Thread 513350968

Any predictions for the Trump-Zelensky meeting part 2?

>>513350968 (OP)
Nothing happens (again)

>>513350968 (OP)
Zelensky best wear a suit and thank based Trump.

Considering the entire EU entourage is with them nothing will fucking happen. They are going to demand that russia surrenders unconditionally and the killing will continue.

>>513351104
The European entourage will have to wait in the hall outside on account of them being peons.

>>513351104
I'm really hoping for the ultimate meltdown. >Trump angrily pointing his finger eyes wide
>Zelensky looking up at the ceiling arms crossed
>Macron looking down at the floor like a cuck
>Starmer looking utterly clueless
>Merz ripping his hair out while clenching his teeth

>>513350968 (OP)
No cease fire. Escalation of lethal aid to Ukraine.

>>513350968 (OP)
nothin will happen, coz we won't agree to appease the third time. shrimple as.

>>513351390
Get into the meatgrinder, you useless piece of shit. We ain't supplying you with all those weapons for you to survive. We need you to be dead so we can take in your women and use the rest of your shithole as indebted servants for the next 5 generations.

>>513350968 (OP)
Suit? WORN.

>>513350968 (OP)
trump flipflops again

Based psycho Rutte will be there to steer the conversation in the right direction.

>>513350968 (OP)
Trump will fold, expect sanctions on Russia in a couple of days

>>513350968 (OP)
I hope it goes crazy like last time. Vance needs to be there to set Zelensky off. And then Trump will get upset and the whole thing will turn into a shit show like last time.

>>513350968 (OP)
volodya attempts a punch at Trump after Trump claims goyim are people too, JD "Just Dance" Vance teleports in and takes the punch instead, staring down towards mr zelenskyy angrily.
mr Vance then swiftly punches a hole through the White House visitors' heart, teleporting back to his seat as he pulls out his forearm while turning around, now having fully regained his stamina to begin deliberation with the other europeans and all who'd supported volodomyr

>>513350968 (OP)
Ukraine can only agree to a ceasefire if it gets iron clad safety guarantees from NATO or some other 3rd party. These will cost more than a few tanks and rockets. Otherwise, Russia needs to lose hard. If Russia wins, than NATO proves to be toothless. Which is something it cannot allow. So Trump will be bullied to comply.

So TZD will continue in forseeable future.

Things will start to heat up, and all screens will go to this.

>>513351655
sanctions on Ukraine would be incredibly funny, especially the EU crazy seething over it

>>513351390
based

>>513351810
>”COMMERCIAL BREAK, COMMERCIAL BREAK!”

Trump will get the EU (*not* NATO) to provide security guarantees to Ukraine.

The EU will accept and announce a coming series of meetings to discuss the proposal for a plan to setup the project of a future fund (up to 950 billion euros*) to provide military and material assistance to Ukraine.

*subject to approval; terms and conditions apply.

>>513350968 (OP)
Remember when everything was prepared and it ended with diplomatic clusterfuck?

This time we don't even know what Trump will tell Zelensky because we don't know what Putin told Trump in Alaska. Trump obviously heard something he didn't like from Putin and leaks (give entire Donbas to Russia and some non-NATO guarantees to Ukraine) aren't that bad to make such reaction (cutting meeting in half with no lunch). Fact that Trump called not just Zelensky but half of Europe, means there's something more to this.

Nobody in this thread knows what will happen.

>>513350968 (OP)
Zelensky will throw a hissy fit and storm out, and fly back to his losing war to throw the "they betrayed us" excuse to the cattle populace of Ukraine, which they'll pass on to their children as though it were truth for generations.

>>513351329
Merz and Stubb hold JD down, while Macron gives him a wedgie.

>>513351913
Indeed. No such thing. The Crest dates from the Rurik dynasty, probably with Norse origin.

>>513351913
i never mentioned tophet stele

>>513352001
Putin probably confessed his real height and Trump passed the gossip to yuro leaders lmao

>>513352062
>>513351707

>>513351104
>Considering the entire EU entourage is with them nothing will fucking happen. They are going to demand that russia surrenders unconditionally and the killing will continue.

Wrong, there are statements that Starner and others saw the Trump-Putin summit as a positive.

Here's what's going to happen. It'll be like a drug intervention. They got Zelensky hooked on western support, but now they're going to tell him that he has a problem, and they're going to advise that he surrenders and accepts a peace deal.

Why? Because the West simply does not have the necessary weaponry to keep supplying Ukraine to put up a prolonged fight. The West needs to replenish it's arsenals and that only happens with either an actual peace or a lull in the fighting. Russia is currently winning, and there is no possibility or NATO involvement or any greater western support beyond the sending of more weapons, which the west doesn't have.

At best, the west can prolong the time until Ukraine has to officially surrender, but by then, it will only mean more Ukrainians dead in the long term. Best thing is for Zelensky to surrender, and this is what they'll talk about.

They'll discuss how to surrender, and the way they want to structure the peace deal. Zelensky will walk away looking like a defeated faggot, but it's better than being a dead faggot who was raped to death

>>513352001
>mfw he has no cards and doesn't say thank you

>>513352128
death to europe

>>513352001
Wishful thinking, it ended amicably. The fact is that it was cut short because Russia isn't budging, and thus there wasn't anything new to discuss. Russia's demands are the same as ever, and the USA really can't do much beyond convince Ukraine to accept a peace deal. Once they realized Russia wouldn't change positions, there's no real point in arguing and badgering them for hours

>>513352143
>”let me tell you about your culture”
You know jackshit about norse mythology you disgusting fat swarthy mutt

>>513352152
Europe supplies 2/3rds of ukraine's weaponry aid, and this volume is increasing. Ukraine's own weaponry production, afair, tripled since 2022. Ukraine has no reason to surrender any time soon.

>>513352260
have fun getting castrated eurocuck

>>513350968 (OP)
Trump is on TZD now. 14:1 is hard to ignore

>>513350968 (OP)
Krasnov will continue to show his absolute hatred for Europeans and unconditional love for non-whites. After all he's a literal goylem who worships the kikes.

>>513350968 (OP)
yes zelenski will wear ripped up t-shirt with bbq sauce stains
and have faded black sweat pants with all the holdings of a good whomping shart within it

and he'll need lots of coke

>>513352290
you've supplied less than a tenth of it polack
without America western europe would be speaking russian

>>513352290
Does that include air defense? Electronic intelligence?

>>513352290
Ukraine isn't exactly surrendering, they are only asked to give up Donbass now, in exchange for Sumy and Kharkov bits

>>513352331
Europeans are leftist scum

>>513352152
> or any greater western support beyond the sending of more weapons, which the west doesn't have.
Bro NATO have committed like 1% of their stockpiles only to Ukraine. And I’m talking about stuff they mostly don’t even use anymore. They could absolutely commit more like actual strategic missiles, MLRS and MRFs but
>1. puccia nooks skewyyy waaaa
>2. they don’t care that much

>>513352218
What happened to the further sanctions Trump threatened with? He’s just gonna let them go?

>>513352383
180 years of trying to russify us only made 95% of my countrymen seethe at Russia.

>>513352415
You're not even a human.

>>513352422
Nukes is the actual reason they won't supply Ukraine more, Biden admin insiders told this to Reuters

>>513352313
A third of your population is already chemically castrated from goyslop, including (You)

>>513352392
Air defense, aircraft, artillery shells. It also may include technology transfer. Germs ar, supposedly, cooperating closely with UA on their misdle program.

>>513352483
you're not even european, you're a russian
death to europe

>>513352483
Putin invading Europe would be an improvement over high tax net zero lgbtq+ feminist refugee nightmare. Too bad Putin's army is shit

>>513352556
the population fraction you refer to is niggers quarantined in city centers that can be deported en mass at a moment's notice

>>513352395
Donbass includes their strongest defense strongholds. Answer yourself if UA is likely to give them up.

>>513352489
Jesus Fucking Christ, the state of boomers
Someone pull up the nook threats and red lines spreadsheet. fuk monke gon do?

>>513352556
>>513352618
i can't say the same for your arab brother-in-laws though

>>513352576
>amerimutt telling other people what they are
>>513352587
>high tax
Low wages in the federation
>lgbtq+
dedovschina and homosexuality are completely normalized in the federation
>refugee nightmare
the federation is full of them and wants to spread them to Europe.

>>513352623
I don't know desu. Depends what kind of security guarantees they'd get. If Americans and others send peacekeepers it may be worth it to stop the war.

>>513352576
memes write themselves

>>513352218
>Once they realized Russia wouldn't change positions, there's no real point in arguing and badgering them for hours
It still lasted for 3 hours though and leaks suggest Russia actually limited it's demands (just to Donbas and Luhansk) for the first time in last few years. This could be considered success, enough to continue meeting according to diplomatic protocol.

However there was no Q&A and lunch after, which means something unexpected happened and not in pleasant way.

>>513352723
Guarantee, by its name, means that you are willing to throw men with guns at the problem.

>>513352709
Russians are shit but Russians are more like a low iq thug while EU is a high IQ evil sadist.

>>513352313
Have fun dying for Israel

>>513352807
>something unexpected happened and not in pleasant way
putin played the tapes of orange pedo's misadventures on epstein island and everyone lost their appetite after seeing his fat orange stomach

>>513352827
Not necessarily, maybe just rocket strikes. This said, there is no agreement in the world where it's explicitly stated that the other side will send boots on the ground. Even NATO article 5 doesn't explicitly states but only implies military support. It's build on trust. It's up to Ukraine how they'd weights the cost of potentially weak security guarantees Vs the cost of continuing the war they seem to be slowly losing

>>513352841
>admit that the federationalists are niggers
>evil sadist
You do realize that if the were that they wouldn't be the most advanced continent on earth and do you unironically believe the Europeans rule Europe right now?

>>513353020
Maybe. Point is, that any security guarantees that Ukraine can accept would cost others, long term, more than getting Russia to lose now.

>>513353070
The kind of social practices that made Europe the best were systemically dismantled since 1945. I use the term "European" in the same sense Trump uses it when he talks about "European leaders"

>>513350968 (OP)
I hope they televise it and allow people to send chats in that are read by TTS.

Z will be replaced with someone more a pawn to interests.

>>513353182
So instead of improving things you would rather become a caliphate? You're clearly not an European or a honorary nigger at best.

>>513353145
But Russia losing is not on the table. Russia can still keep fighting for a couple more years in this low intensity way. Them Russia can declare mobilisation and fight for who knows how long. They can unironically use nukes too, I don't exactly write it off as Biden being neurotic boomer.

If Ukraine is serious about winning the step number one they have to do is to do a serious mass scale mobilisation, the kind of that would be unpopular but that would create significant numerical advantage. It was the numerical advantages that led to collapse of Kharkov front around Lyman and Isum in 2022, and Putin has to do his own small mobilisation. Doing a mass scale Finland in winder war style mobilisation would at least make the chance of Russia actually losing more than zero. As long as they aren't doing it I don't get what's there to discuss.

>>513353280
Maybe Europe needs to be defeated to motivate the elites to improve things, it's not unprecedented that military defeat leads to reforms

>>513352467
Trump
Always
Chickens
Out

>>513350968 (OP)
You know what baffles me? Why does Ukraine keep warmongering? They're losing land, they've lost approx. 1 million people dead or crippled, they're experiencing huge manpower problems.

The most wise solution here is to make peace, regroup, build fortifications, train army. But heck no they keep meat grinding working-age men and entangle their country into the dark ages.

Human life is limited. Nobody will continue to live in a running down country, and Ukrainian women are securing future of their families right now by migrating with school-age kids, each of which will attend school abroad and will eventually become an anchor child. 15 years fast-forward and you have a tremendous demographic problem which resulted in an insane manpower shortage, allowing Russia to eat you whole.

> CNN 5 minutes ago
> US envoy says Putin has agreed to allow NATO-style security guarantees for Ukraine

>>513353444
>maybe you need to be replaced for the elites that want that to happen for things to improve
Yep, totally a non-retarded being wrote that.

>>513350968 (OP)
Zelensky asking for Russia to pull all troops out and a guarantee that they'll be fine. Trump getting mad.

>>513353538
Putin is just playing time. Next time US and Europe come with a ceasefire/peace proposal he'll just laugh and say: "Lol you actually believed that?!"

>>513353388
Russia's resources are strained as is. Ukraine's handle is exactly that - its allies cant allow UA to fall, and thus they either need to commit to be a security guarantor or to make russia lose. First option is expensive, second is uncomfortable. As such everyone tries to wait things through.

>>513350968 (OP)
Trump tells Zelensky to give territory to Russia or lose the entire country in within the next 5 years. Zelensky refuses and begs for more money to fund his coke habit. Press calls Trump Putin’s bitch and hails Zelensky as a hero fighting to the last breath. In 5 years Zelensky flees Ukraine as it falls to Russia. Lives out the rest of his life in Brussels and giving speeches for 100k a pop

>>513350968 (OP)
I just want Trump to sperg at the EU faggots because I hate them.

>>513353983
Trump is astoundingly easy to manipulate. As long as the european leaders stroke his ego enough he'll gladly nod heads along with them

>>513352313
you can't even see your dick lol

>>513353513
Lmao i could say the exact same thing about russia

>>513352383
*german
fuck russia

>>513352415
*white leftist scum

>>513351390
Kidnaping vans are waiting for you hohol, you can't hide forever.

>>513353538
Russia has nothing against security guarantees for Ukraine, in the absolute.
They just don't want NATO (i.e. the US) to be involved.

EU-backed security guarantees seem suitable for Russia, and probably what they will discuss in this meeting (hence why they invited all the EU cucks).

>>513352587
lol still mad about the brexit?

>>513350968 (OP)
predictions:
zelensky chimps out again and tries to make an appeal to the cameras again.
this obviously annoys trump and vance again.
the 15 minute greeting before going in front of the cameras is partly to ensure that zelensky is wearing a suit.
zelensky will forget to say 'thank you' again (which are the only two words that should be coming out of his mouth).

>>513353513
it's called "bravery"
look it up

>>513350968 (OP)
>Please, let my boyfriend Putin to beat you or else!
>No.
>Bully! Warmonger!

>>513351676
>I hope it goes crazy like last time. Vance needs to be there to set Zelensky off. And then Trump will get upset and the whole thing will turn into a shit show like last time.

Anon falls for the theater.

>>513350968 (OP)
Nothing is going to happen.

>>513351033
is a tracksuit ok?

>>513352467
>He’s just gonna let them go?
Yes. Trump will lose the midterms if oil and gas is expensive.

>>513350968 (OP)
Its going to be cringe and retarded like everything pedo donald does.

>>513352587
>Putin invading Europe
He'll get more bang for the buck if he trains a violent resistance to the European genocide policy.

>>513350968 (OP)
> Hey Zelenskyy, the love of my life Putin said sign this deal, he promised not to attack you again
>the kike; Fuck no, time for more bodies, the military support will be paid by EU

Nuke DC, Kiev, Brussels and Moscow

>>513354261
the vans are only a threat to draft dodgers, you dumb golem.

>>513354400
Why? Brexit just removed one layer of leftist government, the main national level is still there. When I said Europeans I included the UK as well

>>513354637
European leaders won't let him do it

>>513354964
I don't think Putin is an ally of European right-wingers. His stuff is just about promoting retarded theories without any coherent message. He'll fund LePen while sending refugees to Finland, there's no ideologically there

>>513350968 (OP)
He's either going to refuse the demand more money and NATO membership, or he'll agree but then bomb Russia an hour before the agreement takes place then act like he's the victim when Russia retaliates and demand more money and NATO membership.

Trump should just have him whacked.

Every day President Trump reduces the chances of America getting entangled in the European shit show.
Before President Trump's inauguration, Americans were rightfully concerned that we were drawing close to a hot war with Russia.
We didnot even know who was making the decisions. Joe Biden was certainly not in charge. Kamala Harris was not calling the shots.
I do notcare what any no guns Euro faggot from Germany, England or France thinks.
George Washington warned future Americans about entangling alliances. The costs of these European "alliances" are not worth any small benefit America might accrue.
All of these Euro faggots immediately start squealing like a French whore as soon as Americans question where our money is going.
Fuck all of these no guns Euro faggots and their alliance.
The globalists want to grind Russia down with constant conflict. Now that Ukraine is spent they want to spend America's youth and treasure against Russia. The European politicians and EU bureaucrats are controlled by anti American globalists. These globalist controlled politicians and bureaucrats used lies and deceit in attempts to lure America into a war with Russia the American people did not want. America is better off distancing itself from those that try to draw us into war. America is better off without these "allies".

>>513351390
Good, the sooner all of you are dead the sooner the world can move on to better things

Trump has already told the limo driver to circle back and drop the annoying little cunt back at the airport if he is not wearing a suit.

>>513356269
>He is s s*nding refugees to Finland,

No, it was debunked: russia didn't, and never pushed "people to other border to break it" because that simply doesn't exist and isn't possible; only the disgusting turkish were disgusting enough to attempt to do this against Greece, and this was a very huge turkish defeat as the rebs and turkish grey wolves deployed were repulsed and knocked out quickly and easily.

So the only one who suffer was the ridiculous and disgusting turkish tyrant, who was forced to abandon his attempt to "overwhelm the border" since fucking sanctions was in the way; the disgusting turkish regime aattempt to do this again, with the belarus collusion, but it still failed ridiculously.

So you are only posting turkish delusion attempting to swift the burden of the blatant failure of this delusional attempt at leverage.

>>513357559
Oh, he didn't push them, he only organised their arrival and fugees did the pushing on their own. That changes everything

>>513350968 (OP)
They're literally begging for our help..

How pathetic

>>513354261
>Kidnaping vans are waiting for you hohol, you can't hide forever.

Lol...hi 513354261 the ukro deploying van to prevent other ukro from deserting as not unlawful in any way; trying to attack them is diffamation but also you self admitting that you are incapable of managing the military rear, and that why the russian got significant issue with desertion and missing.

Always a pleasure to correct the retard and moron.

>>513351390

Doubt. I think Z accepting this deal has already been foreshadowed. Z would have accepted it long ago but the optics were just too bad for him. Your media will rail on and on about how you were betrayed by Trump and the US, so you don't have to accept any responsibility. You will cede territory and blame everything on Trump because he is the ultimate scapegoat.

>>513350968 (OP)
I thnk they'll be hard yet amiable.

>>513350968 (OP)
Nothing will happen. Trump is wasting everyone´s time and for some reason he keeps doing it. Even when the U.S no longer gives aid or weapons, but only sells for profit to European countries, he insists on being a moronic fuckface who has to be involved in something he is not invited to. There is not going to be peace. It won´t happen. It´s not even that hard to understand.

Since the 2022 invasion, Russia has conquered about 72 square km of land from Ukraine. That´s a bit less than South Carolina. Or about the size of Ireland.
To take area that is about the size of Ireland, Russia has lost.
4500 tanks according to a general testifying in congress.
8000 armored fighting/carrier vehicles.
All of their artillery.
20 medium sized warships/subs.
242 aircrafts of various size. Combat helicopters, jet fighters, big transport aircrafts and even some of their strategic bombers meant for nuclear deterrence and which they can´t rebuild anymore.
At least half a million men dead, dead as in gone, not wounded.
All of this to take what amounts to Ireland. The entire Russian land army, destroyed, rebuild and destroyed again to take what amounts to Ireland.
Putin can not go back to Russia with a peace deal to the Russian oligarchs of which he killed so many and even more got beat up or had their families threatened by the FSB and tell them lets go back to normal. There is no normal. They hate him. He can´t explain to the hardcore nationalists that he lost the Russian army taking "Ireland" and it will take decades to rebuild, they hate him. Which is why he is also locking up some hardcore nationalists. He can´t go back to the liberals either, cause they are all in jail as well, he locked them up right when the war started.
It´s do or die for Putin, either Ukraine collapses and he gets way more territory or he is out of power, maybe killed if the war ends with these results.
And anyone who thinks otherwise is starting to be a real fucking waste of time.

>>513358683
Trump keeps sending weapons, albeit using Biden's budget, and Trump keeps sharing intelligence. Trump is sincerely pressuring both sides into a peace deal. I don't get why pro-Ukrainians are so negative

>>513358890
>I don't get why pro-Ukrainians are so negative
I just explained it to you in my post.
What Trump did was with no warning what so ever, to stop sharing intelligence from one minute to the next, all because Zelensky didn´t play ball with a peace treaty that is never going to happen. That in turn got Ukrainian soldiers killed and, maybe a coincidence or maybe not, those very days with no intelligence was when Russia swooped in and took the land back in Kursk.
In Trump own words, "You´re allowed to make mistakes, but that one was a beauty"

>>513359238
Wow, so bad, Trump put pressure on Ze when he was refusing to even consider a ceasefire. What's exactly so dramatic about it? Ze ended up playing ball and now Putin reduced his demands, seems like Trump's approach is working

>>513359238
>Trump did was with no warning what so ever, to stop sharing intelligence

Fake news faggot. 5 eyes has the same intel as NATO. They just made up that story because the ukrainians in Kursk were in full retreat and they wanted to blame Trump for the fail.

Anyway.

I hear that Trump is considering selling the JASSM to Ukraine. Well why not, the U.S is selling 800 missiles to Poland. So since the U.S won´t be involved anymore, Denmark has a big budget of money on military spending. If possible, we would like to buy 10 JASSM ER, for the Kerch Bridge. Some, not me, but some, might say the Kerch Bridge is the apple of his eye. Putin even had a propaganda movie made about it.
And listen, Denmark takes full responsibility for destroying the Kerch Bridge. If Putin calls up Trump, he just redirects him to Denmark, then our foreign minister can walk down and have a meeting with the Russian ambassador, it´s no problem.
10 JASSM-ER, ER! VERY IMPORTANT YOU DON´T SKIMP ON THE RANGE!

>>513350968 (OP)
It'll be another nothing burger. Trump is a fat useless cunt that's not achieved anything except ruin shit. It's funny that Zelensky is taking his new gang for protection after the last time he got ambushed. Maybe Vance will keep his fucking gob shut this time round the faggot.

Those F-35s escorting Putin's plane should have just blown it the fuck up, problem solved, war over.

>>513359403
>Fake news faggot.
Is not fake news moron. What the fuck is the matter with you? No one, absolutely no one denies it happened.
Even General Kellog, compared it to taking a bat and hitting a mule with it.
Now the thing about that analogy. You might get the mule to cooperate with you again, but the relationship will never ever be the same.
What U.S did was stop sharing intelligence with Ukraine and told everyone else(other countries) to do the same or the U.S would also stop sharing intelligence with that country. That´s what happened. As pure punitive measure, because everyone had the info, it would cost nothing to give it to Ukraine. A pure punitive measure for a peace treaty that is never ever going to fucking happen. It just won´t happen. You can´t lose the entire Russian army several times over, to the point where it will take decades to rebuild and alienate every source of power in Russia while losing said army and return with "Ireland." It´s just not going to happen.

>>513359744
Yes shabbos goyim you should buy that and also give immigrants more welfare, destroy europe with socialism!

>>513352152
>Wrong, there are statements that Starner and others saw the Trump-Putin summit as a positive.
As truthful as marrying a prostitute that tells you you have the biggest dick she ever had