Thread 513390365

>513383577
The funny thing is that Northern Italians from some regions have more J2 than Southern Italians and more Anatolia/Levant_N than Spaniards, French, English, Germans, Finns, Norwegians, Bulgarians, Romanians, Croats and Hungarians. It's no wonder they were the first Western Europeans to convert to Christianity, are the closest Europeans to Ashkenazi Jews in the PCA and have occultshit like "Venetian Black Nobility".

>A 2004 study by Semino et al. contradicted this study, and showed that Italians in North-central regions had a higher concentration of J2 than their Southern counterparts. North-central had 26.9% J2, whereas Calabria (a far Southern region) had 20.0%, Sardinia had 9.7% and Sicily had 16.7%

>A 2018 genetic study, focusing on the Y-chromosome and haplogroups lineages, their diversity and their distribution by taking some 817 representative subjects, gives credit to the traditional northern-southern division in population, by concluding that due to Neolithic migrations southern Italians "show a higher similarity with Middle Eastern and Southern Balkan populations than northern ones; conversely, northern samples are genetically closer to North-West Europe and Northern Balkan groups. The intermediate position of Volterra, between South and North Italy, is a mark of its unique Y-chromosomal genetic structure."

>It also keeps the debate about the origins of Etruscans open: the presence of J2a-M67* could substantiate the hypothesis of Herodotus, that of a migration from the sea of a population related to the Anatolians; the presence of G2a-L497 could point to a more Northern European origin; and finally, the European R1b lineages could suggest an autochtonous origin, following the theories of Dionysius of Halicarnassus

>>513390365 (OP)
Fix'd. BTW Spaniards. Northern Italians are the closest Europeans genetically to them in the PCA.

>>513383577
BTW Spaniards. Northern Italians are the closest Europeans genetically to them in the PCA.

>>513390560
>In their admixture ratios, Italians are similar to other Southern Europeans of the Mediterranean region, and that is being of primarily Neolithic Early European Farmer ancestry, along with smaller, but still significant, amounts of Mesolithic Western Hunter-Gatherer, Bronze Age Steppe pastoralist (Indo-European speakers) and Chalcolithic or Bronze Age Iranian/Caucasus-related ancestry. According to multiple genome-wide studies, Southern Italians are closest to modern Greeks, while Northern Italians are closest to the Spaniards, the Portuguese, and the Southern French. There is Bronze/Iron Age Middle Eastern and Western Asian admixture in Italy, with a much lower incidence in Northern Italy compared with Central Italy and Southern Italy. North African admixture is also found in Southern Italy with the highest incidence being in the islands of Sicily and Sardinia

>>513390611
>A genetic study published in Science in November 2019 examined the remains of six Latin males buried near Rome between 900 BC and 200 BC. They carried the paternal haplogroups R-M269, T-L208, R-P311, R-PF7589 and R-P312 (two samples), and the maternal haplogroups H1aj1a, T2c1f, H2a, U4a1a, H11a and H10. These examined individuals were distinguished from preceding populations of Italy by the presence of 30% steppe ancestry. Two out of six individuals from Latin burials were found have a mixture of local Iron Age ancestry and ancestry from an Eastern Mediterranean population. Among modern populations, four out of six were closest to Northern and Central Italians, and then Spaniards, while the other two were closest to Southern Italians. Overall, the genetic differentiation between the Latins, Etruscans and the preceding proto-Villanovan population of Italy was found to be insignificant

>Genetic studies have indicated that the Iron Age population of Latium was a mixture of preceding Early European Farmers and Western Hunter-Gatherers, with about 30% Steppe ancestry largely coming from the Pontic–Caspian Steppe. However two out of six individuals from Latin burials from Latium vetus were found to be a mixture of local Iron Age ancestry and an ancient Near Eastern population (best approximated by Bronze Age Armenian or Iron Age Anatolian population). In addition, one out of four individuals from Etruscan civilization burials from Veio and Civitavecchia, a female, was found to be a mixture of local Iron Age ancestry and a North African population (best approximated by Late Neolithic Moroccan)

>The results have indicated a substantial migration from the Eastern Mediterranean into the city of Rome and its vicinity in Central Italy during the Principate. Notably, only 2 out of 48 Imperial-era individuals fall in the Spanish-like cluster to which 8 out of 11 Iron Age individuals belong

>>513390690
>Instead, two-thirds of Imperial individuals (31 out of 48) overlap with central and eastern Mediterranean populations, such as those from southern and central Italy, Greece, Cyprus, and Malta. An additional quarter (13 out of 48) of the sampled Imperial Romans overlap with Levantine and Near Eastern populations, projecting close to four contemporaneous individuals from Lebanon

>One study indicates that during Late Antiquity this Eastern Mediterranean migration subsides and is replaced by the migration of northern barbarian European nations. Consequently, the ethnic composition begins to take an increasingly European character, a trend that intensifies during the Migration Period and continues even long after the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, as the geopolitics of Italy tie it ever more with its northern neighbors, e.g. via the Holy Roman Empire. These contrasting migratory waves may have contributed to the modern genetic differentiation along the length of the Italian peninsula, with the contrasting Spanish-like Northern Italy, and Greek-like Southern Italy. The authors suggest that this has also been contributed by Arab conquests, especially via the Emirate of Sicily, after Western Rome had already fallen. This is unlikely, considering that only 0.6% of modern Southern Italians have the typical Maghrebin core haplotype. Overall, the estimated Central Balkan and North Western European paternal contributions in South Italy and Sicily are about 63% and 26%, respectively

im northern italian. what does this all mean for me?

>>513390869
J2 Cults control the world. Eastern European Hunter gatherers got domesticated cattle and sheep from Caucasus/Middle Eastern farmers with which they mixed to create the Yamnaya. They soon became the main currency on the steppes (bigger herds - higher status). Because life on the steppes was very hard it gave life to a very patrilinear society observe it in the genetics where all high status individuals seem to have the same haplogroup as the leaders, all this R1a and R1b in Corded Ware/Yamna kurgans).

>It has been hypothetised that the haplogroup-R Eastern Hunter-Gatherer people (perhaps alongside neighbouring haplogroup-J Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer tribes) were the first to domesticate cattle in northern Mesopotamia some 10,500 years ago. The Eastern Hunter-Gatherer tribes descended from Ancient North Eurasian mammoth hunters, and when mammoths went extinct, they started hunting other large game such as bisons and aurochs. With the increase of the human population in the Fertile Crescent from the beginning of the Neolithic (starting 12,000 years ago), selective hunting and culling of herds started replacing indiscriminate killing of wild animals. The increased involvement of humans in the life of aurochs, wild boars and goats led to their progressive taming. Cattle herders probably maintained a nomadic or semi-nomadic existence, while other people in the Fertile Crescent (presumably represented by haplogroups E1b1b, G and T) settled down to cultivate the land or keep smaller domesticates

>The analysis of bovine DNA has revealed that all the taurine cattle (Bos taurus) alive today descend from a population of only 80 aurochs. The earliest evidence of cattle domestication dates from circa 8,500 BCE in the Pre-Pottery Neolithic cultures in the Taurus Mountains

so, what i'm getting from your post is that unlike brown italy, finland is white?

>>513392907
>The two oldest archaeological sites showing signs of cattle domestication are the villages of Çayönü Tepesi in southeastern Turkey and Dja'de el-Mughara in northern Iraq, two sites only 250 km away from each others. This is presumably the area from which R1b lineages started expanding - or in other words the "original homeland" of Yamnaya

>Jones et al. (2015) analyzed genomes from CHG males from western Georgia, in the Caucasus, from the Late Upper Palaeolithic (13,300 years old) and the Mesolithic (9,700 years old). These two males carried Y-DNA haplogroup: J* and J2a, later refined to J1-FT34521, and J2-Y12379*, and mitochondrial haplogroups of K3 and H13c, respectively. Their genomes showed that a continued mixture of the Caucasians with Middle Eastern populations took place up to 25,000 years ago, when the coldest period in the last Ice Age started

>There is a distinct association of ancient J2 civilisations with bull worship. The oldest evidence of a cult of the bull can be traced back to Neolithic central Anatolia, notably at the sites of Çatalhöyük and Alaca Höyük. Bull depictions are omnipresent in Minoan frescos and ceramics in Crete. Bull-masked terracotta figurines and bull-horned stone altars have been found in Cyprus (dating back as far as the Neolithic, the first presumed expansion of J2 from West Asia). The Hattians, Sumerians, Babylonians, Canaaites, and Carthaginians all had bull deities (in contrast with Indo-European or East Asian religions)

>The sacred bull of Hinduism, Nandi, present in all temples dedicated to Shiva or Parvati, does not have an Indo-European origin, but can be traced back to Indus Valley civilisation. Minoan Crete, Hittite Anatolia, the Levant, Bactria and the Indus Valley also shared a tradition of bull leaping, the ritual of dodging the charge of a bull. It survives today in the traditional bullfighting of Andalusia in Spain and Provence in France, two regions with a high percentage of J2 lineages

>>513393824
No. Going by the chart, you have less "core European admixture" than North Italians, and about the same as South Italians.

>>513394320
Native Europeans are WHG, anon.

>>513394695
I said "core European admixture", which in this chart means WHG, Iran_N, Anatolia_N, and EHG.

>>513394695
The Europeans genetically closest to them are the Basques.
>>513394804
Sorry.

>>513390365 (OP)
I like drinking milk

>>513390365 (OP)
>MARCH OF THE TITANS

>>513395103
I'm pretty sure the ones closes to WHG are Baltics

>>513390869
That you are not white
>>513393824
No you're mongolian

>>513395895
fuck. i also had a feeling im a wop nigger. thx for the info

>>513395755
We wus kangs da wypipo edishun

>>513395940
*i always had a feeling

DIO PORCO. IO SONO NIGRO. CAZZOOOOO

>>513392907
im a stupid nigger. you have to tone down the big words

>>513396007
Nella notte tra gli anfratti
Cerco gli sporchi negracci
Caccio i negri col coltello
Li prendo e li sbudello
Inseguo i negri con la mazza
E poi gli spacco la faccia
Stermino negri a profusione
Sparo ai negri col cannone

>>513396107
questa poesia, hai scritto tu?

>>513395755
>>513395942
part 2

>>513396666
>Napoleon
>Nordic
this is barely different from black we wuzzing

>>513396666
>>513396746
part 3
its different because it is factual kek

>>513396390
Sì

>>513396746
Look up his death mask.

>>513397045
>>513396746
Didnt Napoleon stand out among Frenchies because of his sallow skin?

>>513395756
Basques are the descendants of WHG with less EHG/ANE unlike Scandinavians.

>>513396666
Also
>The Lombards produced Dante, Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci
Literally none of them was Lombard lmao
Did kemp just make up shit as he went

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>>513390365 (OP)
>>513392907
>>513393885
There was a group of Mesopotamian Neoplatonists/Hermeticists called the "Sabians," primarily from Harran on the Turkish-Syrian border, who presented themselves as a People of the Book (pre-Islamic monotheists mentioned in the Quran like Jews and Christians) to the Abbasid Caliphate, and sacrificed children and black bulls, goats, cats, to Saturn in a black hexagonal temple. The Sabians of Harran were a key group in the transmission of Greek texts into Syriac, Arabic, and later Latin in Europe during the Renaissance Italy caused by the Latin looting of the Library of Constantinople (capital of Eastern Roman Empire) during the Fourth Crusade financed by the Republic of Venice and its fall to the Ottomans (a people of Turkish-MONGOL origin, these second who were allies of the Venetians and brought the Black Death to Europe) which caused hundreds of Greek scholars to flee to Italy, which reintroduced the Cult of Moloch during the late Middle Ages and early Modern Periods.

https://ia802808.us.archive.org/34/items/segal1963sabianmysteries/Segal_1963_Sabian_Mysteries.pdf
>The ordinary Sabian could not conduct his life by general principles of elevated philosophy such as these. The mass of Harranians followed a complex scheme of ritual, worshipping idols in the temples as representations of the remote and often invisible planets. There were temples, however, not only to the seven planets, but also to the Primal Cause, the First Intellect, World Order, Necessity and the Soul. All these temples were round. The temples to the planets were each, our sources declare, of a special shape—we are reminded of the buildings at Sumatar Harabesi—and each reflected the ideas of those times about the colour and metal peculiar to each planet and the day of the week which it was supposed to govern. The arrangement and order of the temples and the height of the idols conformed to the distance of each planet from the earth

>>513390560
>>513400711
>The temple of Saturn was hexagonal and black, his statue was of lead, his day Saturday; the temple of Jupiter was triangular and green, his statue of tin, his day Thursday; the temple of Mars was oblong (or square?), his colour red, his statue of iron, his day Tuesday; the temple of the sun was square, his statue was of gold, his day Sunday; the temple of Venus was probably a triangle inside a rectangle and it was blue, her statue was of copper, and her day Friday; the temple of Mercury was probably a triangle in an oblong, it had no allotted colour, Mercury's statue was of clay and his day Wednesday; the temple of the Moon was probably octagonal, her statue—the moon was now regarded as female—of silver, and her day Monday

>Each of the planets had influence over a special category of persons—Saturn over persons of authority, Jupiter over wise men and philosophers, Mars over men of violence, the Sun over persons of distinction, Venus over women, children and artists, Mercury over men of learning and science, the moon over cultivators and vagrants. Each planet, too, had its own temperament; Saturn and Mars, in particular, were malevolent. The right time for prayer was fixed by observation of the station of the planet in the sky. The suppliant, dressed in the colour and style appropriate to the planet—in praying to Jupiter, it should be noted, the suppliant wore the 'volume of the Haniphites' around his neck —offered incense according to prescribed formulae

>The incense of Saturn contained opium and the skull of a black cat, and that of Mars contained human blood; the incense to the sun and moon is called respectively the 'greater' and the 'lesser incense of the Haniphites'. We have an account of the prayers to each planet, the name of its special angel, its magic appellation, and its chosen victim for sacrifice—Saturn demanded a black he-goat

>>513401128
>Jupiter a white lamb, Mars a striped cat, the Sun a crested cock, Venus a white pigeon, Mercury a white cock, the moon a small calf

>Much has been written on human sacrifice among the Harranians. On 8th Ab (August), at the pressing of new wine in honour of the gods, they are said to have sacrificed a newly-born male child, and to have employed the flesh with the addition of flour, saffron, spikenard, cloves and oil, as the food at the mysteries. (One writer, however, declares that this sacrifice was performed whenever the earth was five degrees in the ascendant or the reverse.) The allegation must be rejected, at any rate for the Moslem period

>Al-Dimashqi in the 14th century goes so far as to declare that human sacrifice appeared in Sabian rites directed to every planet—except, significantly enough, to Saturn to whom a bull was offered. To Jupiter, he maintains, was sacrificed an infant born of a bought (in Arabic Jupiter is the 'buyer') woman, the infant's mother to the sun, to Mars a redhaired man, to Venus a whitehaired woman, to Mercury a cultured youth, to the moon a fair man. This cannot be taken seriously. Al-Dimashqi's taste for the horrific is shown by his story that the idol of Mars held a bloody head in one hand; from an earlier writer we learn that it was a burning torch, not a human head!

>There are three accounts of a severed human head which uttered oracles in the Harranian temples, one account in each of the 8th, 9th and 10th centuries. But in one important detail the accounts vary. One maintains that the head was dedicated to Mercury, another to Mars, while the third states that the ceremony took place in the temple of the Moon. Al-Biruni declares that the Sabians sacrificed children to Saturn

>>513402019
>Elsewhere he writes that the Sabians were notorious for human sacrifice, but 'at present they are not allowed to carry it out in public'. We may wonder whether it was ever performed during the Christian era. With one dubious exception, no Christian chronicler indicts the Harranian pagans with this offence. An explanation for the naive reports of Moslem writers may be found in the Syriac history of Bar Hebraeus, which was compiled from earlier sources. Ibrahim, governor of Harran in the 9th century, permitted the Harranians to celebrate their mysteries in public. They led in procession, our chronicler relates with distaste, a bull decorated with garlands of flowers and bells, and accompanied by singers and musicians; it was then solemnly sacrificed

>This bull is evidently the sacrificial victim to Saturn of al-Dimashqi. We read of it elsewhere. It was wholly black—an unusual colour in Harranian sacrifices. It was fed with grass plucked by virgins at sunrise. Drawn by a chain of gold, with incense burning before it and amid prayers, it was taken to the place of sacrifice. Its head was smeared with salt and wine, it was decapitated and its organs were examined for omens

>We may find here the origin of the stories of the human victim placed in a bath of sesame oil and fed with figs for the period of one year; then, rumour had it, the severed head would advise the Sabians for one year—others held one week—on their scientific and economic affairs. The stories derive from a popular Harranian proverb—'he is in oil', that is, he is in distress. Not unrelated is the phrase 'preparation of the head', a well-known term among alchemists

>>513400711
>>513401128
>>513402019
>>513402401
Picrel book explains the modern origin of the Cult of Moloch in Medieval Western Europe through the Italian Renaissance.

https://welib.org/md5/9af7ea570f51cdbb46a90561b930f304
>The Game of Saturn is the first full length, scholarly study of the enigmatic Renaissance masterwork known as the Sola-Busca tarot. It reveals the existence of a pagan liturgical and ritual tradition active amongst members of the Renaissance elite and encoded within the deck. Beneath its beautifully decorated surface, its imagery ranges from the obscure to the grotesque; we encounter scenes of homoeroticism, wounding, immolation and decapitation redolent of hidden meanings, violent transformations and obscure rites

>For the first time in over five hundred years, the clues embedded within the cards reveal a dark Gnostic grimoire replete with pagan theurgical and astral magical rites. Careful analysis demonstrates that the presiding deity of this ‘cult object’ is none other than the Gnostic demiurge in its most archaic and violent form: the Afro-Levantine serpent-dragon, Ba’al Hammon, also known as Kronos and Saturn, though more notoriously as the biblical Moloch, the devourer of children

>>513403216
>Conveyed from Constantinople to Italy in the dying years of the Byzantine Empire, the pagan Platonist George Gemistos Plethon sought to ensure the survival of the living essence of Neoplatonic theurgy by transplanting it to the elite families of the Italian Renaissance. Within that violent and sorcerous milieu, Plethon’s vision of a theurgically enlightened elite mutated into its dark shadow – a Saturnian brotherhood, operating within a cosmology of predation, which sought to channel the draconian current to preserve elite wealth, power and control. This development marks the birth of an ‘illumined elite’ over three centuries before Adam Weishaupt’s ‘Illuminati.’ The deck captures the essence of this magical tradition and constitutes a Western terma whose talismanic properties may serve to establish an initiatory link with the current

>This work fully explores the historical context for the deck’s creation against the background of tense Ferrarese-Venetian diplomatic intrigue and espionage. The recovery of the deck’s encoded narratives constitutes a significant contribution to Renaissance scholarship, art history, tarot studies and the history of Western esotericism