Thread 513294791

Why would they want a peace deal now when Ukraine is shrinking bit by bit?

>>513294791 (OP)
Why is putin negotiating a peace deal right now?

>>513294791 (OP)
>bombed out fields and farms

>>513294791 (OP)
Remember how in March 2022 Putin offered Ukraine peace? It was like 15 million Ukrainians ago lol

>>513294851
cause he's a cuck

>>513294791 (OP)
They have to get a peace deal eventually.

>>513294791 (OP)
how long did they take for this gains in the gif? 1 year? two years? at this rate they will take another 10 years to capture the donbass

>>513294791 (OP)
Russia are incredibly scared of Kramatorsk. It's going to be ogre warfare.

>>513294791 (OP)
Second fastest army in the world

>>513294791 (OP)
>>513294852
Stinky holes.
Holds, I mean. Stinky holds.

>>513294791 (OP)
To be just straight up given the slyvansk kramatosk line fortified urban belt? That’s one hell of a gift. And then they can just wait for azov to breech the treaty (which will happen in seconds) and then boom invasions back on but this time no urban defensive line prepared across a decade.

>>513294940
Also this.

Papa Joe and Zhukov would have nuked NATO day one. Literally seconds after Miley announced NATO is a party to the conflict. Whereas Putin has had to overturn Russias nuclear doctrine at least four times to stop a nuclear retaliation. Such a cuck.

>>513294791 (OP)
It costs a lot of lives and money for them so if they can get a deal then they'll take it. Westoids are delusional though so no good deal offered.

This is why Trump changed the deadline from 50 days to 10. Ukraine is dunzo.

>>513294927
There are hohols speaking fluent Finnish making tiktoks who escaped this war. Crafty fuckers, doing that in 3 days

>>513294791 (OP)
Who cares? The average person who is not a hohol or zigger never ever cared about this region of the world.
Stop this stupid bullshit.

>>513294791 (OP)
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Beautiful

The president from madagascar should make a peace deal.

>>513295372
Treat them well idk hope they are employed

>>513294791 (OP)
Because if we reach peace deal that will strip Kiev from the ability to steal Ukrainians from the streets. That would would require the EU to send their own people to die if they wish to prolong this conflict, which they hardly are able to do.
We don't want Ukraine, we want their people not being used as unwilling jihadists with the EU enabling that totalitarian genocidal regime. Give Ukraine back to Ukrainian people, they don't want to die, nobody comes to this war willingly there, the EU runs a slave state.

>>513295485
Not caring didn't stop them paying for it. :^)

>>513294791 (OP)
Progress requires that the international community accepts your existence. That’s where Germany fucked up in WWII. Nobody supports your agenda, it gets hard to do business, people keep fucking with you. You eventually fall.

Russia could be a major player if they weren’t so obsessed with expansion. Israel is heading in that direction.

>>513295859
Delusional zigger. Or paid zigger

Either way, you're not getting Ukraine. Pound dirt.

zelenskike will never sign off on a deal that involves giving up territory. he'd be killed by azog or some other kosher nazi paramilitary outfit within 24 hours. there will be no deal. the ukraine will unconditionally surrender and terms will be forced upon it unilaterally. they will lose far more than just the 4 oblasts.

>>513296146
No. When the peace is reached they would have to abolish martial law, open borders and hold elections. Most young people would instantly ran away from that prison of a country. Right now they enslaved their population with the pretext of fighting a war (despite being elected on anti-war promises), abolishing every civil right of Ukrainian men. This would never happen if not for EU bankrolling and enabling the whole thing. The moment the war ends, that regime will collapse, because there will be no more excuse to hold every last Ukrainian male a hostage.

>>513296621
Is this merely projection on your part?

>>513294791 (OP)
They aren't going anywhere. They have been trying to take pokrovsk for going on 2 years now. And this is your answer, right here
https://files.catbox.moe/dm99i3.mp4
We could just supply Ukraine with immense amounts of fiber optic drones, which neither side can stop, for instance. We could give them Tomahawk missiles, to hit Russia further into their territory, in terms of strategic targets. We could give them enough SRBMs and cruise missiles, to thoroughly destroy Russia's hydro carbons industry. We could start a merc pilot program, and give them a couple squadrons of F-16s. We could do a lot. The US has never wanted Ukraine to win. They arm them with just enough to kill shitloads of russians, but not enough to get serious about destroying russia. We could arm them like we do israel. It's a managed war, coordinated at the top, by both sides, for maximum death on both sides.

>>513294791 (OP)
what is happening?
we need spy reports

>>513297053
Our borders are not closed, our citizens are free to travel in any country they wish to.

>>513295297
Get real. We aren't even barely arming them. Their strategic bombing, is done by OWA-UAVs with 25 to 75 kg war heads. They barely use ATACMS/Storm Shadows any more, with the order of magnitude bigger warheads. Those 50 lb warheads could become 500kg missile warheads.We could give them enough missiles to destroy every oil/gas related industrial target within reach of tomahawks or ATACMS.

>>513296621
This seems to more of a Russian problem. Russia needs war as distraction from being part of the ready of the world. North Korea is no different. Freedom is a scary notion to those trying to maintain an iron grip. Wouldn’t you want a nation that could freely trade with others and that a tourist economy existed?

>>513297703

Then you would be at war. Anyway you can keep crying. You can see the L is inevitable at this point.

>>513297223
And Biden admin though that theres 50% chance that Russia will use nukes in this case. Is it exactly worth the risk?

>>513297501
Then why would peace lead to you demise? Surely there might be an exodus of some of the youth, do you blame them? Likewise there would be more trade, a tourist economy and those interested in moving there

>>513296621
>they did the things every country that gets invaded does after we invaded
>and I took that *personally*
Maybe if you cared about your own people instead of performatively caring about others trying to defend against you, you wouldn't be losing 14:1

>>513298001
brain drain is real bad

>>513294791 (OP)
Here's your progress. They will not, and couldn't ever, take a city of any substantial size.

>>513294791 (OP)
forgot picrel.

>>513294791 (OP)
Imagine still being able to drive trucks down to Slovyansk, lmao. Wtf is Russia actually doing?

>>513294982
>Donbas
They haven't even taken Bakhmut Raion yet.

>>513294791 (OP)
There isnt a single town in the new red region
its literally just fields

There are a few questions I have:
All the territory taken is basically flat unfortified areas with no major urban populations. How will they fare against actual urban areas?
Additionally, for how much longer can they sustain this? They took a massive break in March with minimal progress until very recently, probably to rotate mobiks. Based on that, are there any chance they may reach their limit again?

>>513294851
Source for your claim that he is?

>>513299385
Did Allies take any German cities in WW1? Russia may still win the war of attrition

>>513299816
Russians can keep fighting for at least a couple more year

>>513294851
Trump

>>513294791 (OP)
Russians also remain poor and live in some kind of dystopian nightmare society. Nothing to envy that's for sure.

>>513294791 (OP)

Cool, Ivan.

Still don't care about Slav Wars #48324.

Just keep killing each other please. And stop posting on 4chan we don't care.

>>513299816
>All the territory taken is basically flat unfortified areas with no major urban populations. How will they fare against actual urban areas?
Urban warfare leads to higher losses for both in shorter amount of time. Russians want to avoid this.
When these fields excahnge hands in reality there's not hundreds of people holding them but 10-20 people go in on bikes, vehicles or whatever they have.
>Additionally, for how much longer can they sustain this?
Nobody can tell you this for either side.
It's obvious Russia has not collapsed economically and it's also obvious Ukraine still has men to hold the positions. So both sides have been proven wrong for years, until the point one of them doesn't.
>They took a massive break in March with minimal progress until very recently, probably to rotate mobiks
There's really no way for either side to breakthrough. Every grouping up gets seen by satellites.

>>513300006

MI6 over here.

>>513300061
All nafo troons will be sent to the meat grinder

>>513300076
Russia can win if they somehow convince that it's Ze who's dragging the war and Trump shuts down American satellite recon for Ukraine

>>513300149
That's what Russian liberals are saying. They are saying that Russia can either, worst case, fight indefinitely, or, best case, fight at least couple more years

>>513294791 (OP)
They don't. That's why cheeto did that farce of a peace talk in alaska to pretend to his rightoid audience that's he's a strongman and now Putin can I keep stalling till there's a breakthrough ela late WW1.

>>513298139
>every country does this bro
Trying to excuse press-ganging is such a bizarre hill to die on

>>513300203

It’s already over. Just take it and move on.

>>513300203
Trump won't do shit. He got the European coalition breathing down his neck to support Ukraine. Trump was a retard thinking this is Ukraine vs Russia. This is EU vs Russia. Ukraine just happens to be the battlefield. America can afford to lose Ukraine but not EU alliance.

>>513300482
>AI text

>>513300587
>Trump won't do shit. He got the European coalition breathing down his neck to support Ukraine
Yeah I'm sure he's super scared of his croney in Kiev, Stubb, his colonial chief in Germany and uhh...

>>513300169
Makes sense you're living outside of Russia. Anyone with half a brain has left that dump.

>>513300587
Trump raped EU on trade, I don't think he respects them too much now

>>513300587

And what does US need the EU for? Not energy. The EUs about 1600 Mtoe of power each year and generates only 600 Mtoe. Hardly military might.

>>513294851
Because he needs to keep USA in this kike piss process so they don't escalate while he can continue doing what he's doing in Ukraine. Creates an illusion of USA being involved in these meme negotiations. It's a fucking plain simple game both king migger and Monke are playing desu.

>>513300587
Holy Victoria Nuland. How did Swede cucks manage to make themselves believe that this war isn't just a Judeo-Polish plot to destroy Europe?

>bhawttttt Russia is le bad
yes, let them do aids and poverty

>>513300635
>how dare you effortlessly prove me wrong with a 2 second google search

>>513294851
He isn't. He's just stalling so that retard cheeto doesn't escalate.

>>513301530
At the end of the day Ukrainian society accepts the necessity mobilisation, it's viewed as legitimate

>>513294791 (OP)
Putin is playing for time and shitting on Trump's hand. It really is that simple.

>>513297223
Ukraine doesn't have a problem with weapons. Ukraine has a problem with man... so either Germans, Poles or maybe Americans (volunteers) will fight in the trenches.... If you don't get more man, this is coming to an end.

>>513294791 (OP)
14:1 might be the reason

>>513301821
Says who? If that were true why do they even need press gangs?

>>513294791 (OP)
stinky status?

>>513302038

The press gangs were Russian disinformation for two years remember. Now they are normal and in line with “European Values”.

>>513294791 (OP)
Because its not that impressive when you realize pic rel took a year and 100k+ dead ruskies.

>>513302300
It is impressive when you consider Ukraine is the second strongest military in Europe dullard. It's not one of those meme wars where america bombs some shitskins and pretends.

>>513302300

2 million dead. 3 million legless. War is about destroying the enemies military capacity. Then territorial gains follow.

>>513301821
If Ukrainian society accepted that they needed to fight they wouldn't need to be press-ganged, they'd volunteer like the Russians do.

>>513305072
>>513302038
That's retarded, sorry. Noone individually wants to pay taxes but people accept the principle of paying taxes, same here

>>513306089
And who are the people accepting the principle of obligatory mobilisation? Politicians and outside observers like you with no skin in the game?

>>513298919
>1 million dead rusnigerians for this
worth it, i hope russia sends in another 10 million men

>>513306399
Ukrainians who still live in Ukraine do

>>513294791 (OP)
What is the point of expanding the territory of russia when the people who will inhabit it will be various flavous of shitskins?

>>513307411
They are literally being dragged into vans and sent to the front against their will. Ukrainian officials are complaining about more than 100,000 desertions.
https://apnews.com/article/deserters-awol-ukraine-russia-war-def676562552d42bc5d593363c9e5ea0
I can't really see how you can argue that Ukrainian society accepts this, unless you're redefining 'society' to mean something else or you've just decided to ignore all evidence to the contrary.

Russia will be producing 1000 drones a day soon. overwhelming firepower

>>513307886
There's not a single protest against this. There were more protests against the war in Russia than against mobilisation in Ukraine. Democratic state uses police powers, that's just ABC or democracy

>>513308347
Going to a protest against mobilization is like walking into a navy recruiting office with a "Tightest Bussy" shirt on.

>>513294791 (OP)
Thats why ...

>>513294851
Trump made him an offer he couldn’t refuse

>>513301998
Yeah, 14 ukranians per 1 russian is insane, that's why they have to move patches from gunshot wound to another gunshot wound while Russians just chill

>>513309121
Why does ukraine always project it's problems lmao

>>513309969
Even more zigger mental gymnastics.

>>513309121
seems legit

>>513310222
I mean, it was Ukraine who had to move thousands from all around the front to counteroffensiyv while taking retarded casualties to make the Russians do their usual tactical retreat while destroying all the captured fortified ukranian positions in Prokrovsk today

>>513294851
Because he knows Oinkraine/NATO will chimp out and never accept any peace that involves them losing territory. Hohol death will continue until morale improves and, since his will never happen, until the last hohol dies.

>>513294851
he's taken most of what he wants already, so he's trying to figure out terms for exiting the war/shed Russia's situation as a pariah state
I don't think there will actually be a peace deal anytime soon though

>>513310504
Also ... Kiev was feint, right.... riiiiight?

>>513294791 (OP)
Zoom out. Russia went from 1/3 in 2022 to 1/5 in 2025. Russia lost after the 3-Day SMO for Kyiv failed

>>513310814
No, Istanbul peace was the feint, Russia fell for it, anglos are very sneaky you see

>>513294791 (OP)
that might mean that progress is too slow and cost too high - ceasefire would enable them to go back to their most effective weapons - bribes and corruption

>>513311022
So we agree that ziggers are stupid?

>>513311313
Not the military, for sure, their tactics and strategy are excellent, fighting in numerical disadvantage (for most of the war at least) against an enemy with unlimited funds and weapons from the biggest military alliance ever, that right there is the stuff of legends i'd say.

>>513311618
Yes, truly amazing tacticians.

>>513294791 (OP)
They don't. They want to appear to be interested in peace and Ukraine to appear to be the ones against peace.

>>513300061
>dystopian nightmare society

>>513308347
They will be TORTURED IN SBU CELLARS if they would protest. Don't you get what Ukraine is?

>>513313051
Im so confused ...

>>513314544
These ones got administrative fines and set free.
Meanwhile, hohols are getting pressganged into slavery.

>>513315070
You mean .. that the children .. that were detained .... only got administrative fines... Reality is stranger than fiction .. indeed. Well, i guess it could be worse.

Russia doesnt want a peace deal, it wants a deal. They'll get a deal, but it will have cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

>>513315306
Parents got the fines. The parents who dragged children with them to protest. Should've police sent them home alone?
Meanwhile, hohols get nice visits like these.

>>513315070
ZOV

>>513315868
getting ready for the front
ruZZian special training
ZOV

>>513313051
the beatings will continue until morale improves

>>513300587
>Implying EU was not against the war since 2014 and it was Amerimutts who pushed for it
>Implying Trump respects the EU
Did you got hit over the head with giant dildo or something?