Thread 513458519

https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1957522715864150362

Finnish President @alexstubb: "I think in the past two weeks, we've probably had more progress in ending this war than we have in the past three and a half years."

>>513458519 (OP)
I still haven't heard what's come of these talks other than increased US spending, prolonging the war. I thought the war was going to end?

Trump and this nigga touched weiners on the golf course but it was by a mistake but they liked it
So now his job is to keep trump stroked

Nobel prize for kickboxing when !!1

>good job!
Kek like a teacher to a kid that got an answer right
Its amazing how Eurocattle at being mogged by a fat old pedo at every opportune Moment.
You can't imagine talking to Putin like that...

>>513458588
Putin stopped demanding 4 regions, Zelensky stopped screeching about never giving up territory, the US + Europe planned security guarantees after the war. Only TDS victims don't see that Trumps making progress.

>>513458777
Not gonna lie, former Trump voter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Democrats crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let Trump get the nuclear codes.

>>513458777
Putin is still demanding those regions buddy

>>513458777
>Zelensky stopped screeching about never giving up territory
I see no evidence of this whatsoever.

>>513458519 (OP)
TWO WEEKS

>>513458777
He's simply not asking for more territory he doesn't hold.
The negotiation will start with the current lines.

Bit early to start giving each other celebatory handjobs

>>513458925
Why did you get deported to Spain?

>>513458777
checked
>everyone can see it
don't undersell it
you watched half an hour of footage at 2x speed and spent a moment thinking about it
in the real world that makes you a "superpredictor" and maybe even a "senior political analyst"

>>513458993
He didn't say he agrees to give up territory but he is not explicitly opposing it like before.

>>513458969
No

>>513459383
>Westoids make up shit
>This is now true
Okay retard

>>513458519 (OP)
Have they though? Zelensky still disagrees with giving up territory and begs for security guarantees and Russia is not budging from their position at all either, yeah maybe we are closer to one army losing but diplomatically I dont see it, maybe there is something going on in private then

>>513458519 (OP)
Not holding my breath.
>>513459383
He said it last week. Probably said it yesterday too. Trump isn't yelling about it for some reason so you haven't heard about it. Probably because he's a pedophile.

>>513459534
Absolutely mental. Pro-Ukrainians just refuse to engage with reality. At first I thought people like you are trolling.

>>513459787
He didn't say it yesterday. He said they'd discuss it with Putin but he didn't say no.

>>513459547
It's part of the charm offensive against Trump. Keep sucking his dick so he doesn't abandon you. Ironically, the fact they all went down to flatter him does more to keep Trump engaged without blowing up the western alliance. So in a way, he's right. Vance wasn't even in the room this time.

>>513459880
He said 2 days ago the constitution forbids ceding land, and that it's impossible. I don't know what was said at the meeting but this position hasn't changed in 4 years.

>>513459933
Checked, very well could be, modern politics is so gay

>>513460031
> 2 days ago
> said something to boost the morale of his own side
This at most means he won't legally recognise new Russian borders. It can also mean nothing.

> Ending this war

If they wanted to end it they wouldnt have sabotaged Istanbul. Anglokikes want this war, it wont end anytime soon. Trumo can use as many superlatives as he wants, as he usually does but it wont amount to anything more than some retarded tweets. Thank you for your attention to this matter

>>513460411
Stop saying things that make Trump look bad tranny

>>513460031
The constitution also forbids cancelling elections and calling yourself "president". Funny that.

>>513460700
Show me a single statement from Zelensky since Trump-Putin meeting in Alaska where Ze said he won't withdraw from Donbass. Such statement doesnt exist. This is a progress. Please type "thank you Donald Trump, for making peace possible"

>>513460411
Ok, but it contradicts what you said. That's my point.

>>513460957
>Such statement doesnt exist. This is a progress.
hmmmm

>>513460742

We have very different system than muricans or yours....Practically our parliament has most of power....President can delay laws what he won't approve but not fully stop them.

Our president is like that star on front of Mercedes....shiny and mostly useless.

>>513459933
>Vance wasn't even in the room this time
Vance was under the table giving them all blowjobs

>>513458519 (OP)
Trump is getting played like a fiddle. He should get the Old Fiddler Award.

>>513461146
this may be wasted on you, but I'll try.
have you noticed how repetitive national leaders are?
that's because they are legally obligated to assert their country's position.
"State silence may entail acquiescence and can thus contribute to the formation of historic rights, the identification of customary international law, and the interpretation of treaties over time."
someone who listens to national leaders before, during, and after the alaska and D.C. conferences can make predictions based on how their nauseatingly repetitive statements, which we've heard a million times already, evolve over time. that includes the absence of those statements. in this case it means avoiding questions when just last week zelensky would been obligated to say some version of "we will not, and in fact legally cannot, transfer land."
the overton window is shifting. learn to see it. or if you're too lazy to watch the primary sources, learn to identify others who can see it by the verisimilitude of their posts.

>>513458588
Nothing, the demands of both sides remain the same. Since the beginning of the war, there has been no rapprochement or significant concessions. Trump has obtained nothing from Putin or Zelensky, only promises on minor issues. Both sides don't want to anger him by being seen as an obstacle, so they pretend to grant him minor concessions while accusing the other side of sabotaging the peace.

>>513458969
Then this is next
https://files.catbox.moe/dm99i3.mp4
If he defies Trump. And that is exactly what was always going to happen (God willing).

>>513462013
Nah it changed. Putin now officially wants donbass only while Zelensky is okay with losing the territories in exchange of guarantees.
We now know that russians are pretty much fucked and can't reclaim donbass.

>>513461900
>this may be wasted on you, but I'll try.
>have you noticed how repetitive national leaders are?
>that's because they are legally obligated to assert their country's position.
Yes, that's obvious. You are wasting everyone's time.
Zelensky's exact quote is "The question of territory is a question that we will leave between me and Putin."
All that reveals is he's learned not to tall about territory with Trump. It doesn't change anything else. You can choose to read into it, but you're guessing.
When Bibi said he wanted a peace deal 2 years ago, did it matter? Or did it just keep him stocked with American weapons. If you want to talk about learning international politics, you can start by noticing our role is first and foremost as an arms dealer. Everything else, all the nice public diplomacy and joking around with Trump, is anchored to that.

>>513462013
>no rapprochement or significant concessions
you're not paying attention

euro leaders have downgraded from NATO integration complete with bases and missile sites, to "article 5-like guarantees" which is means an optional defense pact.
they conceded to negotiations without a ceasefire first.
they downgraded their approach to land swaps from "absolutely no" to silence.
russia has conceded to them signing the optional defense pact.
russia has conceded its demand for regime change and constitutional changes.
these are only the significant changes from last week. there have been many concessions of lesser significance by both sides.
if you're not going to pay attention to events, don't pretend you have knowledge to share.

>>513462684
>"The question of territory is a question that we will leave between me and Putin."
Does it look like "no" to you? Because it doesn't look like "no"

Yeah, running out of ammo changes things fast.

>>513462784
Exactly, like, I feel this peace process reduced the amount of zshills on /pol/, now intelligent anons here arent completely overcrowded.

>>513458969
The "Finnish" flag is a Ukrainian refugee who is obviously consuming Ukrainian pundits. The only way to make sense is to go to the primary sources, actual statements, and just ignore the "analysis" by various hopelessly biased talking heads.

>>513462684
>Yes, that's obvious
>but you can't read into it [it's obvious, predictable meaning], you're just guessing
my effort was wasted on you
perhaps you should ask questions instead of expressing your confusion as an attempt to teach.
>When Bibi said he wanted a peace deal 2 years ago, did it matter?
that statement does not implicate an assertion of national rights, where silence would be interpreted as acquiescence.
in contrast, it's highly significant that zelensky has switched from saying "I will not, and legally cannot, discuss territory" to "I can, and will, discuss territory with russia"
he even leapt over two or three intervening positions on the way there
as you get better at spotting statements that are actually assertions and reservations of national rights, you'll amaze your friends and colleagues with your predictions

>>513462966
Everything else he says is no. The last time he said no in front of Trump he lost a week of missiles. Let's use our context, comrade.

>>513463316
>in contrast, it's highly significant that zelensky has switched from saying "I will not, and legally cannot, discuss territory" to "I can, and will, discuss territory with russia
Here's the problem with that statement. We have at least as much reason to believe Zelensky would say this for the express diplomatic purpose of appeasing Trump in the meeting yesterday as we do anything else. And you're not considering the layers of Ukrainian politics that would have to change to approve that. All you have is one example of Zelensky saying the right thing to continue receiving military aid. If it starts a trend, then you can begin making judgments. You are jumping the gun.

>>513463916
ah, so you do understand, trump has forced the euros to start being reasonable and changing some of their nos.
now combine that with what you just learned about the legal implications of asserting and reserving national positions:
>State silence may entail acquiescence and can thus contribute to the formation of historic rights, the identification of customary international law, and the interpretation of treaties over time.

>>513458519 (OP)
Fucking clown show.

>>513458519 (OP)
He's right. Trump isn't smart enough to solve the puzzle, but he's the first westoid leader with sufficient intelligence to at least try. All the others, Starmer and Macron and Merz and all those, just keep screeching at Russia like a horde of scared macaques. These creatures are so stupid they believe their own press releases.

>>513458519 (OP)
So the outcome is that Russia wins.

How many people have died over this stupid jew conceit?

>>513464639
those you mentioned tried already 3 years ago and ever since
and trump proposed no reasonable solution to end the war

>>513464129
>Here's the problem with that statement. We have at least as much reason to believe Zelensky would say this for the express diplomatic purpose of appeasing Trump in the meeting yesterday as we do anything else.
I would add: it is an official statement on a matter that clearly implicates asserting or reserving national rights.
last week and pretty much since 2014, that statement was something else entirely.
recall that "State silence may entail acquiescence and can thus contribute to the formation of historic rights, the identification of customary international law, and the interpretation of treaties over time."
I can help you verify this assertion, if you'd only ask questions. should I preemptively give you arguments from historical example, or arguments from international legal experts? if you don't want to learn how to make better predictions
> And you're not considering the layers of Ukrainian politics that would have to change to approve that.
of course I am. you didn't ask, though. it's a simple amendment of whatever ukrainians call their basic law, which I'm 100% confidence the president's parliamentary coalition can do. I am observing the process of them selling their MPs and constituents on it right now. feel free to ask me what I've observed in that regard, and I'll forgive your stupid assertion that I haven't had time to consider the constitutional implications of various outcomes in the last 14 years.

>>513464824
at the time, both sides preferred fighting
you cannot have a war otherwise

>>513465065
not true macron tried negotiations since the start of SMO and french corpo kept doing business in russia
AND GO ON TELL US HOW IS TRUMP GOING TO END THE WAR

>>513465326
>macron tried negotiations since the start of SMO
correct
but both sides preferred fighting, instead of accepting the others' demands.
you cannot have a war otherwise.
>GO ON TELL US HOW IS TRUMP GOING TO END THE WAR
I listed the concessions both sides are making here >>513462784
according to them all it is because of trump "breaking the deadlock" (mark rutte) and various versions of that same statement. the deadlock in question was the parties failing to make concessions.

>>513464824
Nobody invited you to the discussion, NAFO clown. Go back.

>>513458588
euronigger leaders get to grandstand on the world stage to distract for woggeddon going on back at home.

>>513465784
>they downgraded their approach to land swaps from "absolutely no" to silence.
lmao
but yea if they agreed for it and russia agreed for defence pact in case russia tried anything again theres big chance they'll end it

>>513466454
I find it funny
russia didn't want NATO integration and assets there
what use is a defensive pact? if nobody tries for a Third Crimean War there'll be nothing to fight over.

>globohomo and President trump working together

Bros I’m feeling MIGA tonight !

>>513458777
>>513458588
>>513459880
Uhhh epstein files?

>>513458631
This, most likely

>>513458993
>I see no evidence of this whatsoever.
This. The nerve of that little shrimp to constantly blyat about the Constitution when he canceled elections and is serving as dictator is amazing.

>>513458519 (OP)
so.... basically no progress?
no ceasefire
no agreement
nothing

>>513459838
>demand the withdrawal from...
did you even read your own source dipshit?

>>513470088
>withdraw forces but freeze conflict lines
i.e. not demanding cities in donbas he hasn't taken yet
>did you even read
no u

>>513460031
Imagine saying that it's against the rules to lose a war so that means you can't be losing. It would be illegal

>>513464639
You think the orcs will stop there?

>>513458588
The fact that they're happening at all IS the huge change. Under Biden, the mutts and europeons wouldn't talk to the Russians at all, they stuck their fingers in their ears and went
>Lalala I can't hear you, Ukraine is winning, Russia is losing
Even a child can understand that that's no way to end a war. The orange nigger unironically deserves the Nobel peace price if a negotiated peace comes about as a result of this.

>>513458777
>Putin stopped demanding 4 regions
No he didn't. Last two digits of your post are kek telling us your brigade number, faggot

>>513460031
>the constitution forbids ceding land
"The constitution forbids losing a war"

Holy fucking shit Ukraine cannot be this retarded lmaoooo

>>513458519 (OP)
Big fucking deal. Trump had to play ball eventually so his Russian friends can claim how absolutely generous they are

>>513462211
Trump has been saying this for fucking months now.

>>513458519 (OP)
Russia should exchange the finnish territories + konigsberg for donbas + ukranian territories.
Keep crimea and trial zelensky in moscow for warcrimes

>>513472630
Moscow? He should be dragged to the Hague. Or hold the trial in Auschwitz for shits and giggles.

>>513458519 (OP)
Well sure
Nuland and Bojo spent 3 years sabotaging every attempt at peace