>scientists think this came from evolution

>>513435847 (OP)
Magnets, how do they work

>>513435847 (OP)
>too dumb to understand evolution
OP is a mulatto.

>>513435939
Evolution can't explain the creation of complex functions because partially manifesting a complex function in an incomplete manner offers no benefit for survivability or reproduction.

>>513435847 (OP)
>Creationists think this came from a God that only revealed himself to illiterate shitskins 2500+ years ago
Which is more retarded?

>>513436015
Complex functions are just simpler functions that got co-opted for something else over time.

>>513436015
What a retarded word salad trying to sound intelligent. Go to bed Craig.

>>513436025
It could be a simulation running on some huge computer created billions of years ago, good luck dealing with that creationists and evolutionists.

>>513435847 (OP)
as you can very well tell by the way i walk, i`m a ladies man no time to talk...

>>513435883
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQzMfMLsm18

>>513436127
Nice reference but dont forget JT was ftm and so were bee gees

>>513436086
>scientists think a partially formed but functionally useless eye is beneficial to evolution

where do you think that thing is walking to, best buy?

Why did God do this?

>>513436180
There is no Vtuber in this video, wtf? How else am I supposed to be engaged??

>>513436259
b8 to pix of futa-Gura and her massive cock on another monitor

>>513436247
the lord lays nerve tissue in mysterious ways

>>513435939
Oh enlighten us, smart one.
How exactly does evolution work?

>inb4 uuuhhh it's, like, random changes dude. Don't ask me, I failed statistics in kindergarten.

>>513435847 (OP)
Haha look at him go!

>>513436247
"God" is whoever or whatever created the simulation >>513436124 for all we know at the "top level" of the simulation where reality is biology or whatever substrate for intelligence is the perfect creation of God or Brahman etc. and the nerds that wrote the sim are fucking with us.

>>513436015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY0NTLThkXo

>>513435847 (OP)
>theists try to debunk science using science

>>513436305
But you are wrong king of foliage, my second monitor is for my vore goon seshs only

>>513436068
Oh wow, good to know.

Brb, building an F35 out of spare tires and old engine oil.

>>513436015
I agree, but say an animal has fins and lives in water, eventually moves to the land, and over time the useless fins slowly yield primitive hands/fingers, with each increment of dexterity offering an advantage. I could see how it could work in theory but I’m skeptical as well.

>>513436219
We know how eyes developed, retard. Every major stage exists in ocean life.

>>513436368
>no third & fourth monitor when GPUs mostly have 4 outputs now
pleb

>>513435847 (OP)
This nigger probably thinks some human had to write chatgpts internal logic

>>513436124
> dude
> duuude
> what if we had pantheism, but with, like, computers n shiet?
> far out!

>>513436247
So you troons could ack yourselves better.

>>513436458

>>513436344
smarter and more adept ones get to fuck while dumb and less adapt ones dont get to fuck.
Children inherint traits from their parents which will either help them to be smarter or more adept.
Its not fucking rocketscience you fucking stupid nigger

>>513435847 (OP)
Ngl, studying biology made me seriously question my atheism ideas. I still refuse to follow any religions but I do believe in a creator.
Shits insane and it get crazier the deeper you delve.

>>513436187
I want to believe. Link me to a youtube documentary showing the beegees were trannies. I do hate their high pitch singing, especially juxtoposed with everyone else’s normal tone voices in that time

>>513436432
> a malformed lens turned into a focused one over many generations of random changes
Cool story bro, got any more?
Maybe about how the elephant got its trunk?

>>513436564
no matter what you look at, any rabbit hole, it all leads to Christ being King

>>513435847 (OP)
CGI has evolved quite a bit in the 10's of this century, what else would you make of it?

>>513436456
But he actually did tho. (Plot twist: the nigger in question is actually reddit.)

>>513436432
how did the nerve fibers and light sensitive cells form at the same time? those are multiple different parts that had to exist together before the function became useful to evolution

>>513436458
Digital physics is a well established subject, going back to Ed Fredkin's work in the area and other's speculations long before retards like Elon Musk took a bong hit and made it popular. There are tests in reality, like seeing if things are quantized at the finest grained level of physics etc.

>>513436319
>>513436501
Kek

>>513436541
>Makes a statistical argument without mentioning probabilities or distributions even once
>Calls others "stupid nigger"
Heh

>>513436616
Cool webm anon, saved

>>513436432
>nigger thinks that one day, a thing with pic 5 gave birth to pic 6

>>513436641
>how did the nerve fibers and light sensitive cells form at the same time?
you realise that nerve fibres already exist through all parts of your body right? it's how you feel everything, not just light. even your toes, which are totally insensitive to light, are innervated.

>>513436643
>Digital physics is a well established subject
So is gender studies. What's your point?

>>513436219
>partially formed but functionally useless eye is beneficial to evolution
What? Like this anon >>513436432 say, we know how eyes formed, which you clearly don't. A "partially" form eye - whatever the fuck that even means - is still beneficial to evolution, as it allows the creature to tell the difference between light and dark. Dark means you get eaten and die, thus not producing. The ability to produce is beneficial to evolution, you brain-dead fucking idiot. Less word salads thinking you know everything, and more reading science. Or maybe you should've paid attention in 8th grade biology class instead of thumping your bible...

>>513436602
Yes, retard. Like all adaptations, it developed slowly over time. All this information is readily available, but apparently retarded Mexicans need it spoon-fed to them.

>>513436393
After seeing your military on display for the past 3 years, I'm pretty sure you already did.

>>513436432
>nigger thinks that one day, a thing with pic 4 gave birth to something with pic 5

>retards believe in microevolution but not macroevolution even though they're the same thing

>>513436764
>A "partially" form eye - whatever the fuck that even means - is still beneficial to evolution, as it allows the creature to tell the difference between light and dark
Cool, now do a partially formed lens.

>>513436783
No, Carlos. It takes a very long time. You're the one who thinks it happened overnight when Yahweh the Mighty snapped his fingers.

>>513435847 (OP)
It takes 4 billion years nigga and the bacteria only takes 20 minuites to double. With this much time you could get a retarded money to randomly type a sci-fi novel. This universe is only 14 billion years.

Even god would use evolution. Because it is adaptive, different species just form an adaptive super-organism. And humans are still the stewards, with or without god.

>>513436362
>>513436124
>simulation
simulation of what?

>>513436826
>a man having a son that is a little taller than him is the same thing as a man having a son with wings that can fly

>>513436838
What partially formed lens, Mohammed?

>>513436393
for the f-35 to exist, the jet engine had to be invented first; for the jet engine to be invented, the combustion engine had to be invented first; for the combustion engine to be invented, the steam engine had to be created first; for the processes that allow steam to move forces to be understood, the principles of hydraulics had to be understood first. I could go on all day until I come to the conclusion that, for the f-35 to be invented, stone spear points, like clovis points, had to be invented first. All of today's technology depends on more basic and fundamental principles that have been learned over thousands of years. your example is not the big "gotcha" that you think it is.

>>513436860
>a very long time.
How long is "very long" exactly, nigga?
You love the science, surely you've calculated this shit scientifically like?
How many years does it take to make an eye out of nothing by random chance?

>>513436641
The eye is a part of the brain, early light sensitive cells were literally inside the brain and got pushed out over generations, dragging a string of brain with them to keep their function intact

>>513436860
>gets his slides called out for showing completely functional and discreet types of biology, and just resorts to saying there is another sub-slide that shows the progression between 4 and 5, but he just doesnt have it right now

>>513436458

>>513436764
>A "partially" form eye - whatever the fuck that even means - is still beneficial to evolution
how so? imagine all of the intermediary steps that happen between having a useful "organ" and not having it. there is no reason for evolution to complete a unfinished organ because it has no function in the unfinished state. even our own eyeballs stop working if you sit in total darkness for a long time. the body does not need to dedicate something to a organ that has no function

>>513436924
>simulation of what?
Everything

>>513437018
>If you can't tell me the exact years, hours, minutes, and seconds it took ALLAH (PIITB) obviously had to do it
You can so better that this, rape rat.

>>513435847 (OP)
> Christians think some sky Jew made this then killed his son as a goof to prove nothing to anybody

>>513436015
Evolution doesn't possess or even imply will, or intent, or design.

>>513437100
>how so?
>>513436764
>The ability to produce is beneficial to evolution,
You don't die, and can reproduce.

>>513436881
>With this much time you could get a retarded money to randomly type a sci-fi novel
There are 26 English letters and 174000 letters in "Hamlet".
That's 26**174000 random combinations.
If you tried a trillion random combinations per second it would take you 26**173980 years to randomly compose "Hamlet".

14 billion years is less than 26**8 years.

Still 26**173972 years to go.

>>513437010
> you can make an F35 out of a steam engine
What school of engineering did you go to exactly?

>>513437165
But only did it to illiterate shitskins 2500 years ago. And was completely absent before or after that. For some reason, illiterate goat fucking shitskins were extremely important to this God.

>>513437117
I don't need "exact", nigger.
A three orders of magnitude estimate would work.

>>513437277
The School of Hard Knocks

>>513437277
Allah (PIITB) didn't teach you reading comprehension? What a shitty God Allah (PIITB) is.

>>513435847 (OP)
>on my way to page ten

>>513437205
>you reproduce with a useless trait
>baby devolves that useless trait
>baby reproduces with new useless trait
>baby's baby devolves that useless trait
where does this cycle manifest something persistent?

>>513437298
>illiterate goat fucking shitskins are more important to God than American niggers
Ouch, that must sting.

>>513435847 (OP)
you can't prove that it didn't

>>513437113
where did everything come from that is being simulated?

>>513437332
>A three orders of magnitude estimate
Of what number, Mustafa?

>>513436015
Hi mulatto

>>513437390
>useless trait
>reproduced...
I think that by definition that trait isn't useless as it was passed on. fuckwit

>>513437232
Yeah I already know Russians have a good math scenes. To accurately mimic evolution it should be a shit tons of monkey typing, and once any monkey gets a meaningful sentence all the monkeys copy it and all continuously type based on it until some monkey randomly type out another meaningful sentence

>>513437473
where did our ancestor traits go if they are supposed to continue down the bloodline?

>>513437402

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO THE DMT WORLD THERE IS ANOTHER LAYER NOT EVEN LARPING

>>513436219
Simply being able to tell approximately which way is brighter is a huge advantage over not having that sense at all, hell if you're a little tiny mostly blind bugger then noticing the ligjt is changing means stay still because a predator may be nearby.

>>513437390
Don't be vague. What useless trait are you talking about that is produce, dropped the next generation, reproduced the next, and so on for that cycle to continue.
>>513437394
You're not, which is my whole point, Abdul. Maybe Allah (PIITB) should've given you a better brain like a White man, and you wouldn't need me to spell it out for you.

>>513436616
King of jews. INRI - Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum

>>513437528
Overwritten, become dormant, change function and turn into something new. Snake still have the genes to make legs, they are just turned off, but sometimes they randomly turn back on and a snake will be born with legs.

>>513435847 (OP)
>christcucks believe basedentist cgi madeup renderings.

>>513437277
So according to you, a society that doesn't understand how a steam engine works would be capable of building an F-35? Of course, surely the Romans didn't invent fighter jets because they were too lazy.

>>513437509
>To accurately mimic evolution it should be a shit tons of monkey typing,
We do, we call them Asains, shitskins, poos, and mexcrement/S. Americans instead. Calling them monkeys hurts there feefees.

>>513435847 (OP)
Be sure to watch the whole video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hk9jct2ozY

Browns deny evolution because it shows they are less evolved and a inferior subspecies. Thats why the most loud evolution deniers are from america and africa.

Why would god with absolut power create these complex wandering cells? Why do we need to eat, shit and piss? It would make more sense if god created us that we would be alot more simple in design. Unless god had to abide by certain restrictions but then he would not be all powerful like most sand religions claim.

>>513436616
This.
we can do all the science we want, in the end they all just math and formulas to somewhat describe reality. We will never get to the point where n=n*p We will never know what small minute changes to a system lead to the outcoom we can calculate and predict there will always be an unknown influence. This is where physics professors and Astronomers revert back to a higher power.

>>513437457
> doesn't know what an estimate is
I fuckin love this nu-science.

>>513437601
>What useless trait are you talking about that is produce, dropped the next generation, reproduced the next, and so on for that cycle to continue.
i didn't mean to imply that the same exact trait keeps coming back, i am just saying that evolution necessitates devolving useless traits. there is no reason for an organism to maintain a stub on its side that would theoretically become a wing

>>513435847 (OP)
>Black, post wall woman walking down the street

>>513437509
You can revise my estimate if you think I underestimated the "trillion combinations per second" rate.
Good luck.

>>513437695
Engineering isn't a tech tree. Sorry bro, your career of playing video games all day lied to you.

>>513437704
Most humans are monkeys if you see it from human evolution aspect. If you nuke the places between west and east coast of America, the American tech industry can still dominate. And even if you nuke the entire Europe the most high-tech field like AI and space won't feel any difference.

And after the AI takes dominance the whole human race becomes useless. It doesn't change anything with 10 more/less IQ points or what

>>513437749
>Why do we need to eat, shit and piss?
Because it's fun, nigga.

>>513437712
How precise this representation is? I mean it seems to be drawn by observation but we aren't really capable of looking at it this close are we?

>>513436068
monkey tries to sound smart

>>513436950
It's the same thing just over a much longer time scale, with lots of little things in between. The kid isn't just randomly born with fully functional wings

>>513438021
Kek, it's not about "muhh tech tree." It's about the fact that, to do complex things, you first have to know how to do simpler things. You can't do an integral or a derivative if you don't first know how to add, subtract, divide, and multiply. In the same way, the existence of a fucking fighter jet today is impossible without a certain amount of prior knowledge—knowledge that was obtained thanks to simpler creations. If you don't understand such a simple concept, you're an idiot. If that weren't the case, enlighten us. Why do you think we can make jet planes today, but we couldn't 300 years ago?

>>513436015
The sad part is you actually believe this.

What your statement gets wrong is the assumption that all change is inherently complex, which is just flat out wrong. People have simulated artificial evolution all the way back to the 18th century. Our agriculture itself is a product of this artificial evolution through selective breeding.

Tell me, does picrel look like a complex change? This was done while humans existed. This time frame is utterly dwarfed by the planet's life cycle.

Just look at fossil records from ancient animals and plants, each one is generally simple. Change is a gradual process, complexity comes from distances of time.

>>513436541
You don't understand natural selection.
Survival of the fittest doesn't always mean survival of the smartest, look at Australia. Big brains need crazy amounts of energy and if you do as well being a moron, you end up being a moron.

>>513436764
The implication that life is just another entropic process collecting and storing information and energy as part of its inevitable annotation is pretty wild.

But evolution does not prove or disprove god. It just disproves the goofy notion that the world started with some family of Jews in the Middle East some 6000 years ago. This isn’t a serious debate.

>>513436950
But it is anon… tall son will have sons while short son will not. Tall son’s progeny will fly.

>>513437044
I think this is why consciousness seems to feel right behind them.

I mean for those of us with internal monologues. I don’t have any clue what the automatons are experiencing.

>>513438492
It doesn't disprove as well that life on earth came from the space through meteors filled with frozen water containing microorganisms needed for life. In fact this is much more probable than the soup theory.

Now if you ask me the probability of these comets travel through the whole space and reach earth with the specific kind of needed microorganisms to create life I would say is less than 0.1%, but if you ask me if some sort of intelligent form of life directed it? I would 50%.

>>513438736
There's even a term for that theory is called panspermia theory and it was formulated by greeks.

>>513438381
>Tell me, does picrel look like a complex change? This was done while humans existed. This time frame is utterly dwarfed by the planet's life cycle.
you are comparing the manufactured evolution of bananas to all of the life on this planet. do you suggest that the evolution of humans on this planet was also manufactured?

>>513438736
Moon is a hollow spaceship flown in by Aliens so you don't have to speculate.

>>513438736
Look at this idiot

>>513435847 (OP)
So where tf does this guy take the ball?

>>513435939
nobody understands evolution and if you think you do you never actually studied it beyond grade school

>>513436015
million monkeys on typewriters you DUMB NIGGER holy shit
have you seen how good you can make machine learning at Mario IN A WEEK just with the instructions "don't die" and "try random shit" then culling the weakest ones?
We're talking billions of years of nature throwing shit at the wall through random mutations in a MASSIVE number of oceanic vents spewing organic matter

>>513438832
That is none of his concern

>>513437580
Or “head towards light for warm/food.”

>>513438841
>I don’t understand something
>NO ONE UNDERSTANDS ANYTHING

Holy shit fuck off evolution isn’t complicated at all. The fittest survive and reproduce. Adaptations are a feature of life that produce differential fitness for surviving to age of reproduction.

>atheists with circumcision.
Explain that shit to me using evolution.

>>513438790
One thing that also makes me think that some sort of superior form of life exists is the fact that another meteor killed the dinosaurs, cause dinosaurs couldn't evolve into intelligent life. Just a thought though.

>>513439001
> the fact that another meteor killed the dinosaurs, cause dinosaurs couldn't evolve into intelligent life

These monkey niggers are amazing to watch. I can see why the annunaki came to earth now.

>>513438945
The CONCEPT of "evolution" isn't complicated, just like the CONCEPT of "physics" isn't complicated. There isn't a single person alive who "understands physics" or "understands evolution", you brainlet redditard.

>>513439071
Haha you’re a fucking idiot. I can understand enough physics to understand what happened when your mum dropped you on your head several times.

>>513435847 (OP)
god must be a turbo autist

>>513439059
I'm being real, if you just consider the possibility of a superior form of life with a mission to "breed the galaxy" by example having control and knowledge over creating life and spreading it through the space and watch it evolves then you could understand that at some point they realized that some kinds of living beings never evolves over a certain point, such as dinosaurs that probably happened in other planets, so they reset the experiment by sending a meteor.

>>513439059
The monkey is closer to the trail than you are. When billions of iterations of some retarded AI keeps dying on the first level of Mario the choice usually is to wipe it clean and start from scratch rather than letting it run.

if you think thats a word salad you are so stupid it should e illegal for you to speak
>>513436068
not an explanation, just a description which still fails to refute the logic of the statement you are responding to . it doesnt even offer an alternative logic, I am sure debaters who use the rules of logic have a word for that

>>513439128
you sound mad

>>513438795
No, retard. Artificial selection and natural selection are different things.

>>513437971
Engineering is LITERALLY a tech tree you stupid fucking niggermonkey. Kill yourself this very instant.

>>513439193
And they only do that cause the microorganisms sent through space debris carries the exact kind of needed microorganisms to develop intelligent life, certainly during the organizing of these microorganisms there are potential mishappenings that can lead to a different form of life unwanted, but the needed microorganisms to create mamals by example is there. Matter of fact is that every living being on earth was at some point the same kind of microorganisms.

>>513438736
I have been leaning into the view that all potential outcomes exist simultaneously, resulting in there being the “adjacent” existence where red means go vs green and wholly alien existences like Flatland. If this is so, is there a distinction between the “naturally selected” world and the one almost identical to it and the one wholly alien? Do you exist in all of them?

This does not solve the “is there a creater” question. It sure as shit would mean desert fairy tails got it right though (save, perhaps, in those realities where they do).

>>513438983
Social pressures exist and conformity may make one more likely to reproduce.

If you can’t understand natural selection don’t bother trying to understand sexual selection or husbandry.

>>513439335
then why bring it up?

This thread is sponsored by Mossad
I am still not forgetting about the epstein files or the gazan genocide

>>513439402
You see, the issue about beliefs, theories and religions is that people in general don't put too much thought into it. Religion as a guide exists as a history book in my opinion and many of the things written there are based on the generational empirism, the issue with it is: how people understood the world back then is completly different from the understanding we have today cause we got more information than they had.

So in this case is common to get people fighting over religion vs science and I do believe that one day religion ain't gonna be something sacred but a piece of history, but day isn't today yet.

I don't think that multi layered realities exist where things are different but in the same way, but I do believe that a multi layered space exists which means a space inside a space inside a space and so on until we reach a primordial space. The primordial universe or the first one to come into existence.

>>513435847 (OP)
The very fact s()yence shames the past for "believing in spontaneous generation" when their entire theory relies on abiogenesis, which is spontaneous generation, tells you they are a bunch of liars.

>>513439193
Retarded monkey fanfic

>>513439251
Burger defunded education system smooth brain technofantasy

>>513439298
Eastern euro rape baby FASD brain

>>513439491
The side with God will live, the side with no God will die. It's that simple.

>>513439877
y so mad tho

>>513437100
>body does not need to dedicate something to a organ that has no function
But it has a function, detecting light

>>513439877
Regardless any view needs belief and faith since there isn’t enough data to prove anything conclusively. Just as one would need faith to take gene therapy treatment without data on the long term effects.

>>513437899
The flaw in your estimate is that the monkeys have to get the entirety of Hamlet in one go. If each sentence, or even word, that they guessed correctly was 'locked in' then I imagine the time would decrease exponentially. The probability of getting a given sequence "thy" (1/26^3) is much higher than getting the entirety of Hamlet randomly.

>>513436602
>ruzzian education
lol

>>513439296
No, you just have problems with inference.
The argument was that a complex system can't evolve because a simpler version wouldn't be fit for purpose.
The response I gave was that a simple function that serves a simple purpose could be co-opted for more complex purposes ad the necessary component arise independently.

>>513435847 (OP)
they don't actually.
Evolution is the result of gene mutation not the cause. Dumb nigger.

>>513436783
literally no one thinks this.

>>513438486
natural selection improves a species, evolution creates new species. learn to read monkey

>>513440051
detecting light is not a single step, you need to change a lot of things in the cell to make that happen. if one of those steps is contingent on another step already being present, then it can not evolve. that stop the whole process and you never reach your destination of a cell that can detect light

>>513440814
Evolution is natural selection. There is no exact definition of species.

>>513439533
Because it's the same mechanism you mongoloid

>>513440853
>detecting light is not a single step
it is, light detection only requires a single existing chemotactic or signalling protein to develop the capacity to bind with any natural chromophore

>>513440853
This is always such a retarded argument. Multiple small changes can happen in parallel. Some changes aren't necessarily beneficial, but are also not detrimental enough to be removed via natural selection. Evolution does not have this arbitrary barrier you insist upon.

>>513435847 (OP)
>cartoon for brainlets mistaken for reality

Every thread apparently.

>>513435847 (OP)
>Im so intellectually incurious that my answer to the complex mechanisms of the world are “lol it’s magic I ain’t gotta explain shit”

>>513435847 (OP)
Christcucks believe a magical Jew waved a magic wand and created the world in 7 days.

>>513441221
that is not a single step. proteins developing a new way to interface with a cell is already a complex system in of itself
>>513441247
>Multiple small changes can happen in parallel
the chance of randomly changing hundreds of things to a perfect configuration in one go is not realistic. if that was the case, then our DNA would not be so similar to other things

>>513435847 (OP)
Wtf am I looking at?

>>513441603
they already interface with the cell, that is the whole point. the conformational change is just induced by a new ligand, which can be changed with a single amino acid mutation

>>513438842
The difference is that you're overseeing the process. Your argument actually implies a creator.

>>513441603
>the chance of randomly changing hundreds of things to a perfect configuration in one go is not realistic.
Good thing nobody's arguing that's what happened. They aren't necessarily independent events. It's not necessarily that many factors. And there was no end goal in mind.

If your jaw was shaped a little differently, all the "hundreds of things" that your jaw connects to would change right along with it.

>>513441765
a complex series of changes is needed for that protein to be programmed into producing something new. it also needs to know where to put that amino acid. proteins are very large. imagine if it evolved that trait in the wrong spot, making it ineffective at signaling for the light-sensitive cell. would it be easier for evolution to build upon that mutation, or would it be easier to just remove it and maybe never try again?

>>513442045
It requires a single nucleotide to be incorrectly replicated, which regularly happens, and for that to by chance result in one of the amino acids in the binding site changing as a result. you are either irredeemably stupid or a slideposting shill

>>513435847 (OP)
Qrd

>>513435847 (OP)
What is this shit?
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMA8Xt6kc/

>>513436776
Lmao good one

>>513436025
Both are

>>513435847 (OP)
they believe in the moon landing too
society is fucked

>>513439392
You are arguing with an average russian, there is no chance of
Getting something intelligent out of him

Even less chance when he is ragebaiting

>>513435883

>>513442152
a SINGLE nucleotide being changed is enough to mutate a cell into something that can immediately fulfill the function of another cell?

>>513435883
Spin Orbit coupling

>>513435847 (OP)
chadwalk

>>513436025
>Which is more retarded?
Those that think we're monkeys on a spinning ball.

>>513441090
The statement "Evolution is natural selection" is a common misconception. Evolution and natural selection are related but distinct concepts. Evolution refers to the change in heritable traits within a population over successive generations, which can be measured as a change in allele frequencies over time.
Natural selection is one of the primary mechanisms that drive this evolutionary change.

>>513435847 (OP)
Theistic evolution is a thing. That is, evolution is true but it couldn't happen without a divine guiding hand.

>>513436247
>Why did God do this?
Asking Him when you'll meet Him!

>>513436247
Come up with a better one nigger. Or better yet get off 4chan until you realize that best doesn't equate to perfect.

>>513436367
>>513436367
>theists try to debunk science using science
scientists debunks science using science picrel

>>513435847 (OP)
Faggot op and the rest of you. I asked wtf this is

>>513442435
yes, at astronomically low odds but that is where magnitude of all life comes into it. all you need is one natural molecule in a cell designed to detect that molecule to be replaced with a different natural molecule

>>513442780
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinesin

>>513440463
stupid

just as unlikely , if not more so than a complete eye and support forming in one generation
>>513441221
all of which is astonishingly complex
reminds me of the simple single cell idea they drop on you, never mind that single cell is not so simple after all

>>513442152
you missed his point
your proteins are complex, you start with the hard work done then want to claim credit ? Like the immigrants saying they built the West gtfoh

>>513436432
But do you know why nothing evolves no more ?
Why do we not see any fish turn into 4 legged mammal ?

>>513442894
If your only rebuttal is "stupid and wrong," all I need to refute you is to point out that you're stupid and wrong.
See >>513442032

>>513442810
do you have any examples of two different but complete functions that can be completed by a single DNA change? it would be interesting to read about scientists manually engineering a cell by a single DNA change. as far as i know, every function requires a sequence of genetic code in order to work

>>513442994
He asked for development of light detection in a single step in a cell which does not have light detection, you cannot goalpost move to any form of receptor interaction

>>513436564
Just wait till you see how complex the creator is.

this is what peak evolution looks like

>>513435847 (OP)
Fuck you Sisyphus. Stop carrying that large boulder of genetic material/protein/whatever the fuck is that green shit and let us die NOW

>>513443052
jaw
you start with the complex already in existence, not just bone, the brain, the....
you dont understand the arguments
Change right along with it
an assumption, yet again
The only thing that would " change " which would not introduce anything new, would be muscle , tendon length etc
you - Some people short, some people tall, evolution proved
Night anons , may not come back. Posted b4 this board has gotten dumber. This convo is disheartening
Am I arguing with bots ?

>>513440814
Actually, humans create new species. Species are not a real thing, they are arbitrary boxes we drew around animals. Species only exists in our minds.

>>513443090
>do you have any examples of two different but complete functions that can be completed by a single DNA change?
Tree hopper horns are coded by the same gene that codes their wings.

>>513443315
thank you

>>513443291
>you start with the complex already in existence, not just bone, the brain, the....
>you dont understand the arguments
No. I do understand the argument. It's just an analogy. You're failing the breakfast quandary here.

>The only thing that would " change " which would not introduce anything new, would be muscle , tendon length etc
Yes. That is my point. Multiple different things can change interdependently.

>>513435847 (OP)
sisyphus mechanics, there's always an immortal punished into doing the work the rest of the immortals are too lazy and stupid to do.

>>513441793
'Don't die' is the filter in real evolution. A crestor is not needed for that.

>>513442873
I asked for a qrd faggot not tldr

>>513436086
what a retarded non argument

>>513443611
normies rediscovered sisyphus in the matrix, they dont know how to explain it away.
see >>513443552

>>513436564
Me too except god was probably a proto native American who domesticated wolfs and thought to himself "what if we domesticated humans?".

In that case I'm a 100% believer

>>513443593
>Don't die

The evolutionary trait of absolutely everything

>>513443593
>'Don't die' is the filter in real evolution.
To optimize the "don't die" function you would decrease complexity, not increase it.
(In other words, the expected value of a stochastic random walk is zero.)

But who am I kidding, this is falling on deaf ears. The science fags are universally innumerate and illiterate.

>>513443038
Things do evolve. Scientists dumped a bunch of Italian wall lizard on an island with no bugs. They returned years later and the lizards had developed bigger heads, stronger jaws, and a cecal valve in their gut that allowed them to digest plants.

>>513436564
Where's my gold, golden retriever? You were bred for one purpose.

>>513437402
if we are in a simulation we can't see the realm we are being simulated from. like characters in games can't see the player

>>513436950
Actually I believe in Mesoevolution and that it can only happen on flattened Earth after Adam (gravity is fake.)

>>513436068
*writes a novel in english by randomly hitting on a keyboard for 6 gazillion years*

>>513435883
fpbp

>>513443611
It's how your cells transport shit inside them to the right place.
There's structures called "microtubules" that are a long string of proteins. One end of the kinase attaches itself to the cargo while the other end "walks" along the tubule by repeatedly attaching and disconnecting to it.

>>513443734
So what you're saying is that world elites were dumping billionaires on Epstein island where the only source of food were kids to turn them into reptilians

>>513443700
Organisms must compete with each other. All but the simplest consume organic matter. To stay alive one organism either needs to replicate fast enough that some iterations of it survive or have other qualities that put it above its competition. Like natural camouflage, being fast, being tough or being intelligent.

>>513443820
>it turns out to be twilight
now I understand why earth is shit

It must suck to be such a contrarian faggot you have to deny any scientific understanding of the world.

>>513435883
I have literally never met anyone who could answer this question. Yes, even those who mocked it and made memes about it.

>>513443879
I saw it.

Richard Ramirez was probably a troon. But that's more of a native American androgyny thing.

>>513436541
The supidest and poorest breed the most.

Are they the most smart?

>>513443734
>on an island with no bugs.

Wow what a magical place.
Tourism there must be great!

Fucking idiot

>>513443879
As far as I know the only 2 groups of humans who don't have androgyny are jeets and blacks.

>>513443734
>We put lizards on an island, and they remained lizards, this is proof we all come from monkeys which came from fish which came from a sterile puddle

Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds

>>513443038
>But do you know why nothing evolves no more ?
Things evolve all the time. Every mutation is evolution. Hell, breeding is evolution.
Ever heard of antibiotic resistant bacteria? You can WATCH it evolve on a table with different nutrition solutions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plVk4NVIUh8This

>>513442770
Duncan McDougall experiment is utterly horseshit.
Already decried by his peers at the time, he only was able to see a loss in weight in one instance out of six of the patients. When the community got wind that he wasn't treating the dying patients, he was forbidden to use more, so he turned to using dogs for his retarded experiment.
When he couldn't find any weight discrepancy in the dogs, he concluded that dogs don't have a soul.
Except one of the major differences between dogs and humans is that dogs don't sweat.
Nigga weighted post mortem water loss and concluded that was the soul.

You have to be a turbo retard to fall for this charlatan's shit.

>>513438040
If you google pictures of the described processes it looks pretty much like in the video, so i'd say yes

>>513435847 (OP)
Wallace and Darwin discovered the creator (of life) a little under two hundred years ago. His name is Azathoth.
>>513444036
Why is Patxi Aguirre depicted as having a German fashion sense?

mmmyep, most intelligent being in the universe made this

>>513444558

>>513444738
that ratio only applies to gay hands

Humans for the most part have a mixture of androgyny and Neoteny.

East asians-baby girls
Jeets-4 to 6 year old boys
Whites/meds-7 to 11 year old girl
Jews/arabs-12 to 15 years old girl
Native Americans south/central- 16 to 18
Native Americans North- 19 to 24
Blacks- 25 to 40

These are estimates of course but you get the idea.

>>513444016
newfags took 4chan being contrarian too literally so all we get now is shitty bait posts and retards thinking they're in good company

>>513443457
>Yes. That is my point. Multiple different things can change interdependently.

came back cant sleep
thats not real change, they did not change , the are within the set, not outside it. I stretch , become more limber , I work out , more muscle, - - no new function, no before unkown function arises im tired so cant find the word, just trying to say , we , our bodies, have a range , but we do not transcend it. kind of clumsy but should have nodded of 7 hrs ago.
The jaw is the same butwhat ever species not an individual
>>513443734
was already in the DNA. demographic drift

>>513442366
>flag
Your kind is as bad as russians

>>513444846
wrong, measure your fingers

>>513444558
Just the fact that there is clear lineage between species makes it obvious that the animals have evolved from each other. Why do whales have fingers inside their flippers and hips for their non existent legs? If they had actually been intelligently designed you would never put those things on a water animal, but it makes perfect sense when you see that whales evolved from animals that walked on land. There are countless examples just like this in nature that make absolutely no sense to have deliberately designed.

>>513438381
whats wrong with that bannanna

>>513435847 (OP)
>God gives you cancer as he pleases
Damn. Does he also make the chemo work when he pleases?

>>513437167
The concept that an intelligent designer is responsible is so hard grained into them that they cannot even consider that evolution isn't intelligent, and isn't trying to build some design.

These people have been brainwashed since birth to reject science, you can't explain it to them with science. Their arguments have no logic, because logic is of the devil

the only way evo works is if its already in the DNA
as if cleverly designed .
hmm, things may need to adapt, lets see, how could we work that into the design.
And by the way, such a brilliant concept , in the future they will figure out it couldnt exist by chance, no roll of the dice would create such an incredibly complex system for survival that really is such a stroke of brilliance, they will know, it was by design.

>>513443700
>To optimize the "don't die" function you would decrease complexity, not increase it.
>"Camoflage? Too complex better get rid of it and be Bright White"
>"Eyes? Too complex better get rid of them and be blind"
>"Amylase enzymes? Too complex better get rid of it and limit my food sources"
>"Cellular Fat deposits? Too complex better get rid of it and be forced to eat every day or starve"

>>513435847 (OP)
>EYY I'M WALKING HERE

>>513445204
not the point
You cant even see the argument because you just regurgitate what you read in a book, wriiten by a some guy with an ego and faults just like everyone else

>>513445044
The recurrent laryngeal nerve in a giraffe taking the longest way around the heart for no fucking reason is probably the cleanest example of this.

>>513445204
>>513445276
Pretty much confirming what you say.

>>513445447
Belief expects you to accept what you were told.
Knowledge requires you to understand what you were explained.
You're doing the former thinking you are doing the latter and accuse your detractors of what you are really doing.
You are disingenuous because it's the only way you can hold on to your belief instead if seeking the wisdom of knowledge.
Your insults mean about as much as your poorly thought out arguments.

>>513440853
The best part about this idiot harping on eyes being impossible of that have evolved multiple independent times

>>513435847 (OP)
yeah, but did you see how LLMs can generate shitty video variants of already shitty videos?
That is true genius! I cant wait for my humanoid Tesla robot to tie my shoe! We really have replaced god.

>>513438795
Isn't it being manufactured now with the immigrations, the vaccines, and the "food" we're given

>>513438795
>>513439335
In a way modern humans have been "manufactured" similarly to the banana through the selective pressures of human made civilization. Civilization itself is domesticating humanity.

Retarded take.
The real question is where did evolution come from.

>>513436015
>partially manifesting a complex function in an incomplete manner offers no benefit for survivability or reproduction
Except it does. Look at mudskippers.Partial lungs help survivability, and evolving to full lungs don't even take a brain cell to comprehend.

>>513445463
Even better that the comment is directly below mine.

Even the guy that tried to insult me in response confirmed my statement, his insult was basically "you're one of those idiots that can learn"

>>513436015
evolutiontards are cultists
their theory is unfalsifiable and basically just another religion, but one that aims to promote nihilism and despair
if they ever find that they can't explain something, they will just claim it took billions of years and therefore it magically happened
"billions of years" is the evolutionist's version of "god did it"

>>513446216
It don't from God not being good enough to design something that doesn't immediately try to improve itself.

>>513436015
irreducible complexity was dead on arrival. it did not account for the phenomenon of scaffolding, and after holding out way longer than it was intellectually honest to do so, Dumbski quietly changed his definition to one that is actually correct but which no longer precludes evolution.

>>513439335
there's no such thing as natural selection
atheisttards will mock muh ghost in the machine and muh invisible hand and then ascribe the same exact principle to evolution

>>513446216
Whimsical quirk of brains that causes animals to select for weird traits
It's like how everyone you've ever seen who was horribly deformed had a girlfriend

>>513438381
Perfect example of "False equivalency"... I'm sure that's beyond your comprehension, but you should google it before you make yourself look any dumber.... the modern bananna was manmade dumbass... thats like saying a house evolved from a tree... the HRT is rotting your brain kiddo

>>513446536
No idiot
Evolution is a side effect of the laws of physics
So where did those come from

>>513436432
hehehehe... eye cup...

>>513446595
Something other than nothing question. Impossible for any worldview to answer whether atheistic or theistic.

>>513446353
Indeed, they believe in it with the same religious fervor they criticize in christcucks. They're also all either retarded or liars for not understanding the idea of intelligent design, intelligent does not mean perfect, they act as if there was a dichotomy of "either everything is random, or everything should be perfect". A car is intelligent design, that doesn't mean there aren't always ways to make it faster or more durable. It wasn't a tornado over billions of years that assembled all the parts in the right place, it was an intelligent mind.

They defend abiogenesis but 9 times out of 10 pretend it's irrelevant or that it's proven when it's absolutely not, they misunderstand intelligent design on purpose, they immediately accuse you of being a christcuck if you don't believe in wewuzmonkeys... it's an atheist jewish cult of basedence.

>>513445276
>DNA encodes development and cell function
>hence God exists
If it didn't, we wouldn't be here arguing. The billions of rocks on Mars that don't have this random encoding and aren't alive.
>but as if
I don't care for "as ifs".

>>513446690
There is no reason to posit a conscious designer of life though. It’s not impossible but there is no evidence of it except you asserting that life is too complex to have evolved with natural processes.

>>513435847 (OP)
I look like that and move in tune with that rhythm.

>>513446595
we don't live in a world where "anything" can happen. We live in a world there "everything" does happen. Which includes our little slice of experience, however improbable

>>513444969
the dumbest retard on /pol/ is the king of the normies, so it makes sense.

>>513446477
You literally cannot comprehend that evolution isn't working toward a design.

If a random mutation is beneficial that creature gets to reproduce and it gets passed on.

If a random mutation has no effect that creature gets to reproduce and it gets passed on

If a random mutation has a negative effect then that creature might not survive to reproduce and it doesn't get passed on as much

Eventually the first two groups out breed the third and that new mutation is now the new normal, and just maybe a little better suited for it's environment.

This process never stops, there is no stopping point where evolution says "ok no more mutations for this little guy he's perfect"

These aren't mutations with a goal, they aren't trying to improve the organism, it's literally a copy and paste mistake, a typo

The best part is that this process does not require your understanding

>>513446781
Every evolutionist discourse is provably wrong, therefore some form of intelligent design is the rational viewpoint as of today's knowledge. Nothing in the evolutionist discourse makes sense, every sentence starts with "Imagine" and ends with "for trillions of gorillions of years" when "scientific" dating is a proven fraud that gives bullshit results constantly.

We can't date anything older than human writing with the slightest precision, the only reason there is a common belief that the universe is billions of years old is because it's convenient for the evolutionists to create bigger and bigger retarded timescales. At this point, it's vastly more plausible for the universe to be around 10k years than the billions and billions made up on the spot by evolutionists.

The fact so many atheists are so cringe as to love the simulation idea but vehemently deny intelligent design is just another proof of their hypocrisy.

RETARDS THINK THAT THEY CAN THINK THE UNTHINKABLE THREAD NO. 1171264637826364783723672746

>>513446867
>We live in a world there "everything" does happen.
You have no proof that the universe is infinite in time and space, so that argument goes right into the trash.

>>513446941
yes i can recite the dogma too, that doesn't make it any more compelling

>>513447000
it doesn't have to be, because we have simulation layers

>>513446959
>I'm too stupid to grasp the concepts therefore it is false.

Imagine being so stupid that you think that arguing that you are a moron is a good argument

>>513439979

>>513447018
Oh you are right, skydaddy made us makes much more sense

If it wasn't for religion and have conquered the stars by now

>>513435847 (OP)
Thats right, an invisible magician living in the sky made it.

>>513447054
Proof?

>>513447273
Just look at your own brain.
Let your own experience prove it to you

>>513447187
>Oh you are right, skydaddy made us makes much more sense
It literally does. Look into NDEs. Skydaddy made the physical world so we can learn and grow in ways that isn't possible in the post-abundance spiritual realm with infinite resources and time.

>>513447077
>Social shaming, surely that will work on chuds
How's the weather at Eglin?

It's always the same script with evolutionists:
>"It's so simple, it's just mutations + long time"
>Can you give any example of this actually happening, not extrapolating retarded nonsense out of nothing or showing me flies become mutilated wingless flies?
>"noooo you're too stupid to understand!!! trust the basedence!!!!"

It's also hilarious how ubiquitously you ignore the fact your retarded mantra requires nuclear holocaust genocides every single generation for it to work. Even ignoring the fact it's not added information, because mutations cannot create new genetic information, let's take someone born today with 6 fingers on each hand. According to your own discourse, such a change (and many much more subtle ones) must be so game-breaking, so advantageous that only this specimen breeds while all the others die because of "natural selection", and that's ignoring the fact nature fights tooth and nail to prevent this sort of mistakes.

Every single sentence when an evolutionist tells a story starts with "imagine", far far away and a very long time, and if that doesn't work, it was further away and even more time.

>>513447187
muh stardust

>>513444995
You are a memeflaggot and should not talk about flags you eunuch coward

Willful ignorance is always fascinating to me. It truly is one of the worst personality traits.

You can't explain evolution to Jesus people using science. The only option left is insult and ridicule.

>>513447355
Nah nigger, that stupid shit is an insult to sophistry

>>513447715
You're a dumb nigger but that's okay

>>513445084
It has sneeds because it can breed.

>>513447401
It's hilarious how hard you work to not understand evolution.

I'm not talking about the mechanism it describes.

I'm talking about the actual words of the theory, what it says.

Because, my man, where did you get that strawman it's quite impressive and doesn't resemble the theory at all.

You think you are doing well with your assignments but some of us pity you, the rest of us laugh at how pathetic you are and you've convinced no one that wasn't brain washed as a child

>>513447785
Oh hey look, you just repeated my insult back to me, I'm honestly impressed you managed that

>evolution isn't real
if everything is manufactured by some nebulous definition of intelligence, who manufactured the intelligence that made us? At least evolution is similar to Boltzmann Brains where shit can just come together out of sheer randomness, even if for a moment.

>>513435847 (OP)
>ayyyy im walken here

@513448072
>the nigger is still talking

>>513448167
You are all over this thread faggot determined to prove your idiocy to the world LMAO

>>513435847 (OP)
Animation has evolved, but OP's intelligence is stuck in the Epoch of Looney Toons Physics.

>>513448016
>social shaming social shaming social shaming social shaming
Very convincing Eglin. Everyone understands how your retarded jewish "theory" works, "muh mutations and long time, the end", it's any form of proof that lacks, and you know there is none, which is why all you have is jewish debate tactics.

>>513435847 (OP)
>there are a billions, if not more, of these proteins wage slaving in your body right now
Did you guys remember to say thank you to your body?

>>513448400
There is plenty of evidence

We know you will choose to ignore anything we show you. Pearls before swine.

The only thing left of to insult you, and you make it fun because your insults in retaliation are so bad that they are funny. It because you are a stupid person, so please keep talking. Dance for me monkey

why does every thread about religion or science stink like wet fucking pajeet

>>513448400
Any proof he'd give you, you'd just move the goalpost. I'd say start with basics like animal husbandry.

>>513448790
Schizo retards and no jannies to grant us relief. You're basically talking to the dumbest of the dumb, the mentally ill. Sadly this is the price we pay for anonymity and growing popularity. Aggressive Jannie tyranny is the only answer.

>>513448697
>>513448923
Nice way to admit you do not have proof.

>I'd say start with basics like animal husbandry.
Wow, you mean that if we take dogs, and artificially select for specific traits, we can get retarded dogs with specific features? Who could have though that if we took a group of humans, and only selected dwarves, we'd end up with only dwarves, must be magic, praise s()yence!

If humans can artificially select dogs with a pronounced specific characteristic to get dogs more like that, that obviously means every dog descended from lizards who descended from a puddle! it only makes sense, being able to separate blonds from redheads means they all descend from fish!

When your actual narrative, what you actually defend, is cleansed of the pseudo-scientific jargon, just like marxists, you're revealed for the utter retards you are. Without the veil of pseudo-intellect you put on for midwits, you are revealed for who you are.

>>513449281
Keep moving the goalpost, cuck boy. You lost.

>>513435847 (OP)
The ATP engine is insane levels of bullshit. Theres no way thats evolution

>>513449356
I admit your concession

>>513436025
No. He reveal himself everyday to many people. That is where you are confused. These people may or may not follow it or understand. As you may have knowledge many times, events and facts present themselves to people faces and yet they do no see or realize. As civilization and many dark ages existed and we have no record.
This timeline you refers as He reveals Himself in this specific time, no, this just an expecific institution that emerged and thru times kept the tradition and the records.
Much is lost, little was preserved.
As your family line, you have many people that came before you, and you know nothing about them. But rest assured they all existed.

>>513449453
I'm not the one acting like a hysterical woman at any semblance of experimental verification. Are you trans or something? Might want to lay off the estrogen there.

>>513449493
Kneel morons, your King has arrived

>>513449520
It really is fascinating behavior to watch isn't it.

As an autism this is like going to the people zoo

>>513435847 (OP)
>electromagnetism and biochemistry is magic
abrahamicucks are retarded, we know.

>>513449281
>it sounds impossible so it must be false
Picrel is a classic example of where naive intuition fails.

>>513440423
The flaw you have is you think imcomplete stages in complexity get locked in, especially when these scaffolds DECREASE, not increase fitness.

So imagine that one sentence alone is detrimental to Hamlet, even if it is part of it.

One of my degrees is in immunology, there is nothing that can convince me evolution alone can explain biological complexity. I'm not a religiousfag either. But there's just no fucking way that this is all random.

People who think "we just evolved bro" have no fucking idea how complex biological systems are. It's peak reddit dunning-kruger.