Thread 513409840

>>513409840 (OP)
>The first who reigned among them was the first Nimrod, son of Cush, son of Ham. He had dark skin, red eyes, and a deformed body; horns grew on his forehead. He was the first black person after the Flood. He was born black because of the curse pronounced by Noah against his son Ham. No one was ever more arrogant, more proud, and more unjust than Nimrod the Black.

>>513411200
There is a theory that Nimrod is Ninurta/Ningirsu (and possibly Nergal/Ninanzu after his fall). But Ninurta was a hero and very similar to Heracles, although Nimrod was also a "great hunter" (both Ninurta and Heracles were also hunters, but also civilizers and heroes). There was a strange tradition to consider Heracles the king of the world of the dead and identify him with the evil gods Nergal and Šanta, possibly he is Susanoo-no-Mikoto (Gozu Tennō. There are theories that Susanoo-no-Mikoto is Baa. Some Greeks also considered Hercules to be Bel/Baal).

Heracles was also known as Melqart (Milku/Milcom) and the Phoenicians revered him very much, Hiram was from Tire who built the Temple of Solomon (and in the temple there were two special columns, one of gold, the other of emerald and it glowed at night. Prototype Boaz and Jachin?)

https://www.academia.edu/105697381/Nergal_the_god_of_death_Emerges_from_the_Abyss_and_the_Mistaken_Correlation_to_Remphan_and_the_Star_of_David

https://www.academia.edu/50834604/Ninurta_Nimrod_Son_of_Enlil_Satan_the_First_Post_Flood_Hybrid

(btw the Greeks also believed that Krishna(Harekrishna) is Hercules, although he is also similar to Balarama. Balarama's symbol is a plow and a club, like Ninurta)

Masons hint
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Satan
that these theories may be true

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_cueva_de_Salamanca
(note, he built talking idols and spread some knowledge. supposedly the devil began to work in the cave over time and Hercules had nothing to do with it... but I'm not sure)

>>513411200
>>513412709
Krishna was black and there is a connection with the root krn/qrn/crn, these roots are connected with horns (ancient Krishna had horns), but in some languages also with the color black. There is a Slavic Chernobog and there were assumptions about its connection with Krishna. Cronus/Kronus (at least he was definitely horned) is also connected with this, the same La Coruna is connected with Hercules (btw Cernunnos is the same Cronus and Cernunnos was connected with this https://balkancelts.wordpress.com/2015/07/04/cernunnos-and-the-ram-headed-serpent/ these creatures were hinted at in the Hellenic mysteries or look at the Scythian goddess with snake legs and looks to snakes sticking out of her shoulders, this is the wife of the Scythian Hercules)

thank you for this info, though most of it sounds crazy but i'll look into it.
kronos = osiris = saturn = yima = dumuzid (= cain? ≈ hades)
ruler over a primordial agrarian/agricultural golden age where men were immortal and did not have to work, fratricide/patricide motif, overthrown by newer generation of gods, enjoys idyllic eternal rest and peace in the underworld, has a underworld wife who spends part of the seasons with him and the other part outside the underworld (representative of the seasonal cycles).

tubal-cain = ptah = hephaestus = vulcan = tvastr = cyclopes = dwarves
fashioned lightning bolt of the supreme god, master blacksmiths, crafted magical antediluvian artifacts guarded as hidden hoardes of treasure by dragons inside mountains/caves in much later medieval myths (those dragons are the same shapeshifters/giants/gnomes from earlier traditions)

>>513409840 (OP)
I expected leapord print.

>>513412709
>(btw the Greeks also believed that Krishna(Harekrishna) is Hercules, although he is also similar to Balarama. Balarama's symbol is a plow and a club, like Ninurta)
Right away I see a problem with this postulation, Balarama is the BROTHER of Krishna, Krishna and Balarama both exhibit Herculean charactersitics, but Krishna moreso as a diety and Balarama as a powerful mortal who is close to Krishna's physical strength.

>>513412807
>ancient Krishna had horns
nope, there is not a single original text that claims he had horns, that is a latter anachronism bought in by western comparitive historians that has no basis in reality because they wanted to join Krishna with Pan instead of associating Soma with Pan. Its classic western subversion.

>>513414035
>cain
The Jews worshiped a certain Kaiwan, who was identified with Saturn.

The Roman Quirinus was associated with spears, has the root krn in his name and was a fratricide. The name Cain... literally means spear, perhaps the R is simply missing from his name and perhaps he is Cronus

Tubalcain/Tuvalcain
Tu (Vulcan) (aka Hepestaus) original father of Apollo
Canni bal

Apollo has a second side(original side) and was associated with plague and disease. He was also identified with Nergal, Resheph. The Etruscans associated him with wolves, goats, volcanoes and he lived underground and was known as Śuri/Soranus. His name is deciphered as Aplu Enlil, son of Enlil.
https://handwiki.org/wiki/Religion:Aplu_(deity)

btw about cronus
carnival (carn + val aka baal. b and v are interchangeable.)
ball(dance)
During his reign(aka golden time), parades were constantly held, but... these parades were associated with sacrifices

>>513415907
https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/rig-veda-english-translation/d/doc837168.html

It is difficult to differentiate between them, but Balarama-Saṃkarṣaṇa = 1000% Ninurta/Ningirsu. The Greeks considered Balarma to be Dionysus and Krishna to be Heracles (although there were traditions of identifying them)

I think Balaram is related to Bel/Baal and Indra. It's the same fratricidal slaughter from the Baal Haddad cycle where he fights with Yam and Mot. They started well but it all ended badly

Cain and Abel
Osiris and Seth
Indra (Balarama) and Krishna Vedic
Perhaps there was also a massacre between Nergal and Ninurta

>>513414035
note that Nergal (Heracles) was depicted with snakes sticking out of his shoulders, like Zahhak, and also one-eyed (like Odin. The image where he is red-haired completely matches the description of Il Dadajl himself)

babylon
b read as v
vavylon
avylon
avalon

valhalla
val halla
bal gallu(sumerian demons of underworld connected with nergal)

>>513414035
Everything is so confusing that the ancients themselves got confused and sometimes assumed that one god had several fathers. But for us, it is generally impossible to put together a single picture.

In Philo's Phoenician History, Sanchuniathon is quoted and he writes that Thoth-Hermes-Mercury founded religious mysteries, confused myths and introduced the worship of snakes and dragons
(and the Romans identified Odin and Lugh with Mercury, and Muslims considered Enoch to be Mercury. Perhaps Enoch = Sumerian Enki/Anki, this was suggested to me by a neural network, but who knows, it's all very confusing. Btw Talmudian I AM אָנֹכִי when googling gives pages from the Talmud/Torah and a page of Enki-Ea in Hebrew, lol. It is also consonant with the Egyptian cross Ankh)
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/אנוכי
just look at how it is written and sounds (it even sounds similar to Anunnak)
he.wiktionary.org/wiki/אנכי

Mercury's name contains KUR, this is connected with the Sumerian world of the dead Kur

>>513416595
My god you are making some extremely tall claims on the basis of nought.
>It is difficult to differentiate between them
For who? I dont know what you are basing this on because nothing supporting that exists, Balarama and Krishna are basically products of the 5 Vrishni-Veeras traditions.
Most of the relationships you postulate are mere interpretatio graeca, its not based in reality of what they actually are.
>Indra (Balarama) and Krishna Vedic
Nope, Balarama is not directly related to Indra, you clearly havent heard of the Naneghat inscription where Balaram and Krishna and the vedic gods are invoked, why invoke them seperately?

Sidham to Dharma, adoration to Indra, adoration to Samkarshana and Vāsudeva, the descendants of the Moon ("Chandra") endowed with majesty, and to the four guardians of the world ("Lokapalas"), Yama, Varuna, Kubera and Vāsava; praise to Vedisri, the best of royal princes!

This shows the invocation of Vedic and Vrishni heroes in the same hymns.

>>513419534
So you are not embarrassed that Krishna himself later identifies himself with Yama?
>Of the many-hooded Nagas I am Ananta, and among the aquatics I am the demigod Varuna. Of departed ancestors I am Aryama, and among the dispensers of law I am Yama, the lord of death.
And that in Hindu texts the gods sometimes absorbed other gods and identified themselves with them?

>Kubera
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabeiri
related to the semitic word great(kabir), sumerian word copper(kabar) and the Arabic akbar

Kubera - CubeErra (cube his home)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erra_(god)
(again Nergal-Heracles. Note that kubera was the lord of wealth and was associated with a special club and was known as the conqueror of nagas-snakes, like Hercules)

>>513414035
>fashioned lightning bolt of the supreme god, master blacksmiths, crafted magical antediluvian artifacts
It's Greek Telchines(water dogs. made the lightning of Zeus, the sickle of Cronus and the trident of Poseidon) = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahuizotl_(mythology)

>Anahuac is the ancient core of Mexico. Anahuac is a Nahuatl name which means "close to water." It can be broken down like this: A(tl) + nahuac. Atl means "water" and nahuac, which is a relational word that can be affixed to a noun, means "close to."
Atl+nahuac = Atlnahuac = Atlantis/Atnlantic

>>513422448
Anahuac also sounds like Anunnak,
Sumerian Enki (Enokhi/Anokhi)

The Telkhines escaped from the sunken island

>>Anahuac is the ancient core of Mexico. Anahuac is a Nahuatl name which means "close to water." It can be broken down like this: A(tl) + nahuac. Atl means "water" and nahuac, which is a relational word that can be affixed to a noun, means "close to."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Votan
>F. Núñez de la Vega, bishop of Chiapa, says, in the preface to his Synodal Constitutions, that in the visit which he made to his diocese towards the end of the last century [i.e. the late 1600s], he found many ancient calendars of the Chiapanese, and an old manuscript in the language of that country, made by the Indians themselves, in which it was said, according to their ancient tradition, that a certain person named Votan was present at that great building, which was made by order of his uncle, in order to mount up to heaven; that then every people was given its language, and that Votan himself was charged by God to make the division of the lands of Anahuac. The prelate adds afterwards, that there was in his time in Teopixca a great settlement of that diocese, a family of the surname of Votan, who were the reputed descendants of that ancient populator

>>513420537
>So you are not embarrassed that Krishna himself later identifies himself with Yama?
Why would I be embarrased? Yama is the lord of death, so Krishna has become like that, Krishna is Vasudeva's Avatar, the Supreme Lord Vishnu, his Vishvarupa he has the forms of all of the mentioned gods and more. So what he says there is sound according to mythology.
>And that in Hindu texts the gods sometimes absorbed other gods and identified themselves with them?
Yes in certain cases, but not in the postulations you presented, above I explained why Krishna can say that he is Yama as well as he is the all pervading deity. Now explain how Balarama is Indra.

>Kubera
>related to the semitic word great(kabir), sumerian word copper(kabar) and the Arabic akbar
That isnt Kubera, its Cabieri, Kubera has a completely differnet Etymological origin,

>Kubera - CubeErra (cube his home)
Pure speculative fiction as usual is not proof.

>(again Nergal-Heracles. Note that kubera was the lord of wealth and was associated with a special club and was known as the conqueror of nagas-snakes, like Hercules)
Kubera was a Prince of the Yakshas and had a consort called Bhadra which is not reflected in your postulation that Kubera is Cabeiri, also why does he have a conch and lotus which is not present in western Cabeiri? Why is the name Caberi related to Hibari which is looters in semtic I think, but no such association exists in Kubera? its two completely different dieties with a slight similarity in names and one is related to wealth while the other to metallurgy. Cabeiri has no mention of snakes or being against snakes as far as I know. So once again, you are just giving into your apophenia

>>513422971
Kubera is the lord of spirits and wealth. Like Nergal or Odin
>you're lying
Fuck, he's described as one-eyed like Odin

>Cabeiri has no mention of snakes or being against snakes as far as I know.
The Cabiri are the same as the Kurets and Corybantes. It's unclear what the Cabiri were associated with, but it seems to have been with Hades (the lord of wealth. Like Pluto. There was a tradition to consider the kings of the underworld rich and Hercules Melqart was also known as the lord of a rich city) and Hephaestus (associated with copper and they themselves are actually dependent on it, they are also reptiles. Remember the cherubim, fire snakes or copper snake in. bible. The son of Hephaestus is literally a snake man. Just look at Sabazius, Serapis, Osiris or how Dionysus etc was depicted in the mysteries, they were all depicted as snake men/nagas/apkallu)

Btw
https://www.academia.edu/38359556/Who_was_the_deity_worshipped_at_the_tent_sanctuary_of_Timna?source=swp_share