Thread 513452700

In a hypothetical scenario If the cease-fire became reality and russia accept it and take theses zones and the USA-EU create a safe buffer zone, and this retarded shit end up like this......what would be the lesson of all this? the war is the friends we made along the way?

>>513452700 (OP)
Lesson would be that when you fight BBC fucks your women.

Russia has a natural claim to all these lands, of course they want to take them, they will move heaven and earth to do so. Point is to analyze intent, no matter what they espouse they will attempt to grow into these shoes

>>513452700 (OP)
THE LESSON IS THAT MOSCOVITES ARE THE ENEMY OF EUROPE, and that a new massive military build up of Europe/Ukraine are needed, to prepare for the big war.

>>513452700 (OP)
The lesson is that war is a pointless waste of lives and money, and even if you win you still lose. Its a lesson we've known since WW1, but Putin mentally lives in the 19th century.

>>513452830
>Russia has a natural claim to all these lands
No they don't. What's a "natural claim"? And how does moscvovy have one to Ukraine? There going to die as a race, the moscovites, for this transgression.

>>513452700 (OP)
the lesson is russia is an idiot and also never trust them even after 20 yeards and dont let them in organizations like the UN or g7 or nato

treat them like north korea and fuck their economy for generations untill they end up like a worse iran then bomb them

>>513452939
They had them in the past, they see them as their geopolitical backyard, even the people there aren't so fucking alien

>>513452830
>Russia has a natural claim to all these lands,
The claim being that they planted russians in it last time they occupied it.

>>513452937
Putin tried to end it in march 2022

>>513453750
The f are you lying on the internet for, Russians were in "Ukraine" since Empire times, it was an integral part of Russia

>>513453750
Ukrainersvin rejs hjem

>>513452700 (OP)
>lesson learned
Nukes are the only guarantee of safety you can give your citizens in the modern world. The words or guarantees of "world powers" are completely meaningless and they will fuck you over as soon as they are able. Any independent nation not working on a nuclear program of their own right now is a fucking fool.
Had Ukraine simply stalled and lied while they took the few needed weeks to covert all their soviet silos they would still own crimea today.

>>513452700 (OP)
The lesson is all slavs are the same despite larping that they are not
Also, idgaf

>>513452939

Listen up, tranny

Ukraine belongs to Russia

>>513452700 (OP)
the lesson of all this is nato can't fight for shit. Russia is like a watered down version of china and if NATO struggles this much to fight Russia then China will overrun them in 2 minutes.

>>513452700 (OP)
>what would be the lesson of all this?
That you should never underestimate russian capability to fail at everything it tries to do.

>>513452700 (OP)
>what would be the lesson of all this?
That apparently one man has the unilateral power to arbitrarily reverse a whole suite of effective policies that were maintaining a winning posture and turn it into defeat. The lesson here is that autocracy is an irrational system which lends itself to poor outcomes. Putin's autocracy created a bubble of weak liars who didn't threaten Putin's power and led to his entry into an unwinnable war based on a culture of lies. Trump's autocratic tendencies have taken that unwinnable war and decided that Russia should win because... well, I'm not sure anyone really knows why Trump is doing what he's doing. Maybe it's because he personally likes Putin, on that level; maybe because he feels like they're "in it together" with the whole """"Russia Russia Russia hoax"""" and thinks Putin feels the same way. Maybe it's because he's getting back at Zelensky for not giving him dirt on the Biden family, or maybe just because he ran out of pics of Hunter's juicy, throbbing cock. Maybe it's because the successful policies were implemented under a Democrat presidency and he just... doesn't like that. Maybe it's the purely spiteful prosecution of a grudge and it's just that simple for him -- he's "getting back" at Democrats for holding him accountable for his crimes (all of whose consequences he evaded anyway). Maybe it's all of the above.

What we do know is that this isn't a reasoned product of expert analysis. We know this because there are no experts in Trump's administration really, and the handful there are have been chosen because they just YAAS KANG him every time he says anything. If he's wrong, they don't tell him that; a lot like how the war started, with Putin's weak inner circle of yes-men, really.

Does it really matter? The output is a consistent stream of moronic policies. It's like a negative feedback loop:
>Trump does something retarded
>everyone around him claps and tells MAGA!!!
>Trump gains confidence
>repeat

>>513455009
>Had Ukraine simply stalled and lied while they took the few needed weeks to covert all their soviet silos they would still own crimea today.

They had no way to maintain those nukes faggot, nobody in the world wanted them to keep thier nukes. Also they GLADLY accepted 2 billion dollars for those nukes.

>>513455862
People say this cope about russia a lot too.
It does not take some mystery alien technology to.. maintain military equipment. I already agree they were fucking retards for taking the money tho.

>>513452700 (OP)
The lesson would be to understand Sun Tsu's "Art of War" rather than just mindlessly recite it.

Sun Tsu would have looked at the situation on day one and rightly concluded that Ukraine could not win. So once the Ukrainian riposte encountered serious resistance he would have advised asking for peace, regardless of territorial loss.
Sun Tsu would have understood that retaining the most important asset a country can have, its people, would obviously take precedent over losing a huge percentage of the population, having half your country's infrastructure devastated, becoming a puppet state indebted to Western interests, plundered for its natural resources for the next one hundred years, and flooded by third world immigrants.
Then Sun Tsu would council waiting until the time was favorable to strike back, even if that meant waiting decades, or even centuries if need be. First you must win, then you go to war.

>>513455696
>muh experts could have solved this!
We are in this mess because “experts” like Victoria Nuland got sloppy.

>>513452700 (OP)
All you need to do is assassinate a bunch of Russian leaders in a row and the country plunges into a power struggle. All this weak "civilization" bores me. It never gets anything done.

>>513452700 (OP)
>retarded shit end up like this......wh
It will never end and you will be deported in Russia, Ivan.

>>513456053
Look, man. Everyone knows when you decide it's time to stretch your Twitter fingers for a based one-liner that you have no clue what you're talking about here; that you have no independent interest in war, eastern Europe, or even politics. This is why you engage shallowly. Everyone knows that your "interest" in this subject is a function of your prepackaged set of beliefs as they interact with whatever your favorite conspiracy-theory-social-movement happens to be.

It's okay to be disinterested in something. It's okay to not care. You don't need to pretend to have a strong opinion. Everyone knows you just kinda picked up the "NOOLINS COOKIES" thing online and kinda just "accepted it" because everyone else was doing it.

When you don't have anything to say, it's often a better option to shut the fuck up. If you can't manage that, maybe ask questions instead of asserting a trivial point.

>>513455696
tl;dr you're a fucking faggot and all your cope and seethe won't win the war for the ukraine

>>513452700 (OP)
BOO HOO HOO, yOU HAVE TO GIVE THE RUSSIAN PARTS OF RUSSIA BACK. I AM SO DEviSTATED, IF I HAD A PUTIN MONKEY MEMe I"D POST IT AND LAUGH AT ANYOEN WHO THINKS IITS A FORCED MEME * LOOOLLOLOLOOLOLOL*

>>513452700 (OP)
The lesson is that every russian leader that is important to their culture killed millions of their own people for no reason at all.

The russians are actually the greatest defenders of the jewish race. If they had not supported the enemies of the Jews, jews would have race mixed with the humus whitoids (shitskins).

>>513456155
>assassinate a bunch
Right. OR just 1 expired kike and set new presidential elections.

>>513456004
The UK cant even maintain the nukes they have. We do it all for them. You seem retarded.

>>513456435
The tl;dr is that Trump is not a man who has any reason to have deep, considered opinions on anything because he has never had much of an interest in it. This has led to moronic decisions because he's also set up an administration staffed by loyalists whose lack of independent domain expertise is a pro instead of a con. He WANTS people who are too irrelevant to be anything but loyalists. That none of them could ever have gotten this job otherwise means they're completely dependent upon him and more motivated to say YAAS KANG to anything he does, however spurious.

>>513455696
You attribute to one man, Trump, the entire weight of American policy. It does not work like that. Behind the scenes there are hundreds of analysts, high ranking military officials, high level politicians and administrators, counting the beans, running the simulations, crawling over the data. Trump is just the mouth piece of that combined effort.
If you want to know whats behind every international event you just follow the money, ask who gets to beneficent the most from this, how do we gain the best strategic advantage?
The Ukraine war is being fought over its natural gas reserves first, its mineral resources second. The US is playing both sides so as to ensure it can extract, or at least control, most of those resources. Its that simple.
You can go further if you want and talk about cockblocking a resurgent Germany, or inducing weaknesses within the Russian nation, but those are secondary aims, not primary.

>>513452700 (OP)
the lesson would be that russia was allowed to secure warm water ports and the whole sea of azov the defiler. That coastline is worth more than any of that other land by a large margin.

>>513455482
>russia
>letter cards
>children
>not russia letters
what sort of judeo- is this?

>>513456731
>You attribute to one man, Trump, the entire weight of American policy. It does not work like that. Behind the scenes there are hundreds of analysts, high ranking military officials, high level politicians and administrators, counting the beans, running the simulations, crawling over the data
He doesn't listen to any of them. He was notorious in his first administration for getting bored with his intelligence briefings. Briefers had to compete with Fox News, because with anything longer than a few words, he would simply turn back to Fox and listen to the nice words they were saying about him.

This is borne out by results, mind you. I get that YOU might agree with what Trump is doing -- and, while we might all like to consider ourselves experts, you're going to have a really, really hard time finding from among the top experts in e.g. foreign policy who think it's a good idea to roll out the red carpet for Big Vlad and then set Zelensky up for failure. You have to admit on some level that the vast majority of experts are against this -- the experts believe that supporting Ukraine is the best call here.

You'll find a similar problem with, e.g., economics and Trump's retarded tariffs regime.

Keep in mind I'm making a nuanced point here. It's not that you should believe that trump's foreign policy and economic policies are retarded (even though... you absolutely should) but that his actions going so consistently against the expert consensus signify that there are not hundreds of ivy leaguers hard at work giving Trump the best information they can -- and IF they are, he's not listening to them.

>>513455696
>Trump's autocratic tendencies have taken that unwinnable war and decided that Russia should win
Ending the war now leads to anything but this.
If nothing changes, Russia wins eventually, but possibly not before the US admin changes and the next one doubles down on Ukrainian support.
If Trump wanted Russia to win faster he'd lift the sanctions, stop providing military aid and intelligence to Ukraine and embargo military exports to EU for a couple of years.

>>513452700 (OP)
lmao, this 'scenario' is some pure delusional pigger wish fulfillment cope

not an inch less, else to the last hohol

>>513456395
>noooo u can’t just point out systemic failures of state department personnel causing bad thing happening
>muh autocracy and disbelief in experts did it
All of those words to say absolutely nothing of substance. Incredible.

>>513457123
>If Trump wanted Russia to win faster he'd lift the sanctions
He has. One of his first actions in office was to disband the entire branch whose job it was to sniff out Russian sanctions evasion.
>stop providing military aid and intelligence to Ukraine
He has. At critical junctures (e.g. Kursk) he completely stopped sharing of even intelligence to Ukraine. Arms deliveries have been, at best, sporadic, and change with Trump's whimsy.
>and embargo military exports to EU for a couple of years
That, at least, is unlikely. Trump likes things which are purely amoral. He'll sell F-35 to the Qataris if the big man gets taste.

The lesson is that ukrainians are failed men that could not resist the jew and therefore they deserved to die.
The question is where is the next conflict where worthless men will kill each other for no particular reason?
>muh minerals
Cut a deal

>>513452700 (OP)
Here you go OP. You made a mistake asking this to /pol/ instead of GPT, so I helped you out:

https://chatgpt.com/s/t_68a484210848819182bc16c964474499

Updated Spread of Possible Outcomes
1. Frozen Conflict + Security Guarantees
Likelihood: ~45%
>Ukraine doesn’t cede territory formally, but the lines of control harden.
>Europe & U.S. pledge to defend “West Ukraine” if Russia pushes further.
>This is the “Korea 1953” scenario: no treaty, but a long-lasting armistice.
>Nobel potential: Moderate–High (committee likes “stopping the guns,” even if not solving the root issue).


2. Formal Territorial Concessions + Enforced Ceasefire
Likelihood: ~30%
>Ukraine, under pressure, formally cedes occupied territories (Crimea, Donbas).
>In exchange, Russia recognizes Ukraine’s sovereignty over the rest and halts offensives.
>U.S./EU become guarantors, threatening intervention if either side reopens the war.
>Nobel potential: High but controversial — could be framed as “peace through appeasement.”


3. Breakthrough Trilateral Peace Treaty
Likelihood: ~10–15%
>A signed document with Trump, Putin, and Zelenskyy that permanently ends the war.
>Could include demilitarized zones, troop withdrawals, peacekeepers, prisoner exchanges.
>Would be historic — on par with Camp David or Dayton.
>Nobel potential: Very High — likely Trump, Zelenskyy, and Putin together.


4. Talks Collapse Continued War
Likelihood: ~10–15%
>Trilateral meeting fails, Russia escalates, Ukraine digs in, West doubles down on aid.
>Still possible, but momentum is building for some kind of framework.
>Nobel potential: Zero.

>>513452700 (OP)
It would mean when you step up to jews and win they build a 600 mile minefield. They planned to replace putin ages ago with nevaly and look where they are now. America would never accept this though on russias terms it would mean their puppet leaves ukraine and all the military buildup. Losing their proxy would be humilating and its the only reasonable way to attack russia.

>>513457359
You are a lying faggot. He disbanded the pirates going after rich russians
>The Trump administration has disbanded the Task Force KleptoCapture, which was responsible for enforcing sanctions against Russian oligarchs, as part of a shift in focus towards combating drug cartels and gangs.

Also the EU/NATO was giving sattelite info and data in Kursk, it never got cut off. You nafo troon shills disgust me.

>>513452700 (OP)
The lesson is that both sides participated in a campaign to genocide white men.

>>513457388
Your ifelse loop is retarded anon. The Ukrainians wont accept anything that doesn't result in them getting all their territory back, and the Russians won't accept anything that doesn't guarantees Ukrainian neutrality

>>513456731
For the record, I'm not just pulling this out of my ass. There is very good information that this dynamic is not only very much alive but now in the hands of people willing to enforce it. The systemic factors you accurately explain were very much an active dynamic in his first administration. Trump staffed his cabinet with experts and they worked very hard to give him the best information they could according to the mechanisms you outlined. What you're missing here is the fact that this anon is a different beast. The major lesson Trump learned from his retarded ideas being stymied over and over again in Trump 45 is not that he needed to get better about his judgment calls and work on paying better attention to his briefings but that he needed WORSE INFORMATION. This time, instead of experts, he's surrounded by loyalists and sycophants. Tulsi is one of them, as seen here:
>https://apnews.com/article/national-intelligence-council-gabbard-trump-cia-2bc7d2dab2ab067b276d6b8b31a5dea7
It's much, much worse than you think over here.

>>513453113
I had your mom's ass in the past it means I have natural claim over her and everything she shat out after, including (You)

>>513452700 (OP)
>what would be the lesson of all this?
The lesson is that if you are not already filming rich people raping children, you are just choosing poverty.

>>513457821
>The Trump administration has disbanded the Task Force KleptoCapture, which was responsible for enforcing sanctions against Russian oligarchs, as part of a shift in focus towards combating drug cartels and gangs.
Do you have a source for that particular framing? Everything I can find defines it as specifically against Russian oligarchs, e.g. here:
>The Department of Justice (DOJ) is launching a team to enforce its sanctions on Russian oligarchs after President Biden pledged in his address to Congress to go after their “ill-begotten gains.”
>Dubbed Task Force KleptoCapture, the DOJ is assembling a team of its experts in sanctions, money laundering, tax enforcement and anti-corruption to prosecute those who seek to evade the punishing sanctions the U.S. has imposed with the aim of targeting “Russian officials, government-aligned elites, and those who aid or conceal their unlawful conduct.”
>https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/596507-doj-launches-team-to-enforce-sanctions-on-russian-oligarchs/
They have Biden on record giving its context, which aligns with my own memory. Also... who do you think does the actual economic activity against which sanctions must be enforced, if not oligarchs?
>Also the EU/NATO was giving sattelite info and data in Kursk, it never got cut off.
This is just not true. It absolutely was cut off, but I can't spend all my time and energy chasing down every instance in which you're incorrect. Sorry.

>>513452700 (OP)
It's not going to happen. Neutrality of Ukraine is one of the Russian core demands. Any NATO occupation troops in Ukraine are a declaration of war against Russia.

>>513457966
>>513457879
territory is not the question thats what the propagandists feed normies. Its west mafia war vs russian mafia. It being put to a end west mafia won't tolerate. They prepped ukraine to attack russia 90s early 2000s. This war was to regime change russia putin with nevaly super quick ezpz. It all went downhill when putin and his crew choosed not to be passive about it and sent in a military force.

>>513452839 the hypocrisy is insane when u have a fucking pacifist flag. kys retard

>>513458372
If you want peace, prepare for war

>>513458242
>Everything I can find defines it as specifically against Russian oligarchs

Move goalposts much faggot
>sniff out Russian sanctions evasion.

They only stole assets from rich people, they werent going after countries evading sanctions.

>>513458486
If you want peace, nuke London.

>>513458305
Yes, it's a proxy war. But the proxy still has to agree to stop fighting anon. Otherwise the Russians won't have any incentive to stop fighting either.
Also it was in 2014 that Ukraine was flipped to be western aligned. And the Russians didn't sit idly by then either.

>>513452700 (OP)
We stopped the dea we stopped mossad

They will be back specially the dea

>>513457962
Its obvious you are a faggot paid to be here. It sick how you troons are trying to keep this war going.

He fired them because they declassified intel and leaked it to the press to make Trump look bad
Faggot.

>The firings, which were first reported by Fox News Digital, follow the release of a declassified memo from the National Intelligence Council that found no coordination between Venezuela’s government and the Tren de Aragua gang. The Trump administration had given that as reasoning for invoking the Alien Enemies Act and deporting Venezuelan immigrants. The intelligence assessment was released in response to an open records request.

>>513452700 (OP)
They really really really wanted to start world war 3 with russia out of nothing but a false sense of western superiority, arrogance at putin not capitulating russia to their demands, and hubris in general.

Russia ends this war with the strongest military in Europe and will undergo rapid reforms as they take everything they've learned and start applying and integrating and expanding on it across their military, which is something western nations are STILL lagging on doing and by all appearances will continue to lag on.

Russia will be stronger than before the war, more respected too - in spite of european seething and denial.
The US refocuses their attention onto Korea, Israel, and China, armaments heavily diminished and stockpiling restarting (or just being flown straight to Israel for no real reason)
Europe continues being retarded cucks with no military and burgeoning citizen revolts/rebellions that the elites will blame on russia, but actually are caused by their own idiot policies

>>513457966
Russia had Berlin once, it can take it again, you're proof of that lingering brown eminence

>>513458995
Napoleon had Moscow too, it can be burned down again, also pay depts you nigger

>>513452700 (OP)
Is it your experience that governments learn lessons?

>>513452700 (OP)
Near-peer wars are basically unwinnable in the current 2025 meta.

>>513458497
>One of his first actions in office was to disband the entire branch whose job it was to sniff out Russian sanctions evasion.
As you said TF KleptoCapture was the shop which sniffed out sanctions evasion. This is evidenced by the spate of secondary sanctions on e.g. Chinese banks and further evidenced by fucking barter deals with India. TFKC was the enforcement arm of the sanctions regime against Russia. By disbanding it, Trump defanged the sanctions regime. No goalposts were moved.

>>513452700 (OP)
The neocons have literally been completely wrong about every position they've ever taken and, after they got raped in Iraq and Afghanistan, Ukraine decided to take strategic advice from them.

>>513459121
Napoleon got fucked up the ass by the Russians. The Mongols had the best results against them and now they both love each other.

>>513452830
>Russia has a natural claim to all these lands
So do I

>>513459121
Fat lot of good that did napoopan, turns out moscow is a finger of the hand that extends all the way to kamchatka. You're gonna have to pay the Poles, you're gonna have to pay the French, and then us too for your cosmic world-warring

>>513452700 (OP)
The lesson would be BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

>>513452937
Look at this fag.

>>513458995
>Russia had Berlin once, it can take it again
In less than two weeks I assume?

>>513459400
Ukraine can be a German subservient, but for a Russian they can be national land, annexed land, they don't have to think about "us and them"

>>513452700 (OP)
>don't be like retarded hohol
>be smart like finland
>be smart like georgia
>be smart like Latvia
>and give back russian speaking territories to russia
>and your country won't be bombed and destroyed

>>513452839
This post wrongly implies ukraine is Europe, lol

>>513459351
They busted ZERO chinese banks faggot shill.
Also
>While the memo cuts against the claim that support for TdA is a direct policy from Maduro's regime, it does note that FBI analysts agree that "some Venezuelan government officials facilitate TDA members' migration from Venezuela to the United States and use members as proxies … to advance what they see as the Maduro regime's goal of destabilizing governments and undermining public safety in these countries."

>>513459549
With the support of every western leader, it sure took time, Russia nowadays is a stump of what it used to be but even that is ALIVE with INTENT, that is the lesson of the thread, they are not done trying to reunify

>>513458804
Yeah, that's an adequate summary of how they spun it for sure. Note that the summary of their actual findings was that TdA had no connection to the Venezuelan government, which wasn't what Trump believed. They were fired and, I'm sure, replaced by people who were willing to tell Trump things more along the lines of what he wanted to hear... which is the point I'm trying to make.

For the record, unclassified literally means fit for public consumption. If Trump wants all information that goes against what he wants to believe to be classified... that suggests a very worrying dynamic, no?

It suggests something very, very grim is going on in our government if you care about openness and transparency as core values. Maybe you dont care about stuff like that?

>>513452700 (OP)
>lesson
NWO fetishists don't value human lives and will sign your country up for a meatgrinder for even a slight economic advantage.

Ukraine trusted NATO, which saw an opportunity to weaken Russia.
Russia isn't trustworthy either, they act like madmen justifying so many casualties on both sides for a war with a country they are supposedly "liberating".

This map explains everything. U.S. and Russia fighting over Ukraine oil, now no one can get the oil because the infrastructure is gone and NATO will keep the fighting going through a ceasefire to keep it from being rebuilt (which is just the same strategy Russia was using to oust Shell and Mobile with the seperatists, same shit always).

>>513459706
>They busted ZERO chinese banks faggot shill.
https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/russia-payment-hurdles-with-china-partners-intensified-august-sources-say-2024-08-30/

It's so easy to be right. Why choose to be wrong instead?

>>513457359
>One of his first actions in office was to disband the entire branch whose job it was to sniff out Russian sanctions evasion.
That's not lifting the sanctions.
>At critical junctures (e.g. Kursk) he completely stopped sharing of even intelligence to Ukraine.
Kursk incursion lasted for months; briefly flicking some switches on and off to get Ukraine to sell the rights to their minerals doesn't hurt them much, considering it was not the lack of intelligence (unless we're talking about the intelligence of whoever greenlit the thing in the first place in which case it was indeed severely lacking) that did them in but weeks and weeks of methodical meticulous work dismantling Ukrainian logistics until digging under them in a coup that no satellite or AWACS could've forseen.
>Arms deliveries have been, at best, sporadic,
Trump tugging on the leash, again. He also now forces Europeans to cough up the dough for it. They buy stuff from USA and transfer it to Ukraine (if it makes you feel better, in some cases they buy stuff for themselves to replace the equipment they are "retiring" to Ukraine, which is more or less the same thing).
It was under Trump that Ukrainians have first started receiving stuff like Javelins before the war.
Biden admin wasn't much better, having sent a total of 31 tanks, wow.
No, Ukraine has the more impactful stuff in abundance as it is, with only exceptions being munitions that Americans themselves have in short supply e.g. Patriots.
You may also blame Bibi for having diverted toy deliveries to his little sandbox for a while. Haven't Americans expended a quarter of their total THAAD supplies shielding their best ally? Time to recuperate.
If you read the news, USA is ramping up its missile production (GMLRS, AIM-120 for NASAMs etc). Where do you think this stuff will be going?

>That, at least, is unlikely.
Of course, because he's not letting Russia win.
>Trump likes things which are purely amoral.
Morals have nothing to do with it.

TOTAL RUSSIAN FEDERATION DISSOLUTION

>>513460142
Oil doesnt explain anything because both the U.S. and Russia already have abundant oil. The entire resources angle is pure cope trying to find reason behind an invasion where there is none. Russia already has more than enough resources that it is squandering.

>>513460595
Sure it is. Sanctions are toothless without the US meaningfully enforcing them. Without targeted enforcement, it's like leaving an open cookie jar on the floor in a room full of dogs, trekking them not to eat them, and then leaving the room. It changes sanctions from crippling to manageable. As for the rest, I'm not sure I have the energy to chase down every inconsistency. I'm just going to say that I've got significant issues with your command on the facts and suggest that we're arguing from alternative epistemic frames -- yours accepts as valid inputs the output of Russian state media whereas mine does not. We're unlikely to find common ground.

>>513452700 (OP)
That sanctions only work if they are total and instant. Banning Russia from SWIFT and stealing all their Western assets only prolonged the war rather that ending it. If European countries didn’t send $100+ billion for Russian oil & gas over the course of the war there would be no war.

>>513461114
Yeah, I'm sure pedobiden's admin was doing a much better job keeping those sanctions in place, ok buddy. Orange man bad, upvotes to the left.

>>513460156
What a lying piece of shit you are.
That was the Dept of Justice
The Task Force KleptoCapture had nothing to do with it.

How can you faggots lie with zero shame?

>>513458273
If Ukraine doesn't join NATO then Russia is just going to attack again as soon as it restores its strength.

>>513461408
It absolutely, demonstrably was. The fact that you're defending Trump is decent evidence for that, in and of itself kek. I do respect saying all of this without a memeflag, at least

>>513459962
Fuck off faggot shill

The FBI had proof officials were cooperating with gang members but could not tie it directly to Madura. Then they edited that part out.

>>While the memo cuts against the claim that support for TdA is a direct policy from Maduro's regime, it does note that FBI analysts agree that "some Venezuelan government officials facilitate TDA members' migration from Venezuela to the United States and use members as proxies … to advance what they see as the Maduro regime's goal of destabilizing governments and undermining public safety in these countries."

>>513461591
>It absolutely, demonstrably was.
Citation needed. USA's never stopped been buying Russian goods.
Bypassing sanctions today via countless foreign banks and parallel import is no different today than it was 1, 2, 3 years ago. Source: I fucking live here.
> The fact that you're defending Trump
Idiot.
> I do respect saying all of this without a memeflag
Implying a memeflag is the only way of obfuscating one's location.

>>513452700 (OP)
>Wherever you kiss the hohol, there's ass
Don't deal with piggers

>>513452700 (OP)
War is fake and gay, both sides serve the same masters.

>>513461741
>The FBI had proof officials were cooperating with gang members but could not tie it directly to Madura. Then they edited that part out.
You're just making shit up now.
>>513461518
A lot of the broader intelligence community has doubts that Putin is even interested in this -- that the whole charade is built upon the idea that Russia can take advantage of the split focus to make gains sufficient to break the lines and push for its actual objectives. Under this theory, what Putin is doing is just very coldly playing the game under a gambit that within these next few months he can sufficiently manipulate Trump such that the military can accomplish further objectives on the ground -- and that he can either indefinitely manipulate Trump (not out of the question) or in the very near term make sufficient gains such that whether or not Trump ever actually realizes the game he's playing is immaterial; that his gains in the interim will be as such that Trump's natural unwillingness to take a stand will be further induced to inaction by virtue of a sense of hopelessness.

In 1,000 years, historians will have a field day with this era of the world. Very rarely has such incompetence by such a great nation been seen throughout our entire history.

War gud

Soldiers = useful idiots

are you paying attention?

I'm on your ass Mega. Tick tock.

>>513462408
>if only you knew..

>>513452839
prepare? My brother in Christ, the war has already started and has been going on for years. Russia fully mobilized into a war-time economy and you're thinking about planing an increase of funding to NATO...

>>513462661
death to the cabal

>>513462280
I linked it you massive faggot

>https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-intel-agencies-say-venezuelan-regime-doesnt-direct-tren-de-aragua-gang-undercutting-trump-admin-report

>While the memo cuts against the claim that support for TdA is a direct policy from Maduro's regime, it does note that FBI analysts agree that "some Venezuelan government officials facilitate TDA members' migration from Venezuela to the United States and use members as proxies … to advance what they see as the Maduro regime's goal of destabilizing governments and undermining public safety in these countries."

>>513456004
do you even know what nukes are?
>Maintain military equipment
yeah man i'm just done oilin up the ol ak47s, imma do the nukes next.

RIP JFK

>>513462959
So enlighten me, what cosmic lubricant only found on the 4th moon of jupiter needs to be reapplied every 3 months to avoid catastrophy? What is this this specific "maintinence" I keep hearing about when people say russian nukes don't work anymore.

Tunnel rats, your extermination is coming.

Tick tock Mega.

Russofaggots get the oblasts they want and Ukraine get's to be in NATO. Why should Ukraine give Russia land without concrete security guarantees that Russia won't chimp out again. Oh and Kalingrad has no business being Russian that goes to Poland.

>>513463503
Sweet summer child

>>513452700 (OP)
Lesson is that 80 years of geopolitical theory was fucking wrong.
Developed nations absolutely can and should fight wars of aggression to achieve their strategic aims.

That's a might fine war ya have there bucko, mind if I invest?

>>513463725
fugggggggg I forgot picrel

>>513457388
Retarded like everything AI.
The most possible scenario is not included - talks collapse, Trump withdraws most aid.
>>513463503
Hello, Kryzhischtofvh

>>513463179
How about be an adult and look it up yourself. Who even thinks like this? Do you imagine nukes are like giant piles of tnt tied to a rocket?
I honestly can't even take your question seriously so i'm sorry for not wanting to explain how to maintain and effectively use a nuclear fucking bomb to you.
To put it simply, they have a shelf life and are notoriously difficult to maintain and effectively use on the battlefield, specially if you're a backwards rump state like ukraine.

>>513452700 (OP)
Why would Russia give 2/3 of Ukraine to Europe if they never fought for it?
Russia is winning in every metric; even the die-hard /k/ucks stop pretending Ukraine had a chance.
The fact that people want to mediate a ceasefire with land concessions just proves it. I don't believe Putin will settle for anything less than the total demilitarization of Ukraine and securities to keep EU and NATO out of it

>>513463179
You are a useless cunt paid to post retarded propaganda

>Britain’s ageing Trident fleet, which costs around £3bn a year, has been beset by issues in recent years, with the UK conducting a second embarrassing test failure last year. The UK relies heavily on the US to maintain its nuclear deterrent, with weapons designed, manufactured and maintained across the Atlantic. Sir Malcolm said: “It really is necessary for Britain and France to work more closely together because if American reliability ever came into question, then Europe could be defenceless in the face of Russian aggression.”

Y'all doing war without me?

(you denial)513452700
>1PBTID slidekike thread
All two neurons just compel you retards into replying to a slide thread, right?

>>513452700 (OP)
No it's simply proof that for all of the faux progressivism of the left the world will always work the same way. The strong will rule the weak and what is yours is simply that which you can protect. It's why gun rights are the only real rights.

>>513464003
This looks like a job for me so everybody just follow me
'Cause we need a little controversy
'Cause it feels so empty without me

>>513452700 (OP)
Well depends of what will hapoen to the russian economy in the six months after deal sign/ceasefire. Shifting the fucked up economy from war production to peace production has broken the necks of many leaders. Might be a temporary handover and then 1yr later Karelia is Finish...

>>513463912
>>513463843
Yeah see in every example it just seems like normal maintinence, the UK's nukes are breaking down same as their cold war ships, tanks, and guns are all breaking down. What specific work needs to be done that makes it impossible for a country like ukraine (but possible for north korea) to maintain nukes? Be specific or you are just lying to save face.

M E G A, UPLOAD TO ME TODAY, SEND ME A KID, MEEEEEEEGA

The UK spends 3 billion a year and the last 2 nuke tests failed


>https://apnews.com/article/nuclear-weapons-missile-military-overhaul-f7ac8939a3bd3e6455b144f0cb5da528

>So workers at the nation’s nuclear labs and production sites spend a lot of time stressing and testing parts to make sure they’re safe. At the Energy Department’s Kansas City National Security Campus, where warheads are maintained and made, technicians put components through endless tests. They heat weapons parts to extreme temperatures, drop them at speeds simulating a plane crash, shoot them at high velocity out of testing guns and rattle and shake them for hours on end. The tests are meant to simulate real world scenarios — from hurtling toward a target to being carted in an Air Force truck over a long, rutty road.

>Technicians at the Los Alamos National Lab conduct similar evaluations, putting plutonium under extreme stress, heat and pressure to ensure it is stable enough to blow up as intended. Just like the technicians in Kansas City, the ones in Los Alamos closely examine the tested parts and radioactive material to see if they caused any damage.

>Further complicating matters — because the weapons are so old — many of those original manufacturers and contractors have gone out of business. That has forced the nation’s nuclear labs to reverse engineer old parts, such as a peroxide that was used to treat warhead parts, but is no longer in production. So lab technicians are working to reinvent it.

>Re-engineering parts is getting easier with advances in computer-aided design and 3D printing. Kansas City technicians are experimenting with 3D printers to create some warhead parts, such as a micro-honeycombed, rubbery layer that will serve as a cushion for a warhead radar systems.

>>513456155
That's exactly what happened in Russia in the 50s, it just led us to where we are now.

Roth's catching one too, where ya at rocky?

Where's the money lebowski?

>>513464228
Whats funny is you know you are a lying faggot but just keep lying.

>>513464214
people don't actually believe stuff like this... right?
>german
wow... you guys are so fucked. I'm sorry man.

War? Now that you mention it, sounds exhilarating.

>>513452700 (OP)
The lesson?
Conquest is expensive as fuck, and not really worth it.

>>513456669
>Elections
>In Russia
Yeah... those don't work

>>513452937
>European leaders achieved a significant short-term diplomatic success by preventing a potential unilateral deal between Trump and Putin that could have compromised Ukraine's sovereignty.
>European leaders successfully pressured Trump to commit to security guarantees for Ukraine, although the specifics remain vague.
>However, the long-term effectiveness of the meeting is uncertain, as no concrete plan for negotiations with Russia was established, and the absence of a ceasefire condition remains a major concern.
Europe fucks it up again

money printer go brrrrrrrrt

mega, where are you, I'm looking through your windows.

>>513464483
>no u
you make the claim, you prove the claim. Saying no new countries can have nukes because one rocket built in the 50s needs 50s peroxide is completely fucking absurd.

>>513457966
BASED GERM
HH 1488

>>513460840
>Russia already has more than enough resources
The oil would have been sold to the EU reducing Russia's profits. Russia is an oil company masquerading as a nation, it's a state owned industry and their largest income source. Well, now it is "Oligarch" owned but that only exchanged "communist state" with "oligarchy".

On the other side, Hunter Biden served on the board of a Ukrainian oil company, Burisma Holdings, from 2014 to 2019. Burisma specifically had the goal of "reducing reliance on imported oil from Russia". What started in 2014? Oh yeah, the separatists in the Donbas!

>Oil doesnt explain anything
lmfao you're either a shill or retarded
take a look at this map, now understand why Israel is annexing the Gaza strip.
That oil field in the Mediterranean would have given Palestine billions, leading to it becoming a recognized nation. But coincidentally the very same day they managed to secure a contract is the day Hamas began their uprising. Annexing the strip blocks Palestine from the maritime claims, this explains why the fighting is in the West Bank.

>>513452700 (OP)
Still a long way to go to pacify all of Novorossiya. I hope Zelensky rejects Putin's offer.

>>513464745
No u is the best defense, unbeatable, undefeated. Sometimes you gotta be the loser.

I'm gonna war so good tonight yall just watch.

>>513452700 (OP)
I learned my lesson about accepting russians. From now on until the day I die I will treat them as enemies and harm them as much as possible.

>>513452700 (OP)
>what would be the lesson of all this
Europe is gonna have to unfuck itself.

Aluminum tubes! War! Fight! Death! Money money money! Good goy

>>513464228
North korea developed the nukes with soviet help, they had the intent and infrastructure to maintain and use them.
Ukraine became a country over night and had no real way to use the nukes it now possessed for decades at least.
Also the reason why people call you a shill/bot is because your questions are based on your ignorance and you keep asking for random anons to educate you on nuclear weapon doctrines.
If you want to be taken seriously you need to assert a certain opinion based somewhat in reality. You can't just keep asking "explain to me why or i am right and you lose HA HA".
I really hope you're a child, i fear you are probably in your 30s or something. God help us all...

>>513464537
vpn leaf shut up. great pic though.

>>513453750
>Russians should go back to Russia
>No, not like that!
Can you leftoids please make up your mind

>>513465383
VPNs never worked for me when i tried to use them when i was in turkey.
Why the FUCK would i choose to the fucking canadian flag bro. I am swiss in canada an i pity all german people for what they have lost. Truly one of the greatest civilizations ever.
You are done fucked though brother, don't worry karelia will be finnish or something. Just keep shipping american gas overseas, you'll be fine.

Mega, we are anonymoose, expectus patronus. If I catch any of you like pedophiles, its death by broomstick up your ass. Invest in broomsticks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGy4bmG5SJw&t=2

I can't wait for Gizzy to be released.

Its me, the war expert. AMA!

>>513464745
I did
>>513464344

You are just a troon shill pretending I didnt and you think everyone is as stupid as you are

Epstein like white cunny, lauder likes brown cunny, wexner is gay, gross.

I lied previously, but now its me, the war expert.

I'm coming home, I'm coming home, tell the world that I'm coming home.

Westerners will cope. Piggies will lost. Ukraine will cease to exist. Russia will remain. Brics will rise.

>>513465364
It would have taken them a couple weeks to take control of soviet silos, ukraine was the forefront of soviet nuclear tech. Most of the missiles there were designed and built by ukranian enginners.
If it were such a simple answer you wouldn't take an entire essay of mental gymnastics to not simply say what specific maintinence makes it impossible for ukraine to maintain these weapons. You would just simply say it and then call me a retard. But you are obviously the liar here.

>>513465364
same powerful
but just one man standing strong

>you have one job

>>513452700 (OP)
if one desires to acquire guns then would it be possible as a civilian to travel to Ukraine and bribe someone to acquire guns? then how smuggle it back to one's country?

>>513452700 (OP)
I just don't see any way out of this in the foreseeable future.
Ukraine can't sell the idea of giving up territory for peace. They made russia too much of a villain to just sit at a table and make deals now.
EU wants blood, they have too much invested in ukraine and somehow they are not willing to budge.
US doesn't even see this as their war. It's all the fault of the previous administration. They'll do anything to push their vassals to drop this but it seems like it's tougher then they imagined.
Russia is happy to just keep pounding. They're winning on the battlefield and they don't "need" a peace deal, they need security. From their perspective this was inevitable ever since bush turned down putins offer to joing nato back in the 2000s.
I hope for peace but it seems like they're just gonna have to fight it out.

>>513466589
>doesn't have arms dealers on speed dial
ngmi

>>513452700 (OP)
>what would be the lesson of all this?
Gore posters won

>>513452700 (OP)
What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word,
As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee:
Have at thee, coward!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux2FgZizcrc

>>513452700 (OP)
If this happens Russia is going to pour money into these regions like there's no tomorrow, and they will become creme de la creme like chechnya now. Then zoomer hohols from the remaining regions are going to look at them and then back to their blackrock-owned repopulated with jeets husk of a country, and something is going to happen again.

>>513452830
If we’re going to apply your logic that means the Turks have the rightful clay in Crete and the entire Thrace while Macedonias have the rightful clay in the entire Macedonian province and thesally plus the Albanians have the rightful clay in the Ionian islands and the rest of Epirus. So fucking stay your lane my ancestors is the reason why you exist and aren’t you supposed to be paying back those kraut gibs

>>513466565
Then you're right. Ukraine was the worlds greatest nuclear power and they just... gave it all up.
They were so dumb, gullible, stupid and worthless that they just gave it all up for nothing.
Wow, ukrainians were even stupider then i thought, thanks for the making me realize slavs are truly the untermenschen. Thanks!

>>513452700 (OP)
>......what would be the lesson of all this?
Don't meddle with buffer zones, which was the case with the entirety of Ukraine. It was supposed to stay neutral separation between NATO and Russia, but the West was subverting it's politics and extending its influence over Ukraine. The only lesson is FAFO, and wh*tes will die in pointless wars

Where is my invite?

>>513452839
>and that a new massive military build up of Europe/Ukraine are needed, to prepare for the big war.
Which there's NO support for in Europe. The People of Europe are at their wits end over mass immigration and are more liable to help the Russians topple the Euro 'elite' rather than help them.

>>513452700 (OP)
>what would be the lesson of all this?
The lesson for Russia is they should have invaded in 2014 before Ukraine started thinking of itself as European. For NATO the lesson is you can use slavs as meat shields against Russia.

wait, no, hold up, it is me, the war experts

>>513467131
Literally was my entire point, you got so butthurt over just the imagined possibility of russia not getting crimea LMAO i don't give a shit about ukraine my whole point was how fucking stupid they were to listen to us and russia.

>>513466589
it should be much easier to get black market guns where you live. International arms trafficking is the kind of thing you either know about or you don't.

ravioli, ravioli, give me the formuoli

>>513452700 (OP)
>In a hypothetical scenario If the cease-fire became reality and russia accept it and take theses zones and the USA-EU create a safe buffer zone, and this retarded shit end up like this......what would be the lesson of all this?
That invading to conquer works, and Taiwan is next. Or Palestine. Or Venezuela starting shit.
All of which will make USA spend more, and regret not helping Ukraine.

Hello darkness my old friend
p.s. I'm coming for you mega, sleep tight, reap tight.

>>513452830
Europa Universalis ass logic.
Greece owned Crimea earlier and longer than Russia lmao
Bulgaria owned it before Russia existed and before slavs could write

Shit the fuck up with "natural claims", that's vidya kiddie logic

Bread has never taste so good. The circus, never been more entertaining. I'll go back for 2nds please! I sure do love that Betty Boop.

>>513467317
Yep, you're too clever for me. Ukranians are so stupid and dumb that they don't even deserve to exist. All should've been just a part of russia. I agree with that for sure.
The world is so simple, thanks for educating me by constantly repeating a question about a topic you don't even know about.
It would be so easy to just say "this is a troll, this is a shill". I believe it's worse than that, this is just an average american... grim.
>heh, you just proved with your reply how right i am. Get owned!
y... yeah... sure buddy. You owned everyone in this thread...

>>513467588
Pigga, it's not about the clay per se, it's about cities, people and infrastructure, which all had been created by Russia and no one else.

y'all catch the niggerball game last night? That silly nigger #4 done run him 100 ft and catch da pigskin, he done good.

>>513467588
It was too long ago, they lost their cores and claims now. Russia still has active cores in ukraine. They just gotta spam more cannons so they can siege down these stupid castles quicker.

I'm somewhat a war expert myself.

>>513467713
If you knew more about it than me you'd be able to answer my question. Would've taken a lot less time than frothing at the mouth and sperging out like this.

War makes me harder than a diamond in a rubber fsctory, after all I play with my little green army men every Sunday.

>>513467756
This is, of course, why you will abandon Königsberg, right?
Also I like how USSR is Russia when it comes to building shit, but of course its not Russia and its an evil foreign force that conquered poor Russia when it comes to its crimes.

Reminder Ukraine was a member of the USSR, and the Ukrainian soviet republic built shit, not "Russia".

>>513452700 (OP)
The lesson is that the strong do what they want and the weak suffer what they must. Nature has been teaching this same lesson for at least 4 000 000 000 years now.

>>513467469
Aaah the domino effect. Like how china was going to conquer vietnam. And russia was going to conquer afganistan.
Conquest is hard, consolidation even harder. The world is not a videogame, turkish vassal. You would have to be mentally handicapped to believe china will invade taiwan and have an open war with the US.
But i know without your turkish masters you can't think too well, i accept your apology.

Wait a darn minute, y'all have a war going on?

>>513452700 (OP)
the ceasefire is a ruse, the US does not plan to stop the aggression against Russia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fwXBgu6Z5I

>>513452700 (OP)
that area can be bought for a prize, and that Russia is willing to pay for it.

>>513468144
>Like how china was going to conquer vietnam. And russia was going to conquer afganistan.
China did invade Vietnam.
USSR did invade Afghanistan.
What's your point?

My work here is done, the cookie is crumbled as we say in the biz. I'll leave you all with this cutie. Wouldn't she look nice in my sex dungeon? Auf Wiedersehen!

>>513452700 (OP)
The Deal
Putin gives up Luhansk
Keeps the rest that most Ukrainians are willing to accept.
Peace

>>513468287
>doesn't attach picrel again
fugggggggggg

>>513468254
yes i meant they didn't conquer it. They didn't consolidate their power over the regions. And eventually lost terribly.
The point is that domino theory is proven to be false.
Just in case you didn't know, china and russia lost those wars.

>>513452700 (OP)
>.what would be the lesson of all this?
Ukraine brought this on themselves by being all ornery and stubborn. They could have avoided his whole mess if only they had been more neighborly with Russia, like Belarus is.
Now they have to lose like half their land to make a buffer zone to prevent them from antagonizing the Russians.

>>513452939
What? They already won the war lmao. Europe is even going to end up buying their energy again.

>>513452830
So does Poland to Western Ukraine. But we don't do it, because why would we? That whole war is retarded. Russia should have been a superpower on par with USA, if it was governed by competent people

>>513468359
>the theory predicts these war will happen
>the wars happened
>but thanks to our reaction to them, they were unsuccessful
>therefore the theory is wrong and we shouldn't worry
????

What you are saying is basically:
>if i bandage my wound, i won't bleed to death
>therefore my wouldn't won't cause me to bleed to death
>therefore there's no need for me to bandage it, since its harmless

You might be retarded.

>>513468091
>Reminder Ukraine was a member of the USSR, and the Ukrainian soviet republic built shit, not "Russia".
Same as our commie nostalgists - "Everything was built because of Russia."

>>513468487
>But we don't do it, because why would we?
Lwów is basically polish already, the Ukrainian (((language))) is just Cyrillic Polish, also western ukr is more open to homosexuality

>>513456395
Go smoke some more crack, Hunter. Seriously.

>>513468222
International politics don't work like this. US can bully and assassinate weaker countries. They will never risk crossing that line with another superpower like china and russia. Even if US could get away with it, it sets a terrible precedence.
This US administration has stated countless times about the emerging "Multipolar World". US can no longer invade and destroy any country in the world without blowback. It's been 20+ years since the invasion of iraq, you would be doing the same mistake as all the generals did in WW1 if you think nothing has changed since then.

>>513468091
USSR == Russia even legally, no idea what crimes are you oinking about.
And the Ukraine was different entity from just another Russian region only on paper - they haven't had any separate budget to build anything themselves, and everything there was built by Moscow.
As for Konigsberg - Russia would eagerly trade it for the remains of the Ukraine.

>>513468501
But USA lost afganistan and vietnam. Most people agree those wars were pointless.
The theory asserted that those countries would invade and OCCUPY (please ready what i'm writing) those countries, which would further risk other countries in the region like indonesia and india.
This was proven to be false because the chinese lost against the communist vietnam government without internention. Because like i said conquest is hard.
The theory claimS russia would have annexed afganistan, not withdraw in humiliation and never try it again.
War is a game of resource management, not a videogame where you "win" because you initiated a war. Most political scholars agree that the domino theory is false, you can listen to countless lectures from mearsheimer or other prominent political scientists if you want to educate yourself on the topic.

>>513456395
Please seriously kill yourself

>>513467058
The Turks don't have a majority in Crete, your point is flawed, fitting for a far western savage

>>513468759
>is
was
it's 98% hohols now
maybe some day people will grow up to respect the borders and human life

>>513468487
You don't do it cause you can't, they do it cause they must. This is their backyard, their HOME, of course they are gonna take what's theirs

>>513467588
Europa Universalis has it right about one thing, it's easy to make a core when the population is of YOUR kin, and guess what Ukraine is to Russia? A regionalist obstacle, a FYROM to your Bulgaria, a threat to unity

>>513452700 (OP)
The sitting back when Russia took the Krim is why everything escalated. If you are NATO, EU or VS act, there is no reason trying to fix it later on.

>>513452830
Nope. Time to go back to history class.

War? Never heard of it before.

>>513470903
And learn what, about Kievan Russia?

>>513470871
This. The EU and USA acted impotently in 2014. Everyone just wanted to continue with business as usual. Even today a lot of people are like "maybe if we give this expansionist dictator some lands everything will go back to normal". Fucking retards.

>>513470985
If modern Russia is Kievan Rus then modern Macedonia is Alexander's Macedonia. Simple as.

>>513471212
And why is that, were Kievans back then from Mars? Were they Spanish maybe?

>>513452937
Faggot

>>513452839
Russia has made a much greater scientific and cultural contribution to Europe than many EU countries.

>>513471212
>Kievan Rus
There has never been such a country. Just as there has never been a Byzantine Empire. Study harder.

>>513452700 (OP)
This war wont end until Kharkov is taken by Russia. The Ukes should admit that that’s the reality and cede most of the territory east of the dnieper

>>513466589
Obviously it's possible, just look up the origin of the grenades and AKs that Somalians are killing each other with in Sweden

>>513452700 (OP)
The lesson is to not poke the USA. They always benefit on all the wars they were involved it, whether the side they support wins or loses.

>>513452700 (OP)
Land conquest is back and nukes are the only sure protection. Also America is an unreliable ally which means NATO is basically dead

>>513471212
also Romania is Roman Empire

>>513470071
no, there's not any will in Polish nation to reclaim this shit. The "can" or "can't" is a secondary matter.
and easter ukraine isn't russian home. the numbers are roughly equal between hohols and rusniggers. rusniggers knew perfectly well what they were doing when instigating separatist movments.

>>513452700 (OP)
relocate displaced ukranians to syria?
we kinda took that from russia

>>513473939
Ukrainian is a legal fiction, like talking about Germans and Austrians, or Germans and Franconians. Russia is a state for All Russias, and that includes the Ukraine, the Borderlands as they call it. The same situation we have with Cyprus, they have with Ukraine, don't mistake probability for possibility, if Poland wanted they could turn around one day and say this is our land, we must have it back. And for every motherfucker that wanted to stop with Silesia and, there will be one in the future that will want Brandenburg too, mankind spreads and so do claims

>>513474290
>Ukrainian is a legal fiction,
except it's not
Hohols were stirring shit with Poles and Rusniggers for centuries. They do have their national identity and butthurt and in the end they should have a piece of claim to contain it, because they're savage bastards willing to kill women and children in gruesome way over it. I would rather prefer if it was further towards the moscow, but the powers that be decided to give them Polish clay after ww2. And Ruskies decided they want to chip in and now they want it back, because they're faggots
Which would happen to Kaliningrad as well and that's why no one wanted it, in the 90s


You're just regurgitating rusnigger propaganda

>>513474785
piece of clay

>>513465970
I was going to ask WHAT EXPERTS, but nevermind, we found him.

The lesson was not learned by US or Russia, it's mutual enemies will destroy them both.

All of the peaces to destroy US are set in place and are not being triggered because out waiting Trump and others... Russia the same, they should have take Odessa for their sake and the sake of US.


Anyway, I won't go into the details I'd need to write three books to explain it all and why, labs and nukes is how it ends, false peace.

I'll add this, US should have Never taken the trap aka shortcuts, so it's done.

>>513474785
>Hohols were stirring shit with Poles and Rusniggers for centuries
And how did they do that, under what state, under what king?
They have their national identity like Belarusians do, a regionalist culture, a Ukraine wants a weak Russia, but a Russia needs a strong Ukraine, because it plans on having it, and useless is the house you buy and leave a ruin. Russia is a pan-nationalist entity uniting its home turf, if Germany was trying to integrate Austria you'd be backing the latter up, but they wouldn't back you when they get the whiff of Imperial unity. This is history, no amount of paper can erase clan and kin, the war will continue on until Russia gets back what it wants, and then they'll talk loftier ambitions

>>513475053
>All of the peaces to destroy US are set in place and are not being triggered because out waiting Trump and others... Russia the same, they should have take Odessa for their sake and the sake of US
What language do you really speak.

>>513461518
Which is very obvious to anyone with knowledge of game theory. Putin would be a retard to accept any deal that involves having the Eu/America in Ukraine. These peace negotiations are a complete farce and are likely just postering on Trump’s end so he can wipe his hands clean from Ukraine/Russia and say he tried his best. Either that, or the EU is desperate to paint Putin as a bloodthirsty tyrant who can’t be reasoned with so they can have a casus beli to attack. It’s all fake and gay, basically

>>513456052
Underrated post.

>>513458544
Kek. Accurate.

>>513452700 (OP)
>in a hypothetical scenario
Das rayciss

>>513468287
no one cares about your cryptic faggy /x/-tier posting

>>513458821
Based leaf.

>>513459400
Can you enforce your claims?

>>513458821
This guy is right, for every stumble Russia gets in this war against the world, they learn something too. European states can play the tired old feudalism of he-said she-said, but if there is no America there is no victory, Russians are willing to cut their nose off to spite us, but all we've been doing is monkey-branching for the most comfortable living. The more you hate Russia, the more you empower them to act like motherfucking school shooters and keep going

>>513470226
I’m so tired of this out of context quote.

>>513452839
ok have fun with that. We wont be providing any support or weapons. Im sure your combined 300 obsolete nukes will do great

>>513454245
>it was an integral part of Russia
Nationalist movements have been around in Ukraine since at least the 1700s. People born there don't care which empire is currently laying claim to their land. Only russians, browns, faggots and kikes with an amoral bootlicker mentality support russia. It's as simple as that.

>>513464900
The money they would lose from ukraine competing in oil sales is completely irrelevant compared to the money they are spending on the war so financially your argument makes zero sense