Thread 513282143

What the fuck

Finally. Please at last!

>>513282143 (OP)
So no progress made. What a deal maker.

>>513282143 (OP)
>Russia attacks because of NATO expansion
>jewish american golems claim Russia allows NATO expansion

Americans need to be exterminated, really, much like the jews but americans are far more stupid than jews

>>513283091
And people like you who worship a pedo are the smart ones?
Is that why your home countries are shitholes?

>>513283227
Big talk considering Afghanistan.

I'm waiting for Killary to give Trump the peace prize.

>>513283407
Muslims made Afghanistan into the shithole it is.
Look at pictures of it from the 70's you uneducated animal.

>>513283227
>who worship a pedo
he worships trump?

>>513282143 (OP)
Putin cant take an offer like that and stay in power. I'm calling bullshit

>>513283510
Memeflaggots dont get an opinion.

TACO

>>513283495
Sore loser.

>>513282143 (OP)
fake

>>513283694
What?
Fucking zoomers simply shouldnt be on here they're too stupid to even argue.

>>513283567

How many years has he left to live?
I assume at this point he realizes that if he doesn't solve it somehow, he won't be able to ever sail his 700m yacht ever again. Not to mention that all the Oligarchs, friends and family are on his ass as well. They want to party in Italy or the South of France. Life has been difficult for them as of late.

>>513282422
Nobel Please Prize in the bag

>>513284056
I think he cares about reuniting the USSR more than sailing on a boat.

>>513283091
>Russia attacks because of NATO expansion
The zigger mind can bend over backwards to excuse its invasions. You HIVans invade everyone who isn't in NATO. How come your most relaxed border troops are around NATO countries? Almost as if you are using it as yet another excuse to try and conquer other nations.

>>513282143 (OP)
Russia wants a warm water port. Simple as. Thats what this whole thing is about.
They'll trade NATO at their door for it now that they know NATO is toothless.

>>513282143 (OP)
lmao
never gonna happen.
meanwhile,

>>513283826
You meant Iran, right? Not afghanistan? About the "look at pictures in the 70s of women wearing pants, obviously it was better in the 70s". Is that ehat you meant?

>>513282143 (OP)
Ya this is a horrible deal for Putin. He won't accept.

You can NOT enter into a 'no war' clause when Jews are involwed. They will just invade you and expect you not to fight back.

>>513284155
fuck no those hacks will die before they every give it to the orange kike

they gave it to a literal niggerfaggot for no reason, and had to fire their president to save fave afterward. its basically a cracker jack box prize

>>513282143 (OP)
Putin will never agree to this because despite all of the smugness from vatniks and chuggies, this would be an effective defeat for russia
>million casualties
>military decimated
>got two shithole regions out of it
>will NEVER EVER be allowed to chimp out for the foreseeable future
>now you're also at risk of losing belarus because if ukraine can do it, why can't we

>>513284877
>losing belarus because if ukraine can do it
Can do what?! Turn your own country in ruins?! I doubt what they so stupid.

>>513284256
Lol why will him want your sorry ass?

>>513283091
It will never not be funny that the average russian/vatnik can't comprehend the concept of consent. The entirety of eastern europe fled westward. Nobody wanted to stay in russias sphere of influence because it had absolutely nothing to offer. Nato didn't expand militarily but by it's members joining.

>>513284877
Apparently Witkoff said Russia had agreed to this on CNN. Then again Witkoff is a known retard so anything could happen.

>>513284877
Alaskan resources will be given in exchange, china is quietly part of the discussion as well

Most of this is just finding a good optically correct way to have the media present it

>>513282143 (OP)
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE
No more fucking wars

>>513284877
>>will NEVER EVER be allowed to chimp out for the foreseeable future

As i know they don't even want start anything on first place. They was forced to.

>>513285048
Also doubt anybody in the west or elsewhere would care about Belarus. It's basically already russia.

>>513285312
Give it some time, they might find a way to have Z man pull a Saddam and invade Belarus and have that as a just cause

Maybe it’s all true that Biden provoked the war to cover up the embezzlement he was committing of foreign aid and refused to negotiate. Makes you think

>>513285443
Yeah, but who would care? They are a junior partner to russia and completly dependant on them.

>>513284877
>>will NEVER EVER be allowed to chimp out for the foreseeable future
Why not? Whats stopping them?

>>513285447
Burisma baby!!

>>513284458
>we are considering
isn't there someone he should ask?

>>513283775
>>513284511
One thing that isn't fake, both superpowers suck jewish cock and serve jewish cock, EU also so. This small detail makes everything too difficult to discuss or fully rationalize anything, we can come up with arguments that convey the whole political spectrum and expectations such what is Putin's actions likely to be until you hit the jew bedrock and realize nobody is winning.

>>513282143 (OP)
not going to happen lmao
imagine the shitshow kek

Another hopium grifter thread.

Rino trump

>>513285608
Nothing. They can agree on paper. It doesn't matter. They made offensive wars basically illegal in the last decade so they just claim it's a special operation for the defense of the motherland instead. Sounds like a good deal.

>>513284458
It will be glorious addition to EU i suppose.

>>513282143 (OP)
8th war in 5 months that trumps ended. I’m going to be fucking sick if he don’t win that Nobel piece prize y’all. Andrew Tate or trump should win it, they made me proud of America when all hope was lost. I’m not going to lie when he blasted Iran I was worried but he shut that shit down hella fast, that’s respect. Also how we bouts get NBA youngboy neva lose again album b4 GTA6??? Lmao that’s crazzzy work.

>>513285608
The article five style security guarantees, retard

>>513285170
But when a region doesn't consent to "flee westward", it's because of Russian propaganda and doesn't count, right? :^)

>>513282143 (OP)
That's the fakest shit I've ever heard

>>513285589
Why did anyone care about Kuwait? Babies in incubators. Just say they are havesting childrens organs or somethung for this scene

>>513285962
Name one single instance when this ever happened

>>513282143 (OP)
2 more weeks

>>513282143 (OP)
trumps not the chosen state actor for ending the war if Americas yidmocracy really wants to end the war they started they going have a pres that gives off sissy energy like newsom do it. They want to settle it on the battlefied and see if they can get eurocattle die before pulling to plug entirely.

>>513286141
it would be so funny if the peace deal fails because zelensky does not have a suit.

>>513285896
Anything is possible, Obama was given the Nobel Peace prize and dropped more explosives than all of WW2 I believe.

>>513282143 (OP)
he means our advances near pokrovsk

>>513285256
forgot to put on you memeflag?

>>513285170
Countries can't unilaterally decide to join NATO. NATO expansion requires the consent of all current NATO members. The question naturally arises: why does the United States want to sign military pacts with European backwaters that are irrelevant save for the fact that they just so happen to be near Russia?

>>513285639
>isn't there someone he should ask?
satan?

My thinking:
>Russia keeps Crimea and is allowed to militarize it
>gives up control of land gained during recent conflict and is turned into buffer zone filled with troops from NATO and Russia
>Ukraine given security guarantees and joins EU
>Russia gets expedited trade deals for both the US and Europe to resume trade
If this is true, then this is the big "fuck you China" deal

>>513282143 (OP)
Peace treaties and wars have always a present sense of execution and meaning for the current benefactors of power, they are never meant to last as much as any normie wants to believe it, as much as any history book or politician wants you to crave it.

As a well advised politician, you want the war and the peace in your term, you want to be the fiend and the hero of the people, and putin knows this, he framed it and waited for this, for the retarded woke shit to end while china pulls the underlaying strings of cultural shifting for the proper environment and negotiation settings.

If he doesn't end it, russia will be dust, china will side to the west, and brics will starve.

>>513286309
No.

No way Ukraine will be allowed certain missiles. That’s what this whole thing was about— putting hypersonics 5 minutes from Moscow. I can see getting all the other stuff but no way Putin will allow them that offensive capability.

>>513286438
>NATO
>hypersonics
top kek

>>513283227
Americans also worship a pedophile anon.

>>513286394
>fu China
Can see that for sure. but kind of surprised Russia would do it?

>>513286471
anon if raytheon says they’re hypersonic and change 10x for it while maintaining the exact performance of the older cheaper missiles they would just be ripping of us taxpayers. everyone knows that is the pentagon’s primary function. fraud waste and abuse

>>513285962
Can't recal a single instance of that happening and Nato invading said nation. Don't want to join? Fine. Want to leave? Do it. Same for the EU. Want to leave? Goodbye.

>>513286000
Oil.

>>513282143 (OP)
I really hope the war ends soon, but at the same time, blumpf getting another win pisses me off.

>>513286677
will this refresh your memory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NATO_operations

>>>513282143 (OP)
5 posts 40 likes
looks like a legit and trustworthy source and not a literally who

>>513286758
>another win
I am yet to see at least on win for him

>>513286786
your link directly contradicts your argument, are you retarded by any chance?

>>513286536
Suppressed Russia is what China wants, because it gives them total control over the east. During this conflict Russia has been forced to become a psudeo vassal of China due to being cut off from trade and finance, and China was putting the screws to Russia by demanding all trade to them be at a steep discount. If Russia is able to get a peace deal from this, with most importantly normalization from trade, they can begin to economically reestablish themselves as a sovereign country. This only hurts China as it pulls investment away as China tries to make itself t he king of the East

>>513282143 (OP)
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>513283091
Americans are greedier than jews

>>513285608
words
on paper

>>513283091
Wars over nigger

>>513286925
where exactly the contradiction?
take syria for example..
does not want to be in nato and resists western influence and for no reason at all there is giant war there with americans and israel.

>>513286820
>imposed tariffs on the entire world without anyone retaliating
>got major economic concessions from the EU
>bombed Iran with complete impunity
>currently supporting genocide in Gaza with zero consequences
>brokered peace deal between Armenia and Azerbaijan
A retard like Trump has no business being this successful.

>>513286820
>ends India/Pakistan conflict (both saying he did)
>ends Thailand/Cambodia conflict (both saying he did)
>stops Israel conflict from becoming regional and confineds it to Gaza
>now potentially getting peace or at least a winding-down in Ukraine
Simple fact is that Trump has actually being doing good at least in conflicts

>>513286677
Great! That means the four eastern ukie regions are free to leave Ukraine and join Russia. :^) Such is the concept of consent, after all!
>inb4 noooo that's DIFFERENT and ILLEGAL

Biggest Loser Of All Time

>>513287114
Blame COVID for any tariff "win", only China and the US got out of it with any ability, and China is too retarded to move out of a fully industrial economy into a consumer one. When the US says they won't buy, other countries are forced to kneel, except Japan who actually won die to them already having a large US based auto presence and Trump liking them specifically

>>513283091
assmad pakishit

back to your mud hut shithole

>>513287114
eu is not an independent power.
most of those tarifs backfired like the ones with china and india
all he did is pushed arround his own "allies". More like friends of rome puppet states.
I have no idea how gasa is a win. It contradicts his wanabee peacemaker image.
that peace was there for more than a year - armenians are too weak to do anything about it. Also their government belongs to soros right now.
Iran bombing did not achieve anything at all. There is hardly any proof that it did any dammage. All it did is forced iran to remove magate.

you people have a weird notion of success
those are cheap pr stunts that did a lot of harm or nothing at all

>>513286529
Yes

>>513287159
>>ends India/Pakistan conflict (both saying he did)
>>ends Thailand/Cambodia conflict (both saying he did)
maybe I guess.
inida pakistan never wanted to fight and were looking for a face saving excuse but sure..

I do not know anything about thaliand kombodia unfortunately.

with israel he did nothing.

>>513287427
>entire arguement is "NOOOO DIDN'T COUNT" and "I-IT BACKFIRED" with no proof
ARE all russians this retarded or just muscovites?

Why article 5 in the middle of a war?

>>513287594
but where am I wrong?
those are obvious takes for anyone watching those conflicts play out.

>>513287160
Leaving an alliance/organisation isn't the same as seceeding from a nation state. Otherwhise we could ask northern ireland , scottland and Wales if they would choose to leave the UK in favor of independence and reintegration as sovereign states in the EU.
The UK was free to leave the EU and did. No state would simply accept part of it to seceed simply by the virtue of that territory belonging to said state.

>>513285256
>They was forced to.
putin had a death scare in 2020 and decided to invade a couple months later.

>>513287722
>noooo that's DIFFERENT and ILLEGAL

>>513282143 (OP)
>>513283091
It would clearly be a security guarantee but NOT a NATO membership, which was always Trump's position. It's a good deal. Ukraine gets to feel safe while Russia achieves its objective of not having NATO missile systems in Ukraine.

>>513287687
>obvious take
>"tariff backfired because.... It just did okay!"
>"ignore the lack of retaliation from everyone except Canada and China!"
>"Noooo delegating Israeli conflict to only Gaza when it flared up to regional before doesn't count as a win because..... It just doesn't!"
All your explanation is just sour grapes and goal post moving because you don't want to admit that you are getting outplayed by a pedo steak salesman

>>513283407
what about it?

>>513287836
It's different because those are two different entities, vpntard. Are you approving a secession of Scotland and wales? No? That's what I fucking thought

>>513282143 (OP)
magatards are so goddamn gullible it is insane

>>513288005
It's the only deal Russia can really get. Sweden and findland effectively ARE the missle systems right at russia's doorstep now. Better to just claim Ukraine not being in NATO is a "win" then admit the massive fuck-up now right next to them.

>>513288007
they did backfire.
China, Russia and India all called his bluff and that was a pr disaster for trump.
he had to invent some weak looking compromises to prevent total defeat.

lack of retaliations from the states you control.
what a win.

what did that negotiation achieved exactly?
I watched it closely. He came there and said he want to build a hotel there lmao.
then he sent some big ship that was damaged by desert niggers.
then he said that he could relocate all those people
and then he did 360 and left the negotiations.


those are the questions you should ask.
I do not give a fuck all together.

if you want him to be a winner good for you I guess.

>>513286799
Search up a the article 5 part.

>>513288005
>which was always Trump's position
It kinda wasn't, trump was really hesitant about any kind of security guarantees whatsoever and tried random "we'll invest in you, that's security enough" bullshit first

>>513288153
Russia has always cared more about Ukraine than the Baltics.

>>513287836
Not directly illegal but it's harder for part of a sovereign nation to seceed from it's host nation than for a sovereign state to leave an alliance or union.

>>513288005
russia doesn't actually care about NATO, Putin just wanted a legacy the only way to make it stop is to let him think he won ie give him Donbass or Crimea or whatever

>>513288244
>pr disaster
>"NOOO NEGOTIATIONS DIDN'T COUNT"
Okay so muscovites are retarded them

>>513288290
True, but it was always the eurotards who wanted to try and provoke more war. Now they can virtue signal about being the guarantors of their security.

>>513288347
the meaning was that there were no negotiations.

it was a pr stunt.

because of the fact that all that he does is a pr a pr disaster is a big loss for him.

>>513283632
>TRUMP
>ART OF THE PFFFFFFFLRGLGARBBLLLL

>>513288347
do you want me to explain to you what a real negotiations look like?

>>513288123
>>513283632
>>513288508
>liberals are mad
I voted for this

>>513288535
We know what your negotiations look like: a fucking invasion.

it's so tiresome

>>513283033
Why are you being a faggot.

You need to get over Hillary’s loss.

>>513288535
Let me guess, knowing that you are Russian and retarded, negotiation to you is "ME GET EVERYTHING YUY GET NOTHING OPA"

>>513288571
kek.
hey you have not dealt with hohols before.
that is the only way.

>>513282143 (OP)
>Russia agrees to no further invasion...

pinky promise ?

why would anybody believe retards on x/ twitter

>>513288415
>true, but
Notice how quickly the migatard deflects and starts goalpostshifting

>>513288630
whatever.
silly me thinking you could discuss politics on /pol instead of virtue signaling and letting everyone know in which kike team you are. Because it is not just politics it is a big chunk of your identity.

>>513285170
>surely now that the jews fled Stalin's purges and repeated the same bullshit in the west none of us will flee for greener pastures

ART OF THE DEAL

CAPITULATION OF RUSSIA

IT WORKED

He forgot to mention Putin stepping down and agreeing to go to jail along with Medvedev and Lavrov as part of the deal in his dream. And an influx of immigrants from Africa.

>>513288747
We aren't giving them the guarantees, you eurotards are LOL. keep seething faggot

>>513282143 (OP)
>will never invade anyone ever again
yea it almost sounded plausible at first

>>513282143 (OP)
HE DID IT AGAIN best president ever

>>513288621
Friendly reminder that Trump lost 2020, tried to steel the election, failed, and has been crying about it since.

DADDYS HOME EUROTARDS

>>513288832
>>513288717
*NO FURTHER INVASIONS
>*westward, southward when time comes

>>513288800
Oh making up new headcanon I see

>>513288937
that's why we made 2024 too big to rig and he won the popular vote too.
you're going to pay the tariffs leaf

>>513288937
The he came back in 2024 and won easily while Canadians seethe and cope like the inferior subhuman they are

All the young slavs died for what exactly?

>>513288832
>will never invade anyone ever again
yea fake shit
that would be admitting that russia ever invaded someone before

>>513288800
Trump flat out said we are giving guarantees. It is the only way Ukraine would accept peace that isn't total victory

>>513284458
They're already draining the EU's resources. Might as well join the family with the other Eastern European leeches.

>>513288655
No, it's the only way Russia can exist in the world. The reason why Russia is threatened by NATO is because it can't invade a NATO country without reprisal. If Russia can't use the threat of invasion to get what it wants, it has to "lower" itself to negotiation in good faith. This is called "nigger diplomacy." You say "give me what I want or I'll kill you" at gunpoint. To your credit, we have elected a daddy's money rich kid who agrees with your approach from the position of someone who has never struggled in his life.

It should be immediately apparent why Putin handles him so easily: Putin is everything Trump wishes he was, but Putin was not born into anything. He worked his way up the most cutthroat organization of his time. Putin actually won the climb up the ladder, through backstabbing and power consolidation and the kind of pure politics of power which Trump naively admires.

This is all such a fucking disaster. All Trump had to do was push it off on Rubio and Russia was FUCKED five ways to Friday. Isolated, trapped in a war it wouldn't be able to win if we just kept on sending Ukraine Cold War era shit we literally had lying around. Instead, Trump decided that Russia is big and strong and that it should win.

It makes no sense and revives the whole Krasnov angle.

>>513289062
you and russia already gave them guarantees in 94

>>513288778
Yet the west was the greener pasture and Russia wasn't able to replicate the progress of former eastblock states "Jongferstech".

>>513284476
Afghanistan, too.

>>513286331
>The question naturally arises: why does the United States want to sign military pacts with European backwaters that are irrelevant save for the fact that they just so happen to be near Russia?
The answer naturally arises that it is to deter Russia from invading them, as you are doing currently.

>>513289062
>we are
As in NATO countries.
>>513288974
The weapons going to Ukraine now are being bought by YOU europeans and given to Ukraine for free. You're going to step up and your assignment is security guarantees to Ukraine to make them feel better.
The war is over. The NWO attempt to make a European theater of WW3 has failed.

>>513289029
You have to understand the mindset of losers that accept peace
>"YUY SEE IVAN, SENT MILLIONS OF OUR OWN TO DIE TO STOP UKRAINE FROM GENOCIDING RUSSIANS, WE DEFINITELY DIDN'T WANT TO CONQUER UKRAINE AND GOT SHIT STOMPED, WE WERE THE ONES TO WIN AND THEY BEGGED US TO STOP"
That is what they will tell their children

>>513289029
Clout.

>>513289081
>No, it's the only way Russia can exist in the world. The reason why Russia is threatened by NATO is because it can't invade a NATO country without reprisal. If Russia can't use the threat of invasion to get what it wants, it has to "lower" itself to negotiation in good faith. This is called "nigger diplomacy." You say "give me what I want or I'll kill you" at gunpoint.
Welcome to how the entire world worked until... well until now, because the illusion of any kind of peace was only enforced by nuclear weapons, or in other words, "do what we want or we'll kill you." There was never anything else happening, anywhere.

>>513286331
Yes, because it keeps war LIKE THE ONE UKRAINE IS FIGHTING RIGHT NOW from happening. This is a century-long project of preventing further Russian aggression which Trump is so blithely dismantling. The part that hurts is that it seems to be simply because Trump holds a grudge against Ukraine for not sending him more pictures of Hunter's big, veiny cock... and because he has a personal affinity for Putin. It's all so blindingly retarded.

>>513289081
>claims Russia is doing nigger diplomacy
>angry Trump isn't doing nigger diplomacy
Turn off your vpn

>>513289081
sorry i couldn't hear you with putins dick firmly lodged in your throat

>>513289110
As much as Russia loves to break agreements, sadly Budapest was pretty toothless in retrospect. Basically the penalty for breaking the agreement was zero, and there was no legally mandated reaction from other countries either.
From the sounds of it, this one will be a de facto mini nato alliance between EU + US + Ukraine with some article five style clause thrown in. Probably also directly stationing of coalition troops

>>513289265
>Welcome to how the entire world worked until...
... until we set up a world order in which disagreements could be settled according to a set of rules which are backed by consensus first and military force second. There's a reason why you didn't finish that sentence.

>>513284259
Based! We are EU citizens with modern thinking!

Meanwhile Germans see you lower than a nigger, Kill yourself faggot

>>513282143 (OP)
>source my dreams

>>513289313
When someone introduces force, only force will suffice in response.

>>513289029
The neoliberal world order wanted to start WW3 to kill millions of white western men so their great replacement would've been quicker and easier. They failed.

>>513289635
Your "world order" is enforced solely through nuclear weapons and the threat of first world military power. There isn't anything else holding it up, you realize that right? If the countries in control of it couldn't follow through on anything, then why would anyone do what they want? Are you retarded? Are countries obeying out of the goodness of their hearts?

>>513284877
Always always always German flags being tough guy EU bobbleheads whenever a thread like this pops up. What a worthless coalition of butt fuckers you all are

>>513285175
Much of Alaska land will be given to Putin. US is scared shitless of Russia. Always has been and always will be.
The thing with Russia is a million dead is nothing to them. Russias will die in the 10's of millions in a grinder and no one gives a shit. Putin or the next thug knows this. Always been like this and will always be

>>513289762
You're universalizing a dynamic which doesn't warrant universalization. It is entirely within the bounds of logical validity to enforce a system of rules with force as the final backdrop against people who only understand force. Yes, you are right that sometimes only force is reasonable -- you wouldn't try to stop a mass shooter with harsh words -- but we can absolutely set up a world in which 99% of the time, we can resolve things without military force. It isn't realpolitik you're spouting -- just a naive philosophy of power.

>>513284877
Russians are easily lead cattle people and will gladly believe that they won because they were not all genocided. Putin will tell them that the "special military operation" was to stop Ukrainian warlocks from enacting the 'kill all slavs' spell and Russia succeeded, and that a new day will be chosen to honor the millions who died to stop these warlocks.

>>513284458
fuck.. cancer called eu needs some radiation therapy

>>513289859
>US
>giving any part of Oil-Landia back to russia
Okay turn off the VPN or just kill yourself

>>513282143 (OP)
>Russia goes to war because nato expansion
>decide that it doesn’t matter anymore and goes home


Who ever believes that is a total retard

>>513287560
A wins a win. Stop trying to take away from everything the man has ever done, it’s a tired act.

>>513289972
And Russia will do this again and again and again

>>513283495
>Afghanistan became Muslim after 1970
Imagine being this retarded

>>513289921
No, what you are saying is this:
>We have a world order in which things are resolved without military force
>Also if you don't resolve it this way then we'll use military force and kill you
>Therefore our world order is based on peaceful negotiation and not military force
You're failing to understand that this isn't anything different than what was going on before. You just have a group of nations with a gun to everyone else's head, forcing them to play along. The second the facade crumbles, so does the "world order". Why did the invasion of Ukraine happen, hmm? You have a "world order" don't you? It happened because a crack showed that you wouldn't be able to enforce your rules this time.

>>513290069
Russia will see it as
>we uncovered a secret plot to kill all russians from Ukraine specifically and NATO in their stupidity funded it
>we successfully stopped said plan and contained Ukraine to Ukraine while making NATO pay to rebuild it
>so actually we won OPA! boris, get to digging those millions of graves won't dig themselves for 2 rubles/hour!

>>513284458
>gimme mah-ney

>>513290065
It will happen and even the Gov of Alaska is concerned (rush to get in and beg Trump before the meeting with Putin) Trump will give whatever to Putin

>>513290105
Under Putin I don't know if he would do it again, but after Putin they definitely would. I think if anything Putin will do another hotel falls-flag if he wanted to and just invade Azerbaijan

>>513288621
This guy likes Jews and pedos

>>513290263
>he thinks giving fish oil to Putin as a gift means giving up Alaskan resources to Putin

>>513290367
If you support any country other than the some hunter-gatherer tribe you support jews or pedos unfortunately. After WW2 the world basicslly runs on loans

>>513284458
>considering joining
he is in for a rude surprise on who decides if they are accepted. kek

>>513290201
We were WORKING TOWARDS that world order. I don't give the slightest fuck about your puerile reductio ad absurdum. What you are doing is the equivalent of saying that a steak is pointless because ultimately it's all just a mapping of waves converging into points across time. The basal structure is not useful when we're sitting down to eat a fucking steak, EVEN IF it is, in an absolute sense, true.

If WE ENFORCE WITH STRENGTH a world in which strength is no longer the first-line response... WALLAH, we can live in a world in which force is no longer the first response. This is what we have been working towards. The statement that force is, like, something that totally exists, bro!!! is just not a relevant or interesting statement.

>>513284458
We really dont want these bums into our exclusive club

>>513290304
It doesn't matter what thug is on top it will happen again. But for Putin there is no downside. No uproar from the population and unlimited funds to do whatever he wants thanks to China. You also have over 140 million Russians that know suffering ends with death so they are fine with it.

>>513290533
You can kick out Greece and Spain and they would fit in nicely. Even being a bombed out they could make their money back just with the natural resources they have

>>513282143 (OP)
>Moscow makes concessions on 5 areas in Ukraine
It's not their land to make concessions with. They need to all fuck off back to their retarded shithole of a country.

>>513284877
you are a fucking plague

>>513290622
Putin was never going to have repercussions other than dying from an blood clot. He made Russia into a state where only he can run it and everyone in Russia knows it, there is no real chain of command if he got coup'd, and no one wants to deal with trying to hold Russia together. As I said Putin will just go false-flag himself into Azerbaijan for an probably easier victory and russians will just pretend that the Ukrainian conflict was some 1000d hairbrained scheme to make NATO lose money even though it just funded NATO for the next few decades.

>>513282143 (OP)
There is zero fucking chance period that Putin agreed to allow NATO to grant Ukraine defense obligations. Zero. Not even for concessions of the territory already occupied.

The third bullet shows that the poster knows it's complete nonsense because Russia does not need to "agree" to not invade Ukraine if there is a NATO defense obligation because Russia would be wiped off the map if they attacked Ukraine again in that scenario. Fake news by lying Jews, again. As always.

>>513290533
You already let us, Bulgarians and Romanians join
It's been absolutely fucking over for some time now
You got Balkaners and Balkaners got the horrors of Brussels' unbearable bureaucracy and the petty, bitchy far-left tyranny where our overlords act like a woman insulted over someone not noticing she shortened her hair by half a centimetre
We all got fucked, may as well let Ukraine in and let it all burn down, hell we can invite Russia too, fuck it all

>>513290530
>If WE ENFORCE WITH STRENGTH a world in which strength is no longer the first-line response... WALLAH, we can live in a world in which force is no longer the first response. This is what we have been working towards.
You are fucking clueless. You can say this because you're on the side of the enforcer. Anyone else will only see "Do what we want or we will kill you," because that's the actual intent behind your words. Anything you try to enforce comes with the implicit threat that disobedience will be met with destruction. Don't want a "revolution"? Don't want some "regime change"? Then you better do what we say or you're going to be the next Libya. You can try to enforce this all you want, go ahead, but don't pretend it's actually anything different. And as I said, the moment it became clear that you couldn't follow through on your threats, what do you think happened? It's because your threat was the only thing holding anything up.

>>513282143 (OP)
It's a obviously lie if the deal didn't include lose grounds for Ukraine. Only the most high on propaganda can't see that Putin holds all the cards and Ukies are on the brink of collapse.

The jews and their media apparatus didn't know and didn't want to present the fact that America is a sick faggot dog that can no longer bully the world. Now the real world is creeping its head over the horizon of lies and npcs have to figure out an excuse to why (((their))) side lost to another power that was supposedly a bucket of bolts.

>>513283495
Kill yourself

>>513283091
More stupidER. Idiot.

>>513283227
>And people like you who worship a pedo are the smart ones?
That's MIGA doe

>>513291048
"Lose of ground" is a buffer zone where NATO and Russian troops will be and Russia keeping Crimea. Ukraine proper will turn into a eurolandia state where the people will in time just claim that anyone living in the buffer zone was never really Ukrainian, and Russia will just claim that they definitely didn't want to take over Ukraine

>>513283495
.... You stupid or something? Don't answer that. You political knowledge consists of tweets. Did you know who was responsible for that? Let me give you a clue it wasn't the west. Also no this wasn't good for them either. Having woman stroll around in miniskirts is not a social achievement.

>>513284458
Ukraine will be devoid of people in 5 years if they join the eu

>>513282143 (OP)
Is there a SINGLE proof that this is real? If not, why the fuck are there 200 replies on this post

>>513282143 (OP)
i thought monke had nor capitulated,.but no, he has capitulated. I hope he gets couped before this stab in the back to the front becomes effective.

>>513288985
>>513289008
Remind me, did he get more votes then Biden in 2020? Also what was his margin of victory in his "LANDSLIDE WIN!" compared to every other election? not even in the top 50? Remind me.

>>513291515
bad things tend to be real in this sick world. Sad.

>>513291632
It's mutual capitulation.

>>513291008
>Anything you try to enforce comes with the implicit threat that disobedience will be met with destruction.
Yes, the idea was that if you pursue your national ambitions with force, you will be met with destruction. Congrats, genius, you've understood the point. Where do we go from here?

>>513284476
There were social modernization changes in Afghanistan too. What he left out was this was a long standing projects of the soviets, so not his faggot western overlords which he loves to suck off so much, were the ones making these changes. It was a project to bring them in the sphere of their empire at the time. As the saying goes its a graveyard for empires and now it's America's turn.

>>513291721
And this action
>if you pursue your national ambitions with force, you will be met with destruction
This is our national ambition, it's something that benefits us, and it's something which we are pursuing with force, because we will destroy anyone who doesn't obey us (or at least we would, but we can't anymore). That you can't see that is why you are a clown.

>>513291688
Little Russia is Russia. Any renunciation to that is capitulation. We are talking in civilizational scale here.

>>513291663
>M-MORE VOTES
in 2020, now it's 2024 and those votes mysteriously died causing Trump to win all the battleground states and causing almost every county and district to go red-ward with shifts in Hispanic and young voters red. Cope, seethe, and get your car stolen because your Canadian

>>513291860
Yor side literally tried to stage a coup because they couldn't hand reality. Kys.

>>513291663
you lost leaf

>>513291816
Not all national ambitions are equal. If our ambition is to create a rules-based international order in which competing countries have access to arbitration for disagreements, is that not a good way to avoid war? If another country's national ambition is, e.g., the revanchist reconquest of its former territories according to the desire of an autocrat, would you say that these are equally meritorious ambitions? Or would the national ambition of one country be more effective at preventing widespread death and destruction than the other?

If you were all-powerful, would you say it's best for all peoples on earth if we incentivize war or peace? Do we have a better chance at survival and a general standard of welfare over time if we refrain from war and try to settle our disputes peaceably or if we say "fuck it"?

>>513284458
ukraine are too corrupt to join the EU if EU follow their own rules.

>>513282143 (OP)
won't happen because russia's one big ask is the donbas - ukies would have to leave several cities

>>513292089
>Need the richest man on the planet to win
Lol kys. Why is MAGA trying to redistrict and gerrymander so hard right now? Remind me?

>>513292092
>Not all national ambitions are equal.
They are, actually, because the only thing that matters is force. You can either enforce your ambitions through violence or you can't. That's the only equalizer; nothing else actually matters. A nation's intentions can be 100% noble and pure (lol), but the only thing that determines whether they can be achieved is the amount of killing and violence that nation can inflict on others.

>>513283091
Russian gov plan to turn all russians in holops (aka new north koreans)

They will soon close all global internet access to us.

>>513292384
All things are equal? The deaths of millions of people in war is equal to at least the possibility of their prosperity in peace? Isn't that just nihilism?

>Stay Tuned
No, let me know when it's finished

>>513282143 (OP)
Is Putin stupid? Why is he making another deal with the west? We promised no NATO expansion in the 90s and look how that turned out. The democrats will steal another election and then he'll have to deal with a globalist puppet in charge of the US. Madness.

>>513291829
Ok you watched the Duran but bro you live in Illinois, relax

>>513292539
No, it's not nihilism, I'm only being realistic. The morality of the situation does not act as a determinative factor here. Let's suppose Russia is 100% in the wrong on a moral level, as many here would agree (of course Russia would disagree, but let's ignore that for the sake of argument). If they're 100% in the wrong morally, what does that change? Does that make them stop the invasion? Does it mean they're going to fail? No? It doesn't affect anything. The only thing that determines their success is whether they have the power to carry out their ambitions or not.

>>513282143 (OP)
zelenski will torpedo this one too

>>513292712
Can we see the documents saying "no nato expansion"?

>>513292834
It seems like you're pivoting here from the idea that all national ambitions are equal:
>>513292384
>They are, actually, because the only thing that matters is force
to... something else. I'm not sure you're making a good case for realism here. After all, if we're being realistic, isn't it better that millions of people might survive and prosper in peace than if they die due to an avoidable war? I'm happy to address the rest of your post, but I'm not sure we're quite done with what you just pivoted away from.

>>513292712
>We promised no NATO expansion in the 90s
countries began pleading to join NATO after pic related
Poland was close to being rejected, but our people in the US pulled all the strings and managed to convince them to let us in
and not a minute too soon

>>513283033
The gay little kike Elensky needs to stop being a petty obstinate fuck

>>513293032
>It seems like you're pivoting here from the idea that all national ambitions are equal:
I'm not. I'm speaking on a practical level, and telling you why morality does not factor into that. If you want to talk about the moral level, you can think whatever you want about that. But as I said, whether the actors are moral or not has no effect on whether they succeed, which comes down totally to power.
>After all, if we're being realistic, isn't it better that millions of people might survive and prosper in peace than if they die due to an avoidable war?
Maybe, maybe not. It would depend on who those people are and whether their deaths would be of practical benefit. But looking at it as a moral question, it just doesn't matter to the calculation. Suppose a nation is bent on committing genocide against a particular group. If this is morally wrong, is that going to stop them? They either have the power to achieve it, or an adversary has the power to stop it.

>>513293224
>Elensky
>the collective west
>(((mearsheimer)))
>Galloway

You guys are just the anti NAFO, the inverse NPCs.this website is hopeless as a happening aggregator because you're all too partisan to observe

>>513283091
Literally all countries in NATO except maybe two wanted to be in NATO.

>>513291860
Without Elon hacking the election, none of that would have happened.
And the Senate would be blue.

And it’s possible Elon is pissed off enough to give dems the evidence if they promise him Mars and a pardon and he can also tell them how it was done and catch Republicans if they try to do it again.

Trump blew it big time on Epstein and now everybody knows, not only did he cover it up, but he was guilty of trafficking women also.

You have sunken cost fallacy, but any Christians still supporting Trump know they are no better than the Catholic Church covering up priest abuses for the “greater good”

There is a point that making deals with the devil actually costs you your soul.

The nobody called trump a king saul in 2018 and he would lose his kingdom to Biden.
Then the nobody said Trump went from King Saul to the AC spirit.
Christian churches are 6-7 years behind the prophet, but they will get there too.

>>513292938
Surprised no one has slipped fent into his coke yet

>>513290956
this but unironically, from lisbon to vladivostok, then we can invite america as well cause they rule the EU anyway alongside the 51st state of canada and extend the road all the way to new york

hi, nato here...its true, i'm always expanding, like your moms fat ass and at twice the pace. i do intend one day to gobble up even russia, lol, which will be such a horrible fate for them, because then they can't attack russia or I, nato, will whoop their faggot asses. one day i will expand to swallow the sun and all will be dark. thats right anons, you will be all alone in the cold dark...with niggers.

muhahahahahahahahaha!

>t.evil nafo boogeyman hiding in your slavnigger butthole

>>513293887
>Elon hacking the election
But I was specifically told elections can't be hacked by the Biden admin, what gives?

>>513293887
Trump
>Elon really knows those voting machines and hey look at that I won Pennsylvania!

Elon
>Without me Trump would have lost the election and the Senate would have been 53-47 Democrat.

Be Trump and main stream news.
>uh uh Elon must mean that 150 million he spent, when his money couldn’t even win a Court seat battle in Wisconsin.

Yeah right, 150 million from Elon totally won the election and 4 senate seats.

That’s okay, Biden to this day will tell you he would have beaten Trump.
Trump to this day will tell you no one is angry about the Epstein cover up.
And qtards will tell you they beat the nobody too.

Meanwhile the apocalypse is unfolding.

>>513293456
You say you're "just being realistic," but is it actually realistic to collapse genocide and peace into the same category? If we define "realism" along practical terms, isn't at least taking a stand against genocide within our remit? What principle of "realism" do we violate by admitting that genocide and peace have a real distinction which can be drawn between them?

Art of the kneel.

>>513282143 (OP)
I kneel, I will never be a woman, wow!

>>513284458
Ukraine has never reached even the lowest criteria to even begin consideration for EU membership.

>>513288556
>haha yes im retarded and want to destroy the constitution as long as the libs are mad
>haha yes im retarded how can you tell

>>513294636
>You say you're "just being realistic," but is it actually realistic to collapse genocide and peace into the same category?
They're different things, sure, but the only thing that determines whether one or the other occurs is the amount of force their respective advocates can levy. That's what I'm saying, and I think I've been fairly clear about it. When a nation wants to commit genocide, and it has the power to do it, then it does it.
>If we define "realism" along practical terms, isn't at least taking a stand against genocide within our remit? What principle of "realism" do we violate by admitting that genocide and peace have a real distinction which can be drawn between them?
You can do whatever you want, but so can anyone else. Whether your stand against genocide works will be determined by whether you have the killing power to enforce it.

>>513282143 (OP)
jews mad
trump ended the war
get fucked

the holocaust was fake

>>513285170
>The entirety of eastern europe fled westward. Nobody wanted to stay in
small irrelevant dead countries with no future or perspectives. Let's not blame us for thick deathly gloom swamp called "eastern europe". Anything between Poland and Russia will die a natural death, like some rural village.

>>513283567
>Putin cant take an offer like that and stay in power. I'm calling bullshit
This is 100% true, Putin took that deal and the Russian Security apparatus would overthrow him.

>>513284476
>women in pants = freedom
The amerimutt mind

>>513282143 (OP)
SAINT TRUMP THE PEACEMAKER

>>513295367
Why are you killing hundred of thousands of your own people to bring those nations back into the fold then?

>>513287098
syria isnt in nato

>>513294105
>can't be hacked
it was 'fortified tho

>>513295838
Why are you provoking the Russians by trying to absorb into the EU?

>>513295838
Huh? I'm playing wow right now, the fuck are you on?

>>513295133
>They're different things, sure
That's not what I'm hearing. What I'm seeing in your argument is that genocide and peace are simply permutations of power. You make a gesture towards whether or not they're "useful" here:
>>513293456
>Maybe, maybe not. It would depend on who those people are and whether their deaths would be of practical benefit.
but your definition of both outcomes is subsumed under the implicit valuation of "benefit" -- i.e. that power decides. My only point here is that this is not realism. A more "real" viewpoint can acknowledge the UTILITY of power of effectuating these outcomes while also finding cause to establish some kind of substantive judgment on the question of whether or not it is better for there to be genocide or peace. The underlying assumption here is that there exists NO SALIENCE to the question, that it is materially and substantially equivalent to outcomes whether millions die arbitrarily or live.

That is a nihilistic view, and as such, specious. This is low-hanging fruit but, let's be honest... all of them are when you're arguing against nihilism: that your VERY AFFINITY for the viewpoint contains the negation of its central plank in on a very basic basis: the statement that only power matters smuggles in an ex nihilo value; namely, that only power matters.

I can see why you resist nihilism while also expressing its values; if your argument is nihilistic, then the idea that "only power matters" ceases to be an ontological statement on the nature of reality but the very same kind of moral statement you claim power supersedes. At best, it's circular, and as such holds no special logical status save the fact that it isn't explicitly illogical; but as such it makes no useful statements about reality. As such, the idea that only power matters is a moral statement rather than one descriptive of reality and holds no greater truth value than other moral statements.

>>513292435
only then will you achieve true slav purity

>>513295941
Absorb who? Qlso answer the question Olaf.

>>513295968
Low iq retard you know what i mean.

>>513296043
>As such, the idea that only power matters is a moral statement rather than one descriptive of reality and holds no greater truth value than other moral statements.
Just to add, on a personal note: I think a world in which genocide is forbidden is strictly superior in outcomes to one in which it's allowed under "might makes right." As a human being, I would like to continue existing. I wouldn't want a genocide to happen to me or the people I care about. Because I wouldn't want this to happen to me, I wouldn't want it to happen to others. My personal moral value is that death is bad and should be avoided if at all possible. You might disagree, but under my personal moral framework, that would make you something like an "evil fuck."

>>513289066
I work for a chemical company, we are already scouting production sites there. They are the cheapest in Europe and we will get grants for investing in Ukraine.

>>513283567
This. Even if he didn't care about staying in power or even staying alive, he wouldn't take that deal.

>>513296427
If I know what you mean, then how I am a low IQ retard? Anyway, just killed some crabs along the shore, Durotar quests are tedious.

>>513283033
How horrible this is for you
If I were you I would end it now
Do it faggot

>>513296697
You should be ashamed for supporting this invasion. Russians have died, real Russians have died. I don't give a fuck about churka subhumans getting blown up. But ethnic Russians going to Ukraine to kill mostly ethnic Ukrainians is fucked up. I'm saying this as a Russian Belarusian German citizen

>>513296043
Oh no, I'm not being a nihilist. If I wanted to approach this matter from a nihilistic perspective many of the questions involved would be moot to begin with because they rest upon abstractions and reifications that exist solely within the human brain. I'm taking all of these things as given for the sake of conversation and evaluating the situation as it stands in practical terms, in the realm of normal conceptual thought. I'd like to answer a question that I posed earlier, which I think is really the crux of the disagreement you seem to be having with me. I asked this
>Let's suppose Russia is 100% in the wrong on a moral level, as many here would agree (of course Russia would disagree, but let's ignore that for the sake of argument). If they're 100% in the wrong morally, what does that change? Does that make them stop the invasion? Does it mean they're going to fail?
What is your answer? What effect does their moral transgression have upon their actions? I'd like to know, because you seem to be implying that it has one, and that I'm wrong for stating that their actions will only succeed based on their ability to enforce them through violence (without any moral consideration). So please tell me. Perhaps the consideration of this is, in itself, somehow "unclean" to you? Honestly I get that impression.
>>513296458
>I think a world in which genocide is forbidden is strictly superior in outcomes to one in which it's allowed under "might makes right."
Who says it's "allowed"? Maybe you don't even understand what I'm saying. You can "disallow" it all you want, but if someone wants to break your rules and has the power to do it, then they will. Something being "illegal" doesn't stop crimes from being committed, does it?
>that would make you something like an "evil fuck."
Oh no, anyway.

>>513297004
>I'd like to answer a question that I posed earlier
I'd like YOU* to answer a question that I posed earlier

>>513296427
>Absorb who?
Ukraine and every country you can of the former USSR, the EU is encroaching on former Russian territory threatening Russian security.

>>513297002
I'm playing games, though. Might watch some anime with my gf, before bed.

>>513297128
Stop wasting your time on games and start playing Dota

>>513297074
How is Russia being endangered by a different country joining EU?

>>513297282
I don't like moba, that's shit genre.

>>513289029
bongs get raped by pakis for what exactly?

>>513297611
Its a punishment from God for betraying Hitler

>>513289972
You can't just post the real reason for the war in Ukraine on a Taiwanese basket-weaving forum, even if you disguise it as a joke.

>>513296697
Because you think such a pitiful deception would works.
Notice how none of you retards are answering my question.

>>513297004
>Oh no, I'm not being a nihilist
There is no other possible framework from which you can collapse moral concerns into the exercise of power. I've proven that. You may not PERCEIVE yourself to be arguing from a nihilistic framework, but you are. I don't know where the conversation can go unless you at least acknowledge the point on the merits of its rationale. Your stated position is that power is all that matters. This is a descriptive statement which claims by virtue of descriptive power to supersede prescriptive morality. Your attempt to circumvent the issue appealed only weakly to a test of "benefit" you subsumed under your own framework -- textbook begging the question.

Your question is immaterial. I've already addressed it at the very beginning: power exists; it's real. It is a fact of reality that power can effect outcomes on reality. If you subscribe to the idea that power is all that matters, nothing changes if an act is immoral or otherwise. I'm not challenging that and never have been.

My entire point of contention here is your assertion not on the ontological nature of power but in the statement that IT IS ALL THAT MATTERS. This is the descriptive statement which I've been arguing against. It's why I'm identifying your argument as fundamentally nihilistic -- it claims as an ontological fact that power is all that matters. You have been using this thesis over and over again to claim that morality doesn't matter, that everything is relative, and on and on and on.

By doing so, you position yourself above the moral fray. If power is all that matters, you permit yourself to avoid literally infinite complexity in favor of that basic truth. My entire point is that it is not a truth. It is a prescriptive statement which expresses (or smuggles in) your own moral judgment: that power is all that matters. It just wears the clothes of objectivity.

It's "unclean" to me because it's specious reasoning. It is demonstrably false.

>>513297074
Why would they not want to join when russia is acting like a feral nigger? Why are you avoiding my og comment?

>>513298185
That's because you are retarded and ask retarded questions.

>>513283632
ART OF SURRENDER

>>513283567
it doesn't say what the concessions are. Lines will be frozen at worst, Russia are absolutely not giving anything back.

>>513298278
What's retarded about the question?

>>513284458
The EU is just an extension to globohomo elites. Adding Ukraine into the club makes no difference since their president is a puppet to them.

>>513283033
I look like this, and say this

>>513298235
Here's the crux of it again:
>If you subscribe to the idea that power is all that matters, nothing changes if an act is immoral or otherwise.
Nothing changes either way, which is why you can't answer my question about Russia. Russia being literally 100% in the wrong on a moral level would not change anything. The situation would be the same whether morality "matters" or "doesn't matter".

>>513284877
>>will NEVER EVER be allowed to chimp out for the foreseeable future

What makes you say that?

Nothing changes in Russia’s invasion whether morality matters or not -- I’ve already said that. The only thing you’re doing is ducking the critique: your claim that “only power matters” is smuggling in a moral judgment of its own. You haven’t touched that. You’re coping.

>>513285702
Only one good post in this thread? The rest are low IQ posters maneuvering to suck Jewish cock at different angle.

>>513282143 (OP)
We`ll be ok with Ukraine being unter Article 5 of NATO if:
- no NATO bases in Ukraine
- not arming Ukraine own military
- limits to Ukrainian army

Its not "NATO" we care about, as long Nato troops stay in Poland, we ok. We also have zero issues with Ukraine joinin EU (though EU has issues).

Cant promise nott to invade any other country though. If NATO will try to militarize Finland or baltics try to block Kaliningrad - war will be back on menu.

>>513298990
I already stated that I was speaking on a practical and not a moral level. I even created a hypothetical that contained an objective, absolutist moral judgment in order to illustrate that. Feels like you've just decided to latch onto the word "matters" and assume it has moral weight.

>>513298898
Who would they chimp out against?
There's literally only Azerbaijan left, but they are backed by turkey so good luck with that lmfao
Everybody else is in nato, a superpower or so irrelevant they're not worth chimping out over even for Russia

>>513282143 (OP)
Imagine none of this would have ever happened if the rainbow squad didn't try to "call Putin's bluff" like fucking morons

>>513283091
>>Russia attacks because of NATO expansion
retard, russia has shared a border with NATO since 2004. it did not attack those baltic countries
>>jewish american golems claim Russia allows NATO expansion
the remainder of ukraine will join NATO no matter what. because russia invades countries that aren't in NATO. what other guarantee could putin give when he has lied about every other thing?

>>513299232
>low IQ
>pajeet flag
shit yourself to death instead of posting here ever again

>>513297002
I am proud of it, because Russia stood up against evil and shown Good and prevail.

Your crocodile tears about Russian lives are so fake, since you were ok with them being opressed, burned alive, bombed in Donbass or the grim future that consequences of Ukrainian nazis wining and what would await them or Russia in future.

>>513295367
Rest in peace Belarus

>>513282143 (OP)
HOLY SHIT IF TRUE, THE TRUMP IS UNEQUIVOCALLY BASED AGAIN

>>513299728
>. what other guarantee could putin give when he has lied about every other thing?
i love the share hypocrisity of west accusing others of own doing

i am against stop of this war. We should duke it out till the end, since no trust and communication with the wert is possible. Only guarantee of safety for Russia is destroying west capability to do anything in next 100 years.

>>513282143 (OP)
some potential good news

>>513283091
>>Russia attacks because of NATO expansion
You utter fucking dumb retarded shill. You people literally have no concept of history. Here is some advice for you shill KYS!

>>513283091
You shag goats and your countries are seventh century shitholes where a small portion of people who claim lineage to a pedo hold obscene wealth while the rest of you eat the bugs and munch dirt.

Your opinion is worthless, ack-med, and should never be taken seriously.

What kind of faggot as LARP is this GAYTO? It like a bunch of fuckheaded grifting faggots tossing around a hot potato. It's like the french foreign legions, but gayer.
We want no part of this kike ponzi scheme faggotry.

>>513290510
what, the woman with the bird on her head who plays for the jews?
Also Turkey will knock again, the only reason they didn't join yet is some "hurr durr human rights" bullshit

>>513299950
Thats pretty much what russia is doing, >start war
>blame others

>>513283407
Then why not GO THE FUCK BACK, parasite.

>>513286529
No we don't. WTF are you talking about, you bobble-head potato nigger?

>>513300607
Your evil tricks are meaningless before power of Good. Seeth. Squirm. Cope. Nothing will help.

>>513282143 (OP)
Give that man a Nobel already.

>>513283567
>>513295437
>>513296560
>It's unpossible....Orangutan Orange Man cannot negotiate an amazing peace deal!!!!
>It can't be!
KEK, lefty libshit cope is sweet, salty cope!

>>513283632
Broke him again

>>513283033
What have you achieved in the last 3 years? Nothing? Meanwhile trump actually managed to start negotiations between the two parties. I fucking hate smug cunts like you, thousands of ukrainians are dying and you are using their deaths to "own trump" or some retarded shit after your incompetence killed almost a million people.

>>513282143 (OP)
>Russia agrees it will not invade again

lol

lmfao

Poland's next

>>513297337
Ukraine joining the EU would geopolitically realign Ukraine away from Russia so don't play dumb.

>>513283033
Sorry it takes so long to clean up the mess you made?

Maybe stop ruining everything you lefties touch?

>>513282143 (OP)
Good job Trump. I'm impressed.