Thread 513341942

If the earth is a spinning ball, why can you hover with a helicopter on the same spot for hours and the earth below you isn't moving anywhere? Or you can send a balloon high up with a camera and the earth isn't rotating. Or why do two planes flying the same distance but from the opposite spots, one towards rotation and one against it arrive the same time, shouldn't the earth rotation make the trip longer for the other (not that the plane flying to opposite rotation could even reach the destination because planes are slower than earth's rotation)?

>>513341942 (OP)
If it was a spinning ball, it would be faster to travel in one direction by air

>>513341942 (OP)
Its big and moving much slower than youre imagining.

>>513341942 (OP)
Edit. I mean the plane flying with the rotation shouldn't arrive

>>513341942 (OP)
The Earth's rotation doesn't cause the ground to move out from under a hovering helicopter or a rising balloon because both, along with the atmosphere, are already moving with the Earth's rotational speed (about 1670 km/h at the equator) due to inertia. When a helicopter hovers, it retains this eastward velocity, staying above the same spot relative to the rotating ground and air. Similarly, a balloon with a camera doesn’t show the Earth spinning beneath it because the balloon and the atmosphere share the Earth’s rotational motion. For planes flying the same distance in opposite directions, travel times are equal because both the plane and its destination are in the Earth’s rotating frame, and the plane’s airspeed through the co-rotating atmosphere determines the time, not the Earth’s rotation. The misconception that a westbound plane couldn’t reach its destination due to the Earth’s faster rotation overlooks the fact that the plane starts with the Earth’s rotational velocity. Effects like the Coriolis force are minimal for these scenarios, and real-world flight time differences stem from winds, not rotation.

>>513342207
There's is no observable proof that you are moving with the "earth's atmosphere", you cannot sense anything and it sounds ridiculous

>>513341942 (OP)
Because we're rotating with gravity
You don't stop rotating WITH the planet, just because you're airborn

>>513342326
You don’t feel the Earth’s spin or the atmosphere’s motion because you, the air, and the ground are all zipping along together at the same speed—about 1670 km/h at the equator—so it’s like sitting still on a cruising plane. The proof’s not in “feeling” it; it’s in stuff like the Coriolis effect twisting storms or GPS working because it accounts for Earth’s rotation. Sounds ridiculous? Nah, it’s just physics—check a Foucault pendulum if you want to see the Earth’s spin in action!

>>513342326
Isnt the fact that the helicopter isnt moving observable proof?

>>513342339
Gravity is still just a theory, that some magical force is pulling everything to earth

>>513342433
It's a proof that the earth doesn't move at all

>>513342426
Thanks chatgpt

>>513342513
But wont the helicopter slowly drift even if the pilot isnt moving it? Is that not observable proof?

>>513342477
Gravity is one of the most robustly confirmed phenomena. Newton’s law of universal gravitation and Einstein’s general relativity precisely describe how masses attract, predicting everything from falling objects to planetary orbits. Countless experiments—pendulum measurements, satellite trajectories, GPS accuracy—confirm gravity’s consistent, measurable effects.

>>513342576
LOL

>>513342578
The helicopter doesn’t drift because it’s already moving with the Earth’s rotational speed—about 1670 km/h eastward at the equator—due to inertia, as is the air it’s hovering in. Newton’s first law ensures that, absent external forces, the helicopter maintains this velocity relative to the rotating Earth, so no drift occurs. The atmosphere rotates with the Earth, meaning there’s no relative motion between the helicopter and the ground to cause observable drift. Expecting a drift as “proof” is as clueless as thinking you’d slide backward on a train moving at constant speed. The skeptic’s logic fails because it ignores the rotating reference frame, which is why we don’t see helicopters sliding west without pilot input. Get real—physics isn’t fooled by your backyard observations!

>>513342578
You can do this with anything, with clouds too. If it's not windy, why are the clouds perfectly calm in the sky for hours and nothing indicates that they are moving with the rotation?

>>513342477
It's a "scientific theory" not a guess, like I'm theorizing your girlfriend's syphilis has reached a critical state. That's a guess.
A scientific theory is more like a "method of knowing how something works"
No we don't fully understand it. Like your mom, I don't why she acts like she does, but I DO know she puts out

>>513341942 (OP)
Same reason why dropping an object while you're in a moving car doesn't make it fly towards/slam against the back, retard

>>513342576
apparently the inarticulate have now a mantra to recite when faced with the fact that other people are articulate.

This is a troll thread

>>513342019
.......it is faster to travel west by air

>>513342699
They move with the atmosphere at the same speed as the ground—about 1670 km/h eastward at the equator—so they appear calm relative to you on a windless day. Expecting visible drift ignores that you, the clouds, and the Earth are all in the same rotating frame, with no relative motion from rotation alone. Look at satellite imagery or the Coriolis effect on weather patterns if you want proof of the Earth’s spin, not your backyard cloud-watching.

>>513341942 (OP)
You can free from it by jump from the 8th floor don't believe science bullshit but trust me you'll see earth is flat dome shape after you jump

>>513342809
Science says that the earth also wobbles, if you were on a train and it started wobbling you would feel it

>>513342578
>>513342667
thing is, the helicopter DOES drift without constant correction by the pilot and/or pilot assistance systems.
However, it only drifts due to the imperfections of thrust & lift(one side actually produces more lift/thrust than the other, so many light helicopters are actually canted a little to the weak side; fully articulated rotor systems are kinda bulky if you want them to be cost effective) and crosswinds.

I have personally seen the shadow of the mountains on the clouds. That can't happen if the sun doesn't go under the horizon.
Sorry.

>>513342854
>doesn’t into double dash — detection or ending posts with a !

>>513342882
It just doesn't make sense. The earth is more like the train and we stand on top of the train (which we would feel a lot). Atmosphere doesn't make logical sense, it's just air. Maybe if the earth was inside a glass ball I could see it, but not something invisible

>>513341942 (OP)
if the earth is flat then why are you so stupid?

>>513341942 (OP)
also, will this fly?

>>513343167
Umm

If earth is flat why is your pp so small?

>>513343158
You don’t feel it because the ground and air move together. The atmosphere’s held by gravity, not “just air,” so clouds stay put.

Earth spins around its axis at up to 1,038 miles per hour, or about 0.30 miles per second. When I jump straight up I should land 0.30 miles away.

>>513343227
Warm them jet engines and get the turbines up to speed

you know how a housefly can fly inside your car despite you driving at 50mph? same thing

>>513343338
When you jump straight up, you don’t land 0.30 miles away because you’re already moving with the Earth’s rotation at 1038 mph due to inertia. The ground and air are also spinning at that speed, so there’s no relative motion to shift you westward. Your logic ignores that you, the Earth, and the atmosphere are all in the same rotating frame, keeping you landing where you started.

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>>513342596
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>>513343258
>lemme squish the map and hope no one notices

>>513343343
rolls but don't fly

>>513343392
But if jump before elevator crashes, I'll be ok?

>>513343158
Does the wind on the train bother you as much if you lay down close to the roof of the train?
Consider this, and then consider that a train is maybe 300 cubic meters per car, and the earth is about 33,000,000,000,000 times bigger, give or take a zero.
The tolerable air movement's envelope will be fucking high, compared to that of a train, and get pretty fast the higher you go, until some of it begins to get lost in the void of space.

>>513343485
based and realitypilled

>>513341942 (OP)
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>>513342596
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>>513343546
Nah, you'll be falling at terminal velocity minus jumping speed which will still shatter your chicken legs.

>>513343485
you live in a caravan park and you are proletariat.

>>513343081
The thing is, maybe earth is round but it's not spinning, rather the sun and moon go around it

>>513343338
Yes, just like when you jump in a plane you instantly splat against the back wall.

>>513343612
What if let's say there's a pullup bar in the elevator and I hang from that, will force shock, be distributed between my chicken arms and chicken legs?

>>513342596
Literally everything you claimed in your post is provably objectively incorrect. Both Newtonian en Einsteinian gravity have been thoroughly disproven for over a century now. Everything you think you know about gravity is just dogshit you picked up from your popsci perceived authority figures. Educate yourself:

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/509630584/#509636972

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40460212/#40496037

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https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40375472/#40442060

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40375472/#40451756

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40460212/#40513170

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40641095/#40686204

>>513343692
The moon does go around the earth lol
the heliocentric model explains the motions of tbe other planets more simple though.

>>513343840
Yeah. Your girly little wrists will snap which will partially break the fall for your dainty spaghetti legs.

>>513342207
if a hot air balloon floating in place is "moving with earths atmosphere" so the ground under it wont move, how come you can clearly see all the clouds passing by? are the clouds moving with earths atmosphere? if the clouds are moving, why doesnt the hot air balloon move too?

>>513342426
1. chatgpt response
2. foucault pendulums have electric motors and are constantly restarted
3. if me and the air are both zipping together at the same speed, how come the clouds fly by and change drastically but the hot air balloon isnt moving at all?

>>513342704
except its literally just a guess and you're going through mental gymnastics trying to justify it. newton didnt even believe in gravity or want it attributed to him lol

>>513343167
america attacked itself for pearl harbor, all of ww2 is a masonic plot between freemason rothschilds, freemasons roosevelts, etc. time to really wake up to reality buddy, 9/11 was the same thing btw

>>513341942 (OP)
When we stop rotating you will feel it, like die in a heart beat. So are you going to put it to a test, stop earth from spinning, killing everything on earth to proof that it is rotating? Or just stop being a faggot? Which is it?

>>513343368
oh ok, what if the car was going in 4 different motions? do you think the fly would feel it if the car was spinning at 1000 mph while orbiting the sun at 66600 mph while flying through space at 450000 mph while all of the galaxy it was in was moving in 1.1 million mph in a different direction? do you think the fly would think "wow, im motionless right now". that makes sense to you why?

>>513344325
if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is there to hear it, are you still a moron?

>>513341942 (OP)
The atmosphere moves with the earth retard

>>513344432
earth is already not spinning faggot, and in fact there are LITERALLY zero experiments you could EVER do on earth to prove its spinning. the only reason you could ever be convinced its spinning is because another man told you so and you believe him blindly, which makes YOU the faggot. OR you saw "videos of earth from outer space from the government" and believed it as true which again, makes YOU the faggot

>>513344491
if earth is a 3959 mile radius sphere with a PHYSICAL HORIZON preventing you from seeing beyond 3 miles from a 6ft elevation, is it possible to see across 30 miles lakes from a 2ft elevation?

>>513343081
Found the answer phew. The shadow is on top of the clouds https://youtu.be/RuDKg7xQnJE?si=GnDJx-efR8Yv58_Y

>If the earth is a spinning ball, why can you hover with a helicopter on the same spot for hours and the earth below you isn't moving anywhere?
Try this experiment: Stand in the back of a flatbed truck moving at a constant speed. Jump. Your forward momentum is conserved while jumping, despite not having the truck to pull you forward. Understand this concept of conservation of momentum and apply it to all of the scenarios you have described.

>>513341942 (OP)
How can you jump in a moving train and not fly away? The answer is kill yourself retard.

>>513344270
I've set up Foucault pendulum with a fellow priest. I went up and hanged the string on the church ceiling, the guy tied in a steel ball, attached a string to it, and when the thing settled, we burned the other string at the base. Sure enough, the thing started moving as predicted.

>>513341942 (OP)
take an intro to physics class dumbass

>>513344662
wow, epic, cool story bro, and how long did it stay in motion? funny how before the invention of the electric motor they would only swing for a day, i wonder why they stopped and now they use electric motors for every single one in major churches?

>>513344562
yeah put that in your chatgpt and smoke it

>>513344727
will it explain how pressurized gas can exist in an open container without expanding to fill the container?

>>513344637
this guy has a point

>>513344747
yea its funny how even chatgpt admits its literally impossible and you wouldn't see the waterline, only the tips of 400ft mountains or buildings. and yet 99% of the world is convinced theyre on a 3959 mile radius sphere

>>513341942 (OP)
You are literally always moving with the planet

>>513344757
its the intergalactic balloon

>>513344757
Yes

>>513344637
>>513342426
btw jetstreams LITERALLY debunk the idea of "the atmosphere is moving with earth", there are tons of pockets of jetstreams that are literally hundreds of miles faster in specific directions, and some of them are even AGAINST the direction the earth is allegedly spinning. the idea that the entire atmosphere moves at a consistent speed with the consistently rotating earth is just something that people are forced to defend to justify their fake and retarded worldview

>>513344859
oh okay so how is it possible that we have PRESSURIZED GAS (and gas requires a container) when earth is not in a container and its flying through open space?

>>513344757
Some gasses do escape into space, you're being retarded on purpose aren't you

>>513344796
Look at this fucking retard using clankerslop "yea it's funny how even chatgpt admits" I've seen chatgpt admit to eating Robo shit which you should be fucking doing robotard

>>513344796
no, thats not what I said. ask chatgpt to let you smoke it

>>513344894
flying haha I think its more like OP's "flying" on some drugs

>>513344927
so how do we retain gas PRESSURE when to even have gas it REQUIRES a container? here's the definition of gas:

/ɡas/
noun
noun: gas; plural noun: gases; plural noun: gasses; plural noun: a gas

1.
a substance or matter in a state in which it will expand freely to FILL THE WHOLE OF A CONTAINER

>a substance or matter in a state in which it will expand freely to FILL THE WHOLE OF A CONTAINER

that is what PRESSURE is, the gas has to PRESS on something and then it can push back so we can have PRESSURIZED GAS here on earth which we obviously do as we are breathing it right now. in ALL scenarios on earth whenever there are 2 different pressure systems next to each other, they IMMEDIATELY AND VIOLENTLY equalize. when you open up a can of soda, the pressurized gas IMMEDIATELY escapes and continues to escape constantly until there is no more gas in your soda can. why is this not happening on earth if we are not in a container?

>>513344796
>horizon distance from 02 ft eye height ≈ 1.73 miles
kino

>>513344940
its spherical geometry retard you can do it for yourself, earth is a 3959 mile radius sphere curving at 8 inches per mile squared. chatgpt is good for seeing what the mainstream view on things is, if your little peabrain even understood what a PHYSICAL HORIZON is or how a sphere MUST be constantly curving, then you would see how fucking retarded the idea of being on a 3959 mile radius sphere is, and yet you continue to believe it because you're so arrogant

>>513344862
hey man can you address this guys point?
>>513344637
I think this is the most likely case

>>513344588
That's beautiful footage. I guess I'll have to get a photo of it next time.
It doesn't really look as cool when you're on the mountain. There's also the phenomenon of a mountains shadow climbing up the mountain but I couldn't find footage.

It seems intuitive that the sun is below the mountain since the shadow is upside down but that isnt necessarily true. Oh well

I'm still not exactly sure if these are troll threads or not. I only come to /pol/ out of curiosity once in a while and there is ALWAYS one of these up.

The globers and nasa shills are certainly feeling the "climate change" judging by their language these days. More and more people openly "deny" the moon landings and questions the reality that we have been presented from childhood and the result is kinda funny. Earlier they could effectively use the "urm sweetie you are stupid schtick", but now it is ineffective and they appear as stressed out punchable feds instead. Fun times.

>>513345297
it's not upside down. It's foreshortening.
There is no flathead that can draw competently. They are at best chrischan-level artists.

>>513341942 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ACAvOhVJEw

>>513345374
Just because NASA is an illuminati money laundering scheme originally created to fund the research and development of intercontinental missiles for the purpose of a one world government doesn't necessarily mean the earth is flat.

>>513345364
flat earth is one of the only truths you will find here, and you're being disingenuous. this will be moved to /bant/ the second anyone capable of doing so notices the thread. the reason its so popular is because its a suppressed truth. the fact is, we were lied to. just try and hypothetically entertain the idea that you ARENT in outer space flying on a planet right now. if you could somehow prove that it's a lie, it would then open up some HUGE questions like 1. who could pull off a lie so big 2. how could they keep the lie going for this long 3. if they could lie about this, what other things could they lie about?

seeing these threads is actually a blessing for you if you ever choose to go down the rabbit hole, considering how many lies there are. you have to realize /pol/ is not really a place for truth anymore. the powers that be (jews) know that anonymous message boards are too powerful to allow to run their course freely, that's why this place is filled with CONSTANT distractions like porn threads, gore, racemixing, race baiting, man vs woman, white vs black, immigrant vs citizen, russia vs jewkraine, etc. its all nonstop distractions. not to mention all the shit about trump, aliens, etc.

>>513345452
Yeah, I figured that was a possibility but I didn't know the word

>>513345522
The problem is flat earthers wont accept anything as evidence they deny it all no matter what

>>513345514
right, but they are one of the major proponents of "proving that earth is a globe" - if you take out the hoaxed 1972 apollo moon landings, NO HUMAN BEING HAS BEEN 1/1000TH OF THE DISTANCE TO THE MOON SINCE THEN! think about that. we haven't sent a human being even 0.1% of the distance to the moon since 1972, and if you remove that entirely it means that NO HUMAN BEING has EVER been 0.1% of the distance to the moon.

and if NASA is a lying agency, it also should make us ask why they haven't been stopped, why they haven't admitted the lies, why they aren't being trialed in court, etc. the fact is, they are one of the major pushes for the deception

earth doesn't have to necessarily be motionless and flat, but that's what our bodies perceive. we dont detect motion and we see the horizon from a beach, plane, or high altitude balloon as perfectly flat every time. "scientists" came along and said that it's an illusion and not the case, provided zero evidence, NASA "proved" it by "showing us video and images of our flying spinning curving globe from space", and here we are. there is no real good proof that we're on a 3959 mile radius sphere

>>513345600
There is no evidence. And all the "evidence" like NASA photos from space can be debunked

>>513345024
you're not factoring in gravitation
the gas is being pulled back towards the Earth by gravity
so it's a gradient, with more gas towards the surface, and less gas the higher up you go
that's why you can't breathe once you go high up enough
it's why different jet engines are tuned for different altitudes
or why you need to bring oxygen tanks when you climb a really tall mountain

lots of air at sea level, little air on top of the mountain

atmospheric particles are a gaseous soup, with particles bumping into each other all the time, and sometimes those collisions impart enough energy to "shoot them away" from the Earth
if they have enough energy to reach an escape velocity, they fly away for good
if they don't quite have enough energy, they go up and come down like any other sub-orbital object
like throwing a ball up and it coming back down

so collisions push gas upwards, gravity pulls back down
more air at the bottom (more collisions), less air at the top

>>513345600
what "evidence" do you have to present? there are LITERALLY zero experiments to prove earth is in motion that you and i can recreate. the horizon is LITERALLY flat to all civilians and you and i both experience a flat, motionless earth. what proof do you need?

have you gone out and tested the earth yourself? if not, then how can we have a fair discussion? they told us that there's a literal WALL of earth preventing you from seeing beyond 3 miles from a 6ft elevation, and you can go out right now to 5-10-20-30 mile lake and see if you can see across it. guess what, you can easily see across it which means we physically cannot be on a 3959 mile radius sphere. its as simple as that

>>513345641
Who cares about nasa? What about everything pre nasa?

>>513345024
The Heliospehere essentially creates a bubble around earth. There's way more factors in play when considering the fucking solar system vs a can of soda. Try again buddy

>>513341942 (OP)
I'm starting to believe in flat earth again. Considering all the retardation and dishonesty in the world, in hindsight, flatearth isn't even that big of a deal.

>>513345723
There are no pre-nasa photos. And before WW2 flat earth was still a common belief and defended position

>>513342019
It is you retard. Have you never flown round trip cross country? Almost 90 minute difference going against the jet stream

>>513345704
Go look at Chicago from across lake Michigan

>>513345704
Yeah, it's based on gaslight. They say that what we observe and what our common sense tell us is wrong

>>513343081
>>513343692
>>513344588
>>513345297
>>513345452
>Open pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/jk2hAdmh

>ctrl+f: “mountains” or "shadow" or "clouds" or "Rainier"
>see this:
***********************************************
SHADOWS OF MOUNTAINS ON CLOUDS:
***********************************************

Flat Earth Fact #16 - No Earth Curve Shadow Proves Earth is Flat (by Taboo Conspiracy):
https://youtu.be/bIn6nEMEy1s

Flat Earth Fact #16 Addendum A (by Taboo Conspiracy):
https://youtu.be/vUC3scZNH00

Flat Earth Fact #16 - Addendum B (by Taboo Conspiracy):
https://youtu.be/A96g0kIcsb8

Bob the Science Guy's Mt Rainier shadow evidence is now FLAT EARTH EVIDENCE:
https://youtu.be/OO2MJw004HY

Mt Rainier Proves Flat Earth:
https://youtu.be/OO2MJw004HY

>Proceed to educate yourself
>rinse and repeat the ctrl+f method you've just learned for any additional flat earth questions you have
you're welcome.

>>513345701
okay, so now you're reifying "gravity", which is a theory that has never been proven and simply does not exist. it cant be measured, isolated, and doesn't stand up to logic. if there is a force capable of keeping the helium in our atmosphere stuck to earth and free from escaping earths gravity, why does a helium balloon float up so freely? close to earth the effects of gravity should be more powerful. are you telling me once the helium balloon gets high enough THEN it will somehow be affected by gravity? it just doesn't make sense. its all about density and buoyancy, that explains literally everything.

most people can't even define gravity, i ask them all the time. is gravity "mass attracts mass"? not anymore, now gravity is "the bending and warping of space time". can you bend space? what is space? space is nothingness, space is what is inside an empty container. it can't be bent, stretched, folded.. neither can time, these are not physical objects that can be physically interacted with. can you bend love? can you bend justice? can you bend freedom? no, but apparently you can bend nothingness (space)?

first of all, newton didnt even believe in gravity and thought it was literally retarded to think that objects could ever influence one another across vast distances with no background medium between them. he LITERALLY didnt want it attributed to him and the last page of his principia on gravity explaining this was removed. there are just way too many gaps in the story of "gravity" for it to make any sense

>>513345858
no
you're wrong
I'm not adhering to any particular theory of gravity for that explanation to hold true
gravity is simply the name of the force which causes the apple to fall to the Earth

whatever the underlying mechanism, the name is gravity

>>513345834
And when something doesn't make sense like "why can fighter jet fly fast near the ground and not be affected by the curvature, but flies at the same height" and the explanation is "gravity", a invisible magic thing that kinda pulls us to earth but also let's helium balloons fly easily

>>513345858
You can bend light and thats not a physical object

>>513345918
Apples drop to ground because they are heavier than the air, very logical

>>513345858
>why does a helium balloon float up so freely
it floats up through the layers where the atmosphere is thicker (more particles, denser soup)
once it reaches a certain altitude, it won't rise any more

whilst there's enough helium in it, gravity isn't strong enough to pull it back into the dense parts of the soup

this is 'buoyancy', and it's why a beach ball floats on the top of the sea, and doesn't get pulled under, but if you throw it in the air, it still gets pulled back down

>>513343258
>equidistant_projection in filename
That's right. This is a projection of the globe to a 2D shape.

>>513345918
the name is density and its already explained. the reason the apple falls to earth is because the apple is heavier than air. the entire reference for the apple falling is newton. if newton saw the apple fall into a puddle and begin to float, he would understand there is no force attracting things specifically down to earth, its simply density sorting things out.

if there is a force called gravity attracting me to earth, how come if i go in a swimming pool its not sucking me down? its because im not as dense as the water, so i float above it

here's a question for you: why does a helium balloon float and beat gravity?

>>513346059
what does 'heavier' mean?
why are things heavier than others?

>>513345632
What about that time I sailed around the world

>>513346094
Uhh you do sink in water? Wtf

>>513346063
i dont understand why it is floating up at all if there is a force called gravity that attracts things down to earth? how is it capable of overcoming gravity?

how is it possible that an empty balloon is on the ground, but if you ADD mass to it (by adding helium) it begins to float? where is gravity at all in this scenario?

>>513346129
there is no such thing sailing "a-round" the world, you can stand up right now and walk around your chair in the same direction and "circumnavigate it" even though your floor is flat

>>513344894
>smartest leaf

>>513346104
Well they just are. A sack of rocks is heavier than a tennis ball and falls faster because it's more heavier than the air

>>513346196
Mmm indeed, going... around... a chair... in a circle...

>>513346140
i mean you can literally just lay flat and float on top of water but we can change the example to a ball: if gravity is the reason a ball falls down to earth, how come the ball stops going towards earth when its in a pool of water, and instead harmlessly floats above it? because there is no such thing as gravity and its ALL about density and buoyancy. there is no "force of attraction", things just sort themselves out by relative density

This thread has been a wonderful reminder that this board is not home to people of impressive reasoning skills

>>513346210
Umm... theyll fall at the same speed, you and leaf anon are just stupid, glad we cleared this all up.

>>513346244
right... on a flat plane... meaning that.... you can do circumnavigation on a flat plane... meaning that circumnavigation is not proof of a globe... and you can go entirely eastward in 1 direction and end up where you started....

>>513346280
yea youre right i cant believe with how obvious the deception is that people still think they're flying through space right now and freemasons played golf on the moon

>>513346143
whilst the balloon is near the ground, the air is denser, so because it's filled with a gas which is less dense than air, it gets pushed upwards by the surround fluid (the air)
it'll stop rising once it reaches an equilibrium with the surrounding air

the key part is this: what's pulling the dense atmospheric soup downwards and displacing the lighter balloon?
what's making the air heavier than the helium?

whatever the underlying mechanism or theory, THAT'S the thing we call gravity

>>513341942 (OP)
hi nigger
when a helicopter pilot hovers, they are looking at shit on the ground and moving the helicopter based on that.
THE SAME FUCKING WAY A HELICOPTER MOVES WIHT A MOVING SHIP OR WHATVER YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGER THINK ABOUT IT FOR 4 SECONDS.

>>513346310
So If I go east, according to your map, why dont i fall off the edge of the world

>>513346357
>the key part is this: what's pulling the dense atmospheric soup downwards and displacing the lighter balloon?
>what's making the air heavier than the helium?

i mean... yeah.... thats density. its because the air is a gradient composed of a mix of oxygen, helium, nitrogen, etc. the reason the balloon floats is because its full of helium which is lighter than air, so it will float up to the layer of the atmosphere where the rest of the helium is above the air, and under the nitrogen. nothing is "pulling the dense air down", the air down here has more oxygen in it which makes it more dense and then density itself settles things. there is no force of gravity that needs to be invoked.

it seems to me like we're talking about the same thing, the "downward force". i just am saying it is not from the "mass of the earth" causing "space time to bend", but instead its ALL due to relative density within a medium

>>513346366
Not true, pilots are trained to see the world as a flat non-rotating plane. Then if you question "why is that" it's because "gravity takes care of everything else, don't worry about it" lol

>>513346457
So what keeps helium from floating to space

>>513345086
>earth is a 3959 mile radius sphere
Correct. Finally we can agree on something.

>>513341942 (OP)
Because you have an acceleration aswell.
Because air gets dragged aswell.

>>513346442
if you're talking about east as in all the way to the right, i can't answer that because you would be turned around and restricted from going. there is something called the "antartic ice treaty" which has been in place for 70 years and literally almost every major country on earth agrees to prevent any unrestricted travel beyond something called the 60th south latitude. you can look this up yourself, article VI:
https://documents.ats.aq/keydocs/vol_1/vol1_2_AT_Antarctic_Treaty_e.pdf

on pic related, ive drawn a big red circle around what is considered the 60th south latitude which is off limits to you and i. as for what would happen if you went beyond it, who knows? nobody even knows what is there, if its possible to go there, if there's other lands beyond it, etc. its pure speculation at that point. all im saying is, we exist in this circle they drew around us and we aren't allowed to leave it

space is fake gay
nukes are fake and gay
stop worshiping kikes you stupid niggers

>>513346562
because helium is not more dense than nitrogen, its heavier than nitrogen and lighter than oxygen. so it goes up above our oxygen to chill with the rest of the helium

>>513346581
If you look at the clouds on a non-windy day, nothing indicates that the atmosphere is pulling them with the earth

>>513346570
yeah oops i should have said allegedly, im just saying they taught us all that earth is (allegedly) a 3959 mile radius sphere curving at 8 inches per miles squared. the issue is that this REQUIRES a physical horizon to be 3miles out from a 6ft elevation, which just doesnt exist in reality

>>513346457
if you drop a 10 lbs weight and a 10 lbs sack of feather in a vacuum, why do they fall at the same rate?
the bowling ball is denser, so shouldn't it fall faster, because the density downwards-force is greater?
but it doesn't

so density can't be what's pulling them down

>>513346526
lmao ok

>>513346616
But theres nothing above the helium so why wouldn't it just continue floating away to fill whatever container

>>513346595
100% correct
space, nukes, dinosaurs, evolution, viruses, 9/11, all wars etc are inventions created by jews to imprison us and blind us from reality. they want us bickering, drugged, fat, retarded, angry, stupid, afraid, drunk, etc so that we never unite in order to ACTUALLY fix the problems we have here on earth

>>513344458
The earth is much larger than a car. The equivalent would be if the car was spinning 10 inches an hour and moving a couple of miles an hour (not actual math, just a rough guess.)

>>513346457
>>513346753
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9Zb3xAgIoY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frZ9dN_ATew

>>513341942 (OP)
If jews aren't behind well poisoning conspiracy cults then why are their arguments so bad?

>>513346700
I'm not saying pilots know the earth is flat though, but they have been taught to imagine it as such so they don't think about the curvature or earth rotating and then they don't think about it more

>>513341942 (OP)
You're a retarded jew.
Rope yourself, go on, if gravity doesn't exist you'll be fine you fucking dumb cunt.

>>513346753
Yeah God put dinosaur bones in the ground as a prank, they never actually existed

How about flat earthers prove the earth is flat?

>>513346671
9.8m/s^2 is just the maximum falling speed we have here on earth and without any resistance, two objects with no medium to stop them will fall at the same rate. not to mention, gravity was invented to explain how "space motions" work. the better question is, in a weightless environment, why doesn't the feather start to orbit the weight? how come in a vacuum you can't get marbles to stick to one another via gravity? how or why would a huge solid planet orbit a planet made of gas?

>>513346742
because there is nitrogen above the helium, the thing we call an atmo"sphere" has already filtered itself via density

>>513345751
I subscribe to flat earth sometimes, depends on the thread. There's no way I can out flat earth op tho, so for at least this thread gobohomo it is.

>>513346892
It's not gravity, I would fall because I'm heavier than the air

OP is correct. Einstein’s tensor calculus shows that there is nothing within a gravitational field acting perpendicular to centripetal pull. Therefore the leading theory of gravitation describes purely an attractive force. Such a force cannot, does not, and will not cause an ascending helicopter to maintain a stationary x,y position relative to earth’s local coordinate system as it rises, assuming earth is a rotating spheroid.

The law of conservation of angular momentum does not apply to gasses and does not apply to earth’s atmosphere. If the earth was spinning, a helicopter rising to 20,000 feet, hovering for one hour, descending straight down would land over one mile away from where it took off. I have done the math. I can demonstrate this unambiguously.

>>513346894
the dinosaur bones are the remnants of giants, because giant human beings used to exist on earth and its the most major coverup. there has never ever been a fully intact fossil of a dinosaur EVER discovered despite us allegedly knowing about hundreds of species, all the bones are "locked away for preservation" while replicas made of plaster are on display, and there has been tons of hoaxes regarding fake dinosaur bones since they were originally discovered. dinosaurs weren't even discovered until only 200 years ago. yes, there are giant bones we have found all over earth, no they do not belong to 300000000 year lizards that died to a meteor from outer space. and 100% no man on earth can PROVE that that happened either, yet its the consensus everyone seems to be taught like its fact

>>513341942 (OP)
Go rent a helicopter.
Mark the position from which you ascend from.
Stay in the air for 15 minutes without correcting course a single time then go down.
You won't land in the same place, but you won't land far either. Wind and gravitation pull will keep you helicopter down the same path earth moves despite the opposing force of the helicopter, and the earth moves way slower than faggot simulations you may have seen.

>>513344757
First of all, space doesn’t “suck” like a vacuum cleaner.
Air gets gradually thinner with altitude because of gravity and the atmosphere extends a lot farther away from Earth than you think. It’s a gradient, not a hard border.

>>513346917
in ops defense if you look close enough it does look pretty flat

>>513346753
In 200 years people will talk about space and aliens like we talk about center of the earth and dinosaurs living there. It will make slop like marvel age extremely poorly.

>>513346833
why does air magically ignore muh gravity?

>>513346867
what im saying is it literally doesnt matter.
could be a fucking dick shape for all a pilot cares.
when you're hovering you just stay in one spot whether the ground is moving or not
if want to fly at 10000 feet msl, you fucking stay at 10000 feet whether the earth is flat or a doughnut
its a retarded argument
also the earth takes 24 hours to do 1 rotation, it doesnt seem like you understand that

In order to hover directly above the location he took off, the pilot would have to gain speed as he ascended in the precises direction of the earth’s rotation, maintain that precise vector while hovering, then lose that speed slowly on the way down.

If a spinning earth was for some unknown reason able to drag a 10,000 pound helicopter along with it as it ascended, then this would reduce the rotation speed of the earth by a very very small amount due to the energy required to accelerate the helicopter to the velocity needed while overcoming the inertia of the aircraft and also overcoming drag.

>>513346917
i mean your body literally proves earth is flat to you 24/7, when have you seen it not flat? its flat at the beach, its flat from a plane, its flat from a high altitude balloon. they lied to you and said "actually, the flatness is an illusion, youre on a giant ball". if you can prove they are lying it should make you revert to what the default perception your body tells you

want to see what it looks like when you go as high as possible? its still flat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDKfJROVHJE

>>513346938
in these videos:
>>513346833
they're not falling for long enough to reach terminal velocity, yet they still fall at the same speed
can you explain that?

>in a weightless environment, why doesn't the feather start to orbit the weight?
because gravity is an extremely weak force, and the feather and weight don't have a very large gravitational pull at all
you need things on the scale of the Earth and Moon to create any noticeable force, and even then, it's weak
you can temporarily defeat it by jumping or throwing a ball (until it overcomes the velocity and pulls you back down)

do you think you can jump higher in a vacuum chamber?

>>513346094
If I have a gold bar (density 19 320 kg/m3) and put it on a wooden table (density let's say 1000kg/m3) why doesn't it fall through? It's heavier than the table, so by your logic ir should fall through, right?

>>513346671
They're both denser than vacuum, and since vacuum causes no resistance they fall at the same speed.

>>513346867
>>513346526
heres 19 pilots talking about how earth is flat and motionless btw lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5is_bgPbeMc

>>513347117
it doesn't
air is subject to gravity too

>>513347117
each atom of air props up the one above it.

>>513347205
because the table is a physical object?

>>513346753
yep and sadly i still enjoy the liquid jew too much to stop drinking
the spookiest one for me is their cloning labs in the d.u.m.bs apparently they can swap consciousness. britney spears strange animated music video for one of her songs about them. imagine being put into a trance and be transferred into one of the cloned husks just to be abused.
that and maybe a close second is the "demons" or whatever beings the satanist channel

alas, these are only word of mouth from witnesses not 100% proof like space being fake and gay is easily provable

The earth is not spinning on any axis! It is stationary relative to it’s own center of mass. You have been lied to. I am sorry if that is difficult for you to believe.

If the earth was spinning the way they claim it would have to drag along with it the entire atmosphere which has a mass exceeding 5 quadrillion tons. There is no possible mechanism for a purely attractive force that operates with a weakening field strength gradient to achieve this and transfer this magnitude of kinetic energy to gaseous body. Even if this somehow could happen by the operation of some yet-to-be-discovered force there would be friction. There would be friction between the atmosphere and the surface terrain of a rotating earth. This friction would produce immense heat and the kinetic energy of the rotating earth would be slowly be converted to thermal energy and the earth would slow down and eventually stop any rotating motion.

>>513346753
The only one I'm curious about is meteors. It does seem we have stuff falling down from time to time, no? And all the big cratters. But whho knows, maybe they're remnant of a civilization and explosives.

>>513341942 (OP)
Basically they act like atmosphere is attached to earth and everything within moves with the same speed.

so I'm like really impressed with the stats in this thread, maybe I shouldn't have picked globohomo this time, can I change to flat earth or is it considered bad manners by \pol\tards?

>>513347221
>>513347233
all things are pulled with the same acceleration to earth according to gravity, including air and each atom. your explanation doesn't work

>>513341942 (OP)
The secret is in Mrna.

>>513347291
don't understand momentum and inertia?

>>513347291
thats quality internet right there

>>513347214
so denser objects don't sink to the bottom of the lightest medium faster than lighter objects?

>>513347337
You're locked in bro, you chose your team, only bitches betray, you ain't no bitch are you anon?

>>513347374
lol like you can pull and atom through an atom

>>513347257
yeah its very scary actually and i mean, we're all human beings and have our vices. the cloning thing is really fucking crazy to me and i 100% believe it, and yes i also 100% believe we share a world with demons. actually, this might be out there for you, but i think the jewish elite are LITERALLY demons, as in, there is a race of beings on earth that walk like humans, talk like humans, but are not humans. they have no moral compass, and they dont know right from wrong, and they are the ones who force humanity to kill itself in endless wars, nonstop abortions, etc. they poison our food and water, they keep us enslaved

it should be very curious that SO MANY of our global elite pedophiles seem to just happen to be satanists taking part in occultism and rituals. is it just larping? are they just trying to pretend to be super evil comic book villains? no, there is something there that we don't fully have access to understanding, but the pattern is undeniable:

https://rumble.com/v30wuya-the-blood-cult-27-victims-27-witnesses-from-lois-sasek.html

https://www.bitchute.com/video/cBxjh85ZgkLn/

the amount of occultism in the music industry and hollywood alone is insane, and they are doing it for a reason, not just because they are pointlessly evil. there is war between man and demon here on earth but its no longer with swords, instead, the war is over our minds. sadly, technology is one of the major control tools they use to enslave humanity and it has 100% worked

>>513342207
>along with the atmosphere
False. The atmosphere is constantly in flux. That's why we have weather. The earth's rotation causes much of the weather patterns we observe.

>>513347374
my explanation of what? your original point was very clear
you asked "why does air ignore gravity?"
it does not

why do you think air ignores gravity?

>>513347436
i dunno, you fucks are pretty dense and you're damn near at the bottom of the page

>>513347448
>you ain't no bitch are you anon?
I guess not :(

>>513347257
btw this is kind of long but a pretty cool video regarding freemasonry, satanism, and occultism in the music/hollywood industry. its from a guy who won "x factor" (tv talent show) and was essentially onboarded into the hollywood cult, but backed out and shared his experiences. pretty harrowing and creepy stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gok1FaUstjI

>>513347459
muh science still can't explain mass. where and what is mass of an object?

>>513347334
No. Given that the law of conservation of angular momentum does not apply to gases and therefore earth’s atmosphere does not get a free ride along with the earth as it rotates, there must therefore be a transference of kinetic energy into the atmosphere that is sufficient to keep the 5 quadrillion tons of atmospheric gases in motion. Where would this energy come from? If you say it is inertial motion, then can you demonstrate that between the terrain of rotating earth and the atmosphere there is no friction converting that rotational kinetic energy into thermal energy?

>>513346648
Are you retarded?

>air rotates with the earth
That sounds so absurd if you think about it. Like not only does the air rotate but you can't observe it rotating. It's like imagination presented as science

>>513347550
a bowling ball and a feather weigh the same in zero-g
but we know the bowling ball is heavier
mass is the name we give to the thing inside the ball which causes it to be heavier on Earth, even though when it's in space, it's not
weight and mass are therefore two different things

and it's the mass, which causes the weight

the theory behind it doesn't matter, it's just the name we give to the thing

>>513347706
The videos from the space station have been shown to be fake over and over again

>>513347274
yes meteors are an interesting one, undeniably there appears to be SOMETHING happening up there. personally i think it is electrical discharge as i think this whole reality is fundamentally electric. earth has a provable and real magnetic field, so do you. the way your brain works provably is electricity turns neurons on and off, etc. i think earth "discharges" its electricity in the higher atmo"sphere" and this is what we call meteors. they are NOT rocks falling down from a place, and they are not physical objects at all. they are just zips of light that appear and disappear

>>513347775
that's fine, we're not talking about that

>>513345819
It should be a difference of several hours woth how fast the globe spins retard

>>513347706
>the theory behind it doesn't matter, it's just the name we give to the thing
you can't explain what mass and gravity are, you're just going around in circles explaining things in terms of other things that cause other things. WHAT makes a collection of atoms have more mass than another collection of atoms?

>>513347784
did you give up on our conversation?
>>513347185
I've looked into the "buoyancy only" theory before, so I found the conversation interesting

>>513347467
Used to work at a famous hotel and one time a bunch of masonic shriners came for some convention in our banquet hall. one tall african dude like 7 feet tall was shaking workers hands and when he saw i noticed his occult ring i swear on everything his eyes went cats eyes yellowish tint when he shook mine, some david icke shit takes me back to watching credo mutwa interview in the 90s

>>513341942 (OP)
You can see the moon in the daylight when it's supposed to be on the other side of this so called globe and not visible.

>>513347550
"Gabriel's Horn is a fascinating mathematical concept that describes a geometric shape with a surprising characteristic: it possesses a finite volume but an infinite surface area"

\pol\tards think thats a paradox, but its only because of the quantum nature of matter that the cone can't be painted because there exists a smallest particle but none smaller. if matter were a continuous blob (as it appears at normal scale) then of course you could paint it because the paint can be as thin as you like. so this means at a certain level, mass is actually an integer. we don't know its ultimate precision but we suspect its handled by something like one of those bignum libraries but obviously we're blocked from looking because d'oh

>>513347686
Neither air nor water are stationary.
The rotation of the earth creates currents, such as the jet stream, the gulf stream, the westerlies, and the easterlies.
When you realize the wind is not random, that's evidence FOR rotation not against.

>>513347840
nope its just clear to me that you 100% describe density and then say "well, its gravity". there just is not a force that can be proven that exists due to the bending and warping of space time, the whole idea of orbit and everything is totally fake and retarded especially once you prove to yourself earth is not a 3959 mile radius sphere

>>513344662
It always moves in the direction it's originally pushed towards. If it worked as intended it'd move on its own

>>513346973
But helium is less dense than nitrogen. Doesn't explain why the nitrogen doesnt float away

>>513344590
Except you don't feel the inertia in the case of helicopter. You feel it when it happens on ground but in the air somehow it disappears.

>>513342066
1500 kph is not slow at all, imo.

You guys are retarded.

>>513346894
Yeah dino bones never found by normal people but then evolutionists invent them and all of a sudden they are finding thousands in bone wars. Still only they find them, not ordinary people and if you get to see what they found it's a plaster of paris 'replica' or a sculpted rock if claimed as real. On that note evolution comes from the ball earth and heliocentric theory, debuted by scientists who also moonlighted with science fiction speculating alien races on other planets

>>513347891
that sounds like an abstract theory that was never put into practice. I don't care what some scribbles say on a piece of paper

>>513347850
yeah that sounds incredibly fucking creepy, there's so much unexplained weird shit out there and sadly human trafficking is the #1 most profitable industry on earth, these people are literally eating human beings, sacrificing newborn babies, doing rituals with their blood and skulls, etc. they hate humanity. just know that you have the armor of God on you and they hate you because they envy that you are a divine being

>>513347911
Does time exist in your reality? Please explain how it works.

>>513347945
the reason the nitrogen doesn't float away is because earth is in a container called the firmament. the mainstream has literally no rebuttal for why the atmosphere doesnt float away other then "gravity is a container" which is totally fucking made up and retarded, especially considering how weak gravity is. it makes no sense that gravity cannot pull a helium balloon down or prevent helium from escaping upwards UNTIL a certain height where apparently suddenly it can prevent the helium from escaping into outer space. modern physics LITERALLY has no rebuttal to this and its skimmed past. in order to have gas pressure you NEED a container, a physical literal container that causes the gas to press against in order to create pressure, that's just literally how pressure is created and how it works. they say "the bending and warping of space time is the container" because its their only option to protect the retarded and fake and guy 3959 mile radius floating wobbling tilted spinning sphere model

>>513347837
>WHAT makes a collection of atoms have more mass than another collection of atoms?
well they'd be different elements in each collection of atoms if they had different masses
different elements have different masses
e.g. Uranium has more mass than Hydrogen
H has 1 nucleon
U-238 has 238 nucleons

it's bigger, it's made of more things, and so it has more mass

>>513347945
if muh space is a vacuum all gases would escape but muh magic atmosphere these people crack me up. sometimes i wonder if its just their much more advanced a.i. sent to attack any mention of flat earth automatically and just spews out what the kikes wrote in text books

>>513347252
So what's holding the gold bar up? The surface normal force. In that case, if there's a force pushing it upwards, why isn't it accelerating infinitely into space (or the dome I guess)? Because there's an equal but opposite force pushing it down. Can you guess what that force is called? Hint: it starts with a g.

>>513345750
So basically way more bullshit that can't be tested or proven

>>513347911
why don't you jump higher in less dense mediums?
why can't people go to the top of a mountain and then jump significantly higher?

there's less atmospheric density, so a density-only explanation should allow for super-jumps in vacuum chambers and at the top of mountains

>>513348033
>I don't care what some scribbles say on a piece of paper
now this seems accurate

>>513347550
Mass is the quantity of a substance. Are you retarded? Its the most easily explainable and provable topic there is.

>>513348179
>NASA/NASHA means 'to lie', in jewish

>>513348221
>Oy vey
HONK

>>513345701
Nothing is being pulled, the atmosphere is made up of multiple layers based on their density until they reach vacuum. As in top down, objectively vertical, not spherical.

>>513348175
You do, try jumping underwater.

>>513348175
because the difference between those two mediums is virtually insignificant when we're talking about a 200 pound human jumping up through air with a bit less oxygen in it. the better question is, why is it that on the 1/6th gravity of the moon they were not able to jump any higher? with 1/6th the gravity a 200lb man would be ~30lb and should be capable of crazy feats impossible here on earth

>>513348093
"Time" doesn't exist, we just observe day and night and seasons changing and created the calender and clock based on those

>>513348034
>these people are literally eating human beings
thats pretty fucked up, what happened to just tying one to a bed and having a go?

>>513348245
why does buoyancy happen?

>>513348245
But what keeps the top layer of gas from just floating off into nothing

>>513341942 (OP)
>why can you hover with a helicopter on the same spot for hours and the earth below you isn't moving anywhere?

With magnets. You just don't understand how they work.

>>513348121
you're still not explaining what mass is. I'm asking what is mass. you're not defining mass you're just saying what has more mass. but why does an element have more mass than another element? you can't escape this problem by saying random science facts

>>513348221
>>513348237
>Why do jews lie about the shape of Earth?
Who nose

>>513348286
i would imagine its just like most things, after enough rapes it becomes predictable and you want to up the ante. also, some of it is like "in order to level up in our cult we must do unspeakable things together and thus we are now bound by the fact that we could take eachother down". its this fucked up nightmarish cult that ultimately results in tons of human suffering

>>513341942 (OP)
>>513347686
>Or why do two planes flying the same distance but from the opposite spots, one towards rotation and one against it arrive the same time
You've never noticed how it's much faster to travel from the US to Europe than vice versa?

>>513348280
I said vacuum chamber too
why can't you jump higher in the lightest medium there is (i.e. vacuum)?

>>513348309
Mass is the quantity of particles of a substance. The end.

>>513348237
Lmao best meme so far

>>513348280
Because if you fuck up and trip or land on a rock wrong you die instantly

>>513348373
i mean you very likely would jump a bit higher with no air resistance.. so what?

>>513348429
yet theyre driving cars around on the moon like its need for speed 2 doing drifts and shit? c'mon

>>513348309
>but why does an element have more mass than another element
because the heavier element is made of more things
are you trying to ask me "why do subatomic particles have mass at all?", or "why does an element have more mass than another element?"
because I've answered the second question: bigger, made of more stuff

which has more mass: 1 brick, or 238 bricks?

>>513348129
Yes. I can confirm this. The fake and gay spheroid earth would leak 90 tons of gas per day. The lightest elements would leak out first, and the composition of earth's atmosphere which is a heterogeneous mix of gasses could not maintain equilibrium.

>>513348034
i swear this is why "school picture day" was invented. its like a damn restaurant menu for them

>>513348449
>>513348418
oops meant this for you

>>513348198
>>513348381
a substance is not particles in the first place? you can't define mass as quantity of particles of substance when you define substance by the particles it contains.

>>513348463
sadly i think you are 100% correct. there is a huge predatory industry in hollywood and the music industry with child actors too, naive parents want their kids to be celebrities so they set them up with a casting agency etc and basically auction their kid off to ruin their life. and the reason nobody is going to get in trouble for the epstein shit is because the leaders of the FBI, CIA, NSA etc are all implicated. who you gonna call if the leader of the CIA and the chief of police both rape you? there are no good guys to call to take away the bad guys. its all one corrupt system where we are the prey. the advantage we have is numbers, though, they are few relative to us. the problem is that most people dont give a shit, dont want to believe it, or are too busy/distracted by being forced to compete for currency in order to survive etc

>>513348429
What would cause you to come back down if you were in a vacuum chamber

>>513348487
just about everybody we see on TV that has a position of influence partakes in the rape, mutilation, and sacrifice of innocent children

>>513348616
they're treating vacuum like a fluid

>>513348616
density? if you are heavier than the medium you are in, you will sink through it

>>513348503
>euro education
10 kilgorams of steel means two things at the same time

>>513341942 (OP)
Why can a fly hover around in a moving car?
Flat earthers are always so close to figuring it out themselves.

>>513348686
but vacuum is nothing, so how is it exerting its weight on you to push you back down?
it doesn't have weight to exert

>>513348710
what if the car was spinning while orbiting a truck while the truck was flying at 450,000mph and the entire road was moving in a different direction at 1.1 million mph? do you think the fly would feel it?

>>513342477
Yes, it is a theory, but it is an observational fact that whenever you drop a rock, it goes straight down to the ground. Can you explain the phenomenon other than gravity?
Retards should learn how to shut the fuck up and leave thinking to their betters.

>>513348743
you dont need it to "exert weight on you to push you down", you are heavier than the medium you are in (aka nothing/vacuum) and thus you will fall

>>513348459
why does the barometric pressure change as you go up?
every aircraft is using barometric pressure to know how high they are.
if we're in a dome it makes no sense at all for it to change, wouldnt you think?

>>513348754
if the air inside the car was moving at the speed of the car, no, it wouldn't feel it at all

>>513348782
why? what makes the heavier things fall?

>>513341942 (OP)
>If the earth is a spinning ball, why can you hover with a helicopter on the same spot for hours and the earth below you isn't moving anywhere?
Because fluid dynamics. Don't even engineer, bro?

>>513348764
>it is an observational fact that whenever you drop a rock, it goes straight down to the ground. Can you explain the phenomenon other than gravity?

this is explained by density alone and requires no explanation beyond it. the rock falls because it is heavier than the air. your suggestion is that no, the rock falls because the bending and warping of space time is causing it to follow that dip.

can YOU explain how i can have an empty balloon on the floor (on the ground due to gravity, right?) and then i can ADD mass to the balloon and it starts to float? (as long as the mass i add is helium). what happens to gravity pulling things down when it comes to a mosquito, a bird, or a helium balloon?

>>513345789
There is one recording of a rocket with attached camera reaching around 80-100 kms in 1948. The camera was spinning around and showed a rather flat looking space. Here's the thing. Because the limit of our view is always going to be circular it might seem like the edges of our vision are curved, but that's simply an illusion.

>>513342207
>>513347474
>when the science golems try to explain the science lmao
These losers are just regurgitating their programming, literal mind control on display here.

>>513348862
i love this meme because anyone can go down the dinosaur is fake rabbit hole or the nukes are fake rabbithole and then they will be like huh.... you know, earth is probably flat because that meme just pointed me towards hoaxes

dinosaurs are fake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYs7vh2WYAQ

nukes are fake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYr6uGTsL7A

>>513348764
can you explain why things are still orbiting other things if the gravitational pull of the sun is greater? you invent sun's atmosphere now?

>>513348865
>can YOU explain how i can have an empty balloon on the floor (on the ground due to gravity, right?) and then i can ADD mass to the balloon and it starts to float? (as long as the mass i add is helium). what happens to gravity pulling things down when it comes to a mosquito, a bird, or a helium balloon?
yes, buoyancy
the balloon is less dense than the surrounding air, so the air pushes the balloon up, like the sea pushing a submerged beachball up

it's the weight of the surrounding fluid

>>513348862
Haven't seen this jew whore meme in years

Flat earthers are either terminally retarded or fucking kikes/glowniggers pushing this nonsense here in order to poison the well for actual conspiracy theories with this braindead bs.

>>513348940
yes, i 100% agree with you that it is 100% fully explained by density and buoyancy to completely explain how and why things rise and fall. and it doesn't require gravity at all, because gravity does not exist.

yes, things fall down, you can call that "gravity" if you want, but what im saying does not exist is the bending and warping of space time, or a force that attracts mass towards it

>>513348799
>why is there more water above me the deeper I swim
This is the intellect of a globe pusher who calls you uneducated

>>513348862
>made the chad a glownigger
>then scribbled a big nose on him as damage control
Your average globohomo narrative enjoyer, nasty fucking creatures.

>>513348953
okay so tell me some actual conspiracy theories you believe in. and then explain to me why we should trust the US government and their CGI images of "earth from space" afterwards

>>513348686
And so if you are in a *vacuum chamber* and throw a ball in the air, what causes it to sink

>>513349014
but you can't explain why the denser medium ends up beneath the lighter one
if you agree 100%, you'll notice what I said invokes weight
what is weight to you?

>>513342326
Retard if you drive 120km/h and you have a fly in your car, it can fly around without going 120km/h and be smashed at the window.

>>513348616
>>513348674
Things that are denser go underneath things that are less dense. There's absolutely no evidence nor need for an active gravitational force.

>>513349099
why do they?

>>513348953
Another braindead golem on display here. Obsessed with wells and poison, classic. His brain is filled with globohomo narratives make no mistake.

>>513349082
if the ball is heavier than the medium it resides in, then it will sink down

>>513348799

>why does the barometric pressure change as you go up?

Air gets thinner (less air pressure) the higher you go up. I do not dispute that.

>every aircraft is using barometric pressure to know how high they are.
>if we're in a dome it makes no sense at all for it to change, wouldn’t you think?

I don’t know if we are under a dome. If we are under a dome we can still have different amounts of air pressure in different places. Air pressurized in a container is evenly distributed only in the absence of another force which would cause an unequal distribution. Gravity in some form could cause this.

>>513349146
but vacuum isn't a medium
it's the absence of a medium

>>513349099
Why dont it do the opposite then and fly off into space? What decides up and down?

>>513349089
bro it is self-explained. the reason the denser medium ends up beneath the lighter one is because thats what density literally does. the reason a ball falls down through the air is because the ball is heavier than air. then, the ball hits a pool, and it is no longer more dense than the water. and so, the ball floats on top of the water because it is less dense than the water. weight is weight, you know what weight is, you dont need mental gymnastics to understand what weight is. a 5lb weight is 5lb because it weighs 5lb. its not because of "forces acting on it" or pushing or pulling or downward or upward anything

>>513347436
No, the speed is based on density differential, which is identical in vacuum which lacks density at all.

>>513349082
nta but its because there is no such thing as a 100% vacuum. no pump in the world is strong enough. no amount of gas displacement will ever remove all molecules nor stop more from leaking back in

>>513349164
sucking air out of somewhere doesn't mean there is "nothingness", that is literally just an abstract concept that does not physically exist. you cannot exist in this physical realm and not be within some form of medium

>>513348865
define this "heavy"

>>513341942 (OP)
>jewish promoted 'disc in space' version of 'flat earth'
Oy vey

>>513341942 (OP)
The helicopter is moving with the earth even though it doesn't seem that way. If it was actually not moving in a spacial sense, then congratulations, you're probably in one of the cheapest and seemingly moving objects that man can ride.

>>513349281
>>513341942 (OP)
>HONK

>>513348865
>the rock falls because it is heavier than the air.
Can you explain why Carbon tends to fall close to the ground and Nitrogen floats higher? Can you explain why we have an atmosphere?
Also, you are describing mass, not gravity. However, there is a strong correlation between mass and gravity.
That's why gravity is a theory, because it is not easy to explain what gravity is.
Also, a balloon cannot float all the way to space. Can you explain why? Mosquitoes can fly because they have wings and use air to float. And whenever they stopped using wings, they went downwards.

>>513348929
Mass. Higher mass = stronger gravity.

>>513348303
Density.
>>513348301
Can you elaborate?

>>513349220
so if we have a heavy ball, and a light ball, the heavy one falls through the air faster
so why do they fall at the same speed in a vacuum?
the air is a consistent density
and the vacuum is a consistent density
so the heavy ball should still fall faster in the vacuum, because it has more weight

>>513349281
>>513349306
>Did you know jews rape kids?

>>513349278
heavy = your relative density is greater than the medium you are in by a lot. thats why you can be heavy (fat) on earth but feel not heavy in a pool

>>513349269
sure, but we're talking about density of air
there's obviously something there, but there's no matter
without matter, there's no buoyancy

>>513349354
>jews rape kids
But what does that have to do with Earth being flat?

>>513349251
>>513349269
So how does three particles of air keep me from floating off
How does density and flat earth explain why the atmosphere is a mixed system and not just layers of gas? The world isn't spinning

>>513349323
>Mass. Higher mass = stronger gravity.
but yet a bowling ball and a feather fall at the same acceleration in a vacuum? doesn't add up

>>513349117
I don't know. They do is all that matters. There's no need for an active force to be added anymore than a need to add active god's involvement to explain physics.
>>513349195
You're not on a sphere. There is only up and down. Things that are denser go underneath things that are lighter and thus you have up and down.

>>513349332
you describe buoyancy:
>the atmosphere is made up of multiple layers based on their density
why do the heavier layers end up at the bottom?
what's pulling or pushing them down to the bottom?

>>513349405
>jews rape kids
Oy vey
>Flat as a pancake

>>513349323
>Can you explain why we have an atmosphere?
atmo"sphere" - yea i mean the gas we breathe is literally pressurized and sorts itself based on density. the reason there are layers to the atmo"sphere" is because the oxygen we need to breathe is down here where we are, there is less of it the higher up you go. the reason the sun is floating above our earth is because its made of a majority of helium and nitrogen, helium is lighter than oxygen and so the sun is like a helium balloon: it floats up above the oxygen just like all helium does.

>a balloon cannot float all the way to space. Can you explain why?
yes, because helium is more dense than nitrogen. there gets to be a point where you go up high enough where there is very little oxygen, lots of helium, and even more nitrogen. all the nitrogen is towards the top. its like when you have water and oil. they settle themselves out. there is also no such thing as "outer space", we are inside a container which is why there is pressurized gas to begin with

>>513349332
Helium is denser than nothing, so it sits under nothing? The nothing keeps pressure on it so it doesnt float off?

>Now go the fuck back to israel ya dopey cunts
HONK
>I win yet again
Bye

>>513348862
Flat earth was the belief of all ancient cultures, if anything globe earth is the silly conspiracy

>>513349284
Nonsense. You can feel when you're in a moving plane or car or train. There's no such feeling when in helicopter, it's not in inertia.

>jews keep promoting the idea of a disc in heliocentric (jewish) versions of space to keep you docile
Then they rape kids
>Keep alert!

>>513349047
>okay so tell me some actual conspiracy theories you believe in
Ok, here's a few:
Holocaust never happened
Kikes killed Kennedy
Epstein was part of mossad blackmail ring that controls politicians in the west.

>and then explain to me why we should trust the US government and their CGI images of "earth from space" afterwards
Because it is not just USA that has produced images of earth from space, and there is no coherent or logical motive for lying about the shape of the Earth, which most learned peoples for thousands of years have known to be spherical, in the first place.
The only reason you flat earther retards have for the entire scientific community across the planet to lie about earth's shape is some insane schizoid nonsense about governments across the world keeping us "away from da lawd" by lying about earth's shape.

>>513345701
>the gas is being pulled back towards the Earth by gravity
You are implying gravity is stronger than a vacuum I have a bridge to sell you

>>513349390
there is no such thing as a place with no matter, this is just a sci-fi concept that exists purely in hypotheticals

>>513349121
Not an argument, kike

>>513348135
>force pushing
whoops u dun goofed.

the force driving density and buoyancy is the coulomb force. electrons from the ground move to the firmament pushing less dense material out of the way (down). in addition this also creates earth magnetic field via induction.

>>513349409
the world is layers of gas, the gas mixes constantly and is constantly circulating and sorting itself out

>>513345858
>can you bend justice
I think that is the only one that we actually do observe getting bent all the time

remember when science was about discovering and finding out new things? now it's only "stop questioning the settled science"

>>513349434
Nothing. Precisely nothing. They're in the state of rest, ordered according to their density.
>>513349474
Why would it float? It can't float through vacuum that has less density.

>>513349549
But how does nothing stop a baseball from floating away

>>513349281
The one I posted is pretty good, we don't know what surrounds us if anything, apart from the sky that we can see

>>513349515
>Holocaust never happened
>Kikes killed Kennedy
>Epstein was part of mossad blackmail ring that controls politicians in the west.
agreed

--
>Because it is not just USA that has produced images of earth from space
so the other governments are trustworthy why? can you conceive of a world where the leaders of governments only appear to be rivals in order to lure you into thinking "the russians would snitch and they didnt so both sides are telling the truth?" if your country has a central bank, its owned by jews, simple as

>and there is no coherent or logical motive for lying about the shape of the Earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7ZpvLu_tFE
money, power, hiding land and resources from you are all very viable resources, most importantly they have you convinced you're a worthless monkey on a speck of dust planet in the middle of nowhere which is not true
>which most learned peoples for thousands of years have known to be spherical, in the first place.
the supermajority of earth knew it was flat and motionless, in fact we used the geocentric ptolemy model for 1400+ years because it describes everything from planetary motions, day/night cycles, can predict eclipses, seasons, etc. the people who taught you "we've known its a globe since the greeks" are the people who lied to you that its a globe to begin with

>The only reason you flat earther retards have for the entire scientific community across the planet to lie about earth's shape is some insane schizoid nonsense about governments across the world keeping us "away from da lawd" by lying about earth's shape.
99% of scientists are not in on it. they go to work and do their job. a meteorologist doesnt give a fuck what shape the earth is, they go to work and get numbers on a computer they assume are from satellites and they go about their day. 99% of peoples jobs are compartmentalized, especially in government agencies

>>513349515
Everyone pretended covid is real too

>>513349596
what ordered them?
if I mess them up, what causes them to re-order?
same question:
why do the heavier layers end up at the bottom?
what's pulling or pushing them down to the bottom?

>>513349596
So this helium particle flying into space at 30 miles an hour stops at a brick wall of outer space because the nothing... does what exactly. Theres nothing to stop it, its an empty medium

>>513349284
>The helicopter is moving with the earth even though it doesn't seem that way.

Defining the axis of earth's rotation as the ‘rest frame’, a helicopter hovering one foot off the ground would have one velocity and a helicopter hovering 20,000 feet off the ground would have another, higher velocity. They would both be on concentric curvilinear flight paths moving with the direction of the rotation of the earth, yet stationary relative to the x,y position on earth’s surface coordinate system. The rotating spheroid model of the earth doesn’t work.

>>513349409
lot more than three particles and not just air.
and as for muh atmosphere thats just like religious people and muh firmament. seein amateur rockets dink of whatever is up there when they go high enough is the million dollar question. since we are surrounded by an ice wall that keeps the oceans "level" then i wouldnt be too surprised if there is a firmament but eh. no proof of muh atmosphere kike text books nor muh religious books about the firmament that can ever suffice.
i just stick with the maths hence why i cant believe eye witness about anything ever even if i think its 99% likely but thats just me brotha

>>513349643
Because it has higher density than what it would float in. The same way if you push a baseball into a dense liquid and let go it will float up.

>>513342477
Lets assume the Earth is flat. Without gravity, how do you explain being able to walk on it?

>>513349698
> you're a worthless monkey on a speck of dust planet in the middle of nowhere which is not true
There we go with the insane christfag shit.
There is literally no point in arguing with you because your entire world view is based on kike fairytales which motivates you to believe in this insane nonsense about flat earth.
Your belief in flat earth is not based on any actual logical arguments or evidence, it is wholly motivated by your nonsensical christfaggot beliefs that majority of christians don't even buy into.

>>513349799
you take one foot and put it in front of the other and then you walk around

still no experiment where you get an extremely large object and a small object gets glued to it for no reason. gravity works like magic

>>513349698
Disprove this

>>513349799
Flattards believe in some sort of universal "down" force.

>>513349729
the one hovering 20,000 feet off the ground has to travel a greater distance to maintain the XY coord on the ground, which accounts for the higher velocity with no apparent increase in movement speed

>>513349827
my entire worldview is based on reality, your entire worldview is based on this deeprooted hatred for a God you don't even believe exists lol. the fact is they taught you a lie growing up and you can prove its a lie because you aren't on a 3959 mile radius sphere with a physical horizon 3 miles away from you from a 6ft elevation. you probably see these numbers and your eyes go glossy and you think you dont need to comprehend them or they dont matter, but once you prove that the globe is a lie to yourself it goes back to relying on what your senses tell you: that earth is flat and motionless

>>513349843
sun is small and local and not 93000000 miles away

>>513349776
But theres a liquid acting against the ball. Theres nothing acting against the helium.

>>513349705
>what ordered
Higher concentration of particles in same limited space outweighs lower concentration of particles and pushes down. I guess it's a relative mass differential in limiyed space then?

>>513349833
they have to be on the scale of planets for the force to be noticeable
that the force isn't as strong as you imagine it should be doesn't disprove it

>>513349799
Because it's down below us.
You ask:
>well why is down where we fall and stay put
That's just how it is lol

>>513349856
>we can't just observe that down is down and up is up! that is not scientific
>a random explosion 15 billion years ago that no one observed? that's physics!

>>513349720
Helium is denser than nothing obviously. Just like a rock is "stopped" by a "wall of air"

>>513349907
That sounds much more like some unidentified magical force than gravity which has a theory backing it up

>>513349904
c'mon that doesnt even logically make sense. its strong enough to hold planets together in orbit but not strong enough to stop a balloon from floating away? how come earth doesnt slam into the sun on its closest part of orbit in its ellipse? how come earth doesnt fly off when its farthest from the sun in its ellipse? instead, gravity somehow "knows" to intensify in order to bring earth back? its just totally made up

>>513349901
the particles with the relatively higher mass just "push down"? why? what makes them do that?

>>513349875
My world view is based on the simple reality that I have no reason to believe in fucking magic (which btw, god essentially is) because there is no EVIDENCE for magic or supernatural forces existing. I am a materialist, because there is no fucking evidence for immaterial entities or forces influencing our reality.
I don't "hate god" I simply do not believe that gods exist, just like I don't believe that ghosts, gnomes or fairies exist, because of the simple reason that THERE IS NO EVIDENCE FOR THE SUPERNATURAL.

If your worldview is based on christianity, it is not based on reality at all because baked into the very foundation of your world view is the assumption that magic is real.

>>513349897
Thats pretty good 8/10

>>513349832
kek

>>513349939
Explain the mechanics of this "down force" please. Put into an equation.

>>513349957
the coulomb force drives density and buoyancy.

>>513349897
pretty much this

>>513349843
It works on flat space too you know. The experiment didn't prove spherical earth.

>>513349972
it does stop the balloon floating away
the balloon rises because of buoyancy pushing it up, and then stops when it reaches equilibrium with the surrounding medium
why doesn't it keep flying up even though it has some upwards velocity from its journey upwards through the denser medium?
something pulls it back down to the point of equilibrium

that force is named gravity

>>513349957
You don't need to make it complicated on a flat earth, but I guess you do on globe earth in outer space to explain why we stay on earth and not fly to space

>>513349940
The wall of nothingness stops particles floating by, by virtue of its nothingness. Got it.

>>513349874
Yes. We should be able to observe this if the earth was a rotating sphere.

>>513349904
>they have to be on the scale of planets for the force to be noticeable
so gravity starts to work arbitrarily when you want it to. makes perfect sense. when does it start to work? why is one spec of dust not magically glued to massive skyscrapers?

>>513349996
there is tons of evidence for the supernatural considering you are alive and no materialist can possibly demonstrate how life originated from non-life, especially when you unveil how concepts like the big bang are a total jewish invention and evolution was a lie entirely made up. one day you will have to confront "who am i, how did i get here, and what is this?"

look around you, using your brain. what is a brain? its just meat activating and deactivating neurons using electricity. are you just meat? how do you know right from wrong? what is intuition? etc. there is too much logic and order for this place to be the product of random chaotic chance. inside every apple is an apple seed to grow an apple tree. the creation you're a part of wants you to thrive and was made for you to thrive in

>>513350054
Flat tards proving once again that they are just fucking retards that want to believe in their nonsense because it makes the world easier for them to understand.

>>513349898
What do you mean acting? Tha liquid is pushing the ball up because its denser, the vacuum is less dense so it's not pushing the helium balloon.