Thread 513356209

Reproduction is immoral.
It's not ok to bring a nonconsenting sentient being into existence, when their life is guaranteed to contain a ton of pain and suffering and misery. It's completely unnecessary and can be avoided by simply choosing not to reproduce - no one is harmed by not reproducing.
Do you agree? Can you give me a single reason why you think reproduction is acceptable, given all the obvious harms that come with it?

>>513356209 (OP)
shut the fuck up low IQ scum. im gnostic myself but still this is dumb topic and you get saged and cursed. your family shall live in pain till rest of their time.

>>513356378
What's your problem?

>>513356209 (OP)
>Reproduction is immoral.
but only for Poorfags, rich people shoukd reproduce because they can give their kids a nice life.
so if you are a poorfag you should probably castrate yourself.

>>513356209 (OP)
Well you the arguer are still alive when you could kys therefore you dont practice what you preach which means you value live enough to keep continuing living DESPITE the suffering.

>>513356562
>but only for Poorfags, rich people shoukd reproduce because they can give their kids a nice life.
This is not true. Most people's lives are very bad. Rich people have marginally better lives, but not by much.

>>513356813
Interest in not coming into existence != interest in continuing to exist.
I prefer to have never been born. But that's not the same as preferring to kill myself. Even if I did , there are significant obstacles to that, both moral and practical.

>>513356829
>This is not true
its very true, I'm rich and happy to be born. my life is pure bliss.
>Most people's lives are very bad
like I said only poorfags have shitty lives that are not worth living. have you considered killing yourself?
>Rich people have marginally better lives, but not by much.
Lul what a giga cope.

>>513356877
How so seems like semantics, you choose to continue to exist day in and day out when you could remove yourself from all suffering with a simple bullet, tell me why you choose to keep suffering when you so oppose it? You have no argument because youre argument is inherently hypocritical, if life truly is so bad then why not end it? Tell me why you arent killing yourself right this instance or whether you are planning to wake up for the next 60 years. Either you have to believe life is worth it or youd die like many people do everyday, or the second option is that youre a coward

>>513356877
there are no obstacles for suicide, just kill yourself and remove yourself from this existence.
you will make the world a better place for people like me.

>>513356986
Hes a coward so he must cope through projection and intellectualisation so that others dont have children which is just a projection of his inherent incapability to overcome his suffering or khs

>>513357044
its just a poorfag who convinced himself everyone has a shitty life like he does, its a cope reaction.
now he takes this into the public to shill his worldview and get support from other deluded poorfags.
many such cases

>>513356964
>its very true, I'm rich and happy to be born. my life is pure bliss.
Have you never gotten sick? Have you never seriously hurt yourself? Has nobody ever been violent towards you? Has nobody ever emotionally hurt you? Furthermore, do you expect that to continue throughout your whole life? Do you expect not to feel pain and loss and loneliness that comes with losing close friends and family?
>like I said only poorfags have shitty lives that are not worth living.
This is not true. I believe that a ton of very negative aspects of life are shared by poor and rich people alike.

>>513356964
Which is why illegitimate people claiming your privilege needs fought.
Your citizenship, property, or women fake marrying men for their money.

>>513356209 (OP)
>>513356500
>>513356829
>>513356877

>>513356980
>if life truly is so bad then why not end it?
Because I have an interest in continuing existence. Life is bad sure but there are ways in which ending it could be worse. The grief that will be caused to my family, or the danger of the attempt going wrong. Also there are still things I would like to do in this life.
Again, your argument is invalid because you equate thinking it's bad and always a harm to bring a new sentient being into existence with thinking that death is preferable in all cases. That simply doesn't follow.

>>513357164
there cant be good feelings without bad feelings.
sickness and death are part of life.
I have no problems with that.
>This is not true.
its very true tho, most poorfags have shitty lives, most richfags have good lives.
I do wish all poorfags would adopt your views and kill themselves, they are useless garbage that doesnt deserve the gift of life.

>>513356986
>there are no obstacles for suicide
This is plainly wrong.
If you try suicide and fail or give indication that you want to do it you will be locked up in a mental hospital against your will.
Also there is a significant harm imposed on the people left behind who will experience grief.

Lithuanians are gypsie whores

>>513357356
>If you try suicide and fail
then dont fail? how hard can it be to slit your wrists and jump off a tall bridge with a plastic bag on your head?
go kys, your life will never be worth living poorfag.

>>513357354
>there cant be good feelings without bad feelings
This is not true. There have been times in my life where I have experienced good feelings without any bad feelings, proving that it's possible to experience good feelings without bad feelings.
>sickness and death are part of life.
Exactly. Nobody can avoid them, no matter how rich. Also a bunch of other very negative things, like heartbreak, loneliness, physical pain and hurt, and various other things.
>I have no problems with that.
Would you like to get sick for no reward? Would you accept to being infected with HIV for $10? If you answer no then clearly you do have a problem with sickness and death.
>most richfags have good lives.
Most people have bad lives and delude themselves into thinking their lives are good, it's called polyannaism. It's an evolutionarily developed instinct to be delusional about how good one's life is. If you think people are accurate about how good their lives are, then that is directly contradicted by the statistics of people in poor shithole countries reporting much greater life satisfaction that rich people in developed countries.

>>513356209 (OP)
The fact that you people just don't go and kill yourself proves that, despite life being hard, it is worth living. The litmus test is whether you kill yourself or not. If not, it's worth living. So do us all a favor and just kill yourself, so we can get on with living.

>>513357540
>There have been times in my life where I have experienced good feelings
you are a poorfag, you didnt experience shit.
its funny you delude yourself into thinking you had good feelings kek when it was actually just cope.
>Nobody can avoid them
actually its very easy to avoid most of it.
>like heartbreak, loneliness, physical pain and hurt
these are nothingburgers and a rich man can easily fix them.
>Would you accept to being infected with HIV for $10?
HIV isnt a real disease, jews made it up to sell big pharma pills to unsuspecting clueless poorfags.
>Most people have bad lives
most people are poor, thats why their lives are bad.
the people that have good lives are mostly richfags like me.
>the statistics of people in poor shithole countries reporting much greater life satisfaction that rich people in developed countries.
thats just cope promoted by richfags so poorfags can cope better and are easier to manage.
you poorfags and your copes are funny.

>>513356209 (OP)
Antinatalists always want to cry about how the world sucks but never want to do anything about it they think by not having children, they are doing something about it. When in reality, not having children is the default, and not doing anything, is not the same as doing something about the conditions you complained about in the first place.

>>513357920
>Antinatalists
are always poorfags, ever noticed that?

>>513357920
You don't get it.
Antinatalism is about convincing others to not reproduce, so your own kids will have more space and less competition.

>>513357361
You probably don't even know what Lithuania is lmao

>>513357991
>Rich people never want others to stop breeding
?

LOL

>>513358153
I sure wish it would work a bit better, poorfags dont seem to care all that much and just keep shitting out more poorfag retards.

>>513358197
we dont drink the coolaid ourselves tho
its all about convincing poorfags to kill themselves.

>>513357991
I know an Antinatalist woman who happens to be quite well off. An Australian. Australians are antinatalists by default, though. Their whole government espouses that view.

>>513356209 (OP)
Taxpayers shouldn't breed it's just that simple. It just perpetuates slavery.

>>513358351
some people are just dumb retards in general and fall for tricks which were meant for poorfags.

>>513358252
>tho
?

You talk like a street beggar.

>>513358351
That's correct. If you were taxed like us you would refuse to make workers for the hive as well. Beer and smokes are pretty much impossible to afford now. I hope every politician gets raped to death

>>513358423
>>513358206
You are so obsessed with being poor that I cannot help but suspect that it's all just an elaborate trolling/projection campaign and you are a poorfag yourself, similar to what incels/asnmasculinity people do.

>>513358425
I can talk however the fuck I want

>>513358499
lmao the poorfag cope reached a new level after the poorfag ran out of his poorfag arguments. top kek

>>513358423
She has a PhD (Although it is in European History). I think she is kind of smart, and honestly, in my view, it is a terrible waste of genes. She's attractive. It is a function of her upbringing. We really need to do away with this freedom and liberal democracy stuff. It's turning people into something not worthy of any kind of honor.

>>513358546
cunts are retards by default, also having memorized useless shit from history also doesnt make her "smart".

>>513358506
>the fuck
?

You sound like a smelly beggar out of some sewer.

>>513358466
Yeah, me too. Join your local racists or something.

>>513358546
>childless
>smart
?

Law of the jungle. She is at the bottom, amongst the losers.

>>513358621
Yeah, they are. I don't know. Her "memorization" of history is more like "she has developed research skills and published/presented in an academic setting". For people who are not in academia, maybe it does not seem like much, but I doubt the average person could do it with any amount of rigor. It does take some intelligence that is uncommon.

>>513356209 (OP)
Who cares what you think. Why don’t fags like yourself just end it all if you’re so upset at being alive

>>513358810
Most academic papers are useless and full of errors.

>>513358733
Maybe so.

>>513358897
There are a lot of systematic problems in general. I think her program is a pretty good one, though. It's through a German University, and those advisors were not messing around.

>>513358546
>PhD
Smart people are self-taught and start their business early, dumb people have PhDs.

>>513359122
Some people do neither of these things... in fact, the majority of people don't.

>>513359007
>University
Sorry, but if you can't learn by yourself and need University, you are amongst the dumb people.

>>513358153
Maybe at the top most level, which ever jewish writer came up with it was thinking that. Op is just a pussy trying to rationalize it as a good thing.

>>513356209 (OP)
This faggots parents had enough money to send them to college and this is the garbage they produce. This author should get euthanized in Canada while the Canadian National anthem is played.

>>513359278
Anybody can learn by themselves. Some professions do not allow people to engage with them without certain credentials. For instance, you cannot confer a PhD unless you have a PhD. It's not a matter of where you learn. But people go into various fields that are regulated and joined at the hip by the government. Try to become a chemical engineer without a BS.

>>513359313
>jewish
Anti-"breeders" material come mostly from LGBT fanatics.

>>513359472
>money
Money can't buy the will to live nor the ability to smell fallacies and nasty propaganda.

Anti-natalists are autistic tranime watching freaks whose entire ideology falls apart when they don't immediately kill themselves.
The fact that you choose to stay alive proves that you enjoy living more than you hate it. Your entire ideology is a LARP. You only believe it because you thought it was cool when a tranime character said it.

Not only do anti-natalists prove they are full of shit and they don't have a problem with being born, but the mentally ill ramblings of a few shouldn't influence the existence of the majority. If people think it's such an injustice for them to be born, there is an off switch. Antinatalists never simply kill themselves, they try to convince other people to not have children or go full looney troon and kill someone while jerking off that they set someone free from existence like muh tranime Attack on Titan.

>>513360327
Yeah.

>>513357779
Here is the deal - you will die sooner than you think and burn in Hell for eternity. Then you will surely agree that not being born would have been better.
Richfag's life is just as short as anyone else's: Steve Jobs, Sunjay Kapur, Petr Kellner, Stockton Rush are all in Hell now.

>>513356209 (OP)
reproduction is the most moral thing you can do with your existence.
your depression of "pain, suffering, and misery" is necessary in development of the supreme state of humanity.
It causes you "pain" to build anything.
It costs you "suffering" to create.
It makes you "miserable" to work.
Without pain there is no pleasure.
Without suffering there is no comfort.
Without misery there is no happiness.
You ancestors went through massive amounts of pain, suffering, and misery to give you what you call "basics" and you want to end what they created because you didn't "consent to existence".

>>513360673
>and burn in Hell for eternity
no such thing, thats just another poorfag cope

Nietzsche wrote most of his work in his 20s while high on opium.
That's who you think is peak philosophy.
Read Plato.
idiot.

>>513356209 (OP)
>Reproduction is immoral.
This is what Spengler means when he writes about that in a declining society people reach a state where "life as such has become questionable".

>>513356209 (OP)
Op should off himself first, nobody wanted you here to begin with, including yourself

>>513356209 (OP)
It’s amoral, dummy. You’re just projecting your own depression on non existent people. Anti-natalists are just even more selfish suicidal people because they don’t think anyone should be alive

>>513361007
I'm not a fan of either.

>>513360999
You are up for a nasty surprise.

>>513356209 (OP)
It's easy to argue against reproduction when you have already been born.

>>513361513
cope

>>513356209 (OP)
yes you're right
all non-slavs should stop reproducing to save the planet

>>513361429
>suicidal
Propagandists are not suicidal.
You really can't see the propagandist hidden behind the carefully crafted role-play?

>>513357243
>lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FYtNQ8izM0
>lol

>>513361463
that explains why you have no rebuttable.

>>513356209 (OP)
I swear anti-natalism.is the gayest, lowest IQ, most morally vacant shit I can think of. Shut up faggot. If you don't want kids then just fucking die already because your life is pointless

>>513356209 (OP)
Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody's gonna die. Come watch TV

>>513356209 (OP)
Consent based morality is stupid. It is not the be all end all of what is right.

>>513363703
Nobody says it's the end all be all of what is right. Just that it's pretty important to get someone's consent before you impose a great harm on them.

>>513356209 (OP)
Why don't antinatalists kill themselves? Never got a convincing answer

>>513356209 (OP)
Consent based morality is innately flawed.
Your consent is irrelevant, actions are justified simply by being enacted.
My children are my property and you are my property as well.

If I create anything, does it consent to being created? Do I truly consent to the act of creating it? It’s not always so easy to say.
And if consent only matters “sometimes” why does it matter at all?

Something that doesn’t exist can’t consent and it’s can’t “Not” consent any more than a rock can consent to being shaped into a statue.

>>513364009
Same reason you don't kill yourself. Because killing yourself sucks.

>>513356209 (OP)
Wasting time and money on some ungrateful little shit would massively reduce my enjoyment of life. I don’t give shit about what happens after I die.

>>513363816
Ask nothing if it consents to being something

>>513364178
At least this is logically consistent.
Sure, self interest is fine and you don’t NEED to do otherwise really.

But this is a different issue from trying to contrive a moral obligation based around consent which can never be given.

>>513356209 (OP)
Lol. That's what life is.
It exists. If you don't like being alive, then anhero. Nobody gets criminally charged for a suicide attempt.

Here’s a good way to think about consent based morality.

If I say you can roll some dice and if you hit any number but 2 you win $10,000, but if you roll 2 I cut off your finger.

Would you do it? Maybe, it’s pretty good odds.
Now would you still do it if I let you look into your own future and showed that you get your finger cut off?
Probably not. But why? The situation has not changed, you are just now more aware of the possible bad outcome.

>>513356209 (OP)
I understand the pain of your life, but can't relate, since I'm not:
A) lithuanian
B) don't live in a depressive baltic swamp

Further on, I can't relate because I:
A) don't waste my limited time reading self-doubt inflicting, mind flushing, auto-masturbatory drivel written by (((philosophers))) who would be considered worse than NEETs today
B) have a healthy sex drive that pushed me to find a normal woman to marry (yes, they exist)
C) love my wife and children whom I take pleasure in providing for a safe, comfortable life

I would suggest limiting g*eek philosophy to 1hr a week at most, drop porn, lift a little and you'll get a whole new perspective on life. Maybe just don't have children if you continue to feel like you do now, because Europeans sure do not need more self-doubting midwits when we're being bred out by low-IQ browns who have little time for your exiatentialist nonsense in between plopping out 10 kids and collecting welfare.

>>513363444
Checked. Antinatalists and faggots reproduce in the same fashion

>>513364802
Masonic consent is the absence of eager and willing resistance.
The absence of your "no" is their "yes".

>>513365152
>depressive baltic swamp
That's hilarious. Did you come up with that yourself?

>>513365210
Which is logically silly when you think about it, disguising naked power dynamics under a facade of morality.
Morality is not getting consent, it is your action or choice being in line with God or not.

This is why assisted suicide is still immoral but beating up a criminal isn’t.

>>513356209 (OP)
Cool story, bro.
Now tell it in Africa/India/China, then be the change you want to see in the world and kys to alleviate both our suffering.

>>513365474
it's the basis for children not being able to provide informed consent.
they are unable to make an informed decision because they lack the ability to be informed.
power dynamics is a moral authority.
"God" is the result of your actions.
You can only make a moral decision in accordance with "God" if you apply logic.
Good and bad is defined according to form.
if you have no form you can not object to being created.
if you exist as a sperm and an egg you do the opposite of objecting to existence in your action of coming together.
technically no one is forcing the sperm to fertilize the egg so the action is considered consensual.

>>513365474
Masons will often tell you what they plan to do and if no one says no they go ahead with it.
so you are provided an ability of informed consent.

>>513356209 (OP)
>It's not ok to bring a nonconsenting sentient being into existence
Alright so just kys then.

>>513356209 (OP)
You should kill yourself then

>>513356209 (OP)
All souls consent to being embodied when the seperate from the one. It is their purpose - to descend, experience causation, and return.
To say this world is not the form amd substance of God is to limit the divine.

>>513356209 (OP)
>my life is miserable, therefore it must be inherent to the human condition and not just me
Ever noticed that anti-natalists are always mentally ill?

>>513365876
> if you have no form you can not object to being created.
This is what I said earlier, consent is a myth and it’s debatable if it ever can exist.

You “consent” to life by your very nature, your reasoning 20+ years after the fact is irrelevant and not killing yourself means you consent to continue onwards by necessity.
>>513366058
The issue is if it’s possible to consent at all, or not to that is.
Do they themselves even consent to their own actions or not?
Masonry is crypto-judaism because it is built on these sorts of logical fallacies in order to uphold a system which basically obfuscates the power dynamic and confuse others in order to accumulate power.
This is also why Black People are the most spiritually enlightened because they are essentially ungovernable and don’t give a shit even about their own consent to their own actions.

Even their future self is just “some other nigga” whom they can exude power over.

>>513366815
informed consent obviously exists.
you can consent to having dinner.
if that dinner was poisoned did you then consent to death?
no because you were not informed.
"consent to your own actions" is an illogical statement inferring that you are merely a meat puppet which is a non-provable idea, a teapot in orbit around the sun.
"spiritually enlightened" is a meaningless buzz phrase but in my opinion respect for yourself is peak spiritual enlightenment and if you respect yourself you respect your form and would never defile the form of another human because they share your form.
the least "spiritually enlightened" are the most murderous.

>>513367453
> you can consent to having dinner.
You consent to a biological necessity?
I mean you can make choices, but it’s not really “consent” in a moral sense.

Your consent is meaningless because it’s entirely situational and reactive.
If I ask a compulsive gambler about their consent for a bet before and after, it will be wildly different.

Doesn’t that negate the idea of consent? The gambler was “informed” of the odds, and lost, after the fact he regrets it and would chance his choice if possible.
So the consent of his future self was not taken into account, and the present self had no true knowledge of the outcome.

>>513357146
How much wealth does it take to have a life that is more good than bad?

>>513367797
>consent is meaningless because it’s entirely situational and reactive.
having dinner provided for you is not a "biological necessity" you can choose to not eat dinner and remain biologically fine.
Fact is that the compulsive gambler provided informed consent, he knew he most likely wouldn't win and still went through with the action.
Regret is not a revocation of informed consent.

>>513356209 (OP)
Kys and let the rest live our lifes in peace

>>513356209 (OP)
Reproduction is acceptable with fox women because it makes more fox women.

>>513356209 (OP)
>Types our this bullshit instead of killing yourself
Not good for your argument.

>>513356209 (OP)
Reproduction is the oldest cope.

>>513356209 (OP)
>Wah wah my life sucks
Then kill yourself and shut up you whiny faggot.
>wah wah life sucks life is pain but noo I don't want to unexist myself! I like goyslop and netflix too much!
Then shut your whore mouth you fucking moron.

>>513368296
It is a biological necessity.
If you don’t eat you will suffer from discomfort and hunger, missing one meal is not so severe of course but it is a biological need.

It’s like holding my pee, I can do it but I need to pee eventually.
It’s also not a moral question, but a needs based one.
Why did I miss dinner? Likely for some external reason not a moral one.

And why doesn’t the future outcome matter? How much information constitutes being “informed”?

If I just tell you the odds are “good” is that the same as an exact numerical breakdown of the odds? And is that in turn the same as forcing you to attend an introduction to statistics course before you can even gamble? Even then is that truly informed?


100% information is only possible with future knowledge thus the consent of the future self is important, yet ignored?

In another case, imagine someone asks you to please kill them, is it moral to do so? Perhaps they will change their mind in the future. Before you consider that, if they have already forfeited their life to my will, they effectively relinquish all power over themselves to me do they not? In that respect could I not make them my slave instead as this would be of greater benefit to myself and thus increase overall happiness, especially as they have already given their consent to give their life to me.

>>513356209 (OP)
Every anti natalist who didnt an hero is a liar.

>>513370374
They are just ideological cowards who can’t admit their own self-interest and need to disguise it under moral arguments.

There isn’t anything fundamentally wrong with just wanting to prioritize yourself, and every society needs some people like this anyway, so why bother with the ideological misdirection?

The alternative is a fox-grapes scenario where they hate what they can’t attain.

>>513356209 (OP)
This is the mental stage a society is in right before it gets a massive wave of non white immigration. Totally demoralised and disconnected from reality.

>>513370257
we were not speaking of the morality of dinner only the ability to consent.
"does anyone know that this dinner will kill me" is enough information to eat it or not.
risk is an inherent aspect of gambling and gambling is not a biological necessity so it is more than twice metaphysically removed from morality.
The future outcome matters because that is "God".
"God's will" is the effect of anything, the result.

I've thought about it a lot. for me personally, I will never have kids, but I don't think im an anti-natalist.
the people in my life that have had kids, when I reflect on my experience of it, didn't do anything wrong, aren't criminals or moral failures or anything like that.
I'm not even sure what I think of morality anymore, but I doubt the naive utilitarianism that most anti-natalists use, like (((benetar))).
it's like new atheism: the more you see that anti-natalism is promoted by kikes that don't believe in it themselves, the less plausible it becomes.

>>513357299
So life is worth living then. And you can still opt out. So shut the fuck up.

>>513356209 (OP)
The problem is most breeders aren't big on thinking. They arent' going to think about the future of their children. I've seen poor and wealthy parents absolutely fuck over their children. Most people think they're supposed to breed because they're supposed to breed, and think nothing of the consequences. It helps me to stop looking at humans as something above an animal. Humans are mostly mindless beasts that do creative things sometimes. Sit back, relax and watch them destroy themselves. I'm above reproduction, I'm here to indulge.

>>513371594
>It helps me to stop looking at humans as something above an animal.
>I've seen poor and wealthy parents absolutely fuck over their children.
>I'm above reproduction, I'm here to indulge.
The metaphysical concept of wealth is most important in your insinuation that humans are just animals so you will not reproduce(a basal function of your form, not metaphysical at all) and instead choose to "indulge" in the metaphysical unreality of "wealth".

>>513369266
Kill yourself JustPassingThrough.
KILL YOUR FUCKING SELF.
https://www.deviantart.com/noikincade67/art/Bubble-Pipe-MLP-Style-984463780

>>513371594
>Everyone else besides me is a mindless animal
Kek

>>513356209 (OP)
Your existence brings everyone around you constant pain, you should kill yourself you retarded nihilist faggot

>>513356209 (OP)
This thread has proven you right, op.

>>513361970
fml

>>513357164
>Have you never gotten sick? Have you never seriously hurt yourself? Has nobody ever been violent towards you? Has nobody ever emotionally hurt you? Furthermore, do you expect that to continue throughout your whole life? Do you expect not to feel pain and loss and loneliness that comes with losing close friends and family?
Yeah but so what? That stuff is all wildly outweighed by the good things in life. The only way to feel the pain of losing a loved one is to have a loved one in the first place, which is more than worth it.

>>513356209 (OP)
dont be a pussy
btw pain and suffering and misery make strong men

>>513356209 (OP)
You're right on it being immoral but not on basis of guaranteed pain/suffering/misery etc. That's all extra and highly subjective as well. The lack (and impossibility) of informed consent alone is enough to make it immoral.

>>513375209
As has been pointed out already, consent is a terrible moral principle. There are times where it's right to force people to do things directly against their will, like making kids go to school, and there are times where it's wrong to do things people consent to, like that guy in Germany who consented to being killed and eaten.

>>513375741
I base my morals on NAP and disagree with both of your examples. Doubly so in the former one since they had kids in the first place.

>>513374693
You were guaranteed a virgin wife and home if you worked hard and suffered. Today the only guarantee is suffering

>>513356209 (OP)
No, eat a dick you nihilistic piece of shit.

>>513376232
>NAP
That's also a terrible principle.
Consider this: Tribe A and Tribe B live on an island. Every night, a member from Tribe B murders a member of Tribe A and the next day Tribe A investigates and hangs the murderer. They also find that that no one in Tribe B is culpable in another member's crime.

Is Tribe A morally obligated to tolerate Tribe B's existence?

>>513356209 (OP)
>It's not ok to bring a nonconsenting sentient being into existence,
This is a nonsense statement.

If the being does not exist, there is no need to receive consent. In other words, it is not a moral principle that beings should first consent before being brought into existence. This is the law of the universe, the law of causality. It is absolute.

The jews have fucked your skull, boy. They've fucked it so hard, you can't even reason out basic premises. Sadly I cannot do anything to save you, your entire lineage will become extinct. My descendants will tell tales of you, anonymous 4chan polfaggot, as a warning to not let the jews brainfuck them.

>Do you agree? Can you give me a single reason why you think reproduction is acceptable,

Not only acceptable, absolutely necessary. Failure to teach natalism to children risks extinction.

>>513369266
Kill yourself JustPassingThrough.
KILL YOUR FUCKING SELF.
https://www.deviantart.com/noikincade67/art/Bubble-Pipe-MLP-Style-984463780

>>513375741
>making kids go to school
dubious, you must not have had a screaming retard in all your classes thanks to Bush.
>consented to being killed and eaten
consent not being a deciding moral factor in all cases doesn't mean that it is unimportant.

>>513377149
NAP obviously doesn't have to apply only on an individual-individual -basis
so the answer to your question in short is: Tribe A is obviously morally justified to defend not only themselves but also their tribe and they'd be wise to do so with extreme prejudice. I can't say anything about moral obligations to tolerate their existence since there clearly isn't enough information to conclude as is. Tribe B might not even have been sapient to begin with. Or who knows, maybe tribe B might've just been misled by the secret big nose tribe C all along.

>>513356209 (OP)
Ultimate kike cuck
Very low energy
Also very likely gay

>>513378655
>Tribe A is obviously morally justified to defend not only themselves but also their tribe and they'd be wise to do so with extreme prejudice
That would violate the NAP in the common sense. And if we no longer consider it wrong to use aggression against an individual who's done nothing wrong so long as it serves the tribe, then wouldn't it also be permissible to have children?
>Tribe B might not even have been sapient to begin with. Or who knows, maybe tribe B might've just been misled by the secret big nose tribe C all along.
Tribe B is sentient and there is no Tribe C.

>>513377149
once you've removed that group from existence what's stopping Tribe C from claiming to be the genocided Tribe B and soliciting Tribe D, who is much stronger than you, from righteously taking out Tribe A?

>>513379274
Has Tribe B heard of Jesus?

>>513356209 (OP)
CORRECT, YOU SHOULD NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE REPRODUCE.

>>513380520
reduced genetic diversity of the gene pool is not good for your existence.

>>513380704
THANKS, BUT I'LL PASS

YOU CAN CULTIVATE GENETIC DIVERSITY BACK IN ISRAEL, THOUGH

>>513381084
>I'll just keep following the guy who got my country decimated and killed 20 million europeans.
zionism is nazism.

>>513357354
>there cant be good feelings without bad feelings.
this a midwit take. there can definitely be good feelings without bad feelings. i don't need to have an understanding of the relative difference to enjoy feeling good.

>>513356209 (OP)
Nice try, Greenblatt. Nobody is fucking your ugly yentas.

>>513357779
>the people that have good lives are mostly richfags like me.
lmao... if you had a good life you wouldn't be on this board. straight up.

>>513356209 (OP)
Ok, don't have kids then. The rest of us will just not experience this failure mode.

>>513365325
Nope, exactly how it looked when I drove through it to Riga. And that wasn't even winter time. The fact that your antidepressant usage is not above the likes of Denmark or Norway is a testament to how incredibly stoic some of your manlier countrymen really are.

>>513383703
>this a midwit take. there can definitely be good feelings without bad feelings.
Which universe do you live in again, imbecile?
>i don't need to have an understanding of the relative difference to enjoy feeling good.
Scientifically disproven. The way human (and animal) minds work you absolutely can only tell the differences in a relative manner.

>>513356986
>you will make the world a better place for people like me.
well now that changes everything, not gonna do it now just to spite you and make the world a worse place for you
you just had to tell me that didn't you

>>513356209 (OP)
When people ask how anyone could be antisemitic you should just show them things like this

>>513356209 (OP)
From a secular perspective, I think that you are correct. From that angle, reproduction is a selfish endeavour that brings suffering upon another being for your own pleasure.

However, God has called all creatures to reproduce. That is His will and is why reproduction is good.

As for you, be fruitful and multiply;
Swarm on the earth and multiply in it.”
— Genesis 9:7