Thread 513338050

Everyone says Jiu jitsu is the best martial art as far as grappling goes for self defence. Is that true or is it a whole lot of marketing? The more I look at it it seems like the Gracie family are just shameless self promoters and now they have the podcast Jews on their side.

To me it seems like Judo and maybe wrestling + boxing or thai boxing would be best. What’s your take anons?

>>513338050 (OP)
depends.
>worth getting a blue belt
yes
>worth progressing past that if you are older than 25 when you start?
nope
>best for self defense
for on the ground self defense, yes. mma will always be the king. you need striking, standup, and ground martial arts skills at a proficient level. but a gun will always be better if you have to fight. conflict resolution is king.

>>513338050 (OP)
Its brazilian monkey nonsense. Look up Wing Chun.

>>513338050 (OP)
Do Gracie Survival Tactics. It’s basically BJJ with a punch block series. Also learn boxing and how to shoot a gun. That’s literally all you need. Do cardio. Workout like 3 times a week. You will be fine anon. The easiest thing to do is just move away from niggers.

>>513338050 (OP)
I've seen decent schools and really dumb schools. It's the latest fad style. Every queer with fucked up ears is claiming to be the baddest guy in the room. Last decade it was Krav Maga. Next thing coming soon.

>>513338050 (OP)
They look like midgets.

>>513339340
I guess they would make the argument that krav doesn’t really have sparring yet bjj emphasizes sparring and therefore gives one a more realistic feel of combat

>>513338050 (OP)
yes, but you need to be strong beforegand and be in great shape, its not for the average normie, more so for the top 10% in everything

best self defense for the average person is a gun

>>513338050 (OP)
Astroturfed gaysport
all of MMA was made as a mega advertisment and endorsment of brown 3rdie retards making BJ(J) look like DA BEST FYTING STYLE EVAR !

BJ(J) is what you should do with a woman in your bedroom and not on a mat with another man while being watched by thousands.

>>513338050 (OP)
If you're gonna fight in the cage, sure
For real life it doesn't matter, you're not gonna grapple if it's more than 1v1, you're gonna trip one and kick them in the throat or temple so you can deal with #2
A single punch is potentially fatal, so all real fights are a threat to your life and should be treated accordingly. Don't try to be above a roflstomping

>>513339340
Krav was never the big thing because it is a meme, there is no comp.
Jiu Jitsu is good because its widely available and easy to find a decent school because of the widely available competition circuit. For the average person BJJ is easier to learn because of this. Judo is cool, but difficult to find a good gym. It's impossible to find a wrestling gym for adults, nor should adults learn wrestling due to neck injury potential. Boxing is for niggers. MMA striking or Muay Thai is what people should look for in order to do striking.
The only thing I see taking it's place is MMA gyms in general. I have seen a growing trend of specialized gyms closing and being absorbed by gyms that teach multiple disciplines.

>>513339088
Why would you look up fake Chinese bullshit that only works on other people who are doing Wing Chun?

Boxing
Kick Boxing
Wrestling
Muay Thai
BJJ

All legit and all part of being a complete fighter. Knowing and live training in one of them will have you dominating 99% of the population if you end up in a confrontation.

If I could start over I would start with a few years of boxing and conditioning with the occasional BJJ and Judo. Then I would go into Karate which I prefer. I would always hang out at the boxing club, kickboxing is fun too. Then after four years of training I'd start checking out all the other techniques for fun and to learn what I'm missing.

After that, I'd probably move to Japan and practice Kudo for the rest of my life if I could.

>>513339497
Braindead. This advice only applies to men who are heavy enough to throw significant punches. For wristlets, women and children they also need to know how to turtle to escape the back control of their would-be rapist and then cripple his legs so they can either run away or choke them out.

>>513339540
Is it true that boxing has better footwork and distance control than muay thai making it better for defending against multiple attackers and other street scenarios? I’ve also heard people say boxing is a lot easier to learn.

If you're young & your body can take the practice room abuse, Folk Wrestle & learn a few BJJ sweeps & subs.

If you're not in HS but still feel young, do BJJ via an MMA nogi focused gym, you usually get some Muay Thai striking at no extra charge.

If you're in mid 30+ a sport BJJ gi focused school that's a little slower & easier on the body but still keeps you in shape & gives you some skills.

For self defense: GET A PISTOL.

>>513338050 (OP)
The answer usually ends up being boxing + some training to check kicks. Do what you enjoy though. Anyone who works hard enough to study a martial art isn’t realistically ever going to be dumb enough to get into a fair fight.

>>513338050 (OP)
Grappling is grappling. Judo, wrestling and jiujitsu are skillsets of grappling. The Gracie family are a bunch of shills now but they did prove a name for themselves. Any BJJ gym worth a shit doesn't adhere to the Gracie method strictly. That being said, if you really want to learn how to fight it is a combination of striking and grappling. Always has been, always will be. Personally I have a few years of boxing and almost a decade of grappling experience.

>>513339728
Yes and no. Boxing has those against trad MT. But MT has been rapidly evolving due to the implementation of 4oz gloves. Modern Muay Thai is basically MMA w/o ground grappling. So you learn trips, sweeps and clinching in addition to striking. You can primarily box as a MT fighter, there are a bunch of styles. Kicks are also insanely OP against untrained opponents. The only time I have ever been in a fight outside of a gym/ring I was able to win after getting sucked punched because I threw low kicks until the guy was apologizing on the ground.
Boxing gyms also suck because it's a nigger tier sport. The way boxing gyms spar leads to serious brain damage. Whereas (good) MT and MMA gyms that are good have a team culture of working together to get better.

>>513338050 (OP)
it's probably the gayest activity you can do with another man outside of gay sex

>>513340105
Thanks for the breakdown anon. I would have thought Muay Thai sparring would be just as dangerous for head trauma…

So if you had limited time would you say 6 months or so of bjj or judo plus 6 months of Muay Thai is sufficient for self defence provided the individual is athletic and strong enough ?

>>513338050 (OP)
If you are at striking range it's always better to just run away for defense. But if you are already getting grabbed, you don't have a choice but to know how to grapple to escape.
Now for _offense_ striking is better, and anyone who tries to persuade you that they are doing it for defense, are just looking for excuses to use it against weaklings.

>>513340322
MT sparring is less dangerous for two primary reasons. The culture of MT sparring is much more relaxed, it's treated like that more than a fight. So it is uncommon at (good) gyms for your sparring partner to try and knock you out. Secondly due to kicks and clinching being part of MT the overall volume of hits are spread out across the body. Boxing is much more head hunting focused, while you do use body shots. Mostly people aim for the head.
If I could only choose one to spend 6 months on it would be MT. Fights all start on your feet. MT has striking and standup grappling. If you are strong, clinching is OP. 6 months is not long enough to get to BJJ blue belt unless you went like 8 times a week to a gym. Judo takes a long time at most gyms, because Olympic judo is the standard in most gyms. Physical judo training takes a long time for most people and they teach both the physical and academic side of judo so it takes a lot of time.

Astroturfed. Rogan and his cultists think it’s a panacea. It’s just a hobby sport like anything else.

>>513340322
6 months of BJJ will be useful but you'll be severely limited and probably overestimate yourself. 6 months of striking would be much more valuable. Takes like 5-10 years to get a BJJ black belt for reason, most of your advancement beyond basic tech is based on 'feel' for what works which take a lot of time.

>>513339665
>This advice only applies to men who are heavy enough to throw significant punches.
What weight is heavy enough?

>>513339606
Read Bruce Lee.
Wing Chun is absolutely great at developing speed but lacks in powers.
Jeet Kune Do philosophy: Take what's useful from any martial art and discard the rest. The original MMA

>>513338050 (OP)
The real brazillian art is to drink pinga no boteco e fumar derby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKYuvRsfmKs

>>513338050 (OP)
Boxing is the only martial art that will help you defend against multiple people, but really the best defense is a pistol or knife

>>513339088
there's no way it's misrepresented, too many smart people doing it. there's clearly something there.

>>513340854
Probably around middleweight so like 185lbs/84kg. Obviously give or take like 20lbs depending on skill level in martial arts. I'm not the best fighter at my gym but I am one of the largest at 230lbs and our "best" fighter who fights at 155lbs has hit me as hard as he could with an overhand right to the jaw during a shark tank preparing for his most recent fight and it didn't even phase me. Whereas a mw we have who has only been at it for like a year nearly knocked me unconscious in sparring with a overhand right. Obviously this is just my personal experience but most people's punches are laughably weak if they are new to martial arts unless they are around that weight.

>>513338050 (OP)
Depends on the gym. Any gym that promotes quickly is probably bullshit. Should take around 2 years to get a blue belt. Any gym that doesn't train any wrestling or judo is also bullshit. If you find a legit place you'll be able to fuck up the average guy pretty easily after about 6 months of training.

>>513341117
Not that i know but that is what i was guessing too.

>>513340938
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0H1f6mCKnw

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>>513340947
There is no martial art that will defend against multiple people. You’re talking about overcoming a limitation inherent in nature. It cannot be done. You can get lucky, play your cards well, and survival is certainly possible but there is no one martial art or sport which will teach you to reliably survive let alone thrive against multiple attackers. You guys need to just get this through your fucking heads already. All the boxing, jiu jitsu, wrestling judo, muay thai, whatever in the world is completely worthless when you get glassed in the face and sucker punched from behind.

The weird thing about boxing is that is the worst or one of the worst in a cage fight/MMA but the best in a street fight for that vast majority of street situations. Muay Thai is also very good.

>>513341317
>gunkata

>>513338050 (OP)
It's fake martial arts, nothing compared to my neet jutsu.

>>513341339
…is a bullshit meme you dope.

>>513339665
Fair enough, I assumed I was talking to an adult male who could just hip toss a back grab to the same result.

>>513338050 (OP)
To clarify, you should know some kind of wrestling to some degree, I didn't mean it's not important, I mean it doesn't matter which style you learn through as long as you end up with a rounded kitset

>>513338050 (OP)
BJJ is literally the one thing that everyone agrees on as being the most useful. There's a reason why every single MMA fighter always has trained it extensively. It is always BJJ + something else, because BJJ is the king when it comes to what to do when you are on the ground and you need to survive.

If I had to pick a second one to go with it I'd say the most solid combo would probably be BJJ + muay thai. Kickboxing and normal boxing are also solid choices. With these combos you'll have good defense while on your feet and good defense while on the ground.

>>513341381
ITS REAL TO ME GOD DAMMIT

>>513341495

its not useful in the street. The ground is the last place you want to be

>>513341375
So this is the famous Krav Maga I keep hearing about.

>>513341580
>its not useful in the street. The ground is the last place you want to be
Spoken like an absolute retard. Sometimes you'll be forced onto the ground and then what are you gonna do?

>>513341237
https://voca.ro/15u8yMFFYzHT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Os9vPRVO6M

>>513341639
wrestle up

>>513338050 (OP)
Kike military prowess is a hollywood tier myth. They are a terrorist nation held together by blackmailing western nations into supporting them.

LEARN TO JEW

...then hire 15 Erik Prince Goons to wipe your ass after you get off the can!

>>513338050 (OP)
I have a friend who has done it actively for over 2 decades. His shoulder is completely fucked. Common injury in this sport. Rolling around on the floor with men will fuck up your body

Gay as shit and the reason the ufc sucks now.

>>513338050 (OP)
I used to love it until I got a really bad infection. Gordon Ryan had one too. There are days when don't feel well and I'd like to stop myself from ever going. People downplay the risks, for sure.

>>513341658
https://voca.ro/1dNSej3hVyAm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWo9kycSOAA

>>513338050 (OP)
gracies are a business, and their method got a lot of good publicity with wins in early MMA events.
boxing and wrestling are good because the quality of competitors in boxing and wrestling, at least in the US is very serious. if I was living in thailand I'd say do muay thai for the same reason, high quality competitors mean you'll absorb more experience and lore of 'shit that works'.
basically you can do anything, any martial art, just pick high quality serious people to train with.
its why gracie jujitsu and muay thai are both good and bad with popularity. there's a lot of serious training, but there's also a lot of 'pay the bills' unserious instruction because its popular.

>>513341317
Yeah, im not saying your odds will be good, but its called a punchers chance for a reason. Martial arts are limited in what you can do, thats why the best defense will always be owning a weapon

>>513338050 (OP)
Back before MMA most brawlers in the u.s. would get on top and punch you on the ground, it's very good for that. But still, it's a bit more of a gym mat or beach discipline, and not as useful against multiple attackers which things like Karate, (from before status seeking phoneis who didn't fight for real took it over) was much more useful. With it's strong emphasis on initiating/breaking contact, footwork and spacing. And yes Judo.

>>513342110
well you're Mexican. I imagine sanitary practices at your gym and of your rolling partners is terrible. This is why I recommend expensive gyms and only going till blue belt. Staph is no joke. It can kill you easily. Thailand is also really bad. Usually striking sports don't have to worry about staph as much, but Thailand gyms basically never clean the mats and the humidity breeds staph.

it was always overrated. it might be effective in a 1v1 cage match with a referee, but rolling around on the floor is the last place you want to be when somebody can just throw a chair at you or kick your head like a football. the best self defense is not being a nigger and getting into brawls and the second best defense is a gun.

>>513338050 (OP)
I've a buddy who got really into it about 6, yrs ago. Ive never watched any of his matches, but I guess he's gotten pretty good at it. But he's almost 30 now and it's changed the way his face looks, his ears look twice as big and he's bow legged now. But he's super fit and shredded at least, I guess. It seems really hard on the body and he could still just be shot by a fat feral street orc anyway.

>>513342275
Yeah definitely. I was very excited listening to my favorite brovet talking about how much he loves it that I jumped in head first thinking that because it was expensive, that the higiene was there to match the price tag. I used to shower before and after, but I think that courtesy wasn't extended to me as well. It's a lovely sport and I miss it, but at the same time if I had the foresight to not practice it in the third world, I'd have my microbiome intact.

>>513338050 (OP)
Judo is the patrician's choice for grappling

>>513342563

If I were able to pick being a world class BJJ guy, or world class muay thai, I would pick muay thai every time. So much more aura.

>>513338050 (OP)
You should absolutely learn boxing not just for punching but for leg movement and how to avoid hits. You also need to learn how to throw some basic kicks like roundhouse or a side kick, maybe even a front kick. Don't fall for those meme flashy spin moves or jump kicks because they're impractical. Then you will need to learn how to defend yourself from chokeholds and what to do when you are on the ground. Martial arts are a meme and you gotta learn that people who fight you in the real world don't follow the rules, so neither should you.

>>513342231
this, I don't want to get into street fights with karate fighters, you don't see a lot of them in gyms and sparring and they're overlooked by MMA because MMA sees itself as an evolution over karate as a sport, but there's a lot about their pacing tempo and speed that make them off-putting to fight. their striking and defense are good, they're good at deflecting strikes and returning their own, and their kicks are good and they practice them a lot, even if muay thai got favored for kicking in MMA, karate kicks are still very solid and dangerous.

>>513342771
As someone above mentioned, you can quite easily end up with a deadly staph infection in the gyms here. I won't even go to public gyms to lift. They just are not going to take the time to maintain the equipment so that it's semi clean for customers. A staph infection in this climate is bad news bears.

>>513339606
Judo is alright as well.

>>513340882
Bruce Lee wasn't a real fighter and he was a part Jewish con artist you fucking nigger.

>>513340882
Dude you have never trained in your life. You sound like a fat fucking retard.

>>513338050 (OP)
Boxing and wrestling are all you really need.

>>513343137
If you're big. If you're small you're gonna want something trickier to stand a chance.

>>513338050 (OP)
Self Defence is cope

congrats you can beat your friend or your boyfriend on a mat with a referee and rules. Lmaoo

wont save you from a 6'5+ 250lb jacked black guy sucker punching you, or getting jumped by 5+ people like the couple in Cincinnati. Or other objects like bricks, chairs, knives, and bullets.

last place you want to be is on the ground in an altercation. easy way to get brain damage when your head gets kicked in or you get run over by a car

Best self defence is not living in a crime filled area, gun, spacial awareness

>>513343249
It saved me from all the niggers I fought in the hood stupid faggot. Guess what? The average black guy isn't 6 5 and a lot of the ones who are are skinny you Jew mindraped cuck.

>>513343237
Ninjutsu perhaps.

lmao

>>513338050 (OP)
brazilian jiu jitsu is judo. they just called it jiu jitsu when they imported it to brazil. not that it isn't a good skill to have. judo or wrestling with some boxing are all you really need. maybe some good karate if you want to kick.

>>513338050 (OP)
I'd say boxing and BJJ or Judo.
Just remember that you can get stabbed or shot at any moment.

>>513338050 (OP)
Buy an advertisment

>>513342974
Yeah, should've included that, legit AF but has been badly watered down by Olympic bullshit. Find an old school Judo gym and though and it's great.

Just do Muay Thai and learn some wrestling fundamentals. You can add in some BJJ as well if required.

>>513339606
>"fighter"

>cites only literal sport styles

>>513338050 (OP)
My girlfriend could throw lex over a brick wall without even straining

>>513338050 (OP)
But on the topic...th just of bjj is for 2 gay guys to see who can get th other one into a sexual compromising position first, and then tap out as quickly as possible before the other one gets hurt or gets an erection

>>513338050 (OP)
Lmao grown men that open their lega and lay on their backs like whores

>>513345744
I think people should go back to carrying around sword and axes on their belts. people are more respectful of other people's space that way.
no one is going to let a nigger with a machete walk up to them and ask them if they have change for a 20. hell, no one would even allow niggers to exist in the same region as them.

>>513345837
If 1 man can hold you down then 2 can rape you brother.

Ideal BJJ studio has hot white belt girls that come in through classpass or something. And a permissive culture that has no problem with, say, you taking back mount flattened out on these girls and just enjoying the position for a while. Otherwise I'd only bother taking a few fundamentals classes then moving on.

>>513338050 (OP)
It's good but it's not sufficient by itself.
I've done years of BJJ and truth of the matter is that a good boxer can easily beat a good BJJ fighter in street conditions.

>>513338050 (OP)
BJJ is currently undergoing a karate-style mcdojo craze, but the problem is that BJJ assumes everyone is playing by the rules like it’s a fair 1 vs 1 in the UFC but the truth is that the last place you want to be in a street fight is on the ground grappling with someone in a crowded bar with drunks and chairs and shit everywhere. Willingly taking someone down in a street fight and sacrificing your movement when your opponent could be potentially be armed or have friends is giga retarded. Your opponent is just going to smash a bottle into your face, bash your head against the concrete, bite, gouge eyes, grab your nuts and twist, pull a knife out and slide it into your ribs, or simply have his 2 other niglet friends boot you in the face and steal your wallet. I’ve been a bouncer for 5 years and here is what works - full Nelson, basic rear standing choke, movement/distance control, pepper spray, numbers (street fights are almost never truly 1v1) and get good at some basic boxing defense and counters. If you want to kick and be fancy, assume the floor is slippery and keep it to simple teeps or stomps to the knees. Knees to the body/groin. Elbows. Dirty boxing. Weapons, even a simple glass bottle. All of these are better options than taking a guy to the ground unless your plan is to just stall on the ground until the cops arrive/people break it up. As a “self defense martial art” BJJ is laughable and anyone that tries to convince you otherwise is a huckster selling you a class where you roll around with sweaty men making eachother say uncle and trying not to get a boner. I’m not going to say it’s truly useless, as any martial art in general is going to give you an advantage, but BJJ is almost useless in an actual self defense situation where your opponent wants to truly rob, hurt, cripple, or kill you. Always assume your opponent is stronger than you, willing to fight dirty, has friends in the crowd, and is armed.

>>513346214
I hate rolling with the girls, you can't go full force with them, you can't grab them anywhere, it's such a fucking waste of time

>>513346674
There are three steps in a fight: 1. striking, 2. takedown, 3. ground.

BJJ trains you for the last step. But you can't reach that last step if you don't know any striking. A good boxer will knock you out before you even manage to grab him.

It doesn't mean BJJ is useless, but it's not enough on its own. You need good striking to be able to use BJJ in a fight.

>>513338967
Perfect answer.

Do some grappling, do some striking, lift weight, sparr regularly.
You’ll be fine

The reason jujitsu is as popular as it is, would be because 1) It does work and is legit
and 2) and this is a big one, you can be a regular dude who trains and still go to work the next day "fine". Of course the marketing is a big deal but for sure jujitsu is the easiest on the body among the legit combat sports. So you can actually run a business and pay the bills by having students who actually will pay their gym dues. If you tap early and dont go balls to the wall every round you can stay injury free for the most part and Bob the finance guy wont end up in the hospital and quit in the first month. Judo is hard on the body straight up. Boxing/kickboxing you are getting hit, now if you train at a good place you can mitigate that a lot by only going 30% but thats always walking on a tight rope. Old school muay thai doesnt even have you get out of the way of most strikes, you just deaden your nerves most of the time. Wrestling has you really exploding fucking hard for anyone on the same level/weight as you.

As for self defense, first get a gun. Second if you care about hand to hand, the answer will always be MMA. How you want to split that up into striking, grappling, submitting, power bombing someone on their fucking head all depends on the person, attributes, personality etc. You got a lot of options. How much is enough is kind of a rabbit hole. I would say dont train like you are counting down the days to summer vacation because then you will A) probably hate it and then B) rush too much and hurt yourself or someone else.


t. bjj blackbelt instructor/coach/cornerman

>>513340882
Jeet Kune Do guy in Kengan Asura got wrecked by a rank novice. Shit martial art tbqhN

If you want sport, yes. If you want self defense, just get a weapon. A $20 knife negates 10,000 hrs of BJJ

>>513338050 (OP)
its 5'8 and under cope for not being heavy enough to throw a high newton punch

>>513338967
getting a black belt is always a good thing. you lose nothing by trying.
t. purple belt so far, i moved recently and had to stop because work takes my time now

>>513338050 (OP)
one of the best ways of getting into a healthy life.
I usually recommend my clients 3 ways of getting fit: Yoga, swimming(crawl) and BJJ.
For street fighting I'd probably go with Boxing and Judo, or Kali Shikaran/Eskrima/FMA for getting kills. BJJ only really works with rules but is the best way for the ADHD mind to get sucked into training, day one you are thrown in with the boys and start getting cardio while learning. BJJ is a great martial art but even better to get into shape.

I've trained BJJ for almost 15 years. 4 stripe brown because I've had to switch schools a few times. I train/teach at a really good school.

Generally training for self defense is retarded if your job doesn't require it but not knowing how to fight a little is pretty embarrassing for a man. If you are going to train it might as well be something provably decent and BJJ fits in there. Our school has great competition results but we also do basic self defense and training with striking is necessary for a blue belt. Find a place like that. Beyond that getting really good is about beating other people that are also really good and takes a ton of time and dedication. You have to really like it

>>513340645
Thank you once again anon much appreciated

>>513340105
>Boxing gyms also suck because it's a nigger tier sport. The way boxing gyms spar leads to serious brain damage.
Yep, unfofortunate that it has such a retarded approach to sparring.

>>513340819
Thank you. I will take this into consideration .

>>513338050 (OP)
Judo is convenient in day to day encounters, since you can make opponents basically defeat themselves.
Useful for legal reasons.

Then again i'm a very big judoka, so i'm prejudiced maybe.

>>513338050 (OP)
I believe it's just some men craving intimacy.

Personamly, i can't stand the stench of a sweaty guy touching me everywhere, humping me and so on. I prefer boxing.

>>513341317
>There is no martial art that will defend against multiple people.
Kali does okay at it, but it's a weapon art.

>>513341593
Kek, but aikido is serious business. If it wasn't so hard to perfect, we'd probably see it more in octagons.

>>513338050 (OP)
to win fights in a very gay way its fantastic.

>>513339088
jew jitsu is often used in mma and it cant be countered, you tap out or you get your arm broken. only jiu jitsu can do that. its gay as fuck though.

>>513338050 (OP)
if it's against one opponent, yes. also you're better off with judo since jiu jitsu is only newaza and judo teaches that

tl;dr jiu jitsu is half judo

>>513338050 (OP)
Just throw some coins on the ground and when they lean to pick them up kick them into their head

>>513338967
FPBP, routinely drilling the absolutel fundamentals of BJJ is a better use of time than learning how to Omolollapalooza from quarter-grug guard
>>513350442
>getting a black belt is always a good thing. you lose nothing by trying.
If you follow the other anon's advice you definitely won't have the time to become a BJJ black belt, you'll be too busy training and studying other martial arts to give BJJ your all.
Mileage may vary but the few purple and black belts I've known are 100% in the lifestyle, teaching classes and competing in tournaments

>>513339540
>Boxing is for niggers. MMA striking or Muay Thai is what people should look for in order to do striking.
Retard take
>>513339728
100% yes and don't follow that retard's advice. I've done both and the fact is you're not going to develop good hands doing muay thai or kickboxing because they're so goddamned focused on kicking that punches become nothing more than ways to set up kicks and generally kicking is a retarded thing to do in the street unless you have years upon years of experience since it compromises your balance so much. Meanwhile you can become a decent boxer after 1 yr of dedicated training, 6 months if you take it really seriously. Overall punching correctly is a far more useful skill for the average person as is learning the footwork, especially lateral footwork. You'd be amazed at how much people just tend freeze up if you move to the side in mid combo.

Jiu Jitsu is only cool when it is a man vs a woman... and the man loses.

>>513355435
Its great as long as no one jumps in when you are tied up like a pretzel on the ground. Muay Thai Kickboxing is the way to go, unless its 1 on 1 with a jiu jitsu fighter.