Thread 513409878

I feel like there is enough research now to prove this. It is pretty clear when you look at the skull morphology of the earliest skulls found in the America's.

For example, the Yotzin skull was just recently discovered and has features reminiscent of ancient Australian aboriginals. The same can be said for the Naia woman, Luzia woman skull and the other Lagoa Santa skeletons. All these skulls have features similar to Australian aboriginals, and all date back to a similar period (10-13 KYA). The same can be said for Kennewick man, whom also has morphological traits that are quite different than modern Indians. I can continue with other examples, such as the Angeles Mesa skulls found in California which look extremely similar to the recently found skull in Yotzin. There is the Penon woman, the Metro man, the Chimalhuacan man. All of these paleo-indian skulls are similar to one another, but quite different from the skulls of modern Amerindians. The Kennewick man and other ancient skulls found in what is now modern USA and Canada even look different than the other ancient skulls found in Mexico and south of that (but all similar within that area). They look more Polynesian/Caucasian. This could mean there are three separate migration waves into the America's in ancient times, all within a few thousand years.

These were likely the pre-clovis people which were absorbed by the second (or third) migration of peoples into the America's which came later after the ice sheets melted and opened a corridor from Beringia. The pre-clovis, negroid-polynesian looking people came before that but were replaced by the mongoloids.

The reason the genetic studies link these people to modern Indians is because they are still technically ancestral, but that is because of the absorption into the mongoloid wave which came later. The Australasian signal can still be found in some Amazonian tribes, which happens to be where the Australian Aboriginal looking Lagoa Santa skulls were found.

>>513409878 (OP)
Lovelock Cave - Loud and Harrington (1929) by Llewellyn L. Loud, M.R. Harrington (published by University of California Press) states that a pre-Indian burial in Lovelock Cave, Nevada has mummies and materials that were different from other Indian grave sites. They were taller, had European skull/skeletal structures, and red hair.

https://archive.org/details/LovelockCaveLoudAndHarrington1929

Sarah Winnemucca Hopkins said in her book - Life Among the Piutes: Their Wrongs and Claims (1883) - over a span of 3 years, her tribe killed 2600 reddish-haired White people living along the Humboldt River, and that the last of the White natives were smoked out of a cave a burned to death. Lucy Thompson said in her book - To the American Indian: Reminiscences of a Yurok Woman (1916) - that White people were found to inhabit all of North America.

Look up the Pericues and Guaycuras. They were Lagoa Santoid with Dolichocephalic skulls, very dark also. humanphenotypes.net/LagoaSanta.html

>>513410109
I guess it is possible, but based on my own research from study of the morphological characteristics of Paleo-Indians, they seem to look either Australian Aboriginal or Polynesian. Two distinct groups which come before Brachycephalic Mongoloids.

>>513410508
This dates back at least 20,000 years.

>>513410706
Um the lovelock skeletons only date back as far as 2500 BC, so fairly recent, actually. Much more modern than the skulls I’ve mentioned. They appear to just be Clovis people. According to the paper you sourced, they were actually smaller than modern Paiutes (they had smaller skulls). It does say their skulls were a bit narrower on average.

>>513411599
The Cave of Cosquer has paintings inside dated back 20,000+ years. Sites like Windover Bog and Ohio Mounds only have Europoid skulls. Meadowcroft Rock Shelter is 19,000 years old and Cinmar is 22,700 years old. The Cinmar tool alone is 22,700+ years old. Topper and Cactus hill also date back further than any west coast sites.
Lovelock, Spirt, Miller, Sandia, Paisley, Clovis (New Mexico), Gault and Liano cave sites have been covered up. The US Army destroyed almost 250 native (Europoid) skulls in Miller Cave, Missouri. Southern Colorado and northern New Mexico might still have untouched sites. There are also rumours of ancient Egyptian type carvings in the Grand Canyon.
All of the discovered tools were identical to proto-European tools of the time, from eye needles and lithics to atlatls and woven cloths, and stone tools found in the eastern United States were proven to come from France.

>>513409878 (OP)
Amerindians descend from Ancient North Eurasians, who were 75% Western Hunter-Gatherers (where the Eastern Hunter-Gatherers, Early Europeans Farmers and Yamnaya came from) and 35% Ancient East Eurasians (where Australasians/Aboriginals and other Asians groups come from).

>The genetic history of the Indigenous peoples of the Americas is divided into two distinct periods: the initial peopling of the Americas from about 20,000 to 14,000 years ago (20–14 kya), and European contact, after about 500 years ago. The first period of the genetic history of Indigenous Americans is the determinant factor for the number of genetic lineages, zygosity mutations, and founding haplotypes present in today's Indigenous American populations

>Indigenous American populations descend from and share ancestry with an Ancient East Asian lineage which diverged from other East Asian peoples prior to the Last Glacial Maximum (26–18 kya). They also received geneflow from Ancient North Eurasians, a distinct Paleolithic Siberian population with deep affinities to both "European hunter-gatherers" (e.g. Kostenki-14) and "Basal East Asians" (e.g. Tianyuan man). They later dispersed throughout the Americas after about 16,000 years ago (exceptions being the Na-Dene and Eskimo–Aleut speaking groups, which are derived partially from Siberian populations which entered the Americas at a later time)

>A 2018 study analysed ancient Indigenous samples. The genetic evidence suggests that all Indigenous Americans ultimately descended from a founding population that diverged from East Asians and subsequently admixed with Ancient North Eurasians. The authors also provided evidence that the basal northern and southern Indigenous American branches, to which all other Indigenous peoples belong, diverged around 16,000 years ago

>>513412039
>A study published in the Nature journal in 2018 concluded that Indigenous Americans descended from a single founding population which initially divided from East Asians about ~36,000 (±1,500) years BP, with gene flow between this divided group of Ancestral Indigenous Americans and Siberians persisting until about ~25,000 (±1,100) years BP, before merging with Ancient North Eurasians and subsequently becoming isolated in the Americas or Beringia at ~22,000 years BP. Northern and Southern American Indigenous sub-populations split from each other at roughly ~17,500 to 14,600 years BP. There is also some evidence for a back-migration from the Americas into Siberia after ~11,500 years BP

>A study published in the Cell journal in 2019, analysed 49 ancient Indigenous American samples from all over North and South America, and concluded that all Indigenous American populations descended from a single ancestral source population which divided from Ancient East Asians, and admixed with Ancient North Eurasians (ANE), and gave rise to the "Ancestral Indigenous Americans", which later diverged into the various Indigenous groups. The authors further dismissed previous claims for the possibility of two distinct population groups among the peopling of the Americas. Both Northern and Southern Indigenous Americans are closest to each other and do not show evidence of admixture with hypothetical previous populations

>Overall, the 'Ancestral Native Americans' descended from the admixture of an Ancient East Asian lineage, and a Paleolithic Siberian population known as Ancient North Eurasians. Ancestral Native Americans are most closely related to 'Ancient Paleo-Siberians' and 'Ancient Beringians'

>>513412486
>Native Americans (Amerindians) have also been described as being of "primarily East Asian ancestry, with a smaller contribution from palaeolithic West Eurasian populations", via their Ancient North Eurasian component, which has been described as the "result of a palaeolithic admixture" between ancient West Eurasians and ancient East Eurasians

>Around 20,000 to 25,000 years ago, a branch of Ancient North Eurasian people mixed with Ancient East Asians, which led to the emergence of Ancestral Native American, Ancient Beringian and Ancient Paleo-Siberian populations. It is unknown exactly where this population admixture took place, and two opposing theories have put forth different migratory scenarios that united the Ancient North Eurasians with ancient East Asian populations

>Later, ANE populations migrated westward into Europe and admixed with European Western hunter-gatherer (WHG)-related groups to form the Eastern hunter-gatherer (EHG) group, which later admixed with Caucasus hunter-gatherers to form the Western Steppe Herder (Yamnaya) group, which became widely dispersed across Eurasia during the Bronze Age

>ANE ancestry has spread throughout Eurasia and the Americas in various migrations since the Upper Paleolithic. Significant ANE ancestry can be found in Native Americans, as well as in Europe, South Asia, Central Asia, and Siberia. It has been suggested that their mythology may have featured narratives shared by both Indo-European and some Native American cultures, such as the existence of a metaphysical world tree and a dog which guards the path to the afterlife

>>513411984
Well, I have not seen or heard of a single (legitimate) skull dated back further than 13kya (Anzick 1). I know there are evidences of human settlement dating back further (many of which you described), but those sites don’t have any actual human remains associated with them. You can speak of destroyed Caucasian skulls all you want, but I have not seen them. I am talking about actual skulls that have been studied and whose descriptions/images are available in academic articles. I personally like to go off tangible, proven evidence and not conspiratorial conjecture. The burial mound skulls are actually all modern Indian in appearance (pic related) and many have been DNA tested. I have also seen zero real evidence of Egyptian artifacts or presence. I am sorry my friend but I can only go off of fact. As far as I know, there is zero evidence of Caucasian skulls found in the America’s thus far.

>>513412039
I understand the genetics, but like I said this doesn’t mean there couldn't have been multiple waves from Eurasia. Those genes would still be assimilated either way. There is a clear and distinct physical difference between modern and ancient Native Americans.

>>513409878 (OP)
Human habitation in north america goes back over 116,000 years

https://www.sci.news/archaeology/cerutti-mastodon-site-humans-north-america-04815.html

>>513412706
>The Tianyuan lineage can be modeled to have emerged by a Paleolithic admixture event between a primarily Onge-like source from Southeast Asia (c. 61%) and from a deeply diverged East Eurasian source associated with the IUP movements into Siberia (c. 39%), which were distantly related to the Bacho Kiro cave remains. An earlier model estimated around 64% ancestry related to Eastern Asians and 36% ancestry represented by the deeply diverged Ust'-Ishim man, who represents an "early leaf on the East Eurasian tree", close to a trifurication between West and East Eurasians

>Basal East Asian or "Deep Asian" ancestry represented by Tianyuan or Andamanese Onge contributed to the Peopling of Southeast Asia, following deeply diverged Australasian ancestry and preceding Mesolithic and Neolithic expansions of Ancient Southern East Asians associated with the spread of Austroasiatic and Austronesian languages

>Major East Eurasian ancestry lineages which contributed to modern human populations include the following:

>Australasian lineage (AA) — refers to an ancestral population that primarily contributed to human populations in a region consisting of Australia, Papua, New Zealand, neighboring islands in the South Pacific Ocean and parts of the Philippines. Represented by present-day Australasians, e.g. Papuans and Aboriginal Australians, as well as the Philippine Negritos

>The Tianyuan man also shares more alleles with South American populations, such as the Surui and Karitiana in Brazil and Chane in northern Argentina and southern Bolivia, than with other indigenous Americans

>>513409878 (OP)
This may be relevant to the thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1PMingCvxI
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7jIbJ1lmjwI

>>513412039
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>>513413703
BTW It was at ANE where the blonde hair came from.

>The ANE/ANS lineages both derive their ancestry from an admixture event between 'Ancient West Eurasians' (best represented by Upper Paleolithic Europeans such as Kostenki-14, c.38,000 BP) and 'Ancient East Eurasians' (best represented by the Tianyuan man, c.39,000 BP) during the Upper Paleolithic period

>Around 20,000 to 25,000 years ago, a branch of Ancient North Eurasian people mixed with Ancient East Asians, which led to the emergence of Ancestral Native American, Ancient Beringian and Ancient Paleo-Siberian populations. It is unknown exactly where this population admixture took place, and two opposing theories have put forth different migratory scenarios that united the Ancient North Eurasians with ancient East Asian populations

>Blond hair is associated with a single nucleotide polymorphism, the mutated allele rs12821256 of the KITLG gene. The earliest known individual with this allele is a female south-central Siberian ANE individual from the Afontova Gora 3 site, which is dated to c.17,000 before present (the earlier ANE Mal'ta boy lacks the sequence coverage to make this determination). The allele then appears later in ANE-derived Eastern Hunter-Gatherer (EHG) populations at Samara, Motala and Ukraine, circa 10,000 BP, and then in populations with Steppe ancestry. Mathieson, et al. (2018) thus argued that this allele originated in the Ancient North Eurasian population, before spreading to western Eurasia

>Geneticist David Reich said that the KITLG gene for blond hair probably entered continental Europe in a population migration wave from the Eurasian steppe, by a population carrying substantial Ancient North Eurasian ancestry. Hanel and Carlberg (2020) likewise report that populations derived Ancient North Eurasian ancestry, specifically the Eastern Hunter-Gatherers and the Yamnayas, were responsible for transmitting this gene to Europeans

>>513409878 (OP)
You have alerted the huejew bot
>>513412039
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>>513413703
Clearly you are on to something, so you have to be drowned with useless half truths and slop, Brave New World style

>>513414137
The interesting thing about the Iberians (Spanish and Portuguese) having colonized most America and mixed with the Amerindians is that the group with the most WHG in the Europe are the Basques of Spain.

>In archaeogenetics, western hunter-gatherer (WHG, also known as west European hunter-gatherer) (c.15,000~5,000 BP) is a distinct ancestral component of modern Europeans, representing descent from a population of Mesolithic hunter-gatherers who scattered over western, southern and central Europe, from the British Isles in the west to the Carpathians in the east, following the retreat of the ice sheet of the Last Glacial Maximum. It is closely associated and sometimes considered synonymous with the concept of the Villabruna cluster, named after the Ripari Villabruna cave specimen in Italy, known from the terminal Pleistocene of Europe, which is largely ancestral to later WHG populations

>A seminal 2014 study first identified the contribution of three main components to modern European lineages: the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG, in proportions of up to 50% in Northern Europeans), the Ancient North Eurasians (ANE, Upper Paleolithic Siberians later associated with the later Indo-European expansion, present in proportions up to 20%), and finally the Early European Farmers (EEF, agriculturists of mainly Near Eastern origin who migrated to Europe from circa 8,000 BP, now present in proportions from around 30% in the Baltic region to around 90% in the Mediterranean). The Early European Farmer (EEF) component was identified based on the genome of a woman buried c. 7,000 years ago in a Linear Pottery culture grave in Stuttgart, Germany

>This 2014 study found evidence for genetic mixing between WHG and EEF throughout Europe, with the largest contribution of EEF in Mediterranean Europe (especially in Sardinia, Sicily, Malta and among Ashkenazi Jews), and the largest contribution of WHG in Northern Europe and among Basque people

>>513414178
Yes, interesting how they are spamming chatgpt slop based on genetic studies but the hue can’t address my question - why the clear and distinct morphological differences between ancient and more modern native Americans? The genetics can be explained by introgression into modern populations regardless.

>>513415574
>why the clear and distinct morphological differences between ancient and more modern native Americans?
Ancient Amerindians had more Tianyuan-like DNA, while "modern" ones have another Basal East Asian DNA that hasn't been identified yet but is closer to modern Mongoloids than do Aboriginals. Something like picrel.

>>513409878 (OP)
The Smithsonian hid all the giant skeletons. Total Kike and Freemason Dearth solves this.

>>513412712
They seem related to Ancient Ancestral South Indians (AASI).

>We wuz native americans and shit
No, just no.
You guys are europeans, that should be good enough for anyone. Why are you trying to apropriate other peoples culture, like a nigger?

>>513416109
Why difference? Perhaps another migration wave absorbing and replacing another older lineage.

>>513415574
There were a few ANE people who didn’t mix with Eastern women. There were also more ancient people in Mongolia that predate both and were more akin to Australian aborigines. They fucked the East Asian women first and then the ANE men mixed with their mutt offspring, creating Amerindians. This is why some Amerindians look Abo, some look semi-Caucasian, some like Eskimos.

>>513416340
I have not once said Europeans were here first. In fact, I argued against it. What I am saying is that these people are still different than the once’s who came before them in earlier migrations. Those earlier migrations still came from the eastern section of Eurasia.

>>513416478
So why would certain phenotypes be more prevalent in certain time periods if the genotypes are all the same?

>>513416610
The genotypes are not the same. It’s a limit of current genetic analysis that can’t differentiate Native American populations more precisely

>>513416340
Who are you quoting?

>>513409878 (OP)
Only in south America and it was mostly do to south Americans sailing back with abos.

This is the reason why the Aztecs,toltecs and Teotihuacans tried to cleanse them from the Americas.

Timmy still seething about BRC.

>>513409878 (OP)
>i studied old bones
so you're a narrowminded fool who wasted lifetime unproductively. no refunds

What about the Paracas skulls?

These are the modern boarders.

>>513417267
They were abos. Abos have blonde hair.

>>513417331
Some had red hair.

>>513417002
Literally everyone.
Everyone including niggers and chinks are claiming to be the real native Americans and Chief Emptiesabottle is some kind of colonizer trespasser.
Even if that's true you got your lilly ass whooped!
End Thanksgiving!

>>513417377
Some abos have red hair as well.

>>513409878 (OP)
I'll look it up but there is a site on the coast in new England I believe can be dated to like 20,000 bc something like rising sea levels, possibly alot of information could be underwater.. I'll look it up, not too deep into the thread yet but I assume you guys have or will mention the Patagonian ice sheet

>>513417377
South American native

>>513417377
Abos aren't black technically.

They are actually genetically closer to east Asians .


Native Americans and the ute Azteca(Mexicans) tribes pretty much wiped them out of north America.

>>513417029
Interesting, but how do we know these genetic markers weren’t in the Americas first, only to be slowly faded out by introgression by new populations? It would make sense they are older, as the oldest wave would have reached South America first. New waves would reach South America later and so the lineages in South America would hold this Abo-like DNA longer at low quantities.

>>513410109
Someone once told me that pygmies used to live in Australia, interesting stuff.

>>513417926
The age of the skulls as well as genetics of central and south Americans.

When did this mixture begin etc...

>>513417889
Cranial capacity map? It’s interesting how the greatest American civilizations sprouted from the areas where brains were smaller. I suppose it was because the climate and geomorphology supported agriculture better, but this was also not necessarily an issue in eastern USA either (which is where the mound building cultures existed).

>>513418005
Correct. The "Aboriginals" exterminated them.

>>513418091
This is because in order to build a civilization you need a mixture of "beta males" and low IQ individuals (mostly beta males). This is called the dysgenic system. It's the reason why they are replacing whites with jeets. Jeets are as low IQ as black people but it doesn't matter.

The only exceptions we have seen around the world are Mexican and Mali/Ghana.

When I say Mexican I mean post Olmec.

>>513418062
But the Abo-like skulls are the oldest skulls found? In that area at least. Abo-like skulls in south and central America and the south-western section of USA. Polynesian looking skulls in the rest of the Americas until the modern Mongoloid phenotype became ubiquitous. I can’t find a source for when the mongoloid peoples became common throughout the America’s though, which makes me curious as to when this shift took place.

>>513418531
People always say these Olmec heads look like niggers but to me they just look like fat mongoloid Amerindians. I even see natives who look like this all the time way up in Canada.

>>513418608
They are mixed with abos. That's why they look like that.

Abos have a particular look.

>>513412712
Just look at squatemalans vs some American Indian tribes, some of the American Indian tribes look much more European in terms of stature, skull shape etc

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>>513418738
Interesting, have an Abo signals been found in northern populations? As far as I know they only found them in the Amazon, and at very low proportions (like, 1% of the genome). This is what the Olmec looking Indians around here look like.

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>>513419088
Aborigines are the 2nd race to populate the world after the Black race. Only the southern ones survived in relatively pure form, rest race were mixed and diluted into Europeans (via WHG) and East Asians/Native Americans.

>>513419088
Mein VVolk

>>513416340
Yea no one is saying this, also "we wuzzing" is irrelevant, I may be wrong but op is merely stating that surely there wasn't one migration route, that being the bering straight, I personally like to imagine island hopping, specifically on the the northern aNd southern hemisphere, also our only correlation/reference point is the Clovis tools which are very similar if not identical to solutrean* sorry, sp. Which is European. Also Labrador, did the vikings just willy nilly decide to cross the north Atlantic or could possibly some ancient oral stories have inspired them, also if I'm not mistaken aboriginals got to austrailia via boat? Why would they not island hopping all the way to Argentina? I think the dates for people arriving in NA is pushed back to like 30kbce

We wuz hunting wooly mammoth n shieet

>>513421536
I have a theory that the differences between whites and East Asians is that the ancestral populations for white people were mammoth/large game hunters and the ancestors for East Asians were a struggling population who hid in caves most of the time.

Think about it, white men are larger in size, produce more testosterone and develop masculine traits (body hair, muscle mass, deep voice) through a stronger puberty. This is because strong traits were selected for. A strong hunter is more likely to pass his genes on in Europe and steppes.

East Asian ancestors lived in northern caves in high altitudes. In this environment, selection chose for individuals who had weak puberties because these individuals needed less calories to survive. This is why East Asians have highly neotenous features well into adulthood, and they don’t develop strong masculine traits. They have small body size, basically no body hair, low muscle mass. The ones who could hide in the cave the longest and who needed to eat less would survive and pass their genes on.

>>513409878 (OP)
Yeah, that was proven, a while ago. Turns out stone-age people were also FAR better seafarers, than anyone knew and likely made it here - hence the white, european features of the "native american" ruling class and the way certain lower-America natives had unusually technological civilizations and the upper-America natives were a bunch of savage fucking idiots.

>>513422450
Yeah palaeolithic humans had rafting capabilities to transverse across islands. It was relatively short distances in calmer waters, or they would travel along coastal areas. They sure as shit didn’t have the technology to travel across the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean directly.

>>513421536
Kek, they actually wuz hunting mammoths n sheiiiiat.
>>513421939
You can read about the migrations here and old crow flats having found a new mammoth+child, if you go to any museums in the Yukon they talk about migration and have cool displays, the one Im Whitehorse and the transport museum is peak based,

>>513412039
Based.

>>513409878 (OP)
Well, you're a dumbass.
No skull found in the U.S. has Australian aboriginal traits.
Kennewick man had a facial reconstruction and he looks.like Captain Picard.
DNA was recovered from Windover Bog and theyre European.
Pic related is an aboriginal