Thread 513406658

The cocaine addict rejected the peace offer
>Ukraine will NOT accept any deal including territorial concessions to Russia and insists on a ceasefire as the first step towards a full peace agreement.
Trump is a useless man incapable of putting pressure on this beggar.

https://x.com/clashreport/status/1957557434097992178

>>513406658 (OP)
Pukraine

>>513406658 (OP)
Trump the Putin's cock holster and his shart of piss deal everyone.

Why won't Russia accept a ceasefire? Why are they so lusty for blood?

>russia: we want territory and don’t want security guarantees
>trump: okay great, deal
>ukraine: we want security guarantees and don’t want to give up territory
>trump: okay great, deal
Some other cuck leader would have spent days negotiating some middle ground to get just one deal, Trump gets two deals for barely any effort at all, master negotiator!

Trump incapable of exerting pressure on a jew? Imagine that.

>>513406658 (OP)
is land more valuable than a ukrainian life?

>>513406954
Because Ukraine will use this time to obtain even more weaponry and maybe they will finally start deporting Ukrainians from Europe back to Ukraine.
Imagine Ukraine being beaten to the ground and only agreeing to a break to get the upper hand.
Ukraine's entire position is literally ‘we will never agree to your terms but stop punching us’

Starlink off…3…2…1…war is over

>>513407112
Why would he want to?
He WANTS to get out of this shitshow.
He WANTS Europe to tardwrangle the jew.
He NEEDS simpler stage for the midterms.

>>513407475
Elon doesn't want bad publicity. Imagine getting the blame for Ukraine's Untergang

>>513407348
>we will never agree to your terms but stop punching us
Is this supposed to be a bad thing? Maybe stop invading them like a bunch of savages

>>513407651
>Why would he want to?
Because he has an image of himself as someone who's not completely inept at everything he does, despite being completely and demonstrably inept at basically everything he does.

>>513406954
The last time they did, Euros gleefully called them stupid for allowing Ukraine to re-arm

Fool me once, etc etc

>>513406954
yeah Russia is out for blood and invades countries for no reasons whatsoever.
Now go back playing lego and remember: you can't post here again until you turn 18.

>>513408307
"Not being inept" is nowhere near "tardwrangling uppity megalomaniacal kike midget".

>>513408429
>for allowing Ukraine to re-arm
... so it can defend itself against Russia

>>513407348
>Because Ukraine will use this time to obtain even more weaponry
Rightfully so. They're attempting to stop an invading force you fucking moron.

>>513408553
and why would russia allow that you drooling fucking retard?

To the last Ukrainian

>>513406954
>Why won't Russia accept a ceasefire?
Because it gives the Ukraine time to reorganise and rearm. You can't fight a war of attrition punctuated by cease-fires.

>>513406658 (OP)
Euro bros pls don't die.

>>513406954
Because that jew tactic to delay so they can rearm and build defenses back up doesn't work anymore. You seriously think they'd fall for that old jew shit? lmfao

>>513408634
Maybe because it grows a conscience, realizes that its war is wholly unjust, and admits that whether or not Ukraine (the defender) uses subterfuge against Russia (the invader) is immaterial because the moment you invade your neighbor for pure, selfish, personal gain, you give up any plausible grounds from which you can complain about "underhanded" tactics from the country you have arbitrarily invaded.

>>513407347
Worms are more valuable than all Ukrainian lives.

>>513406658 (OP)
Yes, finally we can send in the Romanian bros into war next

>>513408300
>Maybe stop invading
Did you miss the fact that a war was already going on. "Don't have a war then" is pretty low effort thinking. And given the breach of previous peace deals they will want security above all else as the "Letsby Friends" hasn't worked.

>>513408921
>Worms are more valuable than all Ukrainian lives.
Where would you place gypsies on this list?

>>513406658 (OP)
Here's how I see things going
>BOOOOM PSHKPSHKPSHKPSHK BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RAPAPAPAPAAPAPA CRRRRRRRRSHHH

>>513408300
>>513408597
He’s explaining Russia’s position you tards.

>>513409084
A war that Russia fomented. Strelkov/Girkin literally admitted to it. This has been Russia from the very start.

>>513409088
Above slavs but below monkeys.

>>513409088
We will defeat you

>>513409084
> that a war was already going o
Yeah, that Russia started after they sent their goons into Ukraine

>>513407098
Putin gains nothing from stopping the war
on the flip side ukraine gains nothing of value from surrendering
why should they stop their gay drone trench sitzkrieg?

Fake news

>>513406658 (OP)
WILL STINKY HOLD WITHOUT A CEASEFIRE?

>>513408917
Go back to plebbit, and grow up, you talk like a retarded female teenager.
Study 10 years, then lurk 2. Then you can open your cake hole.

>>513408917
>Maybe because it grows a conscience
stopped reading there. either a bait post or a child in fantasy land.

>>513408917
>why would country stop war?
>because war bad!
Maybe Ukraine should have considered violence to be bad when it was wielding it against the Russian population living within their borders.

>>513408597
If they don't agree to a deal of some kind, the country and people will cease to exist.
This won't bother jewlnsky though as he will just flee to Israel having successfully destabilized the land for the future Greater Kazaria project.

Never forget the jew hates you and wants you dead.

>>513408597
>They're attempting to stop an invading force you fucking moron.
So what sort of basis is that for a cease fire? Unsurprisingly Russia is unwilling to accept such crazy terms.

Countdown to major Russian escalstion begins, assuming they have time this year. It is stategically incentivised.

>>513409199
>Above slavs but below monkeys.
That's unifar.
Gypsies are far more resourceful than monkeys and can subsist in far harsher climates.
So are Slavs.

>>513409227
place is getting cleaned up, recolonized and reconstructed.

>Did you get him to accept ?
>No, but if we get a meeting we can...
>Oh sure, I'll call you
Trump's nigger doesn't get the indirect rejections, he thinks he'll get that meeting lol.

>>513406658 (OP)
TTLU

>>513409227
id say jewlenzkyyyyieee is one more sunset closer to seeing his last

how much more of this self proclaimed dictator for life will ukrainians put up with until day of the ropening? the grumblings are getting louder by the day

>>513409470
We will hunt russians outside of Europe

>>513409509
Its naive to think the next president wont continue.

>>513408917
Life is not a movie where the"good"guy wins in the end. You believe what you do but Russia does not share your beliefs.
You believing that they are wrong or evil or bad is not relevant to them or to their actions. They exist in the material world and Ukraine has to deal with the facts on the ground.
It doesn't really matter why they are fighting, it matters that they are weaker and are losing. They have to act in that frame. When they try to act like they are in a movie or a storybook they only end up worsening their position.

>>513408917
You have convinced yourself but not convinced Russia nor their army in the field. So what was the purpose of your little speech?

>>513409227
>Putin gains nothing from stopping the war
True, though one could argue they gain the ability for future trade
>on the flip side ukraine gains nothing of value from surrendering
They directly stop their very limited population from perishing. The only reason they would deny this is if that was actually their goal.
>why should they stop their gay drone trench sitzkrieg?
This is only possible because the world is funding their resistance for some reason.

>>513406658 (OP)
>the peace offer
There has not been any peace offer. So far there's only talks about 'potential' peace offers further down the road after an indefinite number of meetings.

Putin does not want this war to end, he has no incentive to end it either. He is happy to grind Ukraine down bit by bit over years, no matter how many Russians die, because in the end Russia will win a war of attrition because it's bigger.
If he ended the war now, even if he gained all four oblasts, it would be considered a loss because it wouldn't have regime changed the Ukrainian government to a pro Russian puppet.
That would be a loss for Putin, which is unacceptable when you're trying to restore the USSR's hegemony.

On top of that, the Russian economy would suffer if the war ended today because the stimulus into the war economy would end, creating stagflation which Putin has been trying very hard to avoid. Inflation is at nearly 10% in Russia right now.

>these replies
All NAFO faggots should be fucking butchered.

>>513408597
>Kike demands more goyim blood
Wow what a surprise.

>>513409777
You will be at the front line

>>513406658 (OP)
Trump is not only a Team Jew pedo scumbag but also just useless.

>>513409624
we both know this, yes. but the anger of disgruntled citizenry is a notoriously fickle thing

years of war, little to show, no end in sight. especially giving everyone the ol' 4chinz "polls closed due to AIDS" —no elections till further notice

Good. Also, kill yourself marroqui de mierda

>>513406658 (OP)
>Expecting them to give up land
The whole point to the war was to expand it. Zionists will let WW3 happen before they concede a single blade of grass

>>513409847
>you will be at the front line of my schizophrenic hysteria
lmao, oh yeah tough guy?

>>513406658 (OP)
THD it is, then

>>513409688
>their very limited population from perishing.
Soldiers are disposable men and jfc you guy are melodramatic. We managed to recover from two world wars back to back with additional millions of civilian death due to bombings, pestilence and famine

>>513408300
>Maybe stop invading them like a bunch of savages
The Russian invasion pre-empted a Ukrainian invasion of the Donbas, as part of Ukraine's ongoing genocide of ethnic Russians within their territory. This is why the Donbas Republics raised their own uniformed militaries and voted >90% to join Russia. Russia would not have peace if they hadn't fought back. Ukraine would have done to the whole Donbas what they did to Bucha.

>>513408917
Any war against the anglo-judean world order is just and desirable.

>>513408917
>YOU SHOULD ALLOW UKRAINE TO RE-ARM SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE THE WAR AGAIN LATER ON SO THEY CAN ASK FOR A CEASEFIRE AGAIN SO THEY CAN RE-ARM SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE THE WAR AGAIN LATER ON SO THEY CAN ASK FOR A CEASEFIRE-

Has reddit invaded /pol/?

>>513409401
>was wielding it against the Russian population living within their borders.
You mean the Russian troops who invaded the country to try to create a breakaway zone?
I wonder if you'd be saying this plaintive bullshit if a Mexican cartel took over an oil rich chunk of Texas.

>>513409192
>>513409224
Why don't you write Mr. Putin a letter explaining that to him. Then if you can combince him maybe he will invite you over for suggestions on next steps.

I can't see any other way spouting such trite and ill-formed opinions could have any impact. Who is your target audience?

>>513410048
Even if that were true (its not) your timeline is clearly and verifiably bullshit. Russia invaded Crimea in February, Donbas insurgency started in April
Get better propaganda

That's just posturing for the trilateral summit

>>513408518
that is exactly what they are doing, you nigger

>>513409426
This. Can guarantee a large Jewish diaspora will be brought back in when all is said and done. All assets stripped to U.S corporate conglomerates. 'Oh no, we have a manpower issues for rebuilding' - bringing in Jeet slaves. Then once enough Jeets have infested Ukraine. Suddenly the EU decides to take the remaining territories into itself.

>>513410268
Maybe you can give him a blowjob and tickle his balls

>>513406658 (OP)
can someone please kill the little fucking manlet please? i dont even like trump but i would pay handsomely to see him choke that little turd

>>513408917
> Maybe because it grows a conscience
Oh my sweet summer child.

>>513408917
>invade your neighbor for pure, selfish, personal gain
If you don't know anything about the conflict, you don't need to post. Russia's reasons for entering the war have been apparent since 2014, and were brought diplomatically many times. Putin released an hour long video on YouTube about it and then gave a 2 hour interview to Tucker Carlson. The peace agreement Ukraine signed during the encirclement of Kiev had the same grievances on it that were stated before and they're still core to current peace offers. If after all that the only thing you know about this war comes from Hollywood Jews who rape children, then don't post here.

>>513410089
years ago yes. They're everywhere, unfortunately. they are the literal dregs of humanity. that includes you reading this post with a plebit account: yes, YOU.

i was responsible for this (picrel)

you can find in the archives where i called this situation two days before it happened. TWO DAYS. I was an OIF zoggie in Iraq fighting Israels bullshit war for them. I knew it, because we had similar situations of the dumbest fuckwits posting their patrols online on myspace via the govt morale computers

>>513409688
14:1 Russia will die out before Ukraine does

>>513406658 (OP)
Unsurprising.
>>513410545
Trump might just, assuming he has any pull.

>>513406658 (OP)
Seriously out him by tomorrow, or I think Trump and other leaders are dangerous.

Z has no real leverage and needs stopped within an hour for doing this.

>>513410400
Unlikely because I wouldn't want to and have no reason to. That is how the the real world works, with reasons.

Maybe rethink your peace plan in those terms and see what you can come up with. Actual reasons for Russia to end the war instead of childish remarks aimed at who? You have not said.

>>513406658 (OP)
when is this ''war'' gonna be over

>>513408917
This is your war, why wont you fight your war? Dont you want to fight russia for your obama and biden idols to get rich iff your back?

>>513410351
>INVASION of Crimea
After the CIA coup in which US SOF were shooting people in the streets to frame police
>Donbas INSURGENCY
Ukraine outlawed Russian language and religion and was literally shelling apartment complexes. Zelenski is a Jew who wants to kill Slavic Christians like his ancestors did.

Easy:

Cut off all aid, negotiate euro allies to also and launch an EMP

Tell Zelensky he has 45 minutes to answer land concession requests. At 46 minutes, all power goes out, all support stops.

all this is a show for them hiding jesus in north scituate rhode island named timothy charles edward brady the real son of lady diana. she is the virgin mary and shes alive somewhere in the north east united states living at one of these giant model palaces. william and harry look nothing like her compared to king timothy whos actual name is charles fransuah (arthas from wow is actually jesus), tom brady took his life, its rather pecuilar but it will all make sense someday. i love you mommy i hope you can help someday. ive been here for 155 years, i single handly won ww1 ww2 and now ww3, the whole epistien thing is very real but also cloaked as a cover up. it was a silent war fought thru the pineal gland aka gnome eye. i dont die and fight for your sins, you ask your higher self for help with that, i come to shit holes like this just so you can say higher self.
i do love you all but there is a condition, you have to say higher self. its more of a thing if you have a favor off planet or on planet its kinda cool and nice to have jesus as your big homie to vouch for you besides your higher self. higher self virgin diana, can you help? btw there are always 2, his twin brother is actually aaron hernandez, kinda funny how they both grew up in ct and ri. the other virgin mary is princess meghan Duchess of Sussex. higher self virgin Meghan, can you help? yes tim has blonde hair and blue eyes and aaron looks more "ethnic" before racye baiters enter the thread. btw they have been dropping nuclear bombs on for a year s8. what if i told you us 4 have nuclear halos...

>>513410268
Putin is 5'3" and 160lbs and has no chin. No point in stopping the war when r*ssia losing 15:1.

>>513406658 (OP)
>NO AGREEMENT

Fair enough.

Its time for the Bears to carpet bombing Ukronazi cities then.

>>513406658 (OP)
Let the games begin.
lol

>>513408518
As if humans are immune to bloodlust? Small brained fuck

>>513412223
with what bombers?

>>513411670
what if i told you Revolver Ocelot aka tim aka charles actually looks like he does in the game, and for comparison what mommy looks like.

this is all exceedingly stupid
obviously for the war to stop the shooting has to stop
Putin simply rejected Trump's peace deal, why isn't anyone calling it that?

>>513406954
Because it's not done in good faith, it's an excuse for Ukraine to catch a breathe and re-arm.

If they truly had 14:1 ratio of kills, why would they want a ceasefire? They would walk all the way to Crimea and possibly even to Moscow...

>>513412813
i told you.

>>513406658 (OP)
>tf from a country that lets squatters live in someone else's home and forces the owner to pay for water and electricity
appropriate

>>513406658 (OP)
what part of Zelensky's promise "to the last ukrainian" did you not understand?

>>513406954
why won't France and the other GAYTO countries stop feeding the delusional coke addict and make him think he can continue unlimited war?

>ukraine will
Ukriane is a social construct. Which actual human beings decided this? And which mountain are they hiding under?

>>513411257
>After the CIA coup
>US SOF were shooting people
blatant pidorussian lies, there's literally no evidence to support the pidor propaganda lies.
>Ukraine outlawed Russian language
there's literally no evidence to show this.
>and religion.
kek, what's the "russian religion"? Is it the KGB church created by Stalin in 1943? ... after they murdered tens of thousands of real priests from 1917 to 1943.
>shelling apartment complexes.
there's literally hundreds of videos of russians mercs shooting into Donetsk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFpPvM-YqHg
>wants to kill Slavic Christians like his ancestors did
that's pootin, whose whole family served the commies (his grandfather served both Lenin and Stalin) and helped kill priests, nuns and "from 1917 to 1987, the communists destroyed about 50,000 churches and temples."

>>513411257
>kicking someone democratically off is a coup
>nobody banned Russian language
How does Russian cum taste like? Samagon base with hints of mud and dedovshchina?

>>513412955
wait a second, i don't remember Diana looking kike a turbo yent. huh.

>>513413351
like* but i guess that works too

>>513413186
>a social construct
that's literally your pidorussia, pidor.

>>513406658 (OP)
They will accept. At this point it's crystal clear that resistance only means even fewer territory will remain Ukrainian. Zelensky will be removed from office one way or another.

>>513406658 (OP)
how many times was it explained to him that concessions would have to be made on both sides and thats how deals work. OBVIOUSLY that means giving up some land, in exchange millions of lives are saved. instead they choose to kill another couple million or more people. awful.

even if you think russia should just leave and ukraine shouldnt give up any land, thats not pragmatic, thats not realistic, thats not happening, thats not reality. reality is are millions more lives worth it for that clay? convenient of course that your own life isnt on the line and im sure that will colour your decision to support continued meat thrown into the grinder.

The us could just bomb ukrainian strongholds. They won't expect it and it could be downplayed as a front by russian forces. Then nobody will have to hear about this retarded nonsense ever again. Zelensky has already stated he won't give mineral rights OR land and they beg for munitions and cash on every day that ends with y. So there is nothing to be gained by helping him continue this fiasco any longer. All the Ukrainian men are already dead so it's not like you can help them either, and women are interchangeable and without loyalty.

>>513412955
lady diana is natalie 007, there are multiple of them. LETS SEE WHAT RUSSIA ISRAEL AND USA KNOW ABOUT THESE PUSSY PALACES ALL OVER THE WORLD HOLDING WOMEN HOSTAGE.

>>513413454
>fewer territory will remain Ukrainian
lmao, Over the last 1,000 days of war, pidors have captured less than 1% of Ukraine's territory. Let that sink in, pidor.

I have the strange feeling that nobody in this thread is capable or willing to denounce the Talmud or the divine origin of the Torah.

>>513406954
Russia is winning and has leverage. Why would they want a ceasefire without getting legal claim to what they've paid for in blood?

>>513406658 (OP)
US should cut every form of aid and intelligence gathering. Just let them get fucked in the ass within a month. It'd be the fastest way to end the war.

>>513406658 (OP)
>Trump is a useless man incapable of putting pressure on this beggar.
And Europe is weaker. Trump has inbreds who bought Trump bibles because they believe dying for Israel their destiny. Europe has illiterate bums they have not been able to tame.

>>513413524
Unless Ukraine gets to the join NATO there's really no point in giving up land to the Russians because all they'll do is just arm up and mass on the boarder to launch another attack in five years time. And then what? Give up that land to them only to have it happen again and again? All you're doing is just enabling bad behaviour because then any country with nukes can act like niggers by brutalising their neighbours for quick land grabs and forcing them into concessions by threatening annihilation. Why would you even want to live in a world like that?

>>513414546
they were offered nato style security guarantees and a military presence from a coalition of european countries, zelensky expressed satisfaction with this. formal membership has been off the table forever and trump told zelensky that again at todays meeting and everyone understands and agrees with the situation.

>>513414966
Those security garauntees aren't long term. Putting aside that they got screwed out of previous ones the only real absolute security they can have is NATO membership. It's the only way forward and Putin doesn't like that then he shouldn't have started a war he couldn't finish.

>>513406658 (OP)
trump is a good negotiator, you just don't understand him SPIC

THE BUSSIFICATION OF EVERY HOHOL MAN, WOMAN, AND CHILD WILL CONTINUE INDEFINITELY UNTIL NATO SAYS OTHERWISE.

>>513408788
It kind of baffles me that no one attempts to jump in these situations.Bettter than just guaranteed death.

>>513415160
do you want to drag nato into a war with russia? really? that means you will be drafted and send to the front lines of ww3 if you`re not nuked first. maybe think about the consequences. thats why nato membership was always off the table and always will be off the table. its a fantasy. it is not fucking happening. how many millions, or tens of millions, or hundreds of millions of lives must be lost before you give up on some fucking clay? russia only wants the parts of ukraine that mostly speak russian anyways they wouldnt even be able to reintegrate the rest.

>>513415467
Well like I said, outside of giving their nukes back Ukraine needs real security and NATO is as real as it gets. Giving up land to Russia just means they'll rearm and reinvade again in the near future and appeasement is just really bad in general. They aren't going to stop at the contested regions, they want all of it.

>>513415339
do you think people somehow jump like super mario?
average humn jump height is 7 inches

>>513415665
buddy i don`t care
you talk about not wanting to live in a world where russia takes all of ukraine. well at least we would be alive in that world. ww3 we are fucking dead, your family is dead, entire cities of people wiped off the fucking map. for ukraine? for justice and honour and to punish putin? fuck no, screw your war, i want to live.

>>513413194
The rest of the Orthodox world is condemning Russia and considers their Patriarch as a captured Patriarch, it's not the Church's first rodeo with these situations, we live in the fallen cosmos at the end of the day, shit happens.

>>513406658 (OP)
Eurotrash got this, because it's not my problem. We have some cool weapons they can buy though with the money we already welfared you ya pathetic faggots.

>>513410564
The only solid "reason' was denazification since everything else is schizo bullshit, lies upon lies.
This is a fascistic genocidal war.

>>513415819
There isn't going to be a world war 3 you spazz. Putin isn't nuking shit because he wants to retire in comfort and not in a bunker. What you want is a world where every crackpot gets to bully whoever they want and hide behind the threat of nukes while they start as many regional conflicts as they like. I understand that as a Canadian you have a genetic predisposition to submit to threats of violence but I for one would not like to see a world where our nations can enjoy autonomy without the fear of being gobbled up by superpowers.

>>513415819
>we have to appease russia or they'll commit mutual suicide by nuking us
How about they fuck off or NATO nukes them? No one wants to live in a world where every few years we give in to some ridiculous demand from Putin under threat of nukes. If he wanted Ukraine he should have taken it already. I don't really care. But the fact is he can't. He is weak and he needs to be told directly to fuck off.

Until the last Oinker

I hope EUfucktards somehow manage to make Trump escalate things.

I want to see China already entering the stage.

>>513413893
If you pay for something illegal and you get scammed you deserve it, no one should recognize your rights regardless of the cost.

>>513416106
yes, putin should fuck off, but he isn`t going to. so shut the fuck up. you`re talking fantasies about nuking russia and not getting nuked back? or you just dont care if you and your entire family get vaporized in atomic fire for ukraine? retarded

>>513416101
the reason the threat of nukes works, is because we dont know for sure if the enemy will use them or not. somehow you know they wont? well nobody else shares that certainty hence the caution.

>>513416081
....what? Nigger do you not know Ukraine used their dam to rerout the only river bringing fresh water to Crimea? That's the entire point of the war, it's why he keeps demanding only the eastern provinces and doesn't care about the south he secured harder, the eastern provinces have the river. This entire war is over Ukraine's attempt to deprive Crimea of fresh water and Russia's attempt to hold Crimea. The rest is just press.

>>513416344
>the reason the threat of nukes works
In that case we better just give the entirety of Ukraine to Russia then because they'll threaten to nuke us. Fucking mongoloid.

>>513416344
>you`re talking fantasies about nuking russia and not getting nuked back
No, idiot. No is nuking anyone for exactly that reason. They bluff by threatening to nuke us. We know they won't. Just return the favour.
Stop acting like scared little bitch afraid of your own shadow. Putin wants to live. Trump wants to live. Everyone wants to live who gets that much power. They aren't going to suddenly kill themselves just to get you and your grandma. Fucking pussy.

>>513406658 (OP)
only solutions is boots on the ground then? It is time to conquer ukraine and get the money they owe us

>>513406658 (OP)
What was the point of these meetings? They could have just called the jew of Kiev and save everyones time, what a clown show, if Trump is not going to force him to do it he wont

>>513416344
>you`re talking fantasies about nuking russia and not getting nuked back
and you`re talking fantasies about russia nuking nato and not getting nuked back
like russia and putin is some force of nature
No one falls for your pearl cluthing anymore

>>513416106
>we
Who is we? You're Canadian, are you under attack by Russia, you fucking retard?

>>513409558
You won’t do shit, you constantly seething turd worlder

70% of ukrainians are in favour of negotiating an end to the war.

>>513416467
we`re not giving it to them. they won a small portion of ukraine at incredible expense of thousands of armed vehicles and a million of their men. thats all they get and it wasnt free

>>513416474
they`re old they`re not going to live anyways, they`re not long for this world. maybe they want to go out with a bang. maybe they believe they can sit it out in a bunker. maybe theyre deluded, or mad, or retarded, or evil. there is a risk and ukraine isnt worth that risk. its just not, even the ukrainians dont want this war anymore

12% volunteer rate these days for ukraines armed forces. the rest of new recruits are drafted.

IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DIE FOR UKRAINE THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP you are willing to sacrifice others lives but not your own? ukraine is accepting foreign volunteers but here you are on your computer shilling for others to die in a war they dont even want to fight anymore DISGUSTING

>>513416689
Who would die if the nukes are launched, genius? Everyone. We being everyone on the planet. When Putin or one of his dipshit mouthpieces threatens nukes it is directed at everyone.

>>513416467
>Hurrr
I don't know why you Eglin Bruce-alikes are so upset anyway, wasn't this the plan from the start? That if Ukraine went poorly we could just drop it like a hot rock and move on? I know none of you actually expected to get a bloody nose but now that you're here it's time to act on that part of the plan.

If you cared about Ukraine's territorial integrity you wouldn't have pushed them into a proxy war you knew they couldn't win alone and that you knew you'd back us out of as soon as the tides turned.

>>513416474
>UM WHAT KIND OF PUSSY WORRIES ABOUT NUKES?!?!?!
Gradeschool tactics like this also deserve a smuggie Chad. Get to high school where you can learn about MAD.

>>513409847
You cowardly natofags talk so much shit for people with a track record as pathetic as yours

>>513415160
Ukraine should have just tried to rush EU membership to be honest. In security terms its basically the same thing as NATO anyway

>>513406658 (OP)
>>513407347
>>513409401
>>513411257

SLAVA COCAINA
https://files.catbox.moe/gd5uam.mp4

>>513406658 (OP)
So why was the MSM hyping it up as some big peace deal coming to fruition?

>>513416679
no, if russia nukes nato they will get nuked back, i never claimed otherwise. i was arguing with the retard who said nato should just nuke russia

>>513416845
>we`re not giving it to them. they won a small portion of ukraine at incredible expense of thousands of armed vehicles and a million of their men. thats all they get and it wasnt free
So what you're saying is that if you launch an illegal invasion into another country, you get to keep what you steal because enough of your own guys die for it and vague threats of nukes? Man it's a good thing people like you aren't in charge of anything. I think Russia should fuck off from the contested regions and take those bodies with them, that's all they deserve.

>>513406658 (OP)

Then need to use plan B : USA and Europe declare war against Russia. And don't even dare to think than Spain not will involved.

>>513416845
>reeee we're all going to die you must go die for ukraine if you say you don't want to give into the demands of anyone that brings up nukes we just can't risk it
You're a paranoid loser or an awful shill. Suck my dick or I'll nuke you.

>>513417032
No youre the schizo bringing up hundreds of millions dead and cities nuked off the map
Your words in this very thread

>>513406658 (OP)
TO THE LAST HOHOL!

>>513416637
Trump had to try - neither side is willing to compromise past a certain point. it appeared that Trump felt that Putin's position was stronger and expected zelenksy to come to his senses.

but no, appears not lmao. war it is

>>513406954
Because they're advancing and have momentum and if peace talks failed then they've given their enemy a chance to rearm, refresh and train men for the front. Pretty fucking obvious.

>>513417053
thats not what im saying. im saying putin cant just steamroll across all of europe and take all the clay. he can barely take just the east of ukraine and it was very expensive to take that. he is not being given east ukraine, they had to fight for it. is not right, its not justice, its reality. that land was conquered, thats life. accept it or millions more die for clay and for what? for justice? grow up
>I think Russia should fuck off from the contested region
so do i. i agree. BUT THEYRE NOT GOING TO RETARD SO ITS A MOOT POINT

>>513406658 (OP)
So, what does that little goblin Zelensky think he can do, continue fighting when the treaty is signed?

>>513416081
Jew detected

>>513417111
nobodies giving into demands. russia had to fight hard to conquer that land. it wasnt given to them. we just shouldnt be willing to go to nuclear war over it.
>>513417157
thats what ww3 looks like retard. a war between nuclear powers thats a very real risk that some cities get nuked. both sides have thousands of nukes. if there is even a 1% chance of that happening then yes, lets be a little cowardly about this, thats practical

>>513408597
The idea is that the cessefire is supposed to be part of a peace agreement. Using the pretext of a peace agreement to obtain weaponry with no intent to come to negotiations is bad faith. As a result, there can be no ceasefire and no peace agreement.

>>513417219
Yep, its sad to see more ukrainians get killed for nothing, they have no path to victory and hundreds of thousands are forced to serve as slave soldiers to the jewish dictator, fucking grim

>>513406658 (OP)
to the last ukrainian and the last russian!

>>513417350
>Dude just grow up, just let Russia keep what they stole. It's only practical that we enable their nigger behaviour by giving them an inch of their territorial aspirations so they feel emboldened to do it again a few years later!
No. How about they get nothing and fuck off? I say we give Ukraine NATO membership instead? Then there'll never be any need for Russia to invade again, ever.

>B-but nukes!
No. If he wants to nuke Ukraine then I hope he's got a spa in that bunker because every single glowie on the planet is gonna find a way to bust into there and lob his head off. You talk a lot about "growing up" but your only argument is to submit to the bully, which we will not. Here in Australia, we stand up to bullies.

The JEW hatred for Russia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyrJdHI429U&t

Jews HATE Putin and Russia and always will. Modern Russophobia is driven entirely by Jews by way of their media and influence in academia.

>>513417513
No, Anon. I work in a nuke silo. I will bypass the safety features and nuke you if you don't get over here an suck my dick. Yes there is only a 0.00000001% chance that this true, but obviously you don't want to take any risk with poor grandma.
Stop posting immediately. Go to your nearest Tim Horton's. Wait one hour and then walk into the kitchen. Ask for Ralph. We'll go from there.

>>513417909
You are half way accross the world, why do you give a shit about Ukraine or Russia?

>>513417909
how about you grow the fuck up and stop talking fantasies about russia fucking off, they`re not going to even though they should. so talking like this is useless.

submitting to the bully? there is your childish playground talk again. this isnt a playground. this is a war, russia had to fight very hard to take that land, and now we have to accept that ukraine is not able to take it back and would waste millions of lives in the attempt. and that escalating this conflict to the point of the very real risk, not certainty, just risk, of nuclear war, is just not worth it.

i am discussing this in practical adult terms while you rant and rave about bullying and how putin should fuck off.

>>513413693
>less than 1%
There is not a map in existence that backs your claim

>>513418043
>0.00000001% chance
there is a greater risk of a city getting nuked in a full on war between nato and russia than 0.00000001%
be realistic

>>513409227
>on the flip side ukraine gains nothing of value from surrendering
You smokin crack or somethin??

Mothers get to keep their Sons
Wives get to keep their Husbands

>>513418213
so why cant ukraine, who have fought very hard to defend the rest of their land, choose to join NATO?
or is only russia allowed to do what they want?

>>513408597
>>513406658 (OP)
daily reminder ukraine started the war

>>513408917
>JUST WAR LMAO

>>513418346
Which is why there will never be a war you cowardly simpleton. Be realistic. The people in charge are greedy turbo materialists who are terrified to die more than even the rest of us are.
We need to ignore their threats of mutual suicide for the same reason you are still posting and not preparing to suck my dick. They aren't credible threats.
So either stop being a pussy for Putin, or get over here an suck my dick to appease me too, because the chance that nukes will actually fly are the same.

>>513418125
Because if we enable Russia's military prospects then that enables China's as well. I'm not like you and I don't live next door to power hungry despots but I think we can both agree that we shouldn't be giving them concessions on anything.

>>513418213
Only Russia has suffered casulties over a million now while Ukraine has suffered comparatively little. I don't care how hard Russia fought for those patches of land, they should not be rewarded for it. There's nothing practical about allowing other countries take blant, illegal action against their neighbours and your complete obsession with this is something I find very suspect. Russia have proven themselves to be highly incompetent in this conflict and I see no reason to give their retardation anything other than a participation trophy. There's being practical and then there's appeasement, try to remember the difference.

>>513418478
enough with this childish talk of what should and shouldnt be allowed. yes, putin should fuck right back off to russia and get out of ukraine. thats not the argument here. its not an argument of what should happen. if russia and nato go to war then theres a very real risk of it going nuclear, and we dont want that. its not worth the risk.

>>513407348
this
fuck nato and its kike mafia

>>513418595
>jews are in charge
So then the de-nazification is complete I guess. Russians can go home.

>>513418478
Because they dont have the power to destroy the russian military, thats the only way they are joining NATO so its not happening, the only question that remains now is if they want to lose now or lose later when even more people have died

>>513406658 (OP)
Trump should hust send military aid to russia to get this over with if this retared midge is going to remain in power

>>513418674
Ukraine joining NATO does not cause WW3. Russia attacking Ukraine after they join NATO causes WW3. Same way he could start WW3 by attacking any other NATO country right now. That would be entirely on him.

>>513415339
Because real life isn't excite bike

>>513418578
it is a credible threat.
do you have any ideal how many times a nuke was almost fired during the cold war? its a series of unlikely miracles that the nukes werent launched. go read a history book.

>>513418644
Checked, I personally believe that this war should be brought to an end as soon as possible, Ukraine has no shot at defeating the russian military so they should salvage what they still can

>>513406658 (OP)
Best outcome possible for the US. The US can now walk away saying "We tried but the midget is refusing to negotiate".

>>513418827
>it's soooooo scary go read a book or something because i won't risk looking like an idiot by talking deeply about this topic that i know nothing about
lol. lmao even.
You are a terrible shill. I hope they are wasting a lot of money on you.

>>513407347
Talk is cheap, actions reveal true motives. Bearing that in mind it would appear all parties involved are in agreement with your proposition.

>>513418868
Russia is too corrupt to win the war, that's why they keep itching these peace deals. Their too busy shooting themselves in the foot over and over again to make any meaningful achievements and the only reason why they're this far into it is because they just have an ungodly amount of lives that they can just throw away. If anything it's a sad testament to Russian society that they're just okay dying for nothing essentially really and in the grand cosmic sense of things, we should punish that mindset to the fullest extent we can. Maybe if we humiliate them enough they'll learn to appreciate their own lives a little more.

>>513418644
>rewarded
grow up
its not about justice or rewards. i agree russia should fuck off out of ukraine. but theyre not going to so its a moot point.

lets be pragmatic
>russia isnt leaving
>ukraine can waste a million or more lives and probably not take that land back
>this isnt worth escalating to a full on war between nato and russia over, its just not worth the very real risk of nuclear war
>countless times during the cold war both sides came very very close to launching the nukes. were even ordered to. and we got lucky they didnt. lets not push our luck for your childish fantasy talk of bullying and rewards

>>513418333
>There is not a map in existence that backs your claim
kek, you stupid retarded pidor

>>513418784
it doesnt matter who is to blame what matters is we would rather avoid the situation

Too much vested interest in the MIC to ever let this "war" end, Lindsey Graham has to keep the sheckels flowing for his Raytheon/Lockheed sponsors and constituents

>>513418941
go ask chatgpt about the times nukes were almost launched during the cold war, i`m sure it will be willing to spoonfeed you the same history the rest of us already know

>>513406658 (OP)
Lol. Ukraine is fucked. Zelensky is retarded. It's amazing he hasn't been hung by his own people yet. UKR is a fake country, it was always Russia. Dumb short retard can't realize he has been fucked since Day One and without the US he may pull equally retarded Europe into the next world war. Oh well, we'll just throw a party next year in America for our 250th while Nigel and Hans get their faces blown off for no reason as Muhommad rapes their sisters and daughters back home living free off welfare. Pathetic. All of Europe is pathetic. The best of you died in wars or else emigrated to America generations ago. We'll get richer and more powerful selling you weapons, though. Maybe even throw a few fighter jets your way if we aren't making more money off arms deals to Russia. We are thousands of miles away protected by oceans and rich in untapped natural resources. We never needed you or will need you. It's just good for us to rape the world for our gain. Sucks to suck, I guess. Enjoy WWIII, Eurasia! You literally do not matter to us!

>>513419068
What do you mean ''we''? You're not going in there and neither am I, what you are saying that other people should die because you dislike Russia, imagine its your country getting smoked, there is no way to victory and some foreign faggot is cheering it on and wants it to last longer, extremely uncouth

>>513418644
>we enable
>we
What is it with irrelevant shitholes and delusions of grandeur? There are cities in China more populous than your glorified mining outpost of a country. You don't enable or disable anything, you simply don't exist geopolitically outside your tiny marsupial corner of the world full of obese abos.

>>513406658 (OP)
Don't care. Hopefully the Ukrainians finally get sick enough of their gay little dictator to overthrow him.

>>513419352
>go ask chatgpt and it will make my argument for me
If I wanted to discuss this with chatgpt I would just do so, you fucking shill idiot.
What weird ass Cyrillic keyboard are you using where you can accidentally use backtick (`) instead of apostrophe (') anyway? They're nowhere near each other on ours.

>>513419624
you are clearly ignorant of the historical precedents i am discussing. chatgpt would be willing to spoonfeed you that information and provide sources for you to verify. i am not willing to be that patient with you

>>513419189
They're not giving up territory. Since the war began Ukraine and the west have supposedly crossed 20 red lines set by Russia and every single one that was crossed nothing ever happened. I am very confident that NATO membership for Ukraine will not cross any red lines, infact it'd end Russia's attempts at trying to invade them ever again. An easy and practical solution, as fan of practical solutions I'm sure you can appreciate it. Russia will never nuke anyone, period. You don't need to live in fear of it anymore.

>>513419446
I think it's pretty easy for you to sit on your moral high horse considering you just got granted NATO membership 2 years ago. This war is a fucking tragedy but it's one started by and perpetuated by Russia, it'd be a great disservice to Ukraine and our own principles to tell them to give up and accept their fate to being subjugated.

>>513419472
That's nice but unlike your broken society we're still more relevant than you'll ever be. All that land and history and you still can't collectively amount to anything more than thugs.

>no ceasefire
No point of negotiating for land

>>513413807
i denounce the talmud, homo faggots, and piss on the torah and koran

>>513419624
fuck it i`ll do it for you
>>in under 2000 characters explain all the times during the cold war where one side or the other came very close to launching a nuke

ChatGPT said:

During the Cold War, several incidents nearly triggered nuclear war, often due to miscommunication, technical errors, or heightened tensions. Here are key moments:

1956 – Suez Crisis Confusion: Soviet radar mistakenly picked up British and French planes as a potential U.S. nuclear strike during the Suez Crisis, briefly raising Soviet alert levels.

1960 – NORAD False Alarm: A radar in Greenland mistook the moonrise for a Soviet missile attack. U.S. forces went on high alert before realizing the error.

1962 – Cuban Missile Crisis: The closest point to nuclear war. A U.S. naval blockade of Cuba confronted Soviet missile shipments. On October 27, a Soviet submarine nearly launched a nuclear torpedo when cornered by U.S. depth charges. Only the refusal of second-in-command Vasily Arkhipov prevented it.

1979 – NORAD Training Tape Incident: A technician accidentally ran a simulation tape, making it appear the USSR had launched missiles. U.S. forces prepared to retaliate until it was identified as a false alarm.

1980 – Faulty Chip Incident: A computer chip failure falsely showed 200+ Soviet missiles incoming. Again, the alert was canceled after verification showed no attack.

1983 – Stanislav Petrov Incident: A Soviet early-warning system showed five incoming U.S. missiles. Officer Stanislav Petrov correctly judged it a false alarm (likely caused by sunlight reflections) and refused to escalate, averting potential war.

1983 – NATO Exercise “Able Archer”: This NATO simulation was so realistic that the USSR believed a real strike might be imminent. Soviet forces prepared for war, but NATO stood down in time.

Each incident underscores how fragile peace was, often preserved by individual decisions or luck rather than system reliability.

>>513419714
You aren't discussing anything. You appealing to vague authorities on the subject. You didn't even name a single book. You're just handwaving this away while reeeeing about "spooooooon feeding" because you don't actually know anything.
And again, how the fuck are you accidentally hitting backtick instead of apostrophe? What weird ass foreign keyboard do you have?

>>513419823
>russia will never nuke anyone period
really? cause they came really fucking close to launching nukes during the cold war see >>513419854

i dont want to repeat that and push our luck

>>513409509
is a proxy war as long the proxies pay the salary of the gorillas that shot the crowd that attemps the coup is difficult.
should the flow of money stop on the other hand...

>>513419624
You fucking dullard. He is 100% correct. There were events like the Cuban missile crisis, Able Archer, and a heap of false alarms and system malfunctions, that are documented and have been declassified. This is common knowledge to anybody who isn't a midwit. Nuclear strikes were almost launched dozens of times during the cold war. Take your pocket full of extra chromosomes and fuck off.

>>513419990
The cold war was 50 fucking years ago, half a century. Once again, they will not use them. Nobody's going to invade Russia so they'll forever have their security because of it. Well maybe outside of future territorial disputes with China. To nuke anything because of their failing war in Ukraine is just suicide. So yes, we'll be just fine. Finland is in NATO and they fucking border with Russia, if Put can accept that then he can accept Ukranian NATO membership.

>>513419823
>we're still more relevant than you'll ever be
To surfers, sure. Otherwise you're tied with Nauru, bogan.

>>513420231
50 years is not a long time. there are probably people in this thread that were alive back then. the us had no interest in invading the soviet union either back then but we still had all those close calls.

>>513420339
I still don't see Putin threatening to nuke Finland. Relax, we'll be fine.

>>513419854
Thank you chatgpt for allowing this idiot to bring up these events. Lord knows he could not name more than two of them himself.
All but two of these were related to equipment like radars and computer chips. Either the equipment being faulty or people not reading them correctly. Appeasing someone would not have avoided them.
One was the Soviets mistaking an exercise for a real attack. Again appeasement doesn't help.
The only one that actually matters if the fucking Cuban missile crisis one where they depth charged the submarine with low yield "training" charges to force it surface like retards.
Okay, if Putin asks for everyone to not simulate attacks on his submarines I'll let him have that one. That's an easy and reasonable request.
Telling NATO who can join and shit? No, nigger. Screech about nukes all you want. Fuck right off.

>>513406868
What in jeet speak?

>>513420284
Please ignore the nafotranny. It will hang itself soon once it comes to terms with never, ever being a woman.

>>513410370
Nice try nazi scum

>>513420414
you know what would help avoid a nuclear war? not escalating the conflict in ukraine to a full war between nato and russia. you call it "appeasement" because you`re still not thinking pragmatically. you`re acting like this is a playground conflict were the bully needs to be punished for justice.

>>513412544
the 500+ left

>>513408917
Theres nothing arbitrary about this invasion. Russians are native to ukrainian lands. Russia is protecting Russians from rabid nationalist paramilitaries and bloodthirsty russophobes.

>>513420609
Putin should appease NATO then. That would help avoid a nuclear war too. Oh he won't?
Let me guess. He's just a force of nature and cannot ever change and we just need to work around him? You are a shill.

>>513420792
i said it several times now. putin should fuck off and get out of ukraine. but like i also said already, he`s not going to. russia is not leaving. so talking about what should happen is a moot point. talking about what could happen, a war between nuclear powers, and how we should at least try to avoid that, is quite reasonable.

why arent you volunteering for the war by the way? you`re so passionate about sending other people to die. only 12% of ukrainians these days are volunteers, so ukrainians arent willing to die for this. but you`re willing, very very willing, for them to die.

>>513421394
source on the claim only 12% of new recruits to ukraine are volunteers

>>513406658 (OP)
Thank God, cna Trump finally use the alien tech on Russia and orb the shit out of Putin already?

>>513415947
>The rest of the Orthodox world is condemning Russia and considers their Patriarch as a captured Patriarch
Lol no

>>513406658 (OP)
Why is this anyone else's problem except russia or ukraine?

>>513406658 (OP)
Zelensky knows he's got the west by the balls. Think about how much money the west has sunk into ukraine, it's become the world's largest money pit, basically. the west (and blackrock) basically owns all of ukraine now. That's most likely the real reason why zelly keeps refusing to give russia an inch. He knows the west can't afford to say fuck it and drop the whole thing and let russia have all of ukraine.

>>513421570
Actually in reality, yes.
Check even official statements, Church administration issues, taken away from Russia in Ukraine etc.

>>513421394
What you are saying is stupid. You lie about believing that Putin is wrong in an attempt to make your position that Putin cannot change in any way more reasonable. You are a shill. Putin is not a force of nature. Everyone else does not need to give him everything he wants at all times or die. That is not reasonable.
>why don't you go join if you have like opinions and stuff
You must be reading these terrible arguments from a fucking pamphlet.

>>513410587
explain more or link the post on plebbit invasion

He's washing his hands of it all. The process of the meetings and agreements, is to slowly withdraw material and monetary support gradually in order to exert pressure on Zelensky to make a deal.

Zelensky tried to trick Trump on the minerals deal - he actually signed away the minerals to the UK with their 100 Year Accord or whatever it was lol. Then he came to Trump and tried to sell the same minerals again.

Trump knew and was just playin' with the lil guy too. Anyway as American withdraws the last of our support, the war will gradually end and then one day or week at the most, suddenly end.

>>513421766
i`m not saying he is a force of nature or any of that other nonsense. i`m saying he isn`t leaving. and if ukraine wants to keep trying to force russia out it will cost them maybe another million or more lives and they probably wont succeed anyways. and im not willing to involve nato in a full on war with russia over this, in part because of the very real risk of that war you want so badly for reasons i will never understand, to go nuclear.

>>513422067
>i'm not saying he must get exactly what he asks for and no less or he'll kill us, but i am saying he won't accept anything else or he'll kill us
Those are the same position, idiot. But you already know that.

>>513406658 (OP)
JUST SHOOT THAT KIKE IN THE FACE

>>513417036
Noooo Putin is Le based and redpilled saviour of the white race that btfo the Jews epic style. Pol told me soooo! Your picture is Jewish propaganda. Look how uncomfortable Putin is around Jews. Clearly he hates them. Your pics are taking out of context that he is on their side. Nice try hohol nigger

>>513422191
he wont get exactly what he asks for, he will get some of what he asks for. both sides will have to make concessions and that includes land. thats how peace deals work otherwise you`jre just asking for a surrender and neither side will surrender. so we need a deal, which will involve concessions.

>>513406658 (OP)
Oof... THD secured, didn't expect anything less from the agent Ze

>>513409646
>When they try to act like they are in a movie or a storybook they only end up worsening their position.

It's a mental problem kikes suffer from across the board, hollywood and TV fiction has fed their egos to the point that they really believe they're the good guys who win by default and anyone they fuck with isn't allowed to beat them

>>513422327
>he won't get what he asks for
Oh, like not getting to dictate to NATO who can join?
>inb4 noooooooooo not that he'll nuke us

>>513407347
Ofc, it's just goyim lives

>>513422272
Putin rules the kikes in his land, he doesnt take orders from them

>>513422456
the west doesn`t even want ukraine in nato, that`s why they were told no. we don`t want that risk

>>513415339
biker here, it just isn't possible to do without atleast a 5 seconds preparation and it's an unnatural move you have to practice.

>>513406954
Because they can't stop winning, why would you quit when you are non-stop winning

>>513422555
>we
Nigger you have some fucked up Zambian keyboard without an apostrophe key. It's pretty obvious you're not one of us.

>>513409873
PRs are not real Americans

>>513420792
Nato are faggots. Russia won ww2 they dont need to take shit from anyone let alone surrenderers like France.

>>513422456
why are you seething?

>>513406658 (OP)
was starmer the last person who spoke with Z?
didn't follow it but Z is the UKs man

>>513422666
you shut your mouth, satan. we wont fall for your LIES!
We all know hes israels man.

so it's one (((man))) deciding he will ethnically cleanse Ukraine before giving up the land that is supposed to be backup Israel?

>>513407347
Zelenskyy would rather every last able-bodied Ukrainian man die than admit he lost the war and give up one acre of Ukraine

>>513421647
some of us have friends in there and it may cause ww3 you dumb nigger

>>513422642
>it was real in my mind
Okay, tankie.
>>513422662
Why do you rape children?

>>513422625
'
but this ` looks nicer i think. has that angle i would expect from an apostrophe. ' looks like shit

>>513407348
Pretty concise

>>513422882
Then why dont you go there to fight? Why be a coward bitching on the internet.
Pusssssssy. Little serbian PUSsssSsssy! too afraid of the big spooky russians to fight?
Pussssss-pussss-pusssss-pussss.

>>513422882
oops your para-gay, not serbia. >.<

>>513422936
You're not even consistent. Sometimes it's a ` and other times it's one of these `

>>513406658 (OP)
>just give up then you'll stop being attacked
This is fucking retarded
But also there should have never been any US involvement in this situation

>>513422991
both sides nigger

>>513423037
doesnt even look like serbia, its more like the croatian flag you silly nigger

>>513422894
Do something retard. Ya cant.

>>513423151
>yeah well uh yeah
Okay.

Silly nigger indeed. I was replying to a name fag. thats the worst sin of all >.<

>>513408917
this is how destiny spergs. are you destiny?

>>513423055
>You're not even consistent. Sometimes it's a ` and other times it's one of these `
that`s the same symbol both times
anyways i`m still right in all my arguments which is why you are changing topic

neocon warfags are worthless scum and should be gassed

Politics is fake and gay.

Watch the Zapruder 8mm JFK reel. It’s 30secs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJFT-OyDEc

What the fuck is Jackie doing?

Now watch it again @ 0.25x, you can see something flies off behind John, Jackie (“Jackie”) tries to catch it, the SS behind the car attempts to grab it but the car starts accelerating and he can’t keep up, then “Jackie” SCRAMBLES onto the trunk of the ACCELERATING VEHICLE to grab it, then sits back down.

What. The. Fuck.

“Jackie” was grabbing for something, not fleeing, she’s focused. What was she grabbing for? Something that might give away the game perhaps? A squib? Part of the ‘exploding head’ prosthetic?

Fake and gay. All of it. For decades, probably centuries.

>>513423462
Maybe it's just my shitty font but it looked different.
Anyways, you don't have a fucking argument other than that we should roll over whenever anyone says the word nuke.
Pointing out that you are not one of us, considering you don't even have a standard keyboard, is not changing the topic.

>>513410133
Fuck NATO rapists

>>513423746
and you have no argument except to oversimplify my argument for the purpose of strawmanning. which is what shills do.

>>513406954
They would lose their momentum for no reason.

>>513423746
Pointing out that you are not one of us, considering you don't even have a standard font

>>513423928
You're just fear mongering. It isn't complex.

>>513424008
a war between nato and russia has a very real possibility of going nuclear, thats not just my opinion, its the common geopolitical consensus amongst all world leaders hence why the west will continue to deny ukraine nato membership

the msm wants a world war, for the views and clicks and profit. hence why they spin up all these retards to shill for war and try to sabotage peace whenever possible.

>>513423997
It's just the default font.
Here, look. The first appearance of the thing you use for your missing apostrophe appears slightly differently than the others. I don't know why. Normal English speakers don't use that symbol.

>>513406658 (OP)
Good. I was starting to worry that Putin would cuck.

>>513408553
>so it can defend itself against Russia
America didn't overthrow the Ukrainian government, install a bunch of kikes, and send massive amounts of weapons to Ukraine to "defend Ukraine from Russia". The reason we want Ukraine to be strong is to not only create a massive security threat for Russia, but also to prevent Russia from interfering while Ukraine ethnically-cleanses its south and east of Russians, and turns Crimea into a NATO Naval Base.

>>513424243
it looks exactly the same in your pic
you`re seeing things and this is quite retarded

>>513409873
>pretending not wanting to die for Israel is astroturfed
lol
Dual loyalty "citizens" need to leave and pick up their own fucking check for once
The only reason you can even complain about Muslims invading America is because you convinced us to invade them and then convinced us to rescue them after the fact

>>513408917
Cringe.

>>513408518
The world is rational. You retarded fucking nigger.

The vast majority of the world tacitly or implicitly supports Russia. Have you ever wondered why?

>>513424109
Telling Putin that he doesn't get to dictate NATO membership is not a declaration of war. Finland and Sweden just joined. He didn't do anything.

>>513424332
Zoom in on the picture, dumbass. It's okay if you're not as observant as I am, the computer will help you.

>>513424420
because browns are cheering for white genocide.

>>513424421
because we wanted finland and sweden more than russia does and there`s very little risk of russia invading either. a very real near certainty they continue their invasion of ukraine even if it does join nato. and then we would have a war between nuclear powers.

>>513424513
something wrong with your pixels bud, not my problem

>>513424560
>a very real near certainty they continue their invasion
Not if they are in NATO. It would be suicide. Why do you think you're being paid to post this fear mongering drivel? If Ukraine is in NATO then Russia can't do shit. Which is why (you) are seething so much about the idea.

>>513406658 (OP)
jews are willing to sacrifice to the last goyim.

>>513424536
>because browns are cheering for white genocide.
How is wanting Ukraine to agree to neutrality akin to supporting white genocide?

It is precisely Ukraine's supporters who are the biggest pushers of white genocide.

>>513423213
Its true. Russia can handle you and a whole lot of you. China backs it too. Nato is an enemy organization.

>>513424669
and yet the western leaders continue to deny ukraine nato membership so clearly nobody of any importance, nobody with any inside information, nobody with access to intelligence agencies, shares your misinformed but passionately held opinions

>>513408695
Putin can just leave tho and the war would be over. Lmao.

>>513424799
>Ukraine's supporters

>>513417053
russia doesn’t want to leave. so what can be done?

>>513424799
Russia is a Mongol mutt empire and western Ukraine is actually white. so yes the eternally butthurt 3rd world shit skins are happy to see it destroyed.

>>513424852
Of course they do. Ukraine is currently at war. Them not being able to join under current conditions has absolutely nothing to do with Russia getting to dictate who can join NATO as part of a negotiated peace.

>>513406658 (OP)
Ziggy doesnt want the war to end. he knows hes done when it does. fuck you.

>>513406658 (OP)
I hope our ruskie friends can manage to stop them out, this shits gone on too long

>>513424938
They can keep dying by the thousands for villages that already were abandoned and turned to rubble for another year.

>>513424886
he doesn’t want to leave. so now what!

>>513406658 (OP)
Didn't he say he liked the map trump provided wtf?

>>513425033
and yet nato membership was denied long before the war
we don`t want to have nato membership with a country right on russias border that russia very much wants to invade.

>>513425152
>>513425073
Simple as

>>513425073
ok. so you don’t have a problem with the Russians staying

>>513425218
They SHOULD leave but nobody’s crying for Russia’s astronomical body count. Not even Russia who’s basically banned all statistics regarding the war lmao.

>>513425180
More like you can't really trust Ukraine's government especially before the invasion as it is full of Russian operatives and corruption linked to Moscow

>>513425218
ok. so you don`t have a problem with thousands dying every week for land that russia isnt leaving

>>513424941
Russia isnt claiming west ukraine. Its claiming what is theirs, and Donbas is that. Ukrokikes need to step off.

>>513425180
NATO already has a bunch of countries on their border. Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, Norway, if I didn't forget any.
Putin's mouthpieces talk about invading the Baltics all the fucking time.

>>513424941
WHAT THE FUCK DOES ANY OF THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING I SAID YOU MOTHERFUCKING MORON.

Ukraine was under Russian rule since they begged for Russia's help from Poland all the way until 1991. The idea that if Russia takes over it's going genocide the Ukrainians is utterly retarded.

The only person genociding Ukrainians is Zelenskike. I'm the most white and most racist person on 4chan. It's not right-wingers who support Ukraine. It's leftist faggots who support mass-migration and white men cutting their dicks off. The United States is the most anti-white country in the entire world. There is nothing that would guarantee white genocide more than Russia to lose this war.

>>513425293
>Russia isnmt claiming

Imagine believing anything Russia says. Its like believing a gangster isn’t gonna rob you because you just need to appease him a little lmao.

>>513425272
ok, cool. ukraine has this in the bag and all other countries can stand by and watch their inevitable victory

>>513425299
Yeah but they cant amass arms. Escalation of arming will provoke a response. Nato is the enemy.

>>513425419
No no no, Russia’s got friends helping them out, Ukraine is getting some friends to help them out. We’re all having a fun war here (mostly watching Putin not win the war everyday) LMAO.

>>513425299
but he invaded ukraine. and not any of those other countries. if he was going to invade any country we knew it was going to be ukraine and we didnt want to be involved at that level. we`ll send funds and support but we are not willing to go to war with russia over ukraine. and neither are you. after all here you are sitting at home when you could go to ukraine yourself. you could risk your own life instead of just calling for others to risk theirs, lead by example. of course only 12% of ukraines recruits these days are volunteers mind you.

>>513425278
they can do what they want. i’m not going over to fight. are you?

>>513425350
Russian government is already Geocoding it's own people with churkas and mongols you fucking retard

>>513425402
>uh were announcing our invasion get ready now make sure you kill as many of our soldiers
Ever tried not being retarded?

>>513424109
Nukes are fake, like all politics. See: >>513423635

>>513425514
no and im not going to shill for more people to be forced into this meatgrinder either

>>513425555
>Russian government is already Geocoding it's own people with churkas and mongols you fucking retard
Have you looked around this shithole lately? Russia is a white ethnostate compared to America.

>>513425513
And he didn't invade any country in NATO. And yet you act like you are terrified that suddenly he would do that. Despite there being zero examples of it.

>>513406658 (OP)

Ukranians are jews right

>>513425563
Yes, Russians lie, constantly. And any retard shill saying “Russian claims” are valid are just retards.

>>513424243
Are you still talking about apostrophes? This punctuations been talked about for hours. Are people still talking about this? This crap? That is unbelievable. I can't believe you're asking a question on apostrophes at a time like this, when I`m having some of the greatest arguments, and also tragedy with what happened in Ukraine. It just seems like a desecration.

>>513425506
but you’re sure that ukraine and it’s “friends” totally got this? cool. the US can sell some weapons and make some money on ukriane’s guaranteed victory

>>513425588
then what?

>>513425675
You already replied to that post 20 minutes ago. Are you senile?

the whole point of this "war" was to kill as many white men as possible so jews can replace them.
apparently there are still white men in Ukraine.

>>513425622
it`s not me that decided the risk was too great. it was decided by basically the entirety of nato. who turned ukraine down many times even before the war. they certainly know things you don`t about the situation

>>513425350
Russian ownership of the ukraine predates modern russia or the ccp, it's like russkie ohio.

>>513425614
was this a conversation about America? No it wasn't, we can make a long list about what is wrong with America, but we were talking about Russia

>>513425645
>libshit memos
Piss off nigger

>>513425688
I guess so. Russia is selling weapons and making some money on their own side with Iran and whatnot? What’s your point?

>>513425733
i was expecting you to continue arguing about the apostrophe so i wrote it out but you stopped and i still wanted to post the funny thing i wrote obviously

>>513425588
putin definitely needs to leave but you’re not going to fight yourself? americans need to? who needs to?

>>513425795
Before 2014 Yanukovich was in charge. He was a Russian puppet and would never ask to be in NATO. After 2014 they were partially occupied and fighting with Russian proxy forces and "little green men". Of course they weren't allowed to join NATO while they were controlled by Russia, or while fighting Russian forces.
None of this means they cannot join after the fighting stops.

>>513425733
Go to fucking bed Lindsey Graham, stop posting under your Canadian VPN. Nobody wants to die for your shitty ass bullshit "war".

>>513425776
Close, but not quite. The point of all war is to murder young men, as left to their own devices young disenchanted men will outcompete the ruling oligarchy

>>513425879
what’s your point? you’re the one thinking russia can somehow be kicked out of ukraine by just buying weapons.

>>513425939
you have lost track of the conversation. i want a peace deal. and thats obviously going to require concessions, including land. i am not in favour of the war in ukraine, i am against more lives thrown into this meatgrinder.

>>513425827
No. You're trying to narrow the conversation to something completely irrelevant.

As I said, nothing would guarantee white genocide more than for Russian to be defeated in this war. If you had any fucking idea what this war was about, you'd already understand that. But you're a fucking moron who knows absolutely fucking nothing. And because of that, you can offer exactly ZERO solutions to anything. And furthermore, because you're so goddamn stupid, you end up supporting the very things you think you oppose.

Of course, this assumes you're not just a lying fucking kike.

>>513426019
Nobody claimed anything of the such. All peolple are saying, Russia should leave or they can keep dying for next to nothing like they have been for the past 4 fucking years now lmao.

>>513425946
>conspiracy theories about russian puppets
ok buddy sure
ukraine was never a sovereign nation and always led by russian puppets? thats not the argument i would go with if i was you

>>513426150
Where is Yanukovich today?

>>513426047
oh, shit. i did. a while ago. right on

>>513426192
ukraine was never a sovereign nation and always led by russian puppets? thats not the argument i would go with if i was you

>>513426076
>As I said, nothing would guarantee white genocide more than for Russian to be defeated in this war.
Wrong, Russia suffers frim the exact same sickness a the USA. Multiethnic global power Nations always destroy the ethnicities the built them. why? because the elites of those countries always begin to favor the conquered slave labor than the citizen who demand equal rights.

>>513426076
> As I said, nothing would guarantee white genocide more than for Russian to be defeated in this war

I wouldn’t worry about it too much. At least they have Israel!

>>513418644
>enabling china's militaristic prospects
If china wanted to subjjugate a country they wouldn't do it with tanks, planes, or cyber attacks dumbass.
They would simply refuse to make your shit for cheap and watch the economy implode.

>>513426236
Where is Yanukovich today, buddy?

>>513426047
>i am against more lives thrown into this meatgrinder.
Then you’re going to be disappointed, as that’s the goal of the oligarchy that controls both Russia & the West.
>>513426076
This war is fake and gay like all politics, Jews aren’t the big bad, they’re merely a deliberately cultivated conspicuous middleman Other that the ruling oligarchy can use as a fall guy now and then

>>513426321
They would use another country to cause the trouble to keep them busy. CCP has outright admitted this already.

>>513426269
All empires are multiethnic, retard. How else can they expand? What do you think happens if Russia loses this war? Why is America pushing NATO so hard?

Furthermore, if your goal was actually to destroy multiethnic empires, how would you do it?

As I said, you're too fucking stupid to understand the problem. Which is why you're too fucking stupid to fix the problem. You are dooming us all and you are too blind to see it.

>>513426334
Still not replying to anyone else. Shills arguing with shills to keep the thread open. Fuck your shitty ass "war", Lindsey.

>>513426385
Fuck off schizo.

>>513426334
ukraine was never a sovereign nation and always led by russian puppets? thats not the argument i would go with if i was you

>>513426519
The thread passed 300 replies ages ago, newfag Zoomer retard. It can't be bumped anymore and stay "open".

>>513426501
lmao Russia wipes out Ukrainian cities and floods them this Asians a churkas to re colonizes, they have labor program importing millions of North Koreans that will never leave. YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON

>>513426501
>>513426297
Lmao

>>513426580
>i don't have an argument so i'm going to pretend like you should do that or something
lol okay

>>513426587
Shut the fuck up.

>>513426542
You’ll never free yourself if you can’t look behind the shadows on the wall, slave. >>513423635

>>513426729
lurk moar before posting

>>513426617
>lmao Russia wipes out Ukrainian cities and floods them this Asians a churkas to re colonizes, they have labor program importing millions of North Koreans that will never leave. YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON
Russia is not flooding them with shit, retard. Stop looking at cherrypicked images and projecting that onto the whole.

It is true that Russia has brought in some Tajiks as unskilled labor because they're having a massive labor shortage caused by the war. The United States did the same thing during WWII with Mexicans(the Bracero Program), then we deported them all after the war in Operation Wetback. There is practically a Civil War brewing in Russia already over immigration, and Russian immigration is a tiny fraction of what happens in America and its Western European vassals.

>>513426625
>i don't have an argument so i'm going to pretend like you should do that or something
lol okay

my argument was that you`re saying ukraine couldnt join nato because yankowhateverhisnameis was a russian puppet. well what about before that. ukraine was never a sovereign nation and always led by russian puppets? thats not the argument i would go with if i was you

>>513426580
>>513426334
You're frothing at the mouth over a pantomime

>>513426754
>You’ll never free yourself if you can’t look behind the shadows on the wall, slave.
Freedom doesn't exist, retard. You cannot be governed and be free.

I have no fucking idea what the fuck you are talking about, but politics is the art of the possible.

>>513426781
>The United States did the same thing during WWII with Mexicans(the Bracero Program), then we deported them all after the war
ahah I'm talking so a sub room temp IQ here

>>513426872
I literally said something true and you called me stupid. Fuck off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

>>513426781
https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/putin-muslim-migration-backlash-russia-immigration-policies

Bad news, putinbro LMAOOOOOOO

>>513426783
How far back do we need to go. Are you going to go full retard and ask why they didn't join before 1991 next?

>>513426949
wow they deported back 1/4 of the people that came over. Then they just waited a bit and came back over later

>>513427143
>wow they deported back 1/4 of the people that came over. Then they just waited a bit and came back over later
I linked you the population over time. You're wrong. Again.

Things only began to change in 1965.

Regardless, you're a god damn moron and I'm so sick of listening to your retarded comments. Why don't you learn something before you speak?

>>513427024
so ukraine has been a puppet of russia for that long is that what you`re saying?

>>513426845
>You cannot be a slave and be free.
Correct.

>politics is
A psyop. Nothing more. All are born free and remain free as long as they don’t bend their will to a power-serving psyop.

Again, watch the Zapruder 8mm reel, it’s 30 secs, you have no excuses: >>513423635

>>513427270
that's not population over time retard that is deportations per year

>>513406658 (OP)
>The cocaine addict rejected the peace offer
i love russian shills so much. /pol/ simply wouldn't be the same without these faggots herding retards.

>>513427343
>All are born free and remain free as long as they don’t bend their will to a power-serving psyop.
Civilization means authority. Men were only free before civilization.

In a state of civilization, freedom is everywhere and always an illusion.

>>513426777
Been here longer than you, shillfag.

>>513427440
well he does twitch a lot when asked to sit still for any amount of time, it`s hard not to notice. not saying he is a cocaine addict but its not like the accusation is coming out of left field. maybe he just has adhd

>>513406658 (OP)
Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys.

>>513427330
If anyone interferes with anyone else in any way then they are their puppet is that what you're saying?

>>513427396
You are conflating the Bracero program with all Mexican immigration(or all naturalized American citizens who were born in Mexico). The point is, we removed shitloads of spics, and many more just went home voluntarily so they wouldn't get deported.

>>513427508
Then you're are incredibly stupid if it took you more than 20 years to learn about the bump limit.

>>513427664
you`re the one that seems to be saying that

>>513427757
No, that's what you would like me to say. Because you are a shill.

>>513427677
immigration number were at a million a year in the 40s, they got near that one year. combined with the other years they let in more than 5 million that didn't go back. Foreign worker programs were the tipping point for the USA, just like it will be with Russia, they have a foot hold now and they elites like their multyethnic slaves.

>>513427825
The foreign workers were deported. They were never immigrants. They were on temporary VISAS(just like now). Again, you are conflating different things.

so just to wrap things up

>putin should leave, but he won`t, so that`s a moot point
>ukraine can`t force russia out but they could waste another million lives trying
>its not worth the risk of escalating to a fullblown war between russia and nato, especially considering how many times we came very close to getting nuked in the cold war
>70% of ukrainians want to negotiate an end to the war, only 12% of ukraines recruits now are volunteers, but reddit types are demanding they keep getting fed into the meatgrinder but wont volunteer themselves