Thread 513422169

Voting machines too?
How is that gonna work

>>513422169 (OP)
literally has no power to do this, it's like me talking about turning the sun purple.

>>513422169 (OP)
it costs more money than paper ballots to run a voting machine

>>513422274
predictability is important, it would be chaos otherwise

>>513422169 (OP)
>whoops we accidentally burned all the democrat ballots
chuds will defend this

>>513422169 (OP)
Trump must have mistook voting machines for children he could fuck.

>>513422399
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

>>513422399
Defend this?
Nigger I voted for this?
Total Chud Victory

>>513422399
As opposed to: "Oops, our machines didn't count any of the republican votes"

>>513422169 (OP)
He will lose all the boomer votes

>>513422672
no one cares about your epstein conspiracy theory anymore, sweetie.
but by all means, tell your democRAT politicians to keep talking about it and only it for the next 2 years. :D

>>513422226
Watch him. It will be glorious. dems will never win again

>>513422169 (OP)
>How is that gonna work
niggers and spics cannot tick a box with a pencil
steal all the pencils
its over

>>513422226
you lost

>>513422226
He will do it and you'll screech and cry. You're starting up already lol.

>>513423002
My guess is dems loose at least 20% of the votes when it's paper only..
Would be cool to have all paper ballots for the 2026 midterm already and expose how much cheating was happening in the last couple of decades

>>513423282
>>513423863
>>513424662
Explain exactly how he'd get rid of voting machines and the purpose of doing this.

Should be like two sheets or an email on it and they send a verification to your email. If they get enough recount request then recount it by hand and store all votes in a box in a sealed room for like 10 years.

>>513424855
>>513422169 (OP)
I'm going to put it into terms that you esl retards, knuckledraggers, and slack jawed faggots can comprehend:
voting machines: touchscreen interfaces where you select your votes, and you trust that it's all faithfully and accurately tabulated.
vote counting machines: physical paper ballots are scanned by the machine and tabulated, with the paper copies retained in case a hand count is ordered.
example: Florida, 2008 presidential primary, in my county there were voting machines. i and numerous associates voted for Ron Paul. result? zero votes for Ron Paul in my county.
general election, we had a choice between a cat shit sandwich and a dog shit sandwich, i think we got dogshit although I'm not sure. voting machines. can be altered because the tabulated votes are stored in the machine on a .txt file.
following elections: vote tabulation.
paper ballots scanned like your SAT test in school, assuming you took one. now we have things like mail in voting and ballot stuffing.
do you see where I'm going with this?
t. elder millennial

>>513422274
it actually doesn't. we pay hundreds of millions of dollars for voting machines

>>513424855
You fill out a paper ballot and throw it into a box. At the end of the day you count the votes and tabulate it by hand. Its simple and totally transparent.

>>513422169 (OP)
Aren't voting laws a state's issue?

>>513424855
The purpose is eliminating machines that can be manipulated. All voting machines can be easily hacked, which is a proven and established fact. If your vote is cast, recorded and saved on machine, there's no way to do a recount or any real audit, you can only believe the machine is right and wasnt tampered with and no way to know for sure

>>513426483
If its a federal election it affects the whole country not just one state

>>513422169 (OP)
In reality the voting systems are fine and both Biden and Trump rightfully won. Americans are just too retarded to stop voting. If there is no voter turnout they have no mandate to lead. The revolution could be simply doing nothing

>>513422226
You don't get to rape kids anymore. Deal with it.

>>513426662
What's stopping people from just tampering with it manually? Getting rid of the machines really just gives us more work to count the crap

>>513426483
>Aren't voting laws a state's issue?
Yes.
The magapedos have shit for brains.

>>513422169 (OP)
>How is that gonna work
it takes a normally functioning adult human very little time to count a stack of paper, even if there are a thousand pieces to count.

>>513422169 (OP)
States should not be allowed mail-in for federal.
They can have it for state, but not federal.

>>513422169 (OP)
We need paper trails.
Australia doesn't use machines and everything goes smoothly.

>>513427193
Really don't get why mail in is even allowed full stop. You have months of early voting in most states. Can't be assed to vote then you shouldn't have a say.

>>513426818
Right, only kikes can rape kids

>>513425893
stop saying 'actually' you fucking faggot

>>513427023
Nope. All elections are governed by Articles I and II, period. All of them. This is not an opinion, this is a stone fact.

>>513422372
Yea there’s nothing quite like a voting machine running some unaudited software to ensure predictability.

>>513422169 (OP)
He's a fucking retard

Last election I insisted on a paper ballot which the poll workers tried hard to deny. When they finally gave in they took the ballot and just fed it into another machine.

>noooo you have to let us cheat
Demonrats are cooked. Patriots are in control now you commie fucks, and we're here to make sure that you anti semite freaks never get into power again.

>>513427496
Not gonna happen stinky, trumpstein has no such authority, cope and cry about it and move on

>>513427659
Oof

don't care still voting by mail

>>513426956
You can add or take away hundreds of thousands of votes with a a click and a button push, its harder with hundreds of thousands of paper ballots. Paper ballots are like money, in terms of security, youn just print em at home.
The process of counting may seem like a lot of work but is done in a couple of hours no matter how big a country is. Most countries do it that way and have results ready at the end of the day.

>>513427423
actually you're a dumb nigger.

>>513427659
The whole reason covid lockdowns eye pushed so hard was so dems could cheat with mail in ballots

>>513422226
States suck at the federal teat. They get federal funds for election equipment and operations, so they have to follow federal rules. They can choose to not accept federal money and do things their own way but states hate passing up on easy money.

>>513422169 (OP)
Democratic voting is retarded. Its rule by retards.We need weighted voting. Where smart and productive people get a much higher allocation of votes. Who wants some low IQ worthless shit cancelling out your vote? If you are high IQ, skilled, and experienced then your vote should count for 1000x the amount as some dumbass loser.
And get rid of partisan politics. Vote on issues not for a political party. Most of governance just comes down to the allocation of tax revenue and economic policy anyway.
That's a far better system, but cunts favor the present system becasue it keeps them in power and keeps the stupids happy.

>>513427844
haha RETURN TO SENDER

>>513426818
Yes, we know you have a monopoly on child rape. Don't rub it in.

Partisan politics and talk of rigging aside it is a joke how the west coast states are still counting votes weeks after election day. The only thing saving them is that nobody cares because they're not competitive. Imagine the clownshow if they were.

Remember: election fraud doesn't happen in the US. It's just a made up fantasy. If it happened, you'd be able to point to it.

Trump will change his tomorrow if given enough fiat and/or underage children to fuck.

>>513427975
Look everyone, it's a Thielbot in action.

>>513427764
I'm 6'3 fit with a full head of hair and an 8 inch dick. I am also blond haired blue eyed hand model who makes almost 2 milly a year moonlighting as a chef at Wendys. What color is your Honda Civic faggot?

>>513427656
nIGGER

In the Netherlands voting machines are also banned. Nobody trusts them.

But when does my life get better

>>513427287
Yeah but unlike the yanks we actually have a really robust and functional federal body for elections. They're just really content with making everything a gigantic shitshow that's as hard as physically possible to participate in. They aren't interested in democracy, just impeding it.

>>513427423
>>513427896

niggers actually tongue his anus

>>513428186
When you stop being a lazy nigger

>>513422274
it's literally just a fancy counting machine that counts slips of paper and then transmit the number

>>513422169 (OP)
the same way it worked before voting machines

george soros owned dominion voting machines. thats not conspiracy, thats who makes the voting machines. even if you trust them, many others don`t, and that lack of trust is no way to run a democracy and they wont be convinced to trust a george soros voting machine or any other no matter how much you seethe.

so its worth the inconvenience to just vote in person, with an id, and no mail in ballots. to restore faith in the electoral process.

>>513428371
Huh? I own a house and hold a job. I'm white. I'm married with a kid. Nothing has changed, nothing is cheaper.

>>513428183
In the Netherlands we also don't have counting machines, because it's not transparent.

You need a voting pass, with your name on it which has been send to your house, and an ID card. Which gets checked by three people.

We count how many people voted, as everyone who voted gets scraped off a list, so you know how many votes have been cast. But you can also count the voting passes to know how many people have voted. And after you voted you get scraped off a list, so you can't vote twice.

You vote with a red pencil, which is chained to a table. If someone else has a red pencil you know it's bad news.

When counting the ballots they first get sorted by party. One person says to which stack they should go. And a second person puts it on the stack of that party.
Counting is also done by different people. Often 4 to 6 people sitting at a table in front of each other. And one guy overseeing the table and noting down the scores. As everyone counts the stack of one party, they can also spot it if a ballot has been put on the wrong stack.

Everyone is allowed to join in as an observer. Although we also have paid observers. And after the votes have been counted they have to be put in sealed containers. The sealed containers can be used for a recount later.

>>513422226
>literally has no power to do this
No one will stop him though. You're a weak faggot. Kill yourself.

>>513427293
well its obvious, its allowed so the results of an election are easier to manipulate. someone would need an absolute landslide to get voted in if the scammers scamming the mail in voting didnt want that person in. there`s no other reason to be so passionate about mail in voting.

when someone is mad about a fraud getting stopped, thats who is doing the fraud

>>513428517
If you see there are more ballots, than people have voted, you know it's bad news.

>>513422169 (OP)
an amazing new invention called a paper ballot.

>>513422169 (OP)
Oh man, if he can pull this off, dems are dead as a party totally. Mandate that all vote counting boards have to consist of 50% males and dems might commit mass suicide.

>>513422226
but....you're gonna freak out anyway for the next 2 months or weeks over this until something else comes along to complain about right?

>>513422399
Unironically, yes. Death to the entire democrat party.

in canada our federal election is a hand counted paper ballot. but our party elections are all counted on dominion voting machines. just check the wikipedia on dominion voting machines if you don`t believe me. very sus

>>513428710
until the next current thing download comes in from the corporate media yes

>>513427023
Why would you be against this? Why is it always ONE party that is so insanely, rabidly against maintaining voting integrity? Really makes you think...

>>513428517
This legit might be the most racist, sexist, homophobic, and anti-Semitic thing I've ever read in my life.

>>513428735
It's pretty funny how in America there is never any fraud or missing ballots are found. While we find it every year.

>>513428070
Yeah. *points*

>>513428415
I thought they were paperless systems, where you just tap who you vote for then it counts your vote digitally

>>513422169 (OP)
Where we're going you don't need voting machines.

>>513422169 (OP)
>How is that gonna work
You get a piece of paper
You draw an X on it
You drop it in a box
Same as basically every other democracy in the world.

>>513428517
US elections are almost never for just one office or issue. During a presidential election, there can be dozens of other offices on the ballot along with voter initiatives. It's common for people to vote for some candidates in one party and other candidates in another party for different offices. While straight ticket voters exist, in general votes are for individuals, not for parties. That complicates the counting process.
The easiest bad solution would be for all votes to be open, which would make them easily verified. But that would lead to people getting attacked or even murdered for voting "wrong". Even technocratic solutions like PKI systems end up with similar flaws.
The basic problem simply is that there are too many dishonest, corrupt people willing to rig ballot handling and counting.

>>513422672
It's hard to find the words to describe how retarded your insult attempt is. At least try to make them make sense

>>513428962
Come on, how else are we going to "Protect Our Democracy" if not by counting in secret? No one needs to see how that sausage is made.

>>513422226
the law isnt real retard
the government cna pass an unconstitutional law, put your ass in prison torture you until you give up long before anyone does anything about it

>but the law says
our government literally murders american citizens bud, frankly I hope trump murders you as well

>>513429227
We have like 15 to 20 parties you can usually vote for. And sometimes you can also vote for multiple things at the same time. It's never been an issue really.

>>513422399
Yes, its a firey but mostly peaceful election fortification.

>>513428972
They are. They’re also 100% open to tampering. We’ve seen it way too many times over the past 20 years since their use.

>>513429512
I 100% support trump seizing power and enshrining his family as monarchs

radical chane to the system requires dictatorship

>>513429468
with that many candidates how can you even remember who is the tallest? or who has the best haircut? without that you just have to vote for whoever the media tells you to vote for. i voted for trudeau because he is tall and has great hair, was going to vote for pp because his hair with its little wave in it is more fun than carney who has boring hair but then the media told me to vote for carney so i did. thats how democracy works

>>513422169 (OP)
You count them one by one and whoever is counting them can rig shit however they see fit

>>513422399
you know that can also apply for "whoops, we burned all republican ballots", right?

>>513430718
Don't worry. We have proportional representation.

Parliament has 150 seats. So you only need 0,67% of the votes to get into parliament. So you can still vote every retard in with ease for the stupidest reasons.
People still get voted in for having a nice butt. We also have a party of creationists that want to ban women from voting. Socialists where all politicians have to give their entire wage to the party and receive a modal wage in return. We also used to have a nazi party, but because nobody voted for them they just gave up.

>>513430997
based

>>513422274
But at least you get results faster? Oh wait, final results take days to weeks now
But at least theyre easier to audit? Oh wait, theyre proprietary black boxes
But at least theyre more trustworthy? Oh wait...

>>513422399
Yes I will

>>513422672
Why didnt the dems leak the files on him when they were in power?

>>513422958
Speak for yourself there, idiot. Personally, I care a great deal that Trump is in league with Jewish Pedophile networks.

>>513426956
More work? But work suxx!!
Much better to make the system hackable and impossilw to audit so we can get back to gooning sooner

>>513422958
I care anon. Speak for yourself next time.

>>513422399
Yeah, probably would if it happened. It’s been your playbook for at least the last three elections, about time you play by your own rules