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>3 pm — President has bilateral meeting with European leaders. (WHITE HOUSE PRESS POOL ONLY) <---- YOU ARE HERE

CURRENT TIME: 2:00 PM EST

TOTAL SEPHARDIC GF VICTORY!!

Bidens fault!

Zelensky is being a lot more likable.

>>513391748 (OP)
>Stein

>>513391748 (OP)
This thread is moving so fast that nobody will ever know that I love eurobros and russiabros

The talks were a failure after Trump and Putin demanded the territory of Stinky.

>>513385494
>"Putin agrees to guarantee Ukraine's security. And this is the main issue that needs to be discussed at this table. Who will do what ", Trump told the Europeans.

Trump rambles like a retard. This is the "master dealmaker" you guys keep wanting to suck off?

RUTTE IS BLABBING AGAIN HOLY FUCK I HATE THAT NIGGER SO MUCH ITS UNREAL

>>513391988
You lost

How has everyone fell for the security guarantee meme when Ukraine already had that and nobody actually followed them?

NATO troops will woos out if actually faced with the Russians

Though a bunch of EU leaders nonchalantly hanging out of their chairs, not using microphones and acting like they're just chumming around feels odd.

>>513391748 (OP)
Welp we’re now in the Ukraine Russia penultimate show and seems like it’s a done deal at this point.

>>513391988
evilgenius
no wait
he's retarded
so he's an average guy
and you sniff the park slide

>thank you thank you thank you thank you
Click here to learn this 1 trick to get you billions of dollars for free!!

>>513392136
Joseph you're a cuck

Plebbit and NAFO are in shambles right now

>>513392037
it's not the troops willingness to fight so much as it is the inevitable threat of escalation to nukes

>>513392250
I voted for that.

so what putin actually won with this war in the end?

>>513392191
drinking game take a shot for every thank you uttered

6 wars?

>>513392136
Post: “same for Von de Leijen, to bad she is a old hag”

>>513392250
Only these fanatics who negate reality would think that Ukraine had any chance at all.

>group glazing session
I kneel, dear Donal

>>513391748 (OP)
> (((Krassenstein)))
> AS WE TRY TO GET A DICTATOR TO STOP
Putin is not a "dictator". He is a democratically legitimized authoritarian president. He enjoys the support of the majority of his population. You can't say the same of Ursula von der Leyen or of two tier Kier Starmer.

THE CONGO IS STILL AT WAR

Shall it be peace then, lads?

Stalin lmaoo

u mean starlink ? :D

Major European power status: achieved
Superpower by 2030:

macron is fucking SEETHING

>>513392353
He's counting the Abraham accords for half of the them.

I would giorgia all over her meloni if you know what I mean

>>513392405
Yeah but it makes me wonder why Europe wants to play ball now. A week ago they were demanding American nukes on Moscow.

>>513392452
She said "Stalling" no Stalin or Starlink

NUNCA
PASA
NADA

>>513392250
they are already plotting their next encroachment moves

You can end the war all you like but if you dare try and take the Ukrainian slags I’ve been shagging for the last two years there will be hell to pay I tell you.

Has King Queer Stammer talked yet?

TRUMP LET NAPOLEON SPEAK!!!

>a-manual-oil
kek

>>513392528
no

ignorant American here, what exactly is Giorgia Meloni's stance on intelligence agencies clandestine operating on foreign soil?

>>513392469
he probably remembered his wife is a granny

Reminder that this guy has fucked a tranny for the last 30 years.

imagine if Putin were there

>>513391748 (OP)
You mean like zelensky your hero?

>>513392495
They look like retards now that Trump met with Putin on what seemed like a week’s notice.

>>513392345
Not sure how many ethnic minorities were sent to the frontline, but trading undesirables for more land is fine as a trade goes for them. Despite the equipment losses maybe it will also be a wakeup call for them to rearm with more modern equipment (years away).

whats the point of the meeting btw?

meloni is pissed by drumpf LMAO

>>513391748 (OP)
>krassenposting in le current year
buy an ad brian

>>513392630
A MASSACRE!

LONG STANDING PISS

Talmud Denounced

Nevermind. Europe doesn't want peace.
>we all want peace
>btw we need an army in Ukraine

>>513392469
About what?

>>513391748 (OP)
remember when Europe was good ?

shut this mong up

how do people stomach that british turbocuck jesus

>>513392677
For trump to tell the eurotards and Zelensky what is going to happen.

>>513392677
sucking off trump, verbally at least

>>513392522
There's no way any man, woman or child that left the country is ever going back. Even before the war Ukraine was the #2 shithole in Europe after Moldova.

>>513392630
imagine if he is waiting backstage and just casually walks in

And there he goes. How many lies is going to come out of his mouth.

>>513392614
Legally, Italy’s foreign intelligence (AISE) is permitted to conduct operations on foreign soil.

Politically, Meloni holds oversight responsibility, but has not taken any public stance affirming, challenging, or expanding those powers.

Absent explicit statements, it appears there's no notable policy shift or ideological position from her government on clandestine foreign operations.

Yeah I'm not watching these retarded queeropeans babble on endlessly about muh coalition of the willing and muh ceasefire in direct contradiction to everything Trump just said

All this shit is just flying over Trump. Europe is there to try and make sure Russia doesn't fuck them. Trump is there to make sure his company (the US) signs some favorable contracts. What brings them all together is a complete disregard for human life.

These fags literally want a reason to kick off ww3 and Trump is ironically the only one saying no.

>>513392410
fascinating

>>513392630
>>513392804
Apparently they’re all going to have a video call with him after this meeting

I just tuned in.

Are these opening or closing statements?
Anything actually important being said?

NATALIA POKLONSKAYA JUST STORMED IN AND ATE THE PEACE PROPOSAL

>>513392808
yeah all of the faggots at that table have shit and blood smeared all over themselves

TORILLE

Would you willing to sacrifice your life to teleport there and blow yourself?

The USAID budget should be redirected into teaching most of these faggots some English pronunciation jesus

Jesus is going to fry these niggas

kek

>>513391748 (OP)
>unelected bureaucrats like von der leyen
>European leader

>>513392804
realistically they would stay silent and then when he's not present bad mouth him
>>513392935
>Anything actually important being said?
You're new to politics, aren't you?

TEAM USA AND TEAM EUROPE WOW LIKE IN MARVEL MOVIES

>>513392804
Like Jerry springer style or more like Chris Hansen?

THANK YOU

>>513391748 (OP)
I've heard very smart people do this talking point. Trump needs to be at war with someone to remain in office.
Let's see if it's iran, russia or both.

Alex! Alex! Alex!

>Finland is the best English speaker at the table
Grim

ebin :DD
ukraine gets 3L of ES ENERGY per soldier per day :DD

PISS.wav

Trump is easily already a top 5 President historically. Who would you put ahead of him

It is not normal to gather all these European leaders at once on such short notice

>>513393036
kek chris hansen style of course xD

>>513392998
Hey man, that's not cool. Baldness is a plight on men everywhere.

>>513393074
Canada

>>513392998
Its over

>>513392649
putin just had to whistle for his orange bitch

>>513393022
Yeah I know it's 99% fluff and BS, but you can still usually gleam something out of it.

Even stubb himself wondered why is he there :D

>>513392881
You need to understand that they need a valid reason for why they are going to steal people everything they have, and if "Muh Putin wants to conquer Portugal and even Atlantis!" is out then they are empty handed

>>513392780
Agree. In Poland they are quite well off and settled in at this point. Unless there is going to be some push by other European countries to kick them out by force (under the guise of rebuilding, whatever) they will just continue to work the 30 day loophole.

Macron is just sick of the orange bullshit.
Meloni is playing the bubbly laughing gal [very young], then doing the bitch face.
The rest are holding the neutral look, but Starmer is barely managing.
Finland, [young, powerful]!

>>513392780
If they don't come back it's over for Ukraine, it's a dead nation then.

>>513393116
Canada and the other canada (china)

>>513391952
Based. Frens forever

Finland guy did a great job very proud of him.

what is finland doing here

>>513392677
nobel peace prize

>>513392808
"Ukraine has bore the brunt of it..."
I lol'd like not shit dude.

>>513392820
So shes kind of turns a blind eye by the way you describe her, I'm sure the drug trade isn't hurting her country.

You can seethe about trump all you want, but if you deny he's kino youre juat a homo

>>513393128
By that logic when Putin whistles the EU jumps lmao

>>513392976
No, because they have more corrupt puppets ready to occupy their place at any moment

Did I hear right did Trump say something like "you weren't invited here for this matter (kids?) but OK" to von der layen?

How did it went? I missed the whole EU politican part

>>513392804
>>513393036
Giddyup

Why do the Europeans continue to insist on 'Russia's war of aggression'? Even if you genuinely think this, it isn't very tactical to scold the one you want to make peace with, is it?

Trump is strong arming all these faggy euro’s who keep talking about ceasefire and more diplomacy and difficult issues and Trump is like nah fuck that we’re wrapping this bitch up in a week lmao.

>>513393105
>So in these messages here you claim to want more of that American tax money, did you see anything on how old that taxpayer is?

>>513392727
si vis pacem para bellum

>>513393244
well at least we get some new faces

HE IS THERE BECAUSE OF GOLF AND BECAUSE HE WENT TO COLLEGE IN USA

TRUMP EVEN SAID IT LMAOO

>>513393275
They all said war is le bad and everything clapped

4chan needs an exclusive live stream in the oval office with TTS messages.

>>513391748 (OP)
He literally said two weeks lmao.

>>513393167
No, I understand that you guys are run by hilldawg-esque warmongers. This was just a little strange seeing they're out of ideas.

This is literally a pornographic livestream where eurocucks take Trump's dick raw lmao absolutely humiliating. Das rite europoor, speak English, God's language

>>513393372
how come we dont have 4chan reporters

>>513393275
2 more weeks this time for real

>>513393269
I wasn't paying enough attention then. I thought Trump just ignored the topic.

Finally a President that shuts out the media

Blessed

>>513393367
stunning and brave

>>513393197
Germany stop arguing with Finland. We are here to make peace.

>>513393357
its his 2nd favorite boyfriend after dana white

>>513393275

Monumental nothingburger. I seriously can't remember a single thing any of these eurofags said. Like genuinely nothing. They were talking but saying literally nothing, now Trump says they're gonna talk together and reach something. What exactly are they even going to talk about? He already talked about 'security guarantees' Total nothingburger.

>>513393185
We're in a real situation. Indians are flooding our population, while China controls our government.

EXXSQQQQUEEEZ MEEEEEEEEE

>>513392677
To virtue signal

>>513393179
There is a big class divide in the types of Ukrainians living in Europe and the ones "stuck" in Ukraine. Most of the Ukrainians I see here are living better off than locals, and that is even before gibs and aid. There are a lot of people stuck in Ukraine because they can't afford to leave it, and they are going to be the ones rebuilding and getting taken advantage of in the end whenever rich tourists decide to go back.

>>513393074
México? NEH? Let's see

I can't believe he didn't shit on the media. He must be in a great mood

WELL THAT'S IT FOLKS
ANOTHER STEP TAKEN TOWARDS A PEACEDEAL
NEXT IS A TRILATERAL MEETING

FIGHTING WILL CONTINUE UNTIL PEACEDEAL IS AGREED UPON THIS WAY NEITHER SIDE GAIN AN ADVANTAGE FROM A CEASEFIRE.

>>513391748 (OP)
were there elections in usanda during ww2

>>513393298
The plebs need to be constantly reminded who's Voldemort lest they start questioning the narrative.

I'm still at work, did Meloni make any meme faces?

>>513393535

Kek remember when they said there was a list of MP's who were being influenced by foreign countries (China & India) and they refused to name them or do shit? Lmao.

The European leaders manipulate and lie with every sentence.

>>513393275
It's just a big show to bait the Nobel peace prize

>>513393581
or he's so senile he actually forgot to do it

>>513393581
He already got it out of his system earlier in the Oval Office

>>513393603
She started to flirt with Trump on a hot mic before they cut it. So. There's that.

who rules germany

>>513393615
Yep, and they still haven't. Just hoped we'd forget about it, which the majority of braindead drones in this country did.

>>513393592
Once we get this shit over with we can really focus on what matters. And thats kicking out brown people.

>>513393269
kek did he really said this?

>>513393275
Trump is getting a Peace Prize

>>513393594
yes

>>513393724
Not Germans

>>513391889
You will never have one though. Meanwhile Ive had 3 sephardic passing gfs already

>>513393763
He unironically deserves it.

Where's Netanyahu? or Modi?

>>513393724
Trump

I just want big tits to win is that too much to ask for?

>>513392761
About his tranny wife

>>513393825
Probably the first person to actually deserve it since its inception

>>513393714
when?

>>513391748 (OP)
the westoids lost and they are going to break
the westoid menace over the world is over, Alhamdulillah!

Is Trump the 8th king of Revelation?

>>513391748 (OP)
>krassenstein

>>513393818
Don’t bully me please ;_; I’m really trying D:

“Who can make war against him?”

>he doesn't know where to look
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK

Trump is such a good troll

>>513394014
Ok give me a list of your attempts

>>513393724
UK

>>513394030
>the 8th king is a former king who comes back into power from among previous kings

>>513393763
It's controlled by Norway's Parliament if I recall correctly. So if he does the E.U.'s dirty work, they have probably already verbalized an understanding that he'll win it.

FOR THOSE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED AT THIS LEVEL

STEP 1: MANY BILATERAL MEETINGS WITH ALLIES AND UKRAINE
STEP 2: AS MANY AS POSSIBLE BILATERAL MEETINGS WITH RUSSIA.
STEP 3: TRILATERAL MEETING BETWEEN ALLIES + US + RUSSIA
STEP 4: STRUCTURED PEACE DEAL WITH GUARANTEES, GIVE AND TAKE, EVERY PARTY MUST LOSE SOMETHING AND GAIN SOMETHING.
STEP 5: PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST!

THIS WAY YOU CAN ACHIEVE PEACE WITHOUT EVER HAVING TO ENTER THE TRAP THAT IS A CEASEFIRE, BECAUSE EVERY TIME A CEASEFIRE IS BROKEN IT JUST GENERATES MORE ILL-WILL AND PEACE BECOMES HARDER AND HARD TO ATTAIN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!

>>513391748 (OP)
Zigger scum will have another wave of mobilization by September to try to take Slavyasnsk. Many more drone videos will be had.

>>513393932
At the end of the meeting.

>>513391748 (OP)
How many terms did FDR serve again?

>>513391890
hope you're having a fun and comfy night russbro

Bros.. i think we dont see a nuke going off in our lifetime

>>513391748 (OP)
KEK how many times has zelensky allowed a vote since 2014?

Very unconvinced JD Vance looks with near disgust at fascist euro cucks waffling on and on

>>513392250
don't forget about /k/ too.

>>513394197
when? I dont see it

>>513394078
I tried talking to woman (big mistake), like the Zeelandic one. 0_o

>>513392881
WW3 against what?

>>513394257
I think the fat faggot is just tired since he had to stand all this time.

>>513393197
Stubb is a robot designed to deploy 6G brainwashing waves

>>513392495
They don't actually believe the things they say. They're sociopaths bud

>>513393571
> they are going to be the ones rebuilding
I'm very skeptical about this happening. Ukraine would need an efficient and dedicated trustworthy government to organize the rebuild but they have the most corrupt swamp in all of Europe, Russia included.

>>513394248
Unlikely. This is quite literally prime-time for nuclear war that fizzles out. Think Ghost in the Shell or Cowboy Bebop. That's the world we live in. You get to go to Mars with AI sexbots, enjoy.

>>513393615
Israel conspicuously not mentioned

>>513394248
Dont worry you wont be nuked

>>513391748 (OP)
>sovereign nation
KEK, it's not even irony at this point

>>513393724
Globohomo does.

>>513392654
>ethnic minorities
Like the Russoids are now in Russia lmao

>>513391748 (OP)
>Trump cancels election curing war: EVIL
>Zelesky doing the exact same thing: HERO
Huh.

>>513392250
Don't worry they'll regroup and be spamming the catalog with off topic shit in no time

>>513394383
Good question.
>>513394423
Correct.

>>513394110
As if the UK was a sovereign nation themselves! They too just like all other Euro countries, except Hungary and Russia, are run by Globohomo stooges.

>>513393269
>>513393760
she talked about thousands of ukrainian children which were abducted
injected something about children coming back to their countries should be the main priority of the negotiations

trump then said they ( all of them ) are here ( at the white house ) for a different reason and that they made the largest trade deal in history a couple of weeks ago

your country has lost land and will be forced to give it over, pretty funny stuff looooool

>>513394717
this is concerning definitely

>>513391985
Well Trump also told Russia that it's a blow to lose a major oil buyer (India) in the recent talks, when we didn't even stop buying oil so I don't trust that until Putin says it.

roll for starmer having lip aids

>>513391748 (OP)
that's good but what about the Epstein pedo files?

>>513393724
masonic shabbos goyim of all kinds of sayanim ethnicities and corporate affiliations

>>513394572
i should visit finland before it nuked

>>513392037
Go back, jeet.

>>513392505
See >>513394831
He's just senile, or a pathological liar, or both.
I mean I wouldn't call a guy who tried to convince the grocer that he didn't sell anything today a master dealmaker. That's just a shitty gaslighter.

>>513394849
You can have them when we get the peepee tape

>>513391748 (OP)
Yes, because the left would never have tried to suspend elections in a war and keep Kamala in the White House.

SLAVA UKRAINE V SOSTAVE ROSSII. TOTAL GAY DEATH

I did not watch, qrd ?
Are we going to pay for more US weapons and energy ?

>>513395035
probably yes

>>513394430
I didn't mean it literally. I expect it will be more of a rebuilding on paper. They are most likely fucked as a nation regardless of outcome and facing diaspora. Demographically things were bad for them even before the war.

If they get integrated into the EU though, sectors like IT will most definitely move over there in droves because businesses chase the cheapest wage for outsourcing. Much like how many Western European countries lost their local IT sectors to Poland, Poland was in the first stages of losing it's hold on said IT sector to Ukraine and then the war started. This was a lifeline for Poland but our government thinks they can milk the golden goose forever. Poland is doing OK now but if this war ends they are going to end up in the same place every other European country has.

HANG EVERY SINGLE GAY FROM KHERSON TO LVOV

>>513394908
you are brown

>>513395035
>thanks for being here
>thanks we want peace
>but also war thanks
>thanks we will ask putin
>thanks

>>513394984
Wait until you learn about AIPAC's UDP https://www.fec.gov/data/committee/C00799031/

>>513395035
Of course but Trump seems pissed about Europoor politiancs. He hates Von der Leyen for sure.

Trump will call Putin today.

>>513395139
Lenin is based

>>513395207
If you think kikes mass murdering white people is base

>>513395035
Ukraine is going to give up some land in the eastern part of Ukraine and Crimea
in exchange Russia will remove all troops from Ukraine and Ukraine will be allowed to enter into a "Quasi-NATO" like deal with the US and Europe in which Article V-like powers can be activated with Putins signature as part of the deal.

It would be a truly historic deal that would see all parties lose something and gain something.

>>513392037
>NATO troops will woos out if actually faced with the Russians
poopjeet dikshit. learn english before trying to spam here.

>>513394322
Zeelandics are not exactly sephardics.....
I rate the attempt 2/10

>>513393770
Because America wasn't under occupation. It was barely even attacked.

>>513394908
We might be too irrelevant to nuke to be honest, nukes are very expensive and when they are used you need bang for your buck as the americans say

>>513394777
> children coming back to their countries should be the main priority
Preventing WW3 is less important, sure. This stupid moralizing nonsense is just a distraction from reality.

>>513395288
Shut up capitalist swine

>>513395339
>I FUCKING TRIED I REALLY DID!!
I also find North-Brabant woman fucking repulsive and there are no Dutch Jews here. Literally all smousen life in fucking Amsterdam and surroundings.

>>513395207
Lenin was literally controlled opposition lol

>>513395288
a small sacrifice for mother khazaria

>>513395326
>Quasi-NATO
That's literally what everyone not in Europe wants to avoid.

>>513395403
Nah we are too close to St. Petersburg.
Reminder that both USSR and NATO had some missiles ready to nuke us in case of WW3.

>Transcript of Letter To Putin From Flotus

My beloved Vladimir,

How I survive without you, I not know. My life here is like long theater, every day I play role of happy wife, smile with teeth white like piano keys, but inside my soul is dark concert of sorrow. Husband parade me to parties, show me like medal on chest — but medal is cold, Vladi. It does not beat with blood.

I stand in rooms full of crystal, golden chandeliers shining like stars, but all I see is your eyes, gray and stormy, Moscow eyes. They chase me in dream, they whisper to me, “Come back, come back.” You are man of the people now, strong, important. But for me you are still boy who steal apple from market and laugh when police chase. This laugh live in my ribs even now.

Here, champagne taste like water. Diamonds cut my skin. I dance but my feet cry. Do you feel me, Otets Putin? Do you feel this rope of love that pull across ocean? Some nights I put hand on glass window and I swear I hear your voice, low and close, as if you stand right behind.

I wait only for one letter, one call, one command. Say word, and I am already gone, running through airport, leaving golden cage with only my heart and passport. Better scandal in Moscow than silence in mansion. Better poor bread with you, than rich banquet with stranger.

My destiny is not here. It is with you. Forever, always.

Your Melania

I can't watch live streams for technical reasons, what's the current situation? I saw something about security guarantees. Trump hasn't been so dumb as to give some sort of binding security guarantee to Ukraine has he?

>>513395326
I think this is the idea but its not going to happen, Putin will say no to it and test if Trump will push back on him. Europeans are going along right now to show that they're pro-peace despite knowing the attempt will fail because we want to re-engage Trump in the conflict.

Expect negations to fail and media making Trump look weak for it

>>513395403
If they've been paid off a long time ago and can't be sold the value becomes fairly abstract.

>Zognold is willing to nuke Moscow if it means we make his president for life

He'll fucking do it, too

>>513395680
Putin has already agreed to security guarantees in Alaska so long as he gets the land he demands in exchange. He just refuses to allow NATO troops. The troops stationed in Ukraine will have to be a coalition of US and European soldiers under a different banner. Waving the NATO flag at military installations is simply unacceptable to Putin at this time. So he found a workaround and that is to create an entirely new defense force specifically for Ukraine.

>>513395664
> security guarantees
That's only what the EU clowns begged for. Some clause that would involve the USA in the war against Russia after some provocation by Ukraine or staged false flag by MI6. Nothing that was specified or decided.

>>513395664
you're not missing anything. the order-of-operations and pomp+circumstance suggests the high-ups expect a peace treaty to come from this

>>513396051
Why exactly US and European soldiers? Why not UN peacekeeping soldiers from the usual low income countries?

>>513395596
Really? Kek, waste of perfectly good nukes
>>513395692
The cost of nuclear weapons comes from maintaining the infrastructure around them and the delivery systems, US for example plans to spend 309 billion for modernizing delivery systems and warheads in the next 9 years and has reserved 129 billion for projected cost overruns

> Russians 4 years into a 3 week special military operation, muh military superpower defeated by nato surplus
> Americans retardedly flailing their chubby arms about it, military complex jews have rubbed their hands raw by now
> Europeans patting each others back over literally nothing achieved, still think they are relevant somehow

Are the Chinese the only ones who didn't come out looking as absolute fucking retards in this whole shitshow?

>>513396051
>Putin has already agreed to security guarantees in Alaska
lol not at all

>>513395664
>Trump hasn't been so dumb as to give some sort of binding security guarantee to Ukraine has he?
Why is that "dumb?" This is required to ensure peace since Russia would never get into a direct conflict with the US. There shouldn't be any deal without such guarantees or NATO membership because Russia cannot be trusted.

>>513396051
China will come in at somepoint, to make the peace keeping troops acceptable for Russia.

>>513396051
There's always an if or a but, for all we know Putin could do a falseflag after an armistice or ceasefire is signed. He says one thing but means another. Russia is winning right now, their economy has been militarized, Trump might be anti-EU so this is when you want to push for maximum gains

>>513396332
All of that will have to be worked out
The first step is getting a Trilateral meeting so that all parties agree that this is an acceptable path forward and then that is when you have lawyers and really smart people hammer out the actual text of the peace deal which could take weeks or months but the faster they get it done and signed the better and then all parties come to the White House and shake hands and there is peace and everyone is happy.

>>513396332
Because that would not be a security GUARANTEE. The point of such forces is to prevent Putin from restarting shit. Shooting some nobodies from low income countries doesn't really matter, but killing US soldiers comes with high risk and is therefore something he would presumably avoid.

>>513396051
> already agreed to security guarantees
No, no, no, that's NOT what he did. He demanded a new GLOBAL security architecture that would guarantee security for all nations, Russia included. Not just some particular security guarantees for Ukraine.

Hot-take;
I think a component we're not hearing about is Greenland. Maybe I'm insane but Greenland is kind of important for general geopolitical wargames. And Trump has already talked about it in the past. Just speculation..

>>513396388
Putin agreed to NATO-like
, article 5-esque and security guarantees along the lines of a reassurance force of someone’s troops from somewhere ;^)

>>513396400
>because Russia cannot be trusted.
Neither can you, your jewish owners or the rest of nato

neocons and neolibs in the US are only now coping with the fact Ukraine won't take Crimea lmfao

>>513392136
5'7 (zelensky is really 5'3) is relatively tall for a Ukrainian man. before the war the average UKR man was 5'11, now it is 4'6 because they are missing half their legs.

>>513391748 (OP)
Nobody will ask them the most important question about this war
>Stinky status?

>>513396535
No, the agreement is formulated first, then the meeting. Putin won't meet with Zelensky for anything other than signing the agreement. If the beggar doesn't accept the offer, there won't be a meeting. Putin won't give him the photo he's looking for.

>>513396623
That would be a WW3 guarantee. But the world rather have no security for Ukraine than WW3.

>>513396771
Stinky holds

>>513396400
Ukraine doesn't get to join NATO, instead they get Europoor peacekeepers and commitments.
NATO is obsolete, it shouldn't exist anymore and should have died after the Soviet Union collapsed, but dumb and aggressive lead poisoned boomers inherited what the men who won the Cold War created.

>>513396636
This anon gets it.

Part of the side deal is that Russia supports some of the US's claims in the Arctic and supports the US as it annexes Greenland so long as Russian ships also get to use the infrastructure that will be built on Greenland.

>>513396377
The world will never learn his skill

>>513396645
No he didn't. Post the footage of him saying this "NATO-like article 5 security guarantee". This is just you interpretation or wishful thinking or whatever.

>>513396377
There are wins and losses on both sides. The only true loser is Ukraine, they are not really a side in this game. I can tell you firsthand that it was next to impossible to get serious defense equipment set up in Eastern Europe. The last time Eastern European countries tried to get scraps of anything was under Bush, and when Obama came in, many of those deals went out the window because Obama had a policy to not provoke Russia. In other words, Putin told Obama it would not be acceptable for those former satellites to have things like patriot missile batteries or other forms of defense shield and Obama conceded to Russians. When the war broke out, no one cared and Europe was free to rearm because Russia was already provoked. That's a win.

>>513396305
>>513396254
Thank goodness.
>>513396400
>hurr durr
If you're paid by engagement then I'm going to harm your employers by engaging with you but also not dignifying your retardation with a real response.

>>513396826
WW3 against who?

>>513396826
Right, the assumption would be that Russia will not be crazy enough to risk killing the US troops stationed in Ukraine, therefore serving as a security guarantee for Ukraine.

Either the peace deal is not credible and we should give Ukraine as much as possible to help them keep up the good fight. Or the peace deal is credible enough to cement it with some US troops.

>>513397020
> The only true loser is Ukraine
And Europe, Germany in particular. Biggest Loser. Ever.

>>513396645
If he did then Russia lost, huge part of the conflict starting in the first place according to them was the potential NATO enlargement on their backyard

>>513396377
> Europeans patting each others back over literally nothing achieved, still think they are relevant somehow
We just want peace so we can cut off 0.5% off our interest rates....

>>513395595
Retard they literally mentioned article 5 (the italian leader especially) in air quotes several times. That's unironically the plan: if Putin breaks the deal, hundreds of thousands of European volunteers pounce on them

>>513397018
That’s the joke. Everything that has come from both of these meetings are the vaguest corpospeak one liners and anonymous political official sources being misconstrued by the media to mean whatever they want it to mean. Just last week people thought that we were giving up Alaska. Now “NATO-style” guarantees are all but guaranteed.

>>513397312
> volunteers
KEK

>>513396645
He didn't. Those guarantees were already accepted in Istanbul; the agreement constitutes the framework Russia demands for the agreement. There will be no Western troops in Ukraine, and Russia will be a guarantor member of the agreement, with veto power over any deployment.

>>513397312
>European volunteers
You first

>>513397312
Not sure if that would really be needed. EU could easily blockade Russia's Baltic sea access (as well as the Kalingrad land access of course). That alone might be enough.

>>513397372
Let me try a new headline:
> Russia was offered NATO membership to deprive them of all motivation to attack any NATO member including Ukraine.

>>513397432
>KEK
Yes retard there are 1.5 million European soldiers. At least 1/3 of them won't cry like a bitch and opt out. Even a single NATO country's worth of an airforce would be enough to cockblock Russian advances over treaty lines. That's maybe 1/50th of Europe's army

>>513397372
>Just last week people thought that we were giving up Alaska.
That was historical levels of retarded media pulp, I do not know how people are were even allowed to publish this shit, at this point you may aswell just highlight non-existent events and hype them up, pretending they actually happen and call it "news".

>>513397312
Russia will be part of that "article 5"-like thingy, just like Budabest aggreement. China will be in it too.

>>513397432
At 20k/mo salary

>>513397534
Pure chuggie cope
There will literally be no deal without western security guarantees

>>513397551
It's not a draft you fucking schizo lmao.

>>513397619
It probably will be necessary. Putin will fight even if 99% of Russians are starving to death. It is all he has left in this life is this war

>>513397534
There will be european troops overlooking the border and you will seethe. Not that this matters because there will be no piss deal, this is MAGA fantasy

>>513397619
> could easily blockade Russia's Baltic sea access
> easily
A blockade is an act of war and Russia could sink any ship involved as mere "defense".

>>513397970
Are you genuinely too retarded to understand the blockade would be in response to another Russian attack?

>>513397970
>Russia could sink any ship involved as mere "defense".
With what, their submarine the Moskva? They can't even maintain naval superiority in the black sea against an army with no navy, the fuck you think will happen against actual armed NATO cruisers and subs?

>>513397670
>Yes retard there are 1.5 million European soldiers.
For the sake of argument let's grant that. How experienced are those soldiers? How many armored vehicles do they have? How many air defense systems and how capable are they? How many artillery systems? How many shells do they have? The answer to all those questions is simple. Not enough.
>Even a single NATO country's worth of an airforce would be enough to cockblock Russian advances over treaty lines.
Unless you specifically mean the US as that single NATO country, I'd like to know which one you mean. I really only want to know so I can laugh at you even harder.
>That's maybe 1/50th of Europe's army
European armies are a sophisticated form of welfare, their purpose is not to fight wars, so they aren't set up do to so.

>>513398145
the same thing they did to actual armed NATO "tanks" lmao

>two more weeks
Motherfucker

>>513398145
>the fuck you think will happen against actual armed NATO cruisers
same thing that happened in Red sea? Your cowardly ships flee once houthi drones fly?

>>513397922
>Not that this matters because there will be no piss deal
There probably won't be, since Europe will talk like you do, and Russia won't agree to that. Hopefully Trump will have the balls to just walk away from Ukraine at that point, but even if he doesn't, that won't change the fact that Ukraine can't win this war, no matter how much support they get.

>>513397534
>Russia will be a guarantor member of the agreement, with veto power over any deployment.
LMAO
Russians think Ukrainians want guarantees over alien or polish attacks ?

>>513397763
The guarantees will be as Russia says.

>>513398171
EU countries have hundreds of modern fighter jets, several hundred alone in Baltic area. Total aerial superiority.

You can just launch mines from the Baltic and Finnish coasts...

Most important thing is that Zelensky did not oppose land swaps

>>513398171
>Not enough
>he still thinks the Russian bear is real
They got fucking destroyed by cold war NATO left overs, what do you think will happen when a SECOND army with modern equipment attacks them? Are you actually retarded? Not even hardcore Russian propagandists believe they can handle that without nukes.
>that single NATO country
Practically any of them. F-35s are stealth, they cannot be effectively targeted by any of Russia's aircraft. It would be a bloodbath
>europeans are not for fighting wars
If you ignore all of human history, you are correct

>>513398026
There won't be "another Russian attack" unless it's a false flag.

>>513396826
Well Trump reasoning with the mineral deal is that Putin won't dare attack american workers and investment in Ukraine.

Find it not very credible imo. Putin will break the ceasefire before american investment comes anyway.

>>513398145
Their hypersonic Zircon is one hell of an anti-ship missile.

>>513398243
Those NATO "tanks" didn't have air superiority covering them. It's funny how Russians think slav wars are like fighting a European power. Delusional

>>513398857
>European
>power.
pick one

>>513398568
Who's going to fly these jets, EU pet niggers or the white men whom the EU treats like an occupied population?

>>513398857
Russia will just use nukes

>>513398857
But like, what if we didn't want to go to war and nuke the planet? You're wargaming over who has shinier toys when there's a big chunk of the planet who want peace.

>>513398655
>wtf why do you want troops in Ukraine do you want ww3
>ackhually there won't be another Russian attack :^)
Average Russian shill schizophrenics

>>513398783
Hypersanic wunderwaffles got deleted by Patriots, and even if we assume every Russian projectile landed perfectly it still wouldn't matter because even among the destruction of Europe's burning navy they would still outnumber Russia's in weapons dramatically. Their Navy is weak, it is time to stop jerking them off. Their flagship got deleted by a lone cold war naval missile. They suck

>>513399060
>>513399063
>OOK OOK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK
Not my problem

>>513398668
> Putin will break the ceasefire
There won't be a ceasefire. Peace deal or war keeps going. Russia won't attack after the peace deal has been signed unless Ukraine violate their obligations. If Russia wanted more of the cake NOW is the best time to take it, not after Ukraine had time to rebuild their military capacities. Don't people comprehend this?

>>513399139
> Hypersanic wunderwaffles got deleted by Patriots
Sure.

>>513399242
Best time to attack would be in case of a political crisis in Ukraine after peace and during next Ukrainian elections

>>513399241
>death death death
Being an edgy faggot isn't a convincing argument. You sound unhinged and retarded. I'm asking you why can't peace be a thing?

FRESH BREAD
>>513398749
>>513398749
>>513398749

>>513398478
No, but they will not relinquish control. What would prevent Ukraine from invoking a violation to deploy troops arbitrarily? Obviously the Russians will want veto power, as negotiated in Istanbul, which is the framework of this negotiation and what Putin offered to Trump. There will be no Western troops in Ukraine and the Russians have made that clear.

>>513398568
EU countries have aging fleets of dogshit jets and effectively no ground based air defenses to protect their forces. Russia has dramatically expanded their production of new combat air craft, all of which are more capable than anything Europe fields except for the small numbers of F-35s, which will suffer from severe attrition in the case of war due to low availability rates and long ranged Russian strikes on their hangars and air fields. The EU would literally do worse than Ukraine has if they fought Russia right now. They don't have the GBAD to compensate for the fact that they can't gain air superiority, and giving Ukraine almost all their air defenses didn't help that.
>several hundred alone in Baltic area
None of the Baltic states operate a single fighter plane. So unless you mean aircraft stationed in those countries by other countries, you are just plane wrong. If you do mean the aircraft stationed in those countries by other EU countries, then you're also wrong.
>>513398639
>They got fucking destroyed by cold war NATO left overs
Oh yeah, I'm sure Russia will collapse when the racially superior Ukrainians simply mow down enough Russian meat waves. That's the fantasy you guys are clinging to right now right?
>what do you think will happen when a SECOND army with modern equipment attacks them?
The way the Russians figure it, they've chewed through three Ukrainian armies with modern equipment already. Having heard their reasoning, I don't even think they're wrong, although I don't think about it like that. An EU army would just get ground down too.
>Not even hardcore Russian propagandists believe they can handle that without nukes.
Hardcore Russian propagandists, much like hardcore EU or NATO propagandists, are not very smart people. Your failing is going "Well Russia's propaganda is wrong, therefor Ukrainian propaganda is what I should listen to" when in reality you just shouldn't be listening to propaganda.
>Practically any of them.
name one.