Thread 513383950

Is Eastern Orthodox Christianity the ultimate white pill? I left the Catholic church at 14 and have been nonreligious ever since. I recently started looking into the Orthodox church and returning to Christ and this seems like a no brainer. Evangelical and Protestant faggots need not reply.

>>513384138
So true. That's why we should practice Aryan paganism like our our aryan Hindu brothers.

>>513383950 (OP)
>Is Eastern Orthodox Christianity the ultimate white pill?
coptic.

>>513384138
American opinions only Muhammad, thank you

>>513383950 (OP)
Catholicism is pretty fucked from what I can see, but I can't tell if Orthodoxy isn't.

>>513383950 (OP)
Unless you embrace Russian ideologies of "live by the sword die by sword" and "come back home either with a shield or on a shield" and free Christianity out of cuck ideologies of "turn the other cheek", it will always remain christkikery.

Orthodox church is poisoned by the same cuckoldry as every other Christianity, in fact it takes it to a complete another level, complete indifference and acceptance of all struggle as a way to connection with god

>>513383950 (OP)
I think the wizard robes, art, and gizmos are cooler idk anything about the religion

>>513383950 (OP)
Yes, it's the Body of Lord Jesus Christ with the fullness of the Faith and an unbroken succession since the Apostles.

>>513383950 (OP)
Are you actually going to go to Mass or are you just going to follow a bunch of meme pages on Twitter?

>>513384987
It really never was meant to be a popular religion, and certainly not a state religion. It just resonated better with commoners than paganism ever did. And "live by the sword, die by the sword" isn't incorrect at all. How long does an average russoid last in Ukraine? Turn the other cheek refers to civilized men having a dispute that can be settled by law, not war. Christians aren't only not banned from fighting in self defense, but are even required to.

>>513385404
>unbroken succession since the Apostles
Any suggested reading on this?

Come home, friend
God bless you

>>513384624
It is, what made Christianity strong is remnants of pagan ideologies, total intolerance of clashing views and adaptability.
However what was once suppressed and channeled into spread and enforcement of Christian views is now completely gone and so Christianity evolved into open cuckoldry.

>>513383950 (OP)
Orthodoxy LAPRs are being based and trad but you can get divorced and use birth control
Catholicism is true, shit is bad right now but get over it

>>513385883
I doubt paganism made much of an influence in Church ideology. If you're referring to commoners, still doubtful, but the Church wasn't anything like it is now just a century ago.

>>513385883
Really, most of the things wrong with the world can be put on boomers. Boomer Vatican II, boomer sex revolution, boomer tolerance towards kikes (antisemitism used to be default), boomer anti-racism, simping, etc.

>>513384987
I do not think Christ ever preached against paganism. He was always preaching his way of life and that eternity is solely found on the path he walks. The anti-pagan element came from Europeans who must bring everything to a logical conclusion.

>>513386025
>but you can get divorced
Catholics should too for infidelity. Jesus outright said so, yet Catholics for some reason have to get cucked.
>birth control
This is a funny one. Catholics support NFP (Natural Family Planning). You can fuck her on infertile days, but God will judge you if you put on a condom. Give me a break dumbass KEKTHOLICS!

>>513386290
He used pagans as an example of supposedly bad people that anyone hearing him could compare themselves to if they're selfish and only help their own. "Aren't pagans like this also?"

>>513386340
Stop being a gay contrarian LARPer

>>513386480
I'm formally Catholic but it's bullshit and Catholic Magisterium is retarded.

Trad Cath and Ortho are the whitest pills imaginable...total kike and shitsk8n death are central tenants

>>> Christcuck
Pagan LARP faggot or kikes, everytime

>>513386525
Don't care, papacy and filioque are true, cope and seethe, simple as

>>513386586
Not complaining about that.

>>513383950 (OP)
>should I worship a Jew?
No
>this seems like a no brainer
Yes, that is something some with no brain would do

>>513386025
Needlessly antagonizing each other is stupid.

>>513383950 (OP)
>Is Eastern Orthodox Christianity the ultimate white pill?
They marry Negros to Whites.

>>513386886
Polaks are just white negroes anyway. Tore down that magnificent palace in Warsaw yet? It mogs you white niggers so hard that the only thing you polaken can think if is destruction when you see it. Embarrassing people. Slavs in general are. And no, I'm not slaveoid.

>>513386060
>>513386290
Most if not everything about Christianity was molded by paganism and enforced by beheadings, a lot traditions, celebrations etc take root in pagan rituals, with big difference of making them far more "cucked" or as you say civilized.
>Anti-paganism
>I am son of god, comply or drown / lose head / burn alive / get crucified
>>513386561
>Trad Cath and Ortho
>Practiced by the blackest niggers and shitskins
>Practiced by the brownest europeans and snowniggers

Christ is the only way to salvation, not the church. Both the catholic and orthodox institutions are filled with lies and human doctrine.

>>513387518
>Most if not everything about Christianity was molded by paganism
Back that claim up, please.

>>513383950 (OP)
All branches of Christianity are more similar then they are different. For every corrupt Catholic priest there is a corrupt Orthodox priest. One difference is that Orthodox are more of a government shills, so there are clashes between Orthodox church from different countries. The reason people are flocking to Orthodoxy nowadays is because it's new, 'masculine' and 'traditional'. If you think that Orthodox church will help you join it, but think about this if God is real and merciful would he really care if you were Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox?

>>513388005
Don't take slavs too seriously.

t. not a slav

>>513383950 (OP)
I'm not even pro-Christian, but yes.
Looks like Orthodox Christianity is the best Christianity has to offer.

>>513383950 (OP)
You were in the correct place, OP - Go back to a Catholic Church, one that practices the TLM. I almost made the same mistake as you - God stopped me by going to Rome and seeing what Catholicism truly is.

>>513388669
There's like 3 Tridentine Masses in all of Croatia. I'm close to one, but imagine not being. Cucktholicism is on its death bed.

>>513383950 (OP)
I believe the orthodox Christian church would be one of the last standing during a great apostasy, so it's not a bad place to be, but as the other anon said, you yourself need to have the right relationship with Christ; to know and trust He is the way, the truth and the life - that in His great majesty, He is our eternal Lord and Saviour because you are the temple for the Holy Spirit, and THAT needs to stand forever, regardless of churches falling away - because in the end, we won't need a church when we are with the Lord. God bless OP and all Christian brothers and sisters in the thread.

>>513388758
I don't for one second believe that the One, True, Holy, and Apostolic Church will fail, for that would make Jesus Christ a liar.

>>513388877
It will just be in the death bed for a long while. As good as dead.

>>513388949
So are each and every one of us without Christ.

>>513385455
Such is the case for morons.

>>513389004
Dust to dust my leaf in Christ.

>>513389076
I have no hope in this world, brother, only the next.

>>513383950 (OP)
They literally lost Constantinople, kek

>>513389142
Me neither, but it doesn't stop me from enjoying it.

>>513383950 (OP)
Orthodox are cynical about the trad bros theyre seeing lately, you'll have to prove yourself to be taken seriously.

>>513383950 (OP)
sorry but no
you just like it because it's on the side of "le based trad russians"
you are picking your religious institution based on your own racism and political ideology

>>513389457
No I like it because they don't recognize Israel and its people as tHe cHosEn OnEs like faggot Evangelical boomers, they don't recognize the pope's legitimacy (Vatican is a globohomo ticking time bomb), and they give Saints the respect they deserve without screeching "IDOLATRY" like Catholics do while they sweep another child sex scandal under the rug. God bless you!

>>513387861
Christ cannot be dissociated from His body, which is the Church.
>>513388794
Blessed post

>>513389457
>you are picking your religious institution based on your own racism and political ideology
Thats based

>>513383950 (OP)
Imagine if the vatican was turned into a mosque and then wanting to convert to catholicism

>>513383950 (OP)
No, that's the black pill.

>>513383950 (OP)
If you think being in the "correct" denomination within this world political system, you haven't read the Bible properly.

theravada buddhism is the true aryan religion

>>513388005
I can't be arsed so feel free to call me larper and sperg out about never seen before concept of god the father god the son and god the holy spirit (mother, crane, maiden)
Crucifixion, spear stab and resurrection for redemption (Odin, spear stab, hanging on a tree)
Celebrate your exclusive and original Christmas, easter, Halloween, valentine, may day.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_paganism
>>513388207
Tp answer you previous question, average Russian lives far longer than average Ukrainian, even mercenaries have longer live expectancy than Ukrainians because they refuse to carry out retarded orders / never get one the in the first place
Azov and other supposedly natsoc forces in Ukraine may sell you an idea of long live span but they are used as a solution to every problem, meaning they have very high turnover of volotroons.

But it is a war and our side is corrupt, you can get giga unlucky and be sent to attack particularly retarded positions because some kike in command needs something to avoid reprimands

>>513384624
You could just shill for richard Williamson's disciples. The difference between Orthodoxy and Catholicism is deeper than just muh based chants. The Dogma's are entirely different and if you're changing your religion without that in mind, it will not be true belief

>>513390212
Sorry, anon. No sola scriptura here. Only the Truth.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SupbUeLMVRo

>>513383950 (OP)
YES

>>513383950 (OP)
Good luck. Personally I don't like to kiss pictures or to pretend that my priest has more authority than God's word. I also cant stand the Eastern mysticism that that orthbros use a means of trying to avoid explain their beliefs.

>>513389770
>they don't recognize Israel and its people as tHe cHosEn OnEs
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>513390606
No sola scriptura , because every local priest has more authority than God and can make things up on the fly to suit their needs. Based. How many pictures do you make out with daily? Just curious.

>>513391360
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4aqY-UdOMo&list=WL

>>513390389
This is the way of a monk and was not made for a layman

>>513391105
I should have clarified the modern STATE of Israel.

>>513391710
Which is the same as ancient Israel

>>513391481
So dumb. Christians came together and put all the inspired text into the book. I don't dispute that. I dispute that orthbros and roman catholics fail to resect God's word when it suit their needs. The Bible is the rule book that we all agreed on long ago. Also there were scriptures before 369, they just weren't all in a collection that every church had.

>>513391943
Absurdly wrong.

>>513392020
It's not been 32 minutes yet.

>>513389238
It's not without reason, though. There are too many examples of
>Received as a catechumen on Sunday
>Label everyone a heretic on Monday
to not notice. All that's really needed is to extend the period of catechesis for those mentioned.

>>513392163
I know the argument, bro. I would recommend you watch the many debates on this topic. You didn't answer my question. How many pictures to you make out with daily?

Here's a vid for you that you might find informative so that you can get rid of you misconceptions about sola scriptura.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjkUibWvOJg&ab_channel=GavinOrtlund

>>513392576
Then being as well read as you are, you wouldn't mind watching a 32 minute video.
I'm attempting to explain my beliefs, which you accused us of not doing.

>>513392762
You kiss the icons and your priest are allowed to disregard the bible as the see fit. The only check to their power is if other priests find out and don't agree. Tell me how I'm wrong. Then I will show you a clip where Jay Dyer spergs out crying about his local priest has more authority than scripture.

>>513393295
*....Jay dyer spergs out, crying about how his local priest has more authority than scripture.

>>513383950 (OP)
Non independent church = bow to temporal power = don't bow to god

Just look how russian orthodox church support bombing white christian ukrainians

>>513383950 (OP)
Joining Orthodox or Catholic Christanity means giving up your sovereign Christian status. You have to be in full sync with the church.
I'm not sure it's based, or if this is a low effort advertisement.

>>513393295
It's still not been 32 minutes.
If you won't even grant my position that much, then how much can I expect from any conversation.
I know you give more authority to scripture. Our position is that the very notion is in question, because, for one, by your own standards you accept said scripture from heretics.

>>513383950 (OP)
Christcucks get the rope

>>513394086
Did you watch my vid. It's shorter and answers your perceived problem with sola scriptura. You should think about what you said. We don't claim that scripture is the only rule in the church but it is the only infallible authority. You don't own the early Church. So no I don't accept scripture from heretics.

>>513394646
But the early Church taught true presence in the eucharist, baptismal regeneration, and the church organization of deacons, priests and bishops goes certainly as far back as the Didache in the first century.
If these things were thought of as given by the early Church, then how could the interpretations by the reformers be true, and how would they not be heretics according to said interpretations?

>>513395208
the early church had theological diversity, even in the new testament we see debates over practices (circumcision in Acts 15, meat sacrificed to idols in 1 Cor 8)
not every tradition held by early Christians was universally binding or apostolic in origin.
some early Christians did hold to beliefs like the real presence or a threefold ministry, but were these apostolic mandates or later developments?
the didache reflects early practices but doesn't carry the same authority as scripture, the reformers sought to return to the explicit teachings of the Bible even when they conflicted with post-apostolic tradition.
if a doctrine isn't clearly taught in scripture (baptismal regeneration, sacerdotal priesthood) then later tradition doesn't make it binding. the jerusalem council in Ccts 15 appealed to scripture and the Spirit's guidance, not just tradition to settle disputes. the reformers followed this principle by correcting doctrines they saw as extra-biblical additions, aiming to restore the apostolic faith as revealed in God's Word.

>>513396378
If the reformers merely wanted to stick to what is in the bible as per the apostles, then why choose the post-Christ Masoretic text over the Septuagint quoted by St. Paul for the Old Testament?

>>513383950 (OP)
orthodox christians are killing each other right now

>>513383950 (OP)
I'd go with Gnosticism.
Old test god is weak demon playing with his corrupt creation, everyone is NPC, you are chosen one with an actual soul trapped in material world. Christ is still cool though. Seem legit.

The idea that everyone had it wrong for more than a millennium but that Martin Luther (pbuh) revealed the true word of Christ to everyone after a thousand years of wandering in darkness is so intuitively and obviously ludicrous
Be Orthodox or Catholic, anons.

>>513396923
based

>>513383950 (OP)
Yes, worshipping a kike rabbi Jebbsus is a good idea and is le based. Yeah. All this ortho proests have such nice drips. That gotta make worshipping a kike based. Somehow.

>>513396815
utilizing the MT over the LXX wasn't an arbitrary thing, they prioritized it because
1: Jesus and the apostles treated the hebrew text as authoritative (Matthew 5:18)
2: the masoretic traditions preserved the consonantal hebrew text meticulously, and modern archaeology like the DSS has largely affirmed its accuracy
3: where the LXX and hebrew disagree (jeremiah's structure, psalm numbering), the NT sometimes follows the LXX, but other times doesn't, this suggests the apostles used the LXX pragmatically, not dogmatically.

if we're appealing to the apostle's use of the LXX, consistency would require accepting its entire canon, including books like wisdom or sirach, which the apostles never explicitly quote as Scripture. yet even the catholic and orthodox traditions disagree on the canon. the reformers sought the original hebrew canon (jewish tanakh) because it was the benchmark Christ affirmed in Luke 24:44.

sola scriptura isn't about rejecting tradition wholesale but about prioritizing the oldest and most reliable texts. the reformers used the best available scholarship of their day, just as modern translations now incorporate the LXX and DSS where evidence warrants. our goal is the same as the apostle's fidelity to God's Word as originally given, not just the textual traditions that developed later.

>>513389457
>le based trad russians
It still amazes me how some american christcucks have some weird idea that society here is "le based" and "le trad". . You just have no idea how hillarious this is to someone that lives in russia or at least knows russian

>>513396951
luther and calvin affirmed the early creeds (apostles', nicene) and core doctrines like the trinity, Christ's divinity, and the resurrection.
their critique was specific traditions that contradicted Scripture (indulgences, papal infallibility) or lacked biblical warrant (purgatory, priestly celibacy as mandatory)
even the catholic church admits past corruptions needed reform, which was part of what the council of trent was about.
the difference is whether reform should happen within tradition or by submitting tradition to scripture.

the idea that no one questioned medieval catholicism for 1000 years is silly.
long before luther you had john wycliff (1320s), jan hus (1415) the waldensians (12th century).
eastern orthodoxy itself rejected medieval catholic innovations (filoque, papal supremacy, purgatory)

if everyone had it right for a millennium, why do catholics and orthodox disagree on key issues like
>pope's authority (rejected by orthodoxy for 1000+ years)
>filoque (added to the creed after the early church)
>the immaculate conception (only dogmatized in 1854)
the reformers didn't create division, they exposed existing disagreements and sought to return to the earlier sources, scriptures and patristic consensus.
it's not about luther being a prophet, but about the church's duty to continually reform (Revelation 2-3, Christ commands even faithful churches to repent.)
when Jesus cleansed the temple, He didn't say "respect 1500 years of tradition!" He restored God's house to its original purpose. the reformers aimed to do the same with the church.

>>513397586
The apostles never quote Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ecclesiastes, and the Song of Solomon either. Why would we not discard those books as well if being explicitly quoted is the standard?
And pointing out that the Orthodox and Catholics disagreeing on minutiae of the canon is not a very good argument. It's to subject us to a standard which we do not accept to begin with, nor did the early Church.
>>513398202
>if everyone had it right for a millennium, why do catholics and orthodox disagree on key issues like
The Orthodox have never deviated from what the early Church taught. The reformation builds their heresy upon those original heresies. Now everyone's a little Pope and thus we get tens of thousands of little denominations that often reflect early Church heresies.

>>513389799
>looked up quote in pic, fully expecting it to be fake
>it's real
what the heck???
???
that's crazy.
>>513398748
they didn't quote every OT book, but they DID affirm the jewish canon's authority (Luke 24:44, "law, prophets, psalms")
the books you listed were universally recognized in the hebrew tanakh, the same canon Jesus endorsed.
by contrast, the deuterocanonical books (tobit, maccabees, etc) were never part of the hebrew scripture and were disputed even in the early church (jerome opposed their inclusion)
the standard isn't "quoted by apostles" but "recognized by the covenant community to which Christ appealed"
if we discard books based on apostolic citations alone, you're right that's absurd and we'd lose half hte OT.
but if we follow the jewish canon Christ affirmed, we have a consistent standard.
>orthodox/catholic disagreements are minutiae
if "minutiae" can split the church for 1000 years then the reformers' critiques of indulgences or justification can't be dismissed as petty. either tradition is fallible and reformable, or every division proves all sides strayed from the apostles.
>orthodox have never deviated from what the early Church taught
1: icons. these weren't universeally saccepted until after the 7th century
2: theosis. while Biblical, its technical formulations (essence/energies distinction) came centuries later
3: canon. pic
>protestantism's 40,000 popes
all historic protestants agree on sola fide, sola scriptura, and the nicene creed.
even within your traditions, theologians disagree (thomism vs molinism in catholicism, rigorists vs economia in orthodoxy)
the difference is we submit all traditions to Scripture, like the bereans did in Acts 17:11

>>513383950 (OP)
Went to an orthodox service. I left hungry and bored, and my feet were aching. Do not recommend.

>>513400018
based

>>513399845
The disagreements over scriptural canon are minutiae, I did not claim that the Papal heresies that actually caused the schism, or those that arose later, are.
And again, I don't see how the scriptural canon can be infallible if the very Church tradition that spawned it is fallible. Which we can be fairly certain it is, especially with regard to the Masoretic Text because as Justin Martyr notes in Dialogue with Typho, the jews were already scrubbing their books of prophecies about Christ soon after the founding of the Church. Referring to those in the Deuterocanon.
Fallible collection of infallible books cannot stand.

>>513400018
>I left hungry and bored, and my feet were aching
Doesn't sound too bad considering Christ died for me.

>>513399845
>what the heck???
>???
>that's crazy.
He is the Way, the Truth and the Life after all

>>513401330
can you really claim canon debates are minutiae while admitting papal heresies caused schisms?
the canon is what counts as God's Word, if that's negotiable, so is every doctrine built on it.
even trent's canon wasn't dogmatic until protestants rejected the deuterocanon.

Christ promised the Spirit would guide the Church into truth (John 16:13), not that councils would be infallible. the canon wasn't "created" by the church but recognized through its apostolic foundation.
augustine said "i would not believe the gospel unless moved by the authority of the church" yet still rejected maccabees as non-canonical.

you're right justin does claim jews excised Christological passages from ezra/jeremiah, but he admits these verses still existed in some synoguge copies in his day.
no early Christians besides justin references these lost texts, not origin, jerome, or even hostile critics like celsus
the dead sea scrolls confirm the masoretic text's stability, no missing Christological prophecies appear in older hebrew manuscripts.

justin's charge is dubious because he misattributes the "lamb led to slaughter" quote to jeremiah (it's from Isaiah 53:7)
isaiah 53:7 is intact in 150 BC DSS manuscripts.
even if some jews corrupted some texts, Christ and the apostles never accused them of this.

if an infallible magisterium is required, why didn't Christ establish one? instead he gave us
1: scripture's self-attestation (2 Timothy 3:16, 2 Peter 1:21)
2: the berean model (Acts 17:11)
3: no command to submit to extra-biblical traditions (Colossians 2:8 warns against it)

Christ rebuked the pharisees for not recognizing Scripture's authority (Matthew 22:29, John 5:39) but they had no infallible magisterium.
how could God hold them accountable for knowing Isaiah was scripture if an infallible church is required to define the canon?
if the pharisees could discern canon without a magisterium, why can't Christians?

>>513403001
Your quote mining presupposes sola scriptura as does your exhasperation about scriptural canon as minutiae.
I could similarly claim that John 5:39 rebukes it, and I'm sure you've heard it before.
Both Orthodoxy and Catholicism have always maintained that scriptural canonicity is a matter of their importance, as there are many texts that are authoritative though not explicitly in the canon. Such as the Didache mentioned above, as are Shepherd of Hermas, and the Epistles of Ignatius.
There are of course books we would never discard such as the Gospels themselves, but scripture is as much of a liturgical text as it is a tool for weeding out heresy.
But our main argument would always be that the Holy Spirit guides the Church in these matters through apostolic succession, and it's not like we claim all councils are infallible. Which is why a protestant can never accept it, because it would totally undermine the reformation position. From there it's only a matter of looking where the early Church teachings remain.

>>513383950 (OP)
Yes.

Orthodoxy is the one true Church. It also has the most philosophically rigorous and consistent doctrine of any religion or theology, ever.

Orthodox Russia in the 19th century was one of the most powerful cultural juggernauts ever. Their literature, art, and music are some of the most beautiful and incredible works of art humanity has ever seen, if you take the time to listen to and read Orthodox Russian artists they are truly a spiritually enlightened people.

That is one of the key reasons why the Bolshevik Jews targeted them and genocided millions of Orthodox Christians prior to the Holohoax. This targeted destruction of Orthodoxy by jews is also why the Orthodox Church never cucked out like the Catholic Church and Protestants after the Holohoax. Vatican 2 objectively destroys any legitimacy the Catholics had. Orthodox Christianity has never bent the knee to worldly social pressure asking you to feel bad for the jews, which is how you know they are the True Church (gates of hell have never prevailed against them)

>>513384138
Applying the modern label of "jew" to Christ and early Christians is intentional misdirecting propaganda created by modern Jewry which is rabbinic in origin/nature (post Christian). Rabbinic Judaism was founded by the killers of Jesus (Pharisees) who's main texts (The Masoretic Torah and Talmud) were created centuries after Christianity. Their entire foundation was based on rejecting Christianity and opposing Christ; part of their strategy to do this is to falsely equate themselves with the "Jewish" people that Christ and the Apostles were associated with. By doing this, they try to establish a fake legitimacy and prestige among Christians in order to make them easier to subvert. Textbook stuff.

I used to be an atheist LARPagan tard before Orthodoxy by the way, because it's true that all modern non-Orthodox Christian sects are fallen and gay.

>>513402276
Grandma?

>>513384379
>That's why we should practice Aryan paganism
Do you really like dancing around wooden dicks?

>>513383950 (OP)
its the true church and its filled with wisdom. but i dont like how they try to bend over backwards to shoehorn in the old testament, i like the approach the cathars had

>>513383950 (OP)
Be Lutheran in your theological understanding but have the aesthetics and culture of Russian Orthodoxy.

>>513402975

>Meanwhile 1,500 years of slavery both all, in terms of serfdom, and also literally in name, as the fruit of that particular tree.

Praise Athena, Goddess of the republics. Where would would be without her teaching people to actually think rationally.

>Nothing but a bunch of barbaros, who take turns enslaving each other, while living like parasites off the hard work of people who actually work, while the christians whip themselves saying how guilty they are for enjoying life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OACSI6KpWzU

>>513404860
What ways do they try to "shoehorn" the O.T.?

>>513404860
Reading the actual Old Testament (Septuagint) in the Orthodox Bible (not the jewish Masoretic version Protestant retards use and share with Rabbinic Jews) is actually one of the most eye-opening things you can possibly do.

The actual OT is a book full of:
>non-jewish priests and people of God being favored for their spiritual virtue over jews
>ancient jews being constantly punished and rebuked for evil behavior and shown as ignorant and rebellious as they reject and kill most of their prophets
>dozens direct, undeniable prophecies predicting Christ exactly centuries in advance
>a clear and undeniable reference to the Christian Trinity and multiple persons in a united Godhead before it was ever fully elucidated with Christ

One of the most prominent and constantly repeating lessons of the Old Testament is that we are meant to be sojourners in this world for the Kingdom to come in the next world, and jews constantly get punished for confusing this lesson as they think material wealth and land and possessions is supposed to be what they get instead. Literally the entire basis of Zionism is refuted over and over again in the OT.

"Jews" as an ethnic group in the OT are not special or superior, they do not get priority by God, their only actual purpose is to eventually spawn Jesus Christ on Earth through an extremely specific genealogical line, at a time in which they'd be at the center of an empire with widespread writing and literacy allowing the Christian Church to become successful, at which point the relevance of jews as an ethnic group is erased. Modern "Jewish" people are pretenders in every sense of the word.

>>513388877
Jesus would never accept the catholoic church as his word bride as they are the harlot who beds themselves with pagan religions. Mixing their cup with different wines making all you faggot drunk on it

>>513404661
And yet mar mari feigned losing his eye which so healed perfectly... truly wonderful and not at all representing the one eye 33 masonic scottish right. Also how he and you other priest goes to wail at the wall over 6gorbillion and 6 banzillion and 6thousand dead holohoax jooz.

Surely no wrong in muh orthodoxy boxy. Stupid nigger

>Blesses Stalin, Lenin statues
>Blessing nukes that aren't even real.
>Former KGB
>Saying the "UNVAXXED GO TO HELL!"
>secretly practicing Gnosticism

Yeah I'm thinking the Russian Church is more Left wing that even the Catholics one so good luck rejecting the bible for church larping.

lol >>513396923 told you

lol >>513404661 typical Soviet trained inversion of history/reality for a Western audience. The modern Russian church are the murders of real Russian Orthodoxy because it's staffed with KGB/FSB and supports Putin.

This is why Ukraine had to shut down churches because they're not even real churches. They're Soviet military fronts hiding on holy ground.

>>513407125
> typical Soviet trained inversion of history/reality for a Western audience. The modern Russian church are the murders of real Russian Orthodoxy because it's staffed with KGB/FSB and supports Putin.

I specifically cited 19th century Russian Orthodoxy, which is why it was targeted by Bolshevik Jews.

I can't speak too much on modern Orthodox Church in Russia today. But it's also interesting to note that the Ukrainian churches that were "shut down" were targeted by Jew Zelensky under the propaganda line that they were hecking Russian ops, but in reality this is a pattern much more reminiscient of jewish targeting of Orthodoxy throughout history.

>>513384138
Jesus wasn't a jew.

Back to Khazar with you Edomite.

>>513384379
learn to recognize pajeet threads. learn to stop giving (You)s, which end up as rupees, to OPs like this. jews pay pajeets to spam this board en masse with the same globohomo agenda that you're still associating with only jews. since 2023 you are much more likely to see jew noise posted by a pajeet. there are a hundred times as many pajeets as there are jews. if you want any part of the internet to survive, you must detect, reject and redeem pajeets everywhere you find them

>>513384462
>pajeet doesn't know muslims can't blaspheme prophet jesus
good morning saar
i'll be redeeming the thread
please carry on blathering about christianity with a bunch of sneaky pajeets, don't mind me

>>513407243
What's more interesting is that while Zelensky was globally condemned for shutting down those FSB run churches ON HOLY GROUND, they ignored the fact that these modern Soviets were actively blowing up churches with people in them though-out Ukraine like they always do.

Weird.

the majority of pajeets on /pol/ try to hide the fact that they're pajeets. in addition to "leaving that part out" they will proactively, persistently misrepresent their true form. pajeets are all about assuming other people's roles, from today's outsourcing and replacement migration all the way back to thuggee bandits lying to travelers about who they were. pajeets are devoid of their own identity, making them the ideal globalized goyim. they don't want a home where they belong. all that means to them is "compete in squalor." much better to go somewhere nicer, built by other people, and do their jobs for less pay and live slum-barracks life in their suburbs. pajeets don't want to be home. they also don't want to be pajeets. jews know exactly how to play their insecurities and dopey ambitions like the innocent rube fresh off the bus from the cornfield. this is their new golem to replace the ones that don't love them anymore

boy i tell you what
there a one miracle jesus can't perform
he can't turn a pajeet into an american

when in doubt, try this
CLINICAL TEST QUESTION
>are you descended from south asian subcontinental ancestry?
any answer longer than "no" means yes
not answering means yes
lying means yes

>>513383950 (OP)
How about we stop worshipping Yahweh (the patron god of Israel) please and thank you.

pajeets have been transplanted all over the world in unbelievable numbers. the plan is to homogenize all countries into a single mass of interchangeable, predictable, suggestible consumers whose only loyalty is to the elite and their system of puppetry. motivated not by heritage or ideology (despite all portrayals to the contrary), but by paltry shares of wealth and status in a materialistic world order in which everyone belongs equally everywhere and nowhere

EVERY PAJEET SAYS≈≈≈
>$45T stolen by britain ≈ abrahamic/desert/yahweh ≈ actually jews are cool ≈ age of consent ≈ AI singularity/waifu ≈ aryan ≈ booba/sexo/would ≈ built for bbc ≈ can't breed ≈ ceo doctor technology ≈ chang seething ≈ cherry picking ≈ christcucks ≈ consent is a western concept ≈ daily reminder ≈ eglin afb is behind it ≈ faustian spirit ≈ full sapport for israel ≈ good morning ≈ help i'm fucking indian help me ≈ household income ≈ human capital ≈ hypergamy/[incel noises] ≈ i can pass for xyz ≈ indo-[whatever] ≈ [janny application] ≈ jidf is behind it ≈ model immigrants ≈ mom/sister on onlyfans ≈ कुछ भी महत्वपूर्ण नहीं है ≈ [other ethnicity] is guilty of [pajeet thing] ≈ paganism is your real heritage ≈ [redditor noises] ≈ rent free ≈ [report snitch squeal] ≈ saar ≈ send bobs/vagene ≈ slave morality ≈ stem skill issue ≈ super gay cock crazy ≈ thanks for the rupees jidf ≈ that's a paki ≈ timmy/timmies ≈ trvth nvke ≈ voted for it ≈ where are the jannies ≈ where should i move ≈ whiter than you ≈ why are white women white people like this ≈ you need us ≈ you will be extinct ≈ you won't do shit ≈ you worship xyz ≈ zindabad

all pajeets are working for jews, including the ones who perform antisemitism and say all the things they learned to say on /pol/. they are also serving the jew agenda. how? by speaking english and living in everyone else's countries. spectre, multiculturalism, mass migration, kalergi plan. don't even bother acting like pajeets oppose jews in any way. they support jews simply by their nature, by crowding into every opening gatekeepers offer them to enter the west and degrade it

the cloth was open and bobs appeared
the candles blew and vagene appeared
the curtains flew and then he appeared
saying hello dear

come on baby (and she had no fear)
and she ran to him (and she was white)
they looked backward and said goodbye
(she had become like they are)
she had taken his hand (hepatitis A)
come on baby (don't fear pajeeter)

where ya goin pajeets
we need to make sure people notice
Yet Another Pajeet Shill Department
>christianity d&c
this is a subdivision of anti-christianity inc. it's the same jewish alinsky faggotry they try to pull in every other arena
>north vs south
>urban vs rural
>spic vs anglo
>niggers vs anybody please remember niggers
>capitalists vs communists
>trannies vs phobes
ALL THIS SHIT IS JUST PAJEETS PRETENDING TO BELONG HERE.
it's all day, every day, the whole fucking board. fucking endless pajeets

>>513383950 (OP)
orthodox christianity is sort of legit however if you have issues with catholicism you might want to look into what those issues are because a lot of protestant faggots are converting to orthodoxy because they want to be catholic without being catholic and are frankly making the orthodox church look very bad

> christianity d&c = anti-christianity
only a few specific groups have the time or inclination to spam anti-christianity so frequently. one of these groups (pajeets) is much more numerous and less qualified than the others

here's some similar pajeet bullshit so you know i didn't just fall off the roof of the bus yesterday

>>513386525
I really do get confused by people that intensely hate catholicism but yet belong to a church that is basically 98% the same and constantly bitch about alleged contradictions and technicalities instead of shit that's actually explicit. This is why people are calling new young orthodox converts proto-protestants

basically pajeets follow in the footsteps of jews and try to sow discord among whatever groups might conceivably threaten the jew agenda. they've been tampering with christianity like there's no tomorrow. only the american government rivals the amount of vandalistic jewrot sustained by christianity

>>513386525
yeah lets just all believe whatever the fuck we want and make our own interpretations of what doctrine is and misquote fathers and saints to justify my heresy and there's nothing anyone can do about it

>>513409617
no see post and read thread >>513407125

EXPOSING THE KGB ACTIVATED BOT: >>513410080

>>513407125
Most Ukiedoxy in the old UOC-MP (Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate)) seem hesitant to have anything to do with the uncanonical and likely-CIA operation called the newly formed OCU (Orthodox Church of Ukraine) despite it being Russian, I'd guess simply because it's not Orthodox, preferring to instead do worship service outside the Churches that have been taken from them by Zelensky.
While the Moscow Patriarchate is not without due criticism, and is certainly not above being used for Russian geopolitical goals, what's happening in Ukraine now is untenable with the Church, and simply a terrible government program solution.
Though, I'm open to Ukrainian input if there is anyone here to give it.

>8/iKNbHD
jeet derangement syndrome

>>513409617

I think it's mainly because Orthodox doesn't have a shitlib pope

Pope Francis has done damage to Catholicism that will take at least a generation to fix

>>513410435
judging the entire religion based on the sitting popes personal politics is fucking retarded especially regarding a religion thats fundamentally as liberal as it could possibly get

>>513383950 (OP)
No.

>>513410210
>While the Moscow Patriarchate is not without due criticism
He's a fucking KGB billionaire. They killed the Russian church and are wearing their blood soaked garments and pretending to be them while operating military units on holy ground.

>The CIA created original Orthodoxy of the Russ.
lol, like I said >>513407125 typical Soviet inversion. Meanwhile Moscow destroys ancient churches while hitting civilian targets.

>>513410435
Popes are unbiblical

>>513408018
Denounce the Qur’an.
Just copy and paste this: I denounce the Qur’an.

>>513393018
Christ is King.

>>513383950 (OP)
My wife has been going thru a whole "I think I wanna be Catholic arc" because of fucking Candace Owens the last few months. Last week, I showed her a random 3minute clip of an Orthodox priest saying something about how silly normies are to pray to God like he's Santa instead of just exercising serenity and silence in his presence.

She was very quiet during that video and that night. The next day, she's telling me how she wants to find an Orthodox church now lmao. So that's where we're at currently

>>513412372
Things that never happened.

>>513412580
It did tho. Here is that video

https://youtu.be/KRXX6_dJFQI?si=OhYa_BY-ina-z8by

>>513383950 (OP)
youre a larper. if you want to larp as a greek or russian or lebanese go for it just know its a very foreign religion and the churches are mostly social clubs for ethnic diaspora. you will never be one of them. youre a larper.

>>513383950 (OP)
In Eastern Orthodox tradition, Jesus' blood atonement is mystical and incarnational. In evangelical churches it is more of a penal substitution because Jesus' blood buys your way out of punishment. I find that the juridical view fits better with biblical teaching. For instance the New Testament warns against eating blood, yet Catholics teach the eucharist incarnates into actual blood through magic. Something doesn't fit.

>>513411920
You don't get it.
The OCU was formed uncanonically, against Church Law, in 2019. In a manner as if Canada suddenly declared one of the states of the US independent.
The situation is less than ideal, but it goes to show that Orthodoxy is not without its principles even in crisis.

>>513384407
This guy knows

For me it's Judeo Christianity. The best of both worlds. Brothers in arms

>>513412644
Lying is a sin anon. Your fake wife is attracted to Communism in silk robes.


>>513412822
>it goes to show that Orthodoxy is not without its principles even in crisis
The Orthodoxy is uncanonical because it was a reformation under the Soviets and is controlled by them today.
That is like if Protestants were really Muslims the whole time.
>nb4 they were


THE PATRIARCH = Western Stations KGB boomer having gnostic sex orgies in the 1970's demoralization of the West scene the Soviets pushed.

Just like Dugin and Putin. Birds of a feather.

>>513413333
Russia is not the only Orthodox patriarchate, anon.
And Kiril is not a pope, nor is any patriarch.

>>513413333
>THE PATRIARCH = Western Stations KGB boomer having gnostic sex orgies in the 1970's demoralization of the West scene the Soviets pushed.
Correction: Western stationed KGB who were there to spread demoralization and occultism during the 1960s and 70s. Hence where you get your Varg types supporting Putin and screaming death to America after being caught killing someone. Another agent.

(((Christ))) is King!

>>513383950 (OP)
Yea but it's a lived experienced, you're not Orthodox if you do not have the Orthodox faith, say the same creed with your Orthodox brothers every Sunday and pray in community, in one mind, one spirit having each other in brotherly love before God and only the Orthodox are allowed to take the Communion, non Orthodox are ejected from the Church at that stage.

Everything in this religion is built around the personal relationship with God, who's deeply personal and who's personal acts (energies) are experiences constantly and in everything. The philosophy of it, the theology always starts from the Person of God, from the Revelation and everything coherent is built on top of that, this is why it could survive to 2025 and it did not fail for Western philosophical projects which ended up in the nihilism of today since they've started from abstract first principles of the isolated human mind and then only later tried to incorporate the language of the Revelation (often via faulty translations as well).

It's a religion that constantly keeps itself fresh for every generation, Greeks say the creed in the original form and they still say we believe on one One Catholi Church, without anyone, even the simplest person being confused about the terms, it's just a religion that convinces even the slowest person about the concept of univocity mistake, conceptual dinstinctions etc. Everyone can think about topics in multiple layers, you can use complex philosophical terms yet understand what concepts they point towards and not get confused.

Imagine going to a church that blesses missiles to blow up churches a few miles away. Imagine going to a church that blesses statues of the Communists who murdered Christians in mass. You call this a church?


>>513413556
The primate of the ROC is the patriarch of Moscow and all Rus' who is KGB Krilil.
And I'm not talking about Ethopian or Greeks, anon. I'm talking about the subject.

>>513409617
The Church is a hospital for the sick, those converts are usually very interested in studying the faith and over the years they literally change their mind and become zealous Orthodox in a very balanced way.

>>513405359
Extremely good post. My thoughts exactly.

The world is never the same after you discover the Orthodox church and start reading the Septuagint (400 BCE) and comparing it to the Lenin codex from the 11th century. Muh hebruw language was supposedly better, thought the "intellectuals" like Luther. Arrogant narcissists, that tried to outsmart 1500 years of church history.

Lutherism is THE man-made version.

>>513413905
>the Orthodox are allowed to take the Communion
I think you mean COMMUNISM. Everyone else is larping since you're the Soviet church.

>>513412372
wait until she finds out catholics pray the same way

sword from jesus's mouth
fowls eat the flesh of those slain by jesus
angel of the sun
beast and false prophet
white horses
jesus with a blood all over his vesture
four beasts worshipping god
24 elders worshipping god
7 churches (criticisms of them basically)
7 vials
jezebel
the whore of babylon
apollyon/abaddon

i just read the book of revelations
how do christians interpret all this?

>>513414325
book of revelation*

>>513414325
A priest who lives in the area told dogma.gr that the sword Christ is holding in the fresco is not one of war, but it is spiritual. The inscription on the left side of the fresco, when looking at it, indicates that it is a spiritual sword that "cuts" sin from man. The Lord had said, "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" (Matt. 10:34).

Christ's message was radical and uncompromising. It forces a choice, and this choice can create division—even within families—between those who follow Him and those who do not. The sword is therefore a symbol of this necessary, holy division, not of military conflict.

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. - Matthew 10:34

What sort of peace is it that Jesus asks them to pronounce upon entering each house? And what kind of peace is it of which the angels sing, “Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace”? And if Jesus came not to bring peace, why did all the prophets publish peace as good news? Because this more than anything is peace: when the disease is removed. This is peace: when the cancer is cut away. Only with such radical surgery is it possible for heaven to be reunited to earth. Only in this way does the physician preserve the healthy tissue of the body. The incurable part must be amputated. Only in this way does the military commander preserve the peace: by cutting off those in rebellion. Thus it was also in the case of the tower of Babel, that their evil peace was ended by their good discord. Peace therefore was accomplished. The Gospel of Matthew, Homily

John Chrysostom

>>513414199
>the Septuagint (400 BCE
Why would the Septuagint be written in Greek BEFORE Alexander the Great conquered Persia-Judea? Your dates are so off you might want to try learning about the history before playing with translations.

>>513414124
that's not exactly true because the seed that led them to orthodoxy was the pope and/or Catholicism itself so obviously that's not going to bloom into a zealous faith

>>513414878
Vacuous generalization based on a few internet nutjobs. Such unstable "converts" leave asap. Ask a bunch of priests and learn.

>>513384138
>"My parents were too lazy to take me to church and let a PS3 raise me instead"
fify

>>513394086
>>513394646
>watch my youtube slop!
>no you watch MY youtube slop!
hilarious

Reminder that if you're not vaxxed the Russian Church decreed you are commiting a mortal sin!


>>513415065
If you people weren't either Communists in "Ortho-bro" recruitment thread,or another millennial 'gammer' once again larping that you can fake it until you make it and be whatever style you want to be.

No real Christians are in the Soviet trade-bro Alexander Dugin crew or shilling on 4chan.

>>513390049
You need to be a special type of mongoloid retard

>>513415009
i know i was just talking about those people, it's actually a lot more common than you think. People want to be catholic without being catholic so they look into orthodoxy. It all makes sense in the beginning and then you get into the technicalities and realize your issues with catholicism that led you there in the first place are not really issues at all and the difference between the 2 are really mostly contingent upon technicalities and there isn't an explicit super-argument defeating either like there is for protestantism. The way I look at it if you want to be logical just go with what the scripture and the early church said from there take your understanding of the faith and pray that it's correct and do what is most healthy for you to do your part and if you've been fooled about scripture or faith and morals or wrong on a technicality pray that you'll be forgiven for it

>>513414412
you have to be vaxxed to be an Orthodoxy bro.

>>513416670
>you have to be vaxxed to be an Orthodoxy
That's why they need new members on 4chan

Quality gem of a thread.
Jews, idiots, ragebaiters thank you for bumping

I recommend reading Seraphim Rose's books

>>513418232
You would have the police called on you and be thrown in jail if you talked like that pic in the modern Russian KGB church. You also cannot insult the Koran or its prison then off to war in Ukraine.

>>513383950 (OP)
I had an Orthodox phase for a while, and while I do still love it, in the end Catholicism is the truth. Please don't let the schizoid ramblings of retarded protestants dissuade you from coming home. If you want to learn about Catholicism learn about it from our own words and apologetics, not secondhand.

What faggotry. Hebrew desert cults have nothing to do with Europeans and their religions

>>513383950 (OP)
Catholicism: Mary worship, but with the pope involved
Orthodoxy: Mary worship, but without the pope

Fuck off you extrabiblical clowns. You are a blasphemous lot, and I will laugh at your eternal condemnation.

SOLA
SCRIPTURA

4chan is as 4chan does.