Thread 513399154

I understand how this works.
To defeat Putin, you need to agree to the terms he offers. And the sooner you do this, the less you will lose and the more you will distance him from what he wants. You see, Putin has not broken NOT A SINGLE agreement in the history of his rule; hostile propaganda may lie that this is not so, but it will provide no real evidence for that. The fact is that Putin has not broken NOT A SINGLE agreement; this also applies to the territorial integrity of Ukraine so long as it respected the rights of Russian-speakers, their right to freely practice their religion, and also remained a neutral state (the aspiration to join NATO is written into Ukraine’s constitution, the law restricting any languages other than Ukrainian, the ban on the Orthodox Church). And since Putin has not broken NOT A SINGLE agreement, he has an IMPECCABLE reputation as a business partner. Putin’s agreements with Russia’s friends are mutually beneficial deals and guarantees. Putin’s agreements with Russia’s enemies are a very interesting game, where Putin allows himself to be deceived in the moment in order to use that deception in the future to discredit you and to justify higher demands from the position of an even stronger opponent. Each time you refuse, the next time becomes less favorable for you until you lose completely. It is like a casino game where luck “works” in favor of the casino. The victim is obsessed with anger over the losses and each time hopes to “win it back,” but in the end is left with nothing.

And yes, the key point: U.S. Republicans are traditional friends of Russia - if you think Putin and Trump are opponents in negotiations, you're mentally retarded.

>>513399154 (OP)
You don’t understand the US’ faceless and schizophrenic foreign diplomacy. Our goal is to keep cheap Russian energy separate from European manufacturing thus keeping Europe dependent and Russia isolated.

>>513399154 (OP)
>not broken NOT A SINGLE agreement; this also applies to the territorial integrity of Ukraine
LMAO
>so long as it respected the rights of Russian-speakers,
AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>513399154 (OP)
Smash the reds.

>>513399154 (OP)
It's really very simple: we're a great power, the multi-polar world is real, don't build missile defence systems

>U.S. Republicans are traditional friends of Russia
Ah, yes, senile neocon kikes with generation hateboner for everything russian are the friends of Russia, of course.

>>513399559
I appreciate your point of view, but I think that time will tell whether what you said is true. My opinion is this: Trump needs to pull the US out of the Ukrainian adventure without losing his historical reputation, and I believe that he cannot do this without Putin. What Trump already knows and is actively cooperating with him behind the scenes (“Closed channels” - as we say)

>>513400240
First of all, this is about "ability to make agreements," not about cultural love or dislike. Historically, Republicans have been much more capable of making agreements than Democrats. Historical statistics. The existence of Russia and the U.S. under such conditions becomes more beneficial for both countries

>>513400384
It’s already been accomplished. Ukraine’s pipelines will never flow again, if Germany turns on what’s left of Nordstream they’d be labeled as war criminals and the Yamal pipeline is set to stop by 2027. All of which happens regardless of whether the war ends in 2 weeks or 2 more weeks.

Russo-realisy principles when dealing with Putin and his minions

>Everything they say is a lie until proven otherwise
>Treaties ain't worth shit. They will invent a propaganda reason or create a false flag if they want to break it
>Concessions are seen as weakness. Give an inch they'll soon try to rip your arm off
>Study soviet techniques, especially salami tactics and nuke threat propaganda (Russians invented the nuclear winter meme)

>>513399154 (OP)
>U.S. Republicans are traditional friends of Russia
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Putin most likely current plan is to take remaining Donetsk by sucking Trump, thus depriving ukraine of defense for future agression.

He's already planning to break the ceasefire. He will stage a false flag or claims ukrine dont respect something and attack.

You will not convince me that Putin is willikg to abandon Kherson and Zaporozhia capitals and Odessa.

>>513399154 (OP)
I dont like Putin and his government but the russians in general are pretty based people.
Now I will say this. Put aside Putin, the war, whatever. Russia has always been and will be an enemy of The US and the west. This is not because of the hate for russians, but it is business. NATO was created so no war would ever hit Europe again, and Russia is the enemy of NATO, regardless if it is or was a threat or what. This is so NATO can exist. If Russia joined NATO back in the days, there would be no reason for NATO to exist. NATO is a big business with a shitload of emplyees and external companies that is dependent on NATO. So even tho you get the most liberal and cute government with LGBTQ people and what not, you would still be the enemy of The West.

>>513399154 (OP)
>And yes, the key point: U.S. Republicans are traditional friends of Russia
Are u drunk?

>>513401181
NATO is not an anti-Russia or anti-Soviet alliance. NATO was primarily created to occupy and gatekeep Europe from reverting to nationalism. NATO's secondary purpose is to consolidate a governing body over diminishing hydrocarbon resources, most of which are in Russia.
NATO is an American military protectorate copy-pasted from The Protectorate General to Pacify the West (Anxi Grand Protectorate). The only way of removing it permanently is to overthrow the pacification government that is arranged by US agencies and their HUMINT operations, and to overthrow it you would need a violent revolution, and doing that would trigger an immediate Article 5 and have all of NATO bomb you, which would also require a horizontal revolution (like that of the Spring of Nations / Revolutions of 1848) that goes across all of the continent at once. And for every such move they have prepared an Orban or a Meloni to soak up the dissent and pacify it.

Nice try at a default psyop.

>>513401003
No shit sherlock
Everyone knows it
Hence why there won't be any peace since Putin wil refuse any "security guarantee"

>>513399154 (OP)
They aren't ready for this conversation

>>513400794
>NATO Nafo-troons reality principles when dealing with Western Euro globohomo and its minions
>>Everything they say is a lie until proven otherwise
>>Treaties ain't worth shit. They will invent a propaganda reason or create a false flag if they want to break it
>>Concessions are seen as weakness. Give an inch they'll soon try to rip your arm off
>>Study glownigger / CIA / mI6 techniques, freemasons techniques, jesuits techniques
Yes basically this.

>and nuke threat propaganda (Russians invented the nuclear winter meme)
BTW Russia is living the nuclear winter,
in Siberia, it wasn't perma frost in Siberia (or Canada btw) about 200 years ago.

>>513399154 (OP)
>Putin has not broken NOT A SINGLE agreement
Kek. Haven't read anything this dumb in a long time.

>>513402261
Must be nice to live in the country that has the truth and your government is just and never lies, LMAO, what unselfaware faggots you are, you don't even know McCain or the 90s US conservative stance on russia, you are such lying degenerates LMAO

>>513403045
It really is amazing Russians are the only flags on this board who rarely criticise their government
Really makes u think doesn't it

>>513403154
>It really is amazing Russians are the only flags on this board who rarely criticise their government
OP and this guy: >>513402261
are so-called "lakhta" i.e. Olgino trolls

>>513399559
>keep cheap Russian energy separate from European manufacturing
which never happened
>keeping Russia isolated
Putin is doing a great job of that on his own

>>513399154 (OP)
Westoids are too brainwashed to understand the nature of Russian legalism. Our retards love to follow the letter of the law but not its spirit. Westoids would said that le Kremlin always lies while it technically never betrays the treaties. Instead our retards love to word them in a way that would be beneficial regardless of what happens.

>>513401676
NATO is also a tool to prevent develloped european countries to devellop nuclear weapons.
That's what russia dont understand about dismantling NATO, it would trigger butthurt belter nuclear programs to defend themselves from Russia.

Similar alliance with SK and Japan have the same objective. Those smart ass asian could get the bomb super fast.

>>513403904
Whatever you say.

>>513404179
The more countries have the nukes, the safer the world is. I'd give the nukes to everyone, especially to african and mesoamerican niggers.

>>513404284
Kinda agree, but both US and Russia want to keep nuclear proliferation control to keep their imperial status

>>513403965
That's not legalism. That's just lying.

>>513399154 (OP)
>>513400758
Retards forget that for all the talks of warmongering, the Bush administration lifted sanctions on Libya, while Obama/Clinton proceeded to bomb Gaddafi.

>>513399154 (OP)
what is putin double is now just a mask, and lavrov is the new king? real putin too old / ill ?

everybody said it was body double in aslaka and lavrov did most of the talking

>>513403154
Putin:
>here is deal
Butthurter:
>FACK U Pootler
Putin:
>Okay, no more deal
Butthurter:
>Wahhh, why won't you give us the deal you said you'd give us, you don't want to give us the deal you promised that we mocked and broke now that we're scared and want it again! Pootler is the ultimate deal breaker.

>>513404597
Trump sort of called that out.

>>513399154 (OP)
>NOT A SINGLE
and Rome never started a war of aggression

>>513404419
>following agreements to their letter is lying
That shit works even within the country. If the law is stated in some way, it would be inacted in the exact way it's worded. As some of laws our retards create can me out of touch with reality, it oftentimes leads to stupid moments. For example, we have extradition agreement with Uzbekistan. Some Uzbek citizens (mostly ethnic Russians) join the Russian army. After some time, the Uzbek authorities find out about this and demand their extradition to try them as mercenaries. Instead of giving these people Russian citizenship, they are simply handed over to Uzbekistan right from the front line. I know of at least five such cases, and they always become quite public.

>>513404699
yeah it was really weird moment. could it be that REAL putin is just too ILL to even make these decisions ?

>>513404951
>>following agreements to their letter is lying
Implementing lies within the agreements renders "following them to the letter" as lying.

What's the point of using language at all if you're going to be disingenuous niggers? Might as well nuke you and call it day.

>>513405390
>Implementing lies
What lies? If we have an agreement to not fuck each other's sister for 365 days a year and that agreement is automatically renewed each January the 1st but then during a leap year I fuck your sister on the 31st of December, does it count as breach of an agreement?

>>513403965
>Legalism
>Just storm in and tell to vote at gun point
You don't even know what legalism is

>>513405887
If that's the "agreement", then the West is justified in wiping Russia off the map. The Kremlin can't even conduct basic business.