Thread 513314423

>ukraine settlement seems to be on the table with Russia taking part of the country while nato protects the rest
>i.e. the only possible negotiated settlement which anyone could have predicted three years ago
>/uhg/ and /chug/ are now arguing about who “won” as the war approaches its obvious conclusion
>ziggers in Berlin apartments seething at the idea of only a partial Russian victory
>New York Times is saying Trump has fully gone to Putin’s side now despite having supposedly gotten the guy to agree to nato troops in Ukraine, something he’s always insisted was unacceptable
I’m starting to think everyone following this war is a midwit

>>513314423 (OP)
>war approaches its obvious conclusion
Zelensky stated he isn't going to give up any territory recently, so this war will probably go on a few more years at most till no Ukrainians able to fight are left. Peace talks right now are a nothing burger, maybe Trump made backroom deal with Putin that the public doesn't know about but I doubt it.

>>513314810
He says that, but he can’t be totally ignorant of reality. If the guy honestly expects to take land back at this point then he’s delusional. The sticking point obviously is the areas that Russia “annexed” and doesn’t control, but that’s just haggling over price, you can always find a way to save face in situations like that

>>513315833
>but he can’t be totally ignorant of reality
He is Jewish

Legit what's stopping Russia from recouperating and "liberating" Odessa in a few years time though?

Odessa is on the wrong side of the Dnieper, and was never really on the table in this war. These sorts of hardliners were always going to be disappointed.

>>513314423 (OP)
Ukraine being independent is a win, doesn't matter how much or little russia gets, for russia anything but complete Ukraine's annexation is a defeat. So yes, Ukraine is winning and russia is losing, doesn't matter how many villages or fields they take over.

>>513315949
This

>>513316216
nato troops, which is the main concession Trump got from Putin in Alaska (if Trump is to be believed)

>>513316216
Their utter incompetence would come to mind

>>513314423 (OP)
>agree to nato troops in Ukraine
wasnt the entire point of the war to prevent that very outcome from happening?

>>513316436
The only thing Putin gave Trump are some maps from the 9th century

>>513314423 (OP)
Does this account do nothing besides moaning how every inch of planet earth is disputed Russian land?

>>513314423 (OP)
Russia needs all the coastline and then they will need Romania's coastline too as Russia will need to take back Balkans also so that way it will all be connected

>>513316606
Only if you fell for literal Russian propaganda
>we have to prevent nato expansion at any cost
>what do you mean we have a nato member 50km for our second largest city now? Anyway, who cares

>>513314423 (OP)
>I’m starting to think everyone following this war is a midwit
Well at least you figured it out eventually.

>>513316414
Russia doesn't want the whole of that Jewish run shit hole they will that the parts they need only

>>513317391
>Doesn't need
LMAO

>>513317163
Finland in NATO is not a big issue for Russia, while Ukraine being in NATO is a dagger to its throat. It's pretty easy to understand why, all you need to do is look at the map.

>>513317391
>itz DA JOOOOOOZ

>>513317163
seems like a self fulfilling prophecy for putin doe.

>>513317391
>the parts they need only
they "need" the whole thing, anything less than that is a waste of hundreds of thousands of lives, billions of dollars and 3.5 years

>>513314423 (OP)
>only dumb people care about results, stop paying attention
Retard

>>513315833
>you can always find a way to save face in situations like that

That's the problem: he can't. Ukrainian nationalists are completely deranged and zealous, and will want his blood if he gives up land. He knows this, so he will try to postpone and give false hope as long as possible.

>>513318069
>most geographically educated American
NATO doesnt even need to leave its borders to cripple Russia beyond return now.

>>513318069
>It's pretty easy to understand why, all you need to do is look at the map.
why don't you explain, genius?

>>513318069
You're right, finland being in nato is even worse. It doesn't matters anyway, this is just Putin doing a landgrab

>>513318202
This but unironically

>>513314423 (OP)
Yeah I think if NATO and Ukraine want protection, Russia has to get Odessa and the rest of the Russian parts of Ukraine. Poland is really missing out on an amazing opportunity to take the rest

>>513318633
It's the great european plain issue, like always - when was the last time there was a catastrophic invasion of Russia via Finland? Because someone comes through Ukraine or Belarus every century.