Thread 513330289

IT'S NAFOVER

has Pokrovsk fallen yet or still not?

HE DID IT!!
HE DID IT!!!
TRUMP BROUGHT PEACE TO UKRAINE!!!

>>513330365
It would be part of the deal.

>>513330422
is this really all russia gets? like 20% of ukraine?? holy shit lmao

>>513330501
Yes. As far as I know, this would be the current deal
>Russia gets all it controls of the 4 oblasts and Crimea
>Ukraine would trade the rest of the Donbas for all other territory in Ukraine outside of the 4 oblasts Russia controls
>Russia gets sanction relief and allowed to rejoin international institutions
>Ukraine gets security guarantees but no NATO, EU membership, and funding to rebuild

Yea, it's NAFOVER
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/115047128460078066

>>513330422
HAHA BET IT SUCKS TO BE AZOV RIGHT NOW

>>513330599
this is a perfect deal if they turn it into a north korean situation. god damn putin is fucking retarded.

>>513330680
I still haven't heard anything about a DMZ, but it was thought to be part of it back when Trump had won the 2024 election. No way they'd accept a NATO force patrolling it though. I think it'd need to be a non-NATO western force.

>>513330680
Did he killed a other cia agent?

Or an ukranian, regardless this happens b4 the retards spend time pestering me who sell rare metals

Is it me or the guy with nukes you pieces of shit

>>513330599
Bascially the peace deal Russia offered years ago...
Ukraine lost half it's population for that.

>lose war
>lose territory
have people been born yesterday?
why should ukrorkstan be a special case ?
they started a war against native ethnic groups, they started a civil war against their own people, they started to wage war against a military power, they started to wage war on their own nuclear sites
if, for all of this, they lose 25% of their land, its still too little
north korea and cuba did nothing to nobody in the world and they're the most heavily sanctioned countries in the world

>>513330501
>heh you only won partially and not totally. Bunch of losers lmao.

>>513330818
Well actually Russia offered just the LPR and DPR, just what is in the red line.

>>513330653
This bitch doesn't have a say in that conflict, if he just STFU would be great.

>>513330860
>lost syria
>lost armenia
>lost azerbaijan
>multiple new countries have joined NATO (when putin claims he started the war to stop that from happening)
>lost iran
>only gets 20% of ukraine
>economy in the total shitter and will collapse even further when the war economy stops

yeah... putin won alot...

>>513330934
Zelensky and all the groveling eurotards are coming to the white house tomorrow, he's setting the tone.

>>513330289 (OP)
Who the fuck asked this granny fucker?

>>513330422
Rubio said no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4OtNgw7SDw&t=101s
>>513330501
no. see here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4OtNgw7SDw&t=101s
>>513330599
wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4OtNgw7SDw&t=101s
>>513330654
it's bullshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4OtNgw7SDw&t=101s
>>513330680
Nope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4OtNgw7SDw&t=101s
>>513330783
Nope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4OtNgw7SDw&t=101s
>>513330818
They ain't getting it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4OtNgw7SDw&t=101s
>>513330895
They ain't getting it. And Putin won't accept this. And so, no ceasefire. And then (God willing)
https://files.catbox.moe/dm99i3.mp4

>>513330599
Certainly better than also losing Odessa and the very last resource rich oblast they have, Dnipopetrovsk. This will happen if they don't accept.

Ukraine did well because everyone thought they'll lose very quickly

>>513330860
>If we are victorious in one more battle with the Ukrainians, we shall be utterly ruined.

>>513331057
It's nafover bro.
>>513331106
True, they fought well.
>>513331061
It would've been just within the red line >>513330895
Now it's the entire red area ffs. Ukraine needs to end this war and start rebuilding.

>>513331057
lol Lubio doesn't run anything. Israel ordered Trump to stop funding Ukraine and give everything to Israel

>>513330422
the whole country isnt even blown to hell just the front line areas. Probably only take a decade to rebuild everything. Isnt a bad deal

>>513331043
A waste of time.

>>513330501
>heh, you only accomplished your initial objective while also decimating Western stockpiles and markets in the process.
Total hohol victory, amirite ledditors?

EU powers want a DMZ partolled by NATO (aka the US) alongside Russia. It's a risky one, no benefit to us at all. This ain't the '50s any more. And Russia isn't North Korea which wasn't even a nuclear power at that time.

They are huge pussies so they won't do this without NATO aka the US. And we won't do it under Trump. False flags could start WWIII too easy there. So in this case the answer is, the war will continue and there will be no deal because Zelensky will do what his new bosses in the EU (now that Nuland is unemployed) tell him to do.

Ukraine will be steamrolled.

>>513331021
I'm just as embittered as you. Odessa was a must have, how can Putin stop at this point?

>>513331106
Well yhey wanted NATO and EU membership which they aren't getting. They certainly didn't do well. They gained absolutely nothing.

>>513331054
The kid fucker from the US, I imagine.

>>513330783
a dmz is pointless when russia can zerg through belarus or Sumy.

>>513330846
They aren't getting the 4 regions. Forget about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4OtNgw7SDw&t=101s
The war isn't ending, anyways.
>>513331061
It's bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4OtNgw7SDw&t=101s
They aren't getting the 4 regions, and there isn't going to be a cease fire anyways (God willing)
>>513331158
Nope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4OtNgw7SDw&t=101s
And the war isn't ending anyways, and I will be laughing the who time, as you recieve your
>fell for it again
award.
You're completely retarded if you think Ukraine is going to accept that. And Rubio etates it's fake news. You'll have to try and take it (you can't)

>>513331297
>while also decimating Western stockpiles and markets in the process
lmaoooooo

>>513330422

Yikes, this sets a crazy precedent

Taiwan is next

>>513331267
I genuinely think this is a good deal. I've been saying this would be the deal for months now. I never thought Russia would be able to take Kherson across the river and hold it, nor did they really care about Sumy, Kharkiv, or Zaporizhzia anymore. I thought they'd rush to take the Donbas but if they can trade it for all the other land outside the 4 oblasts and a peace deal, they should take it.
>>513331329
>EU powers want a DMZ partolled by NATO (aka the US) alongside Russia
And it's retarded. I doubt Russia would accept a NATO force on any DMZ. It would have to be a non-NATO force, but I think it should be a western, European non-NATO force.

>>513331248
>the israel worshipper brain

>>513331425
>Taiwan is next
Based can't wait for GPUs to be affordable again

>>513331248
Neat. They aren't getting the 4 eastern regions though. see here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4OtNgw7SDw&t=101s
And I'll be on /chug/, as you receive you
>fell for it again
award
And there will be no cease fire.

>>513331054
Technically he’s a granpa fucker.

>>513331425
HAIL THE TRIUMVIRATE
They'll figure something out

>>513331425
Taiwan will reunite mostly peacefully.

>>513331057
>>513331381
you lost tranny

>>513331381
>You're completely retarded if you think Ukraine
What even is Ukraine?

>>513331352
They will get it, when the democrats take over the POTUS.

>>513331352
They won't get NATO membership but they're already in EU membership talks. I doubt the Russians will care about that desu.

>>513330289 (OP)
Ha ha ha they lost. Death to Ukraine

>>513330289 (OP)
What is this faggot frog babbling about?

>>513331481
> a western, European non-NATO force.
Ask the Pope to send his guard, kek

>>513330289 (OP)
It's always been about security guarantees for Ukraine. Everything else is secondary. This isn't news.

>>513331483
Yup classic Zion Don

>>513330599
So Russia gets everything they wanted, and more, while Ukraine gets nothing and loses all its goals of territory and EU membership.
That's what everyone died for. For the same gains that Russia would have gotten anyway if Ukraine had agreed to diplomacy instead of war. Now they're worse off than before and the country is practically destroyed. Wow.
I can already tell the refrain from NAFOs here on out will be that Russia 'only' got 20% of the country. They'll ignore and deny that Russia was only focusing on that 20% and claim that Russia was trying to take over the whole country, but Ukraine gave them a Phyrric victory for it. That'll be the cope for how badly they get roflstomped.

>>513331481
They won't accept any force on their border. It would be in Poland and Romania and Finland and etc, the NATO border. They don't have to accept it and it'd be stupid to.

NATO rules allow any NATO country to just drive into Ukraine and engage Russia directly. They all seem eager to do it, why don't they? I mean all of them but the US and Hungary and others seem eager.

You know why? Because then when Russia attacks their cities and even bases which NATO uses, it's not Article 5 friendly.

>>513330289 (OP)
>Lord Dildo

>>513331719
They'll get them, just not NATO. Russia has always been concerned with NATO missile systems and armor in Ukraine. They will get a defacto article 5 type thing but not the ability to station NATO troops.
>>513331679
>>513331749
Could be Serbia, Austria, Switzerland, etc. I just think it shouldn't be some non-European force that would patrol a possible DMZ.

>>513330289 (OP)
KEK that's fucking hilarious! Let the fucking jewing begin. This is just a temporary measure to end the war so they can hold elections and get rid of zelensky. Then the new leader will sign the land over for whatever trump asked for. Get reverse burismad faggots

>>513331748
Ukraine can get EU membership, and if you believe the hype Russia did NOT get everything it wanted. Their constitution implies they need to take all of the 4 oblasts, 100% of them. They'll get like 50% of Kherson, 75% of Zaporizhzia, and 100% of the other two.

>>513331483
The entirety of the US military and the country's political leadership is loudly and proudly beholden to the interests of Israel.
It's hard to take seriously anyone who doesn't understand that.

>>513331158
It's all set up for this
https://files.catbox.moe/dm99i3.mp4
When Putin defies Trump, which he will, because he want's the 4 regions, which he can't have.

>>513330365
Stinky status?

>>513331827
>for whatever trump asked for
Trump doesn't give a shit lol, he just wants to stop this from escalating into a world war, and the nobel peace prize.
Just fucking give him the prize already for fucks sake.

>>513331817
NATO is just a talking point for Russia. They don't really care but it plays well with their domestic audience because of decades of fear mongering over NATO.

>>513331413
Agreed, it was pretty fucking hilarious. My personal favorite was watching Leo 2s take their first casualties kek

>>513331943
STINKY WILL NEVER FALL, LONG LIVE STINKY

>>513330289 (OP)
Why would surrendering the lands contradict international law though?

Is there even an international law?
Does it actually say you can’t change the map?

>>513330501
Abo, that's bigger than most EU countries, is the region richest in minerals, it's also the most fertile region and is a land bridge to Crimea.
Only thing missing is Odessa and land connection to Moldova/Transnistria.

>>513331590
>What even is Ukraine
I believe we call that Novorussiya now kek

>>513331352
There's not going to be a cease fire, fell for it again boy. Get real.

>>513330289 (OP)
Its a trick to rush whitoid troops to Ukraine
Russia won't accept it. Macron is a warmongering stooge.

>>513332051
I'm still kind of shocked they never tried for Odessa. It would've involved a naval landing so I guess they didn't because of that?

>>513330501
access to the sea is hugely important to russia

>>513332098
Trump wants peace, the eurotards don't. Trump is meeting with Zelensky and invited the eurotards just so they feel important. They have no real impact on anything.

>>513331933
>he can't have
Who needs to be at the negotiating table again? Everyone involved in these peace talks have Ukraines best interest in mind, short of Zolonksy.

>>513331748
That's what losing a war entails, yes.

>>513331644
It would take them decades to meet the requirements of EU membership and if the commission tried to force it without them meeting these they would face fierce resistance by not just Hungary. tl;dr the EUSSR would break apart, hooray!

>>513330501
you are an embarrassment, yet another clueless redditor who doesn't understand the geopolitical advantage that piece of land provides - for the MSM wont explain it to you.

>>513331644
People forget that Euro membership was why Yanukovych was chased out in 2014. The Euros said that the condition of Ukraine becoming a member was for them to sever most ties with Russia. Although he was initially in agreement, Putin got him to change his mind. Nearly immediately after his pivot back towards Russia, he got chased out. Maybe it makes sense that they join the EU now seeing the bad blood that exists with the Russians.

>>513332040
>Does it actually say you can’t change the map?
Members of the United Nations agreed not to do that.
>Article 2(1)–(5)
>4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

>>513331748
Will western political sabre rattlers face any repercussions for larping as wartime generals

>>513331979
Ohhh you mean the thing he actually literally asked for? Got it

so assuming this deal is accepted
>the entirety of NATO+allies lost to russia
>orange nigger will portray this as some kind of win for America
>everyone knows any security guarantee is worthless as no sensible eurofag is going to die for ukraine
I feel secondhand embarrassment for the elites managing Israel's empire.

>>513332040
It could possibly contradict state law or a constitutional amendment. Same goes for RU negotiations. Either President, in theory, can't just call shots in based on their personal desires if it violates constitutional commandments.

Think of it like Dorgar missle striking Iran without congressional approval. It's technically illegal, but if it's in the best interest of international kikery, they'll let it slide.

>>513332319
kek, consequences are only for those in the trenches brother.

>>513332339
Putin was already buttering him up for it by reiterating that this is "Biden's war" and painting it as something he wouldn't even have dared to try if Trump had been in office. Of course he would've, nothing that matters was different, but now he can say it for no cost.

>>513332171
No he doesn't. He said he wants whitoid soldiers in Ukraine. Russia won't accept it.
Trump BOMBED IRAN.

>>513332062
I agree. I'm just playing along. I don't see why the Russians would let up when Ukraine is on the ropes. Putin going to Alaska was theatre. Putin knew Zelensky would not surrender any land, so Putin can offer concessions that he knows won't be accepted making him look like the reasonable one.

>>513330289 (OP)
nafo sissies, how we holding up?

>>513332214
>>513332255
I genuinely don't care whether Ukraine gets in the EU or not lol, I'm just saying it'd be a part of the agreement. I doubt Russia cares too much.

>>513332473
Sad but true.
They built everyone into a frenzy but now have to walk it all back. This wil turn into a massive gaslighting campaign just like covid lockdown or restriction denials. The disillusionment among the general public gets worse all the time

>>513332819
You're not getting the war you wanted :)
>>513332336
If the elites were smart they'd just give him the prize now, if they don't he'll keep ending all their wars lmfao

>>513332853
Putin was making himself look good so that when whitoids send white boys into Ukraine to die anyway they will look terrible.

>>513330934
sorry volodymyr its over already

>>513330422
Odessa?

>>513332956
It's odessover :(

>>513332927
I agree, we could see it from space, but this morons keep digging in the wrong direction

>>513332925
>keep ending the wars

>>513332925
At this point I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he gets it

>>513332894
They won't walk anything back. There is no other plan.

>>513333106
He'll get it, and there will be a meltdown.
Many such cases.
>>513333075
Israel keeps subverting his peace initiative for Gaza.

>>513330501
cope chinaman

>>513330289 (OP)
I hope all slavs kill each other.

>>513332853
Also gives Trump an out. He "tried" twice at this point to get Ukraine out of this; if they reject it both times he can well and truly wash his hands of it.

>>513330289 (OP)
hello, french here, This mf says everything and its opposite since a very long time, his word has no value

>>513333132
They are going to make up some bullshit about how "ummm acktualy ukraine won ruzzia lost schizo sweetie, you imagined total zigger death being declared by nato, usa&eu politicians"

>>513332894
I'm hoping that this agenda whiplash will be enough to denormify at least a few of the supportcurrentthing.exe normal faggots.

>>513333445
We know frenchbro. We know lol. The european leaders are just silly, Trump wants them here so they can be part of the spectacle, I doubt he cares about their opinions. We like the European people though.

>>513333173
Trump BOMBED IRAN

>>513333009
I jej'd

>>513333554
we bombed Iran and told them we were before so no one got hurt, Iran bombed us and told us before so no one got hurt.
It was performative. Neocons seethed and everyone moved on.

>>513333510
It most definitely will in Europe. Many will be resentful for being lied to by their so called elite leadership

>>513333443
and not receive his coveted "best goy" medal? There's at least three more waves of strongly worded letters and sanctions on the table.

>>513333653
Bro people still don't get it. US and Russia are allies again. Trump reestablished our cooperative relationship with the Russians. Hopefully, though I'm very skeptical, we can bring Russia back to being a European centered power instead of an ally of China.
I doubt it though, but cooperation is always good between powers. The era of neopolitical warmongering is over.
We won.

What will the goreposters do now if peace is declared? They never had it so good

>>513333507
No, they already announced that they are sending whitoid soldiers there. Starmer and the UK defence secretary have literally said it. The only policy is to attack Russia. There is no desire for peace. There never has been. Just look at Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iran, the Minsk accords. All based on lies. Always aggressively attacking other countries.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gxgxl3grgo
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2viZcxtAbtQ
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/08/15/dimz-a15.html

>>513333871
The NAFO shills will go back to shilling US politics.

>>513331267
You're out of your mind, they haven't got the people. Many more ran away then died, and aren't coming back.

>>513332741
I wonder if goycattle and miggers will fall for it
>America and its vassals lost a major proxy war, here's why that's actually a good thing

>>513333626
TRUMP BOMBED IRAN AND MURDERED THEIR GOVERNMENT AGGRESSIVELY AND ILLEGALLY
HE DOESNT WANT PEACE

>>513333947
You're not getting the war you wanted weird little gay kid. It's not our war, it was a Biden pet project.
>>513333984
Trump WILL get a nobel peace prize and you WILL seethe about it.

>>513334019
Yes because only warmongers and terrorists get it. Congratulations.

>>513333542
>We like the European people though.
Literally nobody outside of europe likes europeans.

>>513334019
>you're not getting the war
There already is a war.

>3+3=9, chud!

>>513330289 (OP)
Oh cool, we're back to what's left of Ukraine joining NATO and putting nuclear missile batteries 3 inches from the border between it and Russia.

>>513330289 (OP)
They literally made a DOCUMENTARY about this, and you're on 4chan making threads about it, fucking lol'd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2eV4E596is

>>513334161
see >>513330653
no NATO

>>513334161
Yes keep agitating for ww3 for no fucking reason, mutt. You shouldn't even be there.

>>513334091
>>513334131
>>513334204
Do you genuinely not understand Trump is opposed to WW3, and the neoliberals like Biden and Kamala wanted WW3? It was a big theme of the 2024 election.

>>513333173
Hillary puts it around his neck and he'll endorse hunter Biden for 2028

>>513334194
Ah ok, good. We'll see if it holds up.
>>513334204
You misunderstood. I don't want it to happen. The sooner this war ends the better. I just know how pushy and petty kikes are. You're on /pol/, not /k/.

>>513334276
What everyone missed about that was Hillary said she'd nominate him IF there were NO land concessions by Ukraine, and she knows there will be lol. Just your typical neoliberal slime

>>513330289 (OP)
Just add Ukraine to nafo and freeze the stupid line of battle. There everyone fucking wins and this retard war ends. Why the fuck is this still going on?

>>513330501
Cope and seethe stupid nigger. That eastern region of Ukriane is the most valuable landmass. Also it is the only warm water seaport Russia has in Crimea . You don't know shit and should KYS.

>>513330422
strategically and economically this right here is a boon for russia

>>513334194
Trump: Im ok with NAFO troops in ukriane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJzJAWw9rKo

Why is he ok with that? Why is he antagonising Russia? Why did he put a bounty on a neighbouring country's head?
Because he's a warmonger.

>>513334241
Trump BOMBED IRAN

>>513334339
The sooner NAFO troops enter the war the happier neocons like Trump will be

>>513333907
eu/nato can do nothing without usa say so, remember months ago starmer & macron wanting yank security backstop guarantees but not getting it. they will only move if given the order, they cannot admit vassalage status to the public as it dispels the illusion of sovereignty

>>513334502
Trump was saying as a peacekeeping force, Russia isn't so it wouldn't happen. He's just saying he wouldn't care about a peace keeping force.
If you really think there aren't NATO forces in Ukraine already you're naive.

>>513334565
Trump is a fucking liar that has been arming Ukraine and bombing countries. He doesn't want peace. You can't keep screeching that 1+1=3.

>>513334558
Exactly. The US is telling them to do it. Trump is a warmonger. Every president is.

>>513334019
>America surrendering to Russia prevents WW3!!
Well, I cannot say you're wrong.

>>513334662
you lost weird little gay kid
>>513334726
no our war retard

>>513334558
How come Europe never tries to be the dominant hyper power? It's weird they love being the bitch.

>>513330365
Ukranians "pushed back" in one of their mini Ardennes counter offensiyvs they like so much, Ruskies destroyed everything worth destroying and did a fighting retreat, expect more corpse exchanges with 10k Ukranians for 100 Russians like always, kek

>>513330599
That's the best Ukraine are going to do. These have essentially been Russia's minimum demands all along.

I'm curious about those islands west of Crimea. I can't imagine Russia letting Ukraine keep those.

>>513334752
>not our war
But Gaza is your genocide

>>513334766
Every time the Ukrainians reject a peace offer, it gets worse for them.

>>513334762
It takes moral upper ground not the we hate all the brown people that could defend us

>>513334811
Just like Ukraine, it started under Biden.
Funny, Biden let Israel invade Gaza, invade Syria, invade Lebanon, and bomb Yemen and Iran.

>>513334662
Are you thinking escalation will occur when uniformed western military deploy in peacetime Ukraine, it would be a convenient excuse to continue the war with boots on the ground

>>513334813
The US controls the Ukrainian government. The US has generals leading their military. You are the one rejecting negotiations for them. Boris Johnson even went there to stop a negotiation once. Its a proxy war.

>>513331021
>armenia, roachbeijing
New nafocope dropped

>>513334902
It was biden's proxy war you dense foreigner. it's trump's job to clean it up like everything else

>>513334871
It doesn't matter who started it. What a pitiful defence.
Trump and all Americans are complicit.

>>513331336
Because he's a weak cuck.

>>513334813
I thought that that became clear after Zelensky's disastrous White House visit.

The DMZ being patrolled by the EU and Britain seems like a bad idea.

>>513333940
That's where pajeet and the africans come in.

>>513334955
Of course it matters you braindead TDS foreigner
>>513335017
I've been saying for a while it should be patrolled by non-NATO european forces. Maybe Belarus on the Russia side and Austria or something on the Ukraine side.

>>513334752
>well uhm we didn't want to expand our influence anyway
America lost and no amount of nigger tier saving face politics changes that.

>>513330289 (OP)
zelenski is showing up to the white house with a full deck this time.

>>513334762
Short answer, think of Europe collectively losing ww1 & ww2, with decades of traitorous rulers in the aftermath

>>513335079
>he thinks anyone except neoliberal elites and useful idiots care about ukraine
ok

>>513334877
Russia has promised to attack any NAFO troops there. The plan is to continue the war on the EUs dime. The US can't attack china, Iran and Russia at the same time by themselves.
Its called the division of labour.

>As the United States prioritizes its attention to these threats, European allies must lead from the front.

>Together, we can establish a division of labor that maximizes our comparative advantages in Europe and Pacific respectively.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Speeches/Speech/Article/4064113/opening-remarks-by-secretary-of-defense-pete-hegseth-at-ukraine-defense-contact/

THERE IS NO PROMISE OF PEACE!!!

>>513334458
Russia has turkey to worry about down the line. Hohols are really dumbshit kikes that think theyre gonna stand against that esp now that there defacto enemies

>>513332339
The alternative is Trump pulling a Nixon, just throwing everything they can at Russia, in hopes of either decimating it or justifying the total pull out.

>>513330289 (OP)
expect weak security guarantees to the point that war breaks out again in a few years. we've literally been here before. its all so tiresome

>>513335061
How does it matter when Trump is arming them, denies the genocide is happening and morally defends Satanyahu constantly?
Trump is going to Hell.

>>513335202
We're not. Eurotards are buying shit from us and giving it to Ukraine for free.
Keep seething you weird little gay kid.

>>513335197
Exactly. Its Minsk 3.0
Angela Merkel admitted they never planned to respect the Minsk treaties with Russia and were always attacking and stressing them.

>>513330289 (OP)
Based Trump!

>>513331021
Holy shit! Australia won!

>>513335061
>Europe
>Non NATO
>literally like a few meme countries with no actual military
>Peacekeeping anything
You're a fucking idiot. Might as well say the UN at this point. Either NATO is there, or it's a meme. End of.

>>513334419
If they recognize a military loss of land without a change in it's sovereignty then technically they haven't given it up.

>>513335230
I'm talking about Israel, retard

>>513335290
hey neighbor!
>>513335296
Of course it's a meme did you think I was implying otherwise? I just don't think it should be some random african shithole doing the meme. It should be a european country.

>>513335410
*non-NATO european country

>>513335410
>its a meme that Trump, Hegseth and Starmer supports
You are a paid shill

>>513330501
3-4 years with hundreds of thousands dead only to land grab 10% of another country..
Another win for globohomo

>>513331057
>https://files.catbox.moe/dm99i3.mp4
>DO WHAT I SAY OR I WILL OVERSPEND MY BUDGET FURTHER AND PLUNGE MY NATION INTO ETERNAL DEBT AND ECONOMIC DOOM
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>if you kill yourself you win
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>513335410
So you don't want the war to end. So shut the fuck up.

>>513335475
shut the fuck up groyper no one cares
>>513335496
the war is going to end, you're not getting the world war you wanted :)

>>513335530
It literally won't unless Ukraine is a part of the suicide pact known as NATO. This is objectively fact.

>>513335492
VAT VILL BE ZE NEW WUNDERWAFFE, HANS-KUN???

>>513335496
He has repeated NAFO propaganda all thread. They want us to think the war will stop when they have never stopped illegally attacking other countries.
This cunt is actually claiming Trump wants peace despite bombing Iran and defending Israels genocide for no goddamn reason.

>>513335578
>suicide pact known as NATO
Megakek

>>513335578
Ukraine isn't joining NATO, it's nafover. We've been over this.
>>513335609
you lost groyper

>>513331481
>pic
you know, you can simply go to war
(without a loicense)

>>513334502
>The sooner NAFO troops enter the war the happier neocons like Trump will be
That's what worries me. But looking at the way the US/Israel (same thing) operates, they like to do some kind of cease fire or peace accord or whatever when they get stuck, take a break, rearm, and then violate it or pretend their opponent violated it and go at it again. I'm just not optimistic of this being a long term peace.

>>513335652
Then the war won't end. We've been over this for over a decade at this point stupid faggot.

>>513335530
>no arguments
>starts flailing at fed fuentes randomly
Trump kills kids
Trump bombed Iran
Nobody trusts him on foreign policy. He is a neocon.

>>513330501
The /k/ope has already started...

>>513335728
>>513335729
you are NOT getting the world war you wanted, you can seethe all you want HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>513334955
>april 2019
desperate attempt by trump to prevent the 2020 desaster

>>513335709
There is no long term peace. Hegseth has promised that. They just want to attack China next, a country on the other side of the planet who has never attacked america. Its all about greed and murder.

>>513331057
holy reddit

my guy it’s seriously done

man what the fuck are you people going to do after this ends?

>>513335766
Remember when you glowniggers were spamming that Trump wasn't going to bomb Iran?
Nobody trusts you anymore, zogbot.

>>513335870
You're getting world peace, you can seethe all you want but you're getting it.

>>513335808
The boomers want to attack China. The kikes want the US to go clear out Gaza for them. I'd wager there's boots in Gaza before China. But I agree they're ready to at least pause the Ukraine conflict so they can redirect elsewhere.

>>513335061
British and EU forces on the Russian border sounds dangerous in and of itself, and provides a pathway for Ukraine for create trouble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21QtXjUodsg

>>513330289 (OP)
>>513330422
>had the chance to have democratically-elected friendly ties with Russia
>CIA glowniggers instigate a coup and install Zelesnky
>had the chance to only lose Luhansk and Donetsk to separatists through a democratically-held referendum
>use army to massacre anyone who voices dissent
>had the chance to only lose Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, and Crimea
>declare martial law suspending elections indefinitely, throwing any man you find in meatwagons to be shipped to the front, refusing any and all attempts at negotiation

Can you guess what comes next?

>>513335937
>you're getting world peace
>*bombs Iran, Yemen, Russia and Palestine*
We're not stupid. We have eyes.

>>513336092
>we
>af post
>not a groyper
lol you weird little gay kids now pretend like you're not because you just get mocked. you're so bad at this.

>>513336050
>its dangerous.
Russia has openly said they will attack them. There is no reason to fight Russia.

>>513336066
Uh, slava migraine????

>>513336158
>still bringing up faggot fed fuentes for no reason who I have already called a fed
You lost

>>513336066
>had the chance to only lose Luhansk and Donetsk to separatists
not even, JUST the LPR and DPR which was a smaller part of the total oblasts.

>>513330501

>is this really all america gets? like 20% of britain?? holy shit lmao

>>513330289 (OP)
>(Ukraine)... acknowledges that they have been lost militarily
Part of the negotiation is Ukraine will recognize reality? Just lol

>>513336215
It's groypover :(

>>513330501
Crimea beach party when?

>>513336334
Unironically, yes. Most of the "concessions" are just recognition of reality on the ground.
It's not like Ukraine controls most of that land anyway ffs.

>>513331061
Zelensky is getting murdered by Azov and Right Sector if he gives up now.

>>513336337
Trump is aiding a genocide and denying that its happening. He is going to Hell.

>>513333940
>>513335060
>That's where pajeet and the africans come in.
This guys gets it. Europe can dump all its unwanted migrants in Ukraine. It's a win-win for everyone.

>>513336219
I wonder if any Ukrainians still alive have the introspection to reflect on their retarded decisions and the consequences of their actions.

>>513336066
Nigger and jeet mass immigration?

>>513330289 (OP)
They could've done this 3 years ago but Zelensky desperately NEEDED to kill all of those ukrainian boys, kek

>>513331021
Youre nuts if you think Russia isnt going to cockslap Azerbaboons after they remove the color revolution occupation in Armenia.

Macron admitting Ukraine/NATO lost is shocking. Makes me wonder if Putin promised to stay out of war with Iran.

>>513330599
And Rand McNally makes a billion dollars overnight on orders for new maps.

>>513337566
Azerbaboons heh heh heh

>>513336413
I hope his whole bloodline is slaughtered. I think it will be.

>>513330289 (OP)
(((International law)))

>>513330289 (OP)
I like how we get back and forth stuff on this related to who "won". A deal that allows both sides to claim victory is the perfect ironic ending to this whole ordeal. I love how the World works like a movie nowadays, it is very entertaining.

>>513330289 (OP)
So? As long as the war ends, that's all that matters. After the war ends, the Western world will fortify Ukraine like their own personal castle. There will be critical national interests by 50 different countries implanted in the country itself. At that point, it doesn't even matter if it can't join NATO. Russia cannot touch Ukraine anymore. Russia will continue being a pariah but the poorfucks can bask in their "celebratory victory" parade I guess. And land return can always be negotiated in the future when Russia is possibly not a shithole anymore after Putin is dead.

>>513335609
you dont give 2 shits about gaza. stfu.

>>513331544
He's also french

>>513330392
I hope. Was in cringe, and it's crazy that our country makes weapons so that we can start wars around the world.

>>513335609

Trump genuinely wants peace. If zog wasn't controlling the government, I think the iran strike should be cause for impeachment. but most prefer to just suck israel's dick.

That's a complicated exception, and I think Trump actually does want to make peace, and he has shown this w\ similar mediation in other conflicts... if people weren't so brainwashed against Trump, more would recognize just how different it is to have a president who thinks for themselves and wants to find solutions.

>>513330289 (OP)
mission accomplished!

>>513331609
>They will get it, when the democrats take over the POTUS.
Then the war will start back up again

>>513331054
How does Macron removes his condom?

(By farting.)

>>513330289 (OP)
Haha he gae

>>513330818
The point was to clear out the white natives for israeli resettlement

>>513330289 (OP)
I will have the biggest smirk possible on my face when that rat kike Zelensky has to concede to Russia on live TV, whether it’s now or in one year.

>>513333907
UK soldiers fighting in Ukraine would be brutal, no NATO army is ready for that kind of warfare, imagine your buddies getting blown up by drones right and left.

>>513330783

No way Russia will stand for NATO forces policing a DMZ. No NATO in there at all.

>>513330599
why would Ukraine lose EU membership? I thought Putin only gave a shit about NATO

>>513341768
The EU NATO countries want a Euro army to fight for the EU. It'll be filled with Ukraine army vets as its well trained bloodied core. EU membership = EU army. No such hope.

>>513330501
That 20% of Ukraine is bigger than 90% of the countries in Europe.

>>513330289 (OP)
Where are Macron's nudes already? Did he ever fuck those Africans?

>>513330289 (OP)
>international law
hahaha anyone who appeals to this fake and gay concept cannot be taken seriously.

then again, he's married to a 60 year old troon so

>>513330599
funny part is that this was the russian proposal even prior to maidan essentially

what a fucking waste of life. feel bad for the zigs, no sympathy for hohols, though

>>513330289 (OP)
There should be no fucking security guarantees because that would be like another country overthrowing Mexico and giving it security guarantees against the US. Nonsense and it would literally be used to start the next conflict. Ukraine was overthrown specifically to be used as a weapon against Russia.

>>513330934
NATO is effectively the broader US war machine so if the US says the war is over then it's over. The EU has neither the money nor the manpower to back Ukraine on its own. They can talk a bunch of shit for the boomers that they radicalised over the past three years but the reality is total NATO capitulation.

>>513331057

DEMILITARIZATION AND NEUTRALITY (NEVER TO NATO OR EU) IF YOU WANT PEACE.

YOU ACCEPT AND THERE'S PEACE

YOU DON'T ACCEPT AND THE WAR WILL RAMP UP.

>>513331425
Probably not. China has nothing to gain from an invasion of Taiwan and neither does the West as they have given all of their manufacturing to China. Their relationship with the West is symbiotic and war between the two would be catastrophic for both sides.

>>513330422
This would be a humiliating loss for both sides.
Ukraine loses a good chunk of it's country.
Russia loses a million men for a bunch of minerals.

>>513341706
Not the first time they have done that and not the last

>>513330599
No, that's not the current deal. There is no current deal. You have to offer the Russians a little more than just their own territories. Give them Alaska and there might be a deal.

>>513330289 (OP)
Macron knows Russia will never provide security guarantees because they openly intend to conquer the entirety of Ukraine, not just the eastern most region, so this is purely hypothetical and not actually happening

newest cope in the media is giving up muh fortification belt

>>513330846
History started in 2022 for the current batch of tourists.

>>513330501
The $14T hoard of minerals in Donbas is in that area, anon. That's what this entire conflict is over. FYI the GDP of Ukraine is about $0.2T.

>>513331021
>Australia lost to emus
>Russians are losers
Takes one to know one I guess

>>513331106
They DID lose very quickly. Other countries had to prop them up, and even then Russia got everything it wanted very early on. Don't forget that this entire conflict is over the $14T minerals in Donbas which now belong to Russia.

>>513344762
giga cope
Russia is just the most dogshit military around the Western sphere of influence.

>>513331483
it is how it is, brother. You get your senate clapping for Bibi until their hands fell off. Even when he just accidentally started to cough, you get 99% of your "representants" automatically stand up and clapped like mindless drones kek. It's just unreal how compromised are your politicians. I don't think it ever happened anywhere else, ever. This level of jewish dicksucking i mean.

>>513330846
Ukraine is losing the Donbas minerals you silly sausage. $14T of resources critical for making drones, when the GDP of the entirety of Ukraine is only $0.2T. That's what the conflict was over. And it was started by the US, of course.

>>513331106
they are very good at dying. 2.5 million dead hohols. hundreds to 1 hohol death ratio

>>513344804
yeah and that dogshit military will keep that 20% of ukraine along with everything it has
you won xD

>>513331057
>b-but rubio
oh, well that settles it then. because we know HE is the power behind the curtain. kek.

>>513330289 (OP)
Two more weeks.

>>513330680
Putin is retarded but he literally is running on fumes, he has little choice or face the wrath of the rest of the EU, and then America who is slowly pulling itself together.

its quite literally a nightmare scenario for any world leader he does not have the time to drag this out any longer, the longer it goes the more likely his complete total obliteration because when the US econ finally stabilizes and inflation begins to drop it truly is curtains.

>>513330365
Naaah.
Russians are weak.
They can not defeat Ukrainians.
USSR won the ww2 solely because it had Ukrainians fighting on its side.

>>513330501
Russians are not the Soviets. Russians are weak.

>>513345584
>face the wrath of the rest of the EU
EU can only sanctioon they can't even build arms
> and then America who is slowly pulling itself together.
WW3 is not happening for shitkraine buddy

>>513344048
You keep repeating this shit like a mantra, maybe they just send it anyway and let it be as or more catastrophic for us as it is for them. In one post you laugh at them for killing millions of their own on a retarded whim like ordering the extermination of all the sparrows, in the next you say they'll never do shit because millions of them would starve. Nigger, do you understand who you are talking about?

At least they can cope about the 14:1 ratio. 2 million dead Ukrainians for 28 million dead russians.

>>513331352
>They gained absolutely nothing.
Yeah, keeping 80% of their territory when the Russians were marching on Kiev in March, 2022, is nothing. Retard.

>>513331352
They gained hundreds of thousands of White male corpses, which is what the kike dictator wanted all along. This was his victory condition.

>>513335766
I see the roster is bleak in Langley. You're really not sending your best.

>>513331057

First time being a CIA / State Department linked rebel group?
It's literally standard policy for 70 years, literally rotting fiberglass rifles.
>>513331106
>>513345584
>>513331425

>>513331748
Borris Johnson torpedoed the first deal, speaking in behalf of the CIA. Pic related.

>>513336066
I for one am quite enjoying the "get what you fucking deserve" phase. I just wish all of the Western kikes involved could have their share as well. I'd love to see Nuland hang right along side Zelensky.

>>513345584
>RU is running on fumes!
>RU is out of ammo!
>RU is down to only their shovels!
Pack it up NAFOtroons, it's never been more ogre.

The security agreement for Ukraine must include that if Russia every attacks Ukraine again, militarily or otherwise, this will trigger a full response from NATO. The purpose of this response will be a full military invasion into Russia with the purpose of disarming Russia and rendering them no longer a threat.

>>513330422
Russia finally will be able to install heavenly jerusalem for chabad! Mazel tov!!!!!

>>513330289 (OP)
>Nazis

Russia doesn't even care about Ukraine. Putin meant to conquer Kyiv and force a surrender in that initial 3 day operation in 2022 so that the russian forces could then roll across Ukraine unopposed and enter Slovakia, Hungary and Czechia where the bribed pro-Putin right wing governments would let them in without a fight. From there the russian forces were meant to start encircling Poland and Romania cutting them off from their allies. The one thing that went wrong even before the invasion is that Trump didn't win the elections like planned, but it was too late to back out because eventually the political climate in Slovakia/Hungary/Czechia might reverse. Ukraine basically prevented a third of Europe from falling under direct russian control.

>>513330501
>never needed
Why kidnap people for it then

>>513330289 (OP)
Nigger

>>513332290
That was before Kosovo. We have now agreed that if a people desires independence they can declare it themselves and call on a greater power to bomb the shit out of their mother country to secure it.

>>513333947
wtf I love sending billions to ukraine now

>>513349353
lol is this what eurotards actually believe?

>>513331748
>So Russia gets everything they wanted, and more, while Ukraine gets nothing
Yes, that's generally what happens when side wins a war, they get to dictate the terms of surrender.

>>513349353
I believe 2 things
1) this post glows and was likely a brainchild of some free trial chat bot
2) Russia doesn’t need to assault its biggest gas purchaser, lmao

>>513330392
then its gayliums instead of ww3. whats going on here. welcome our new leather skinned enemies.
>bulletproof
>quantum entangled
>lazer guns
>5000 iq
vs retards like you, its so over.

>>513334502
>Trump BOMBED IRAN
Bunker busters missed their targets while the INTEL knew exactly where the high command was.
This INTEL also wasn't fed to Netanyahu's administration, who'd've surely used it.

>>513349353
Ookies are alright in my books (except for those Jews that pose as ookies).

>>513348884
nah it still need much more for that odessa kiev
without those it can't be installed

>>513330365
kek how do you think
march 2026 the earliest

>>513330289 (OP)
Can we have a referendum if we want to die for Ukraine? Only healthy males between 18-40 get to vote on this btw

>>513330599
EU membership is still on the table, only NATO exclusion for now.

>>513330392
No?