Thread 513456894

>>513456894 (OP)
Fuck THE Ukraine

And fuck KEE-ev

Why the fuck would trump give back land to a fake country that lost it during the Obama administration?
Very odd thinking from jewlinsky

>>513457057
Doesn’t matter, he literally can’t. Russia can do what it wants and America can’t do anything about it

>>513456894 (OP)
unironically a good move
Ukraine knows that Trump needs some way to end this war because a) he promised to do it, b) he knows he might get a nobel peace prize if he brokers the deal, and c) he needs something to distract from the epstein files
they're coming to the table strong with a deal that's totally unreasonable. If they hold out, they can probably get NATO membership in exchange for what's been captured in the donbas and luhansk.

Russia took Crimea way back during the Obama administration. The Russia kicked Ukraine’s ass in this current war, taking Donbas and whatever. Now Ukraine is ready to surrender but only under the condition that they are made the winners… TF?

>>513457334
> Now Ukraine is ready to surrender

>>513457764
>one more heckin reddit post and zelensky will be marching on Moscow

>>513457334
>The Russia kicked Ukraine’s ass in this current war
russia didn't kick anyone's ass, they were so fucking retarded that their "special military operation" got stuck in the mud doing trench warfare against effectively the most backwater nation in europe
they spent a month building up shit at their border, spooking all of europe, then sent like 20 helicopters armed with unguided rockets to try to take hostomel and almost all of the VDV aboard were almost immediately killed upon getting to their destination

uhg in fucking SHAMBLES

>>513456894 (OP)
jews rushing an end to this for their Gaza takeover, can’t ride two horses with one ass sugarbean

>>513457138
>America can't do anything about it

We could just give more weapons to Ukraine? Russia hasn't been doing too good.

>>513458080
nope those need to go to israel goy sorry

Putin traded Palestine and Iran for Ukraine. Now they will remove all people from Palestine and resettle them.

>>513456894 (OP)
> Something that happened a decade ago
> Something every administration has said since.

Thanks for the the breaking news, retard.

>>513457764
Zelenskike is trying to placate the NAFO tranny fanboys so they don't do a mass suicide when it becomes official that Ukraine has lost the war.

He is saying one thing, but everyone over 80 IQ knows that the only way this is going to end is Ukraine surrendering the already captured regions.

>>513457896
>the most backwater nation in Europe
Ukraine unironically has the strongest army in Europe besides Russia. I'm pretty sure more Ukrainian soldiers have DIED in this war than there are soldiers in some of the armies in major European countries.

>>513457334
>The Russia kicked Ukraine’s ass in this current war, taking Donbas and whatever
This board is so contrarian they will pretend that Russia has not been conducting the most disastrous military operation in modern history

>>513458122
Pretending to care about a bunch of muslims who don't integrate anywhere or contribute anything to western society is the biggest meme ever

>>513457310
>they can probably get NATO membership

No, they won't. That was the entire reason Putin attacked in the first place. This is the one sticking issue that Putin will not budge on.

>>513458080
>We could just give more weapons to Ukraine?
Why would doing more of the same thing magically produce different results?

>>513458197
Largest infantry count does not equal strongest army. Their air force is a joke.
If either Ukraine or Russia ever fought with a country with a real air force (ie. a NATO country), they would get destroyed.

>>513458199
That would be Afghanistan elgin fag

>>513456894 (OP)
Ukraine joining NATO is impossible*

*during wartime

>>513456894 (OP)
So Jews taking over Gaza is legitimate too, Mr Brumpf?

>>513456894 (OP)
Zelensky didn't help himself at all yesterday. He wasn't going to get Crimea or NATO no matter what, but now the US will not support any possible concessions of any kind in return for that.

He seems to think there's some secret, powerful cabal in the US that will sweep in at the last minute and throw all the resources of the US behind Ukraine and against Russia. He needs to lay off the fucking drugs. Or get back on them. Or something.

>>513458361
Pretty sure russian invasion in Ukraine was way more disastrous than whatever they did in Afghanistan back then

>>513458361
Okay, Russia getting destroyed in Afghanistan was pretty hilarious too, but their Ukraine performance is even worse.
Even though they will barely manage to reach their goals in Ukraine, this war is still the military equivalent of the Paralympics.

>>513458197
>Ukraine unironically has the strongest army in Europe besides Russia
could be
my main point is that Russia is supposed to be the third major power in the triumvirate of NATO-China-Russia, all of whom maintain a tense detente because each can deal a mortal blow to another
it's now pretty clear that avoidance of conflict with russia is not a tremendous mortal imperative but just kind of more trouble than it's worth
>>513458237
>That was the entire reason Putin attacked in the first place
no it wasn't, putin attacked to "denazify" the DPR and LPR on the justification that "there are ethnic russians there who want above all else to join russia, and ukrainian nazis are genociding them"
it was framed as a humanitarian peacekeeping mission
>>513458471
>but now the US will not support any possible concessions of any kind in return for that
except they will, because Trump wants the war to end
this is the "big ask"
Russia came in with the ENTIRE donetsk and luhansk regions, which is fucking huge. this will probably end with the conflict frozen and the currently captured territories given to russia with ukraine joining NATO or with a military agreement that the US has a base there

>>513458504
>>513458542
Chechnya I was pretty fucking hilarious too and seemed to be the genesis of "buttfucking friendly troops while getting blown up by partisans"

>>513456894 (OP)
Do you think Ukraine now finally regrets invading Russia?

>>513458335
Air force and army are two different things.
We're talking about army.
The point is that shills always try to downplay the military strength of Ukraine and pretend that billions dollars weren't spent to train and build them up prior to the war, acting as if Ukrainian is the equivalent of Romania or something. It's ridiculous propaganda.

>>513458361
Yeah, I remember when we took years to take apart Afghanistan and eventually were leading charges with fucking scooters and motorcycles, this board is delusional as fuck

>>513458235
but enough about kikes

>>513458715
>my main point is that Russia is supposed to be the third major power in the triumvirate of NATO-China-Russia, all of whom maintain a tense detente because each can deal a mortal blow to another

That hasn't changed unless you're dumb enough to believe the "Russian nuclear weapons don't work" propaganda.

>>513458875
Most of the soldiers and officers trained by NATO died in the first year of the war.
Ukraine is pretty much back to Soviet tactics at this point. That's one of the reasons why Russian gains accelerated in the last 12 months.

>>513458986
If they had nuke they would have used them by now. Ergo they don't.

>>513458903
Maybe not scooters and motorcycles, but I remember when our soldiers were leading donkeys around up in the mountains.

>>513458276
Attrition.
Though Russia has more men and even more weapons, so it's hopeless either way.

>>513458237
>That was the entire reason Putin attacked in the first place.
You are correct but not in the way you think you are.

>>513458471
> He seems to think there's some secret, powerful cabal in the US that will sweep in at the last minute and throw all the resources of the US behind Ukraine and against Russia
who does he think he is?
netanyahu?

>>513458276
We could allow strikes on population center

>>513456894 (OP)
Ukraine chose war the second they said they were joining NATO when the one single ultimatum Putin gave was that they don't join. They lost much of their lands and a tragic amount of lives. Now they have to reap what they've sewn.

You lost, Ukraine trannies.

>>513459339
The initial reason for the attack was about muh nazis tho so russia would have attacked either way. Why shouldn't ukraine have tried to join NATO when they had feral huns at their door?

>>513458276
lol the US and the EU gave them jackshit

>>513459339
>Ukraine chose war the second they said they were joining NATO
Uh I thought the war started in 2014?
Also they were right to ask for protection after that.

>>513459105
There was no point where we ran out of vehicles because they all blew up, and had to use donkeys instead

>>513456894 (OP)
Lol
Lmao even

>>513459051
That narrative doesn't make any sense.Who exactly is supposedly training Ukraine's soldiers and officers other than NATO, NATO advisors, and Ukrainians trained by NATO?

>Ukraine is pretty much back to Soviet tactics at this point.
Ukraine is back to "Soviet tactics" (they're not, they're pioneering entirely new approaches to modern warfare) because the NATO model of warfare is detached from reality and doesn't actually function in a true high intensity attrition environment where the enemy can actually destroy your equipment.

>>513458986
>That hasn't changed unless you're dumb enough to believe the "Russian nuclear weapons don't work" propaganda.
I'm sure russia has functional nukes in their stockpile
functional current-gen tanks, APCs, air defense, fighters? I don't think so.
>>513459339
>when the one single ultimatum Putin gave was that they don't join
why does an independent country have to independently limit itself from joining a group of other nations just because some other retard says so?

>>513459237
How did terror bombing work for breaking enemy moral in WW2?

>>513456894 (OP)
>No return of Crimea
Why would Russia ever give back l and it's had for almost a decade now? Is Ukraine retarded?

>>513459644
There was not point were we fought mujihadeen armed with fpv drones either.

also
>BREAKING: Trump says UK, France, Germany may send troops as peace guarantee, rules out US troops on the ground
:^)

>>513458715
I doubt there'll be a US base in Ukraine. Under Biden or Obama, yeah, the US might have been stupid enough to try that. Russia will not accept Ukraine membership in NATO. They have repeatedly stated that they consider that to be an existential threat and will go to war over it. They may accept some other security arrangement to get the deal done, but without any Article 5-type protections for Ukraine.

You're right. The eastern provinces are a windfall for Russia. It basically leaves Ukraine as an agrarian society and raw materials mine for the West, and makes a major contribution to Russia's industrial base.

>>513458276
We don't have to give them the same thing. They're talking about giving tomahawks, for instance. Then, and new set of strategic targets open up. Russia can't stop fiber optic drones, so we could give them a couple of billion dollars worth of those. Give them more aircraft. give them more everything. They don't hardly even use ATACMS any more, because they don't have them. We could flood them with those. Russia's only taken an additional 1% off Ukraine. And look at all off their deaths. We could grind them down to nothing. They can't ever take Ukraine. Bog them down and flood Ukraine with enough missiles to destroy every oil refinery in Russia. We are not even close to being in a war economy. Russia is, and is maxed out. We could turn the screws.

>>513458364
They'll join next democrat presidency.

>>513461520
There was another exchange of bodies today. 19 Russians for 1000 Ukrainians. But keep posting your memeflag fantasies. By the way, the EU has already ran through their entire supply of Storm Shadows. The US has only 6000 ATACMS, half of which aren't even owned by the US military, and half of the other half are in Asia-Pacific region. Ukraine has received hundreds, which is about as much as the US can spare before supplies run too low. You talk about giving them more of everything as if any of that stuff exists. NATO has already emptied out everything they have. The US has lost 75% of its entire Stinger stockpile, 50% of it's M777 howitzers, 50% of its entire stockpile of Javelins. The entire global 155mm shell stockpile has ran out. Germany has no Marders left, no Leopard 2's. The UK has sent and lost all of their AS-90 self-propelled howitzers. Eastern bloc countries have no more airforce (all sent to Ukraine and lost). Most Patriots are now gone, all IRIS-T's are gone. Poland lost its entire pre-war tank force of modernized T-72's. Even US THAAD supplies fell by 33% since the Iran conflict.