Thread 513310294

No wonder the lunch was cancelled.

>>513310294 (OP)
Rubio already said the part about giving the whole 4 oblasts to russia, isn't happening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4OtNgw7SDw&t=100s

>>513310981
Yeah no shit it isn't happening. Imagine agreeing to that if you're Ukraine.

Based on the fact that Russia has taken a quarter of Ukraine in the last three years, it will take at most nine more years to take the rest of the ENTIRE Ukraine.

>>513311390
Zelensky is a puppet, he isn't in charge at all. You'll see lol.

>>513312368
The war has been going on since 2014 dear.

>>513310294 (OP)
They are eventually going to have to accept that deal unless they can destroy the russian military which they cant do, they probably should have accepted the deal desu since there is no clear path to victory for them

>>513310294 (OP)

That entier MOD account is pure cope.

Russia is collapsing.
Ukie offensive is winning.
Tanks are being used by Ukies to win.
Ukies are regaining territory.
Russians are retreating.

All bollocks and cope. Ukraine has lost this war even if Russia has not quite yet won it.

Ukraine is a country between great powers, as such it only has the sovereignty those great powers afford it. Boris saw political opportunity in backing Ukraine, and in underwriting ALL THEIR DEBT with the IMF so that private sector lenders could also lend. Ever wonder why ordinary people in the UK dont get to make a FUCKING FORTUNE off of their war bonds? Yeah it's a real head scratcher.

Also 77th Brigade are in this thread.

>>513313250
No need to accept any deal. If Russia wants that territory, they can take it by force.
>>513313746
tl;dr

>>513310294 (OP)
So Russia only has 250k dead after 3 years?

>>513310294 (OP)
>In 2023 the Pentagon called British intelligence unreliable and out of date

>>513310981
I swear most of US politicians they show on tv are nowhere near as well spoken and sharp-minded.
Or maybe it's just the impression one gets after years of watching Biden, Kamala and that tiny dei monkey that replaced Psaki.

>>513310294 (OP)
"Illegal invasion"
Literally I read that and the rest can be thrown in the trash.

People that think Russia is in the wrong
>feds
>gore posters
People who think Russia has a reason for allies near their borders
>anime posters
>Ron Paul
>me

>>513313250
Did u even see chart? Russians havent reclaimed half the territory theyve lost since the 2nd month. This shits cringe and sending (semi)whites to the slaughterhouse. This ends in nukes are putin bowing out

>>513314259
No one is illegal in stolen land amirite?

>>513314071
He used to say the exact opposite about Russia, than he says now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKndX_kOPDY

>>513313976
Its a million killed or MIA

>>513313746
Tell me .. how did this mentality hold vs afghanistan

>illegal invasion
Such a stupid phrase lol.
Besides, who gives a shit about the yuropeon's interpretation of things, we all know they're spitefully skewed retards over there.

>>513313976
1 million and ur dumb if u dont think thats possible

>>513310294 (OP)
Russia had over 8 million military personnel deaths in WWII (to say nothing of the civilian deaths).
they dont care about the comparisons to size of claims gained, only goals completed.
~3 million total deaths for their goal probably is ok to them.

>>513310294 (OP)
>maximalist demand of 4 oblasts
This is a minimalist demand. A maximalist demand would be wll of the oblasts

>>513314910
I accidentally didnt see i double posted on the numbers, but this 100%. Ignoring even modern history. Russia has never used any tactic beyond overwhelming with bodies. The chart shows NATO's defense systems cant be flooded by Putin's invasion. You dont lose 7% of territory, spend 2 years having not reclaimed it, and still say youre winning

>>513314910
Imagine comparing the Soviet Union during WW2 (which btw was on the side of the US and UK and was directly supported by them) to modern russia
The only thing they have in common is that the people living there are brainwashed cattle for jewish interests

>>513314910
Russia needs land way more than they need Russians. They're a small country with a very high birth rate, so it makes sense right?

>>513315006
The oblasts create the chokepoint to europe he wants and thinks its okay to send a million men just out of teengerhood to die to see it done.

>>513313922
Checked, sure if they want a lot more people to die and more infrastructure to be destroyed and then lose, doesn't seem like a good idea to me
>>513314570
The chart doesn't matter, Ukraine doesn't have a path to victory, they either accept the deal now or accept the deal later with more destruction imo

>>513315232
LOL okay 2 more weeks

>>513310294 (OP)
MI6 sucking too much brown cock as usual

>>513315232
>accept the deal later with more destruction imo
So? Why surrender intact cities to Russia instead of rubble full of Russian corpses?

>>513315372
Why is it always gay interracial sex analogies?

>>513314652
Lol
Lmao even

>>513315372
Yet they correctly predicted the invasion of ukraine while you were in full denial

>>513315455
Russians just rot away into fertilizer and animal food.

>>513315215
Russia compares itself to its soviet era.
and im talking Russian mentality, both of the people and government.
them not being similar states or having backing means little to them, only how much they're willing to sacrifice for whatever goal they currently have.

>>513315217
resources and geopolitical positioning, not 'land'.
thats like saying taking the sahara desert is the same thing as taking inner mongolia.

>>513315455
nice source muhammed

>>513315518
They predicted it would happen in march 2021 too, and then nothing happened

>>513315270
2 weeks or 2 years they outcome will be the same, Ukraine does not have the capability to destroy the russian military

>>513315584
Hahaha they're exchanges you retarded nigger, the numbers are publicly announced by both sides

>>513315571
>and im talking Russian mentality, both of the people and government.
Then why aren't they making any children and importing millions of shitskins instead?
Why isn't Putin using the mobilisation if they are diehard patriots ready to die?
>>513315594
>>513315662
Nope they didn't muhammed
> the numbers are publicly announced by both sides
may I see them?

>>513315571
>resources
Yeah. Russia doesn't have enough resources to dig out of the ground. Once they have more of that they won't be a poor shithole anymore.

>>513310294 (OP)
>1,060,000 casualties
Do these retards in "intelligence" even read History? The USSR lost like 20 million people in 4 years during WW2 lol, Russians DGAF

>>513315891
It's based how little they don't care about each other. White chinese just like de Custine said they were 200 years ago.

>>513315974
It's effective though you must admit. During GWOT, every time 1 canadian soldier got KIA, there was like this big thing on the news about it lmao. I for one can't wait to see CAFaggots getting their limbs blown off in Latvia when the Russians go to take the Baltics lol

>>513315732
>I'm too much of a braindead nigger to use google

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-repatriates-bodies-of-1-212-fallen-soldiers/
https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-repatriates-bodies-of-1-200-citizens-in-latest-swap-with-russia/
https://kyivindependent.com/another-1-200-fallen-ukrainians-return-home/
https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-receives-1-245-bodies-of-fallen-soldiers-citizens-concluding-istanbul-repatriation-deal/
https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-repatriates-1-000-bodies-under-istanbul-agreement-with-russia-07-2025/

>>513315732
you're making alot of assumptions there friend.
them passively being overall not caring is way different than being diehard patriots, but till allows the government to continue the war.
birthrates have nothing to do with pro or anti war, basically the whole worlds having that problem its ludicrous to say it has anything to do with the war. hell it seems to have little to do with being pro or anti to your country given just how wide spread that issue is.

>>513315821
they actually dont have some of the resources in eastern ukraine, and certainly not as many easily accessible as there. siberia is sparsely populated for alot of good reasons afterall.
also, yes, the elites will make a good buck off of those resources. no one said any of this was for the benefit of the average russian, you're the one who made that point up.

>>513310294 (OP)
>h-heh stupid ziggers you can't make demands because you're losing STOP MAKING DEMANDS WE SAID YOU'RE LOSING WHY DO YOU REFUSE TO ABIDE BY IT
kek you can tell they are seething so fucking hard. These are the same people that told you Russia would collapse in 2 weeks in February 2022. Now Russia is dictating the terms of the conflict and they are absolutely livid.

>>513316102
>It's effective though you must admit
Oh definitely. Putin himself said that the apathy of Russians and their willingness to suffer the kinds of casualties that would set off a revolution in democratic countries without complain was a major advantage he had. In other countries, the State exists for the sake of the people, but in Russia it is the other way around.

>>513315974

Demographic situation is different today.

>>513316322

meant for
>>513315891

>>513316245
>they actually dont have some of the resources in eastern ukraine,
That's great. Once they have that new stuff to dig out of the ground, they won't be a shithole anymore for sure. No amount of dead russians is too much for whatever is in the ground in eastern Ukraine.

>>513315732
>Then why aren't they making any children and importing millions of shitskins instead?
>tf
>tp

>>513314633
That's alright, more impressive this way actually. The guy's a salesman, speaks of things he doesn't believe in with conviction.

>>513316386
> No amount of dead russians is too much for whatever is in the ground in eastern Ukraine.
well i mean, you can be snarky all you want but the actions of Russia do seem to back up the idea that that is indeed what the Russian government thinks.

>>513316381
Still a drop in the bucket of a nation with 150 million

>>513316545
>the actions of Russia do seem to back up the idea that that is indeed what the Russian government thinks
I know they think that. Putin doesn't care at all how many Russians die because Russians only exist for the sake of Russia, not vice versa.

>>513310294 (OP)
>2 million men in exchange for Ukraine
That's not as bad as I expected. He'll probably just go for it.

>>513316545
>that is indeed what the Russian government thinks
I never thought I'd end up agreeing with the Russians. No amount of dead Russians is too much. Rather, not enough.

>>513316830
>That's not as bad as I expected. He'll probably just go for it.
That million casualties is 11% gain bro, not half the country... And 13 thousand tanks, a few hundred thousand other vehicles and artillery.

>>513316111
Doing some quick math, the latest exchange saw 6,000 ukrainian bodies exchanged for 46 russian ones, a ratio of around 1:130. If the ratio does not get worse, and if every single remaining ukrainian man, woman, and child fight until death, then at most ukraine would be able to kill another 215,000 russians. This is of course a best case scenario, as women, children, and the elderly are nowhere near as combat effective as what ukraine is using now

>>513316991
Again, he'll probably go for it.

>>513316830
No kidding, considering that plenty of Ukrainians would choose not to flee their towns and become refugees, it would even end up being a net positive.

>>513316830
>He'll probably just go for it.
It would remove Russia as a military threat for the next few centuries. Their demographics wouldn't recover.

This is what we call a clusterfuck.

I doubt there will be a 100% peace deal. I doubt there will be any peace at all.
The peace deal regarding land would be that Russia is given the shitty ones, and Ukraine get the ones that are most strategic for the west.

The thing here is that Russia is not only looked as an enemy of Europe, but also The US because of Russias relationship with China.

This deal will involve land swapping yes, but the land that will be given to Russia will be the shittiest ones.
It is also included a Article 5 type agreement that means if Russia fuck up again, they will be taken by NATO. And Russia will not accept that. They have said that shit before. Therfore, there wont be a peace. And its okay because over the years, we will regardless continue to isolate Russia until its dead, and we will go for China as well.

>>513317066
Most Russians simply rot, you retard. Nobody picks them up. The current estimate is 14:1 casualties in favor of Ukraine.
>>513317158
>It would remove Russia as a military threat for the next few centuries.
Cease! My dick can only get so hard! Also, that retarded monkey might actually try to do it, he was trying to become the next Peter the Great by recreating some facsimile of the USSR. Instead, he ruined Russia - its army, its markets, and, worst for a dictator, its reputation.

>>513317158
i mean they have before.
more importantly, even if they cant fix the problem, all they have to do is still have their overall birthrate not collapse worse than the rest of the world, and they'll still even out to being in near enough the same place as they were before.
if the whole world drops to a .4% birthrate(or at least, the general part of the world they see as a rival/threat), Russias still ahead at the end.

that said maybe the reality is a whole heap of countries are fucked and russias just going to be joining the party.

>>513317491
>14:1 casualties in favor of Ukraine

>>513315518
About a week before it happened. It was kind of hard to miss given MI6 was one of the main protagonists.
For the record Ackmed, I thought Russia was stupid to do as it gave the enemies of mankind all the excuse they needed to launch their fury against Russia and whip their sheep up with some moral anger about muh rules based order.

Now I see it as a profound sacrifice Russia has made to free Europe from utter darkness.

>We agree to negotiate
>This means that we agree to listen to the terms of your surrender
>Demands? No, you're actually losing here
Western niggers have been delusional this whole war. Is it all just a ploy to continue the war or have they really gone that mad?

>513310294
>Another /k/ope thread based off of hilariously biased uuukaay intelligence
amazing how they keep bringing up numbers pretending they aren't suffering massive shortages and breakdowns everywhere, lines on a map are all that matter, the non existent men that will soon be gone? Who cares.

>>513310294 (OP)
>According to ukranians
Yeah lmao, might as well trust in whatever the russians are telling, same chance to be accurate.

>>513310294 (OP)
>Based on the rate of Russia's incremental battlefield advances so far in 2025, it would take Russian forces approximately 4.4 more years to gain 100 per cent of the four Ukrainian oblasts' territory.

>>513320404
Why not just continue the war though?

>>513320634
that pictures always wild to me.

>>513320814
You can capture entire useless shithole country, but it won't get recognized by anyone and mi6 will continue with terror attacks and funding nafo. Or u can take usefull piece and cuck everybody by ending war and forcing neutrality on hohols.

>>513321770
>it won't get recognized by anyone
So? What does Russia care about what the West "recognizes"?

>>513310294 (OP)
>Would lead to approximately 1 930 000 dead russians
We need to pump those numbers higher!

>>513321924
European commies use that as an excuse to break every imaginable rule, they themself established. Also their constant barking is very anoying. Hard to do business that way.

>>513322740
What's the answer to the question I asked though?

>>513322801
It's cheaper that way.

>>513321924
Russia wants its frozen assets and SWIFT access back

>>513323006
Why is it cheaper?
>>513323121
Russia still has SWIFT access. And Russian assets wouldn't have been able to be frozen if they were in Russia...but all the money in Russia goes into bank accounts outside of Russia. Why is that do you think?

>>513315455
>ukraine slowly replaces shitty soviet tanks that don't launch their passengers into space and has better survivability
>russia slowly replaces their aging shitty soviet tanks with golf carts
>no bodies to collect because they've all been launched into space
11k more turret tosses becomes a spacefaring superpower kek

>>513315566
don't forget the instant cosmonauts.

>>513323463
>Why is it cheaper?
Who will pay ukrainian debts and deal with remaning hohol population, many of whom was maimed by war, if we take over entire country? Also nato will never shutup about us invading baltics or poland next. Baltics going extinct just fine even without our help.

>>513323893
If any of this was true why was Zelensky frozen out of the negotiations and why are the negotiations happening at all? We didn’t negotiate with Iraq

>>513324238
What does this have to do with the West recognizing Russian annexations? What does Russia care about that? This is what I'm asking you.

>>513311390
Somebody has a lot of faith the drafted 60-year-olds being able to figure out something after the ammo runs out in 60 days.

>>513324571
>the drafted 60-year-olds

>>513315455
That's what happens when one side doesn't care about their fallen

>>513324631
Ukraine ran out of people with Down's Syndrome it seems, unfortunately. Those were my favorite videos.

>>513325389
Apparently easy to find video because I'm not the only one entertained by his childish glee at becoming a mortarman.
https://www.tiktok.com/@mckeeverkamara/video/7369812179966512427?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc

How long would Commander Bone Spurs have lasted at that one? Not longer I would bet.

>>513324631
>Putin doesn't care at all how many Russians die because Russians only exist for the sake of Russia
Yeah, because ukranians can just leave the country

>>513313746
Front lines been effectively frozen for like 3 years. both side have nothing but cope saying the other side will collapse in two weeks

>>513310294 (OP)
Britain owned a third of the globe

>>513321006
History doesn't repeat but it certainly does rhyme

>>513310294 (OP)
>according to Ukraine

>>513310294 (OP)
You fags need to look up what happened during the Korean War. We had over 90% control over Korea when they mounted a counter attack and regained 50% of the country.
War is not predictable nor is it linear.

>>513310294 (OP)
Surely the average Ukkie infantryman must be tired as hell by now, I can't imagine spending years inside a trench and not going insane, at some point it's better to be shot trying to get home than stay another moment in agony.

>>513315455
>airforce
>ukraines defense is air defense
>ignore the meatgrinder on the ground

>>513314570
Do you know what a siege actually is? You starve those inside the castle. Their only hope becomes a final stand.

Ukraine has resupplies coming from across the West. They wont starve, like a siege. They wont eventually lose their artillary, like a siege. Do you know what war of attrition is? Thats the path to victory

>>513310294 (OP)
>confused hooting noises

>>513324635
Even ukraine gives russian soldiers a better funeral.

>>513329402
Do they now? So what acclimation of the US budget was alloted this year as Bidens 2022 budget set by congress is set to run out? Ill let you in on a secret. It's 0%.

>>513310294 (OP)
They are really sore losers.

>>513311390
It's almost over NAFO fag. Ruskies will have all the oblasts and Odessa and the Ukraine regime will collapse.

>>513315566
WOOW That is just horrible! Hopefully the birdy is alright after touching that Vodkanigger

>>513314736
Assuming it ever happened, was the Holocaust even illegal? Turns out: not according to Germany law.

>>513329402
Listen kike, bleeding Ukraine in your proxy war is just another crime you will eventually be gassed for--gassed for real this time.

>>513317491
inflation is only 2.1234%.

>>513310294 (OP)
Idk why Zoglensky hasn't been ack'd yet.

>>513317491
>Ukraine estimates of 400k now popping up dead
>you actually think 5.6 million Russians have been fighting of a 500k to 700k force
Lmao

>>513330237
You lost tranny

>>513310294 (OP)
They of course don't mention the three million refugees that fled from Ukraine to.... RUSSIA!

>>513329867
For it to be illegal it would have to be real.

>>513310294 (OP)
absolutely delusional

>defense intelligence

more like intelligence: 0

>>513330292
>confused by simple math
>take that t-t-tranny!
Lmao

>>513330237
>5.6 million Russians have been fighting of a 500k to 700k force
He probably doesn't understand how rotation works

>>513330435
>thinks you rotate 100% of your forces
Lmao

>>513314380
Tranime is shit and for the retards. Grow up retarded manchild and stay mad, you re only losing ;)

>>513310294 (OP)
Russias goal is not to take territory it is to exhaust military capability of ukraine. What happens when ukraine gathers military host in the the thousands? They get instantly obliterated by russian artillery. 4 years ago it was a completely different story there used to be brigades of several thousand holding places like adhivka and bahkmut.

Eventually it'll come to a point where russians have such a absurd offensive potential America and Europe will have to muster armies by polish border and go in if they want to keep their proxy state.

>>513315600
Remember when the Taliban and North Vietnam destroyed the entire US military?

I mean that's how they won right, the only way you win is by destroying their entire military?

>>513317261
The point is the land is already shitty, part of the point of Ukraine's fighting is to make sure the entire Donbass is destroyed so that even if they do have to turn it over, the entire region will be shit.

So if Ukraine forces Russia to spend another 200k dead and they leave the entire Donbass destroyed, then agree to the deal, Russia will be left in a shithole that not even Russians will want to live in.

That's why Russia tried to go for Sumy and Kharkiv, they're trying to grab some parts of Ukraine that aren't being destroyed by the fighting, but Ukraine just forces them to destroy it anyway.

>>513332159
ukraines not forcing anything the longer the war goes on the worst their fighting capability gets. Russias armaments size keeps growing and ukraines keeps shrinking. You can't force a shitty deal on your opponent when he outguns you 10-1.

>>513332663
Why would Putin want to end the war then?

>>513310981
that land can’t go to Russia because it’s supposed to be backup Israel

>>513334460
Why isn't this backup Israel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast