Thread 513461361

How did you contain your alcohol addition?

he did something at Epstein island and tried to numb it out of himself .

>>513461361 (OP)
Weak cunt

>>513461361 (OP)
emotional men get addicted to downers
ambitious men get addicted to uppers

>>513461361 (OP)
>known to attended daily public meetings for 20 years
>anonymous
Pffft

I drink like... four seltzers on Fri and Saturday and I've felt like it's a lot but apprently i drink like a white women and people put away handles daily

>>513461361 (OP)
-Fallout New Vegas was your best work.

Press F for Matthew

F

>>513461361 (OP)
in my stomach.
release the Epstein files

>>513461361 (OP)
>How did you contain your alcohol addition?
i almost died 3x times from detox, i dont think i'll survive next time, so there is no next time

>>513461361 (OP)
I never got addicted because I'm not a retard.

Obviously met a dealer at each meet amd scored. No one goes that much even addicts.

>>513461361 (OP)
He didn't wanna stop drinking, he should have just went full blown Oliver reed mode

>>513461361 (OP)
Not marrying a woman with vulnerable children to use as a psychological punching bag in order to protect his blood son

One day I decided I was wasting alot of time and money, and just stopped. Had a baby now, so it was time to grow up. Just quit and didn't say anything to anyone but my wife. That was almost 7 years ago. AA might work for some, but it wasn't for me I didn't need a group of losers telling me I was a loser, I knew I was a loser drinking everyday. To each their own, but my life has never been better.

>>513461361 (OP)
ive tried to become an alcoholic i can't stand the taste of it

>>513461751
Dumbest fucking garbage shit take I've ever had the displeasure of acquainting with

>>513461361 (OP)
i go to AA and try to do the steps and have been sober for 4 years., pros: not wakng up with wet sheets due to me pissing in the bed, with texts of friends saying "dude do you remember what you did last night"?.
cons: life fucken sucks and sobriety is boring.
BUT. the benefit of not making a fucking fool of myself is so great that its almost worth life sucking ass.but i HATE ppl at AA who r like "LIFE IS SO GREAT NOW". fuck off. cut the bullshit. sobriety blows. getting fucked up rules. I just cant handle it responsibly. thats MY problem not societys

>>513461909
Loser

>>513461751
congratulation this is the dumbest shit ive read this week

>>513461361 (OP)
This guy had seen and probably done some bad shit. Obviously trying to self medicate the demons that he had going on in his head. Lots of Hollywood people are fucked he's just one of many

>>513462343
there are "real alcoholics" and "not real alcoholics". i have always been miserable even as a kid, and the one thing that gave me freedom was when i first drank at 13. blackout first time. blackout constantly ever since. without our "medicine" we go back to the same miserable, scared life that we knew as kids. for guys like US, we need AA or SOMETHING deeper than just "put the plug in the jug" cause when we do that thats when the problems start. im an alcoholic like my dad and his dad before him. real alcoholics. not "wow i was goin crazy there for a bit" alcoholics.

>>513461361 (OP)
Really simple, I don't have one.

>>513461860
Faggot

>>513461361 (OP)
I got 99 problems but alcohol isn't one

>>513462445
>>513462588
You would feel alot better if you want fishing on Saturdays all by yourself than sit in a room full of the dregs of society. You don't owe anyone a fucking apology other than yourself for the years worth of time you will never get back.

>>513462898
lol spare me ur tough guy "pull urself up by ur bootstraps by urself" bullshit. ya there are some shit meetings filed with fent junkies etc but there are also meetings with a lot of decent people with long term sobriety tough guy. its called a common purpose. i dont give a fuck about fishing.

just got tired of waking up groggy

>>513462898
>dur hur muh regret muh arbitrary success age requirements
you could have posted "i bought a six bedroom house at 19, stop being lazy"
and it would be logickally equivalent to what you wrote

>>513461361 (OP)
And not a single pool safety course.... Pathetic

>>513461909
Literally just stop drinking retard

>>513463043
Just try it anon, sobriety shouldnt feel bad or boring. I am proud of you regardless. I started drinking at 14. My old man spent 4 decades drunk, and he is the most functional of his siblings. He is 16 years now with aa. It just wasn't for me
To each their own

>>513462898
were u miserable ever since u can remember. did u grow up in an alcoholic home? when u put the booze away do u go back to ur baseline of misery? i do. thats why AA is for guys like ME. people who just develop a habit and need some help to stop but are otherwise normal functioning people with no misery issues - IMO i agree, they dont need AA. AA is for people with the issue of ALCOHOLISM which is the issue that caused them to start drinking/using drugs uncontrollabky in the first place. for guys who develop a habit and need to snap themselves out of it - AA does more harm than good.

>>513461361 (OP)

AA is A cult. For anyone who doesn't know how it works, it's like this; They're aim is to catch people who have come during a particularly vulnerable moment in their life--wife left them, lost everything, etc--They THEN try to encircle you within the group and isolate you from anyone outside of the group so that your ENITRE WORLD becomes AA. They then abuse you by forcing you to head meetings and telling you that you're going to die if you don't. It's fear based and the people involved are complete psychopaths who get off on the control. They're abusers and losers who use "sobriety" and "helping people" as a cover to take advantage and be abusive to new recruits. This abuse is used to isolate you from everyone else in your life who is not a part of AA. Then, once you have been completely surrounded and your life completely overtaken by meetings and events, after some period of time, you are given small amounts of status within the group--expected to tithe, or else--then, if you screw up or try to drop out of AA or cut back on attendance, they use social shame and gossip and threats to get you back in. Your AA friends will start dropping off, refusing to sit near you at meetings, giving you sideways looks in the street, they start gang-stalking you outside your work, until you get back in line with the organization. It's totally fear based. They use their numbers to intimidate and keep you in attendance--this is all done under the guise of "helping you stay sober"--"we're just looking out for you", "we're just worried about you". They will go to psychotic lengths to get you in trouble even--spy on you at the bar, or wherever you may be drinking, and when you get in your car to drive home they'll try to drive you off the road or call the cops on you to get you sent to jail. They are a psycho bunch. I barely got out alive.

Never had a problem because im not a weak willed faget. Can drink myself into a black hole and a month later be stone sober.

>>513463124
You said you got tired of waking up groggy, you knew you were wasting time. Time isn't arbitrary at all

I cold turkeyed for 5 years, was hard as fuck, the main thing i remember was the constipation. I had the easiest wettest shits every morning after drinking heavily every night, and when i stopped it was absolutely fucking insane, i was on multiple otc laxatives and chugging black coffee and chain smoking cigarettea every morning to try and shit.

Also im back to drinking regularly now, did the whole quitting to see if i could, but at the end of the day i like getting drunk and it's not like my blue collar laborer ass was ever going to retire or own a home so if i drop dead at work a few years earlier than i would have otherwise it is what it is

>>513463458
Yeah I don't miss the diarrhea

>>513461361 (OP)
Here's the problem. When you don't REALLY want to quit drinking (or taking drugs) but you're TOLD you need to quit and you go along with it, it doesn't work well.

It seems that Matthew didn't really want to quit. Maybe he wanted the people in his life to be happy, so he went to rehabs, he went to AA meetings, he "tried" to quit. He probably did "try" for the people in his life who cared about him. He probably meant well.

When you truly want to quit, in your heart, when you're no longer "trying to quit", but "have quit" that's when it really sticks.

>>513462361
I tried too. I like bourbon, but nowhere near enough to get wasted on it daily. All I ever use it for now is when I have a cold, which is almost never. I took all the hooch I had bought for my new hobby and just made a shitload of vanilla extract with it.

Ironically, I gave up beer to give this a try, and never went back to beer either.

>>513462527
I don't know what she's taking, but it sure as hell isn't just alcohol.

>>513463374
lmao i dont know what kind of fucked up podunk meeting you went to but almost everything u wrote is pure bullshit.
I have been in AA for years nd my dad has before me. never have i ever heard of AA members tyring to isolate people from their families. there is a chapter in the big book of reintegrating members to their families.
there is no expectation to tithe.
u need meds.
some "cult" with no dues or fees.

>>513463443
yes but pretending your awareness level "should have"
been something it wasn't is projection onto the past
it's magickal thinking. eg wasting time
a rational person would understand the very concept
of "time waste" is self abuse, nothing more

>>513462446
its made me a stronger and more formidable person in life having overcoming multiple crippling addictions and then maintaining sobriety for 10+ years
maybe once you grow up a little bit you'll run into some real life challenges

>>513463684
Dumb cope cunt kike

>>513461361 (OP)

Still trying. Its about habits once im on the wagon its easier to stay on.

>>513463396
love guys like u. think cause u dont have some problem its a badge of honor to felate urself. for lots of people, its documented that once they take one drink or substance - they cannot control the amount they thereafter take. it clearly follows genetic patterns which blows ur "willpower" argument out of the water

>>513463684
>420 id
Are you really sober anon?

>>513463267
when you become physically addicted to a chemical its not that easy
midday i would start shaking like fucking crazy and need more b00ze to get that to go away
never start hair of the dog, its your first step to full blown 24/7 alcoholism

>>513461361 (OP)
Will power is the only way. There’s no shortcut. Alcoholism like any other drug addiction just masks some inner issue, be it depression, lack of ambition/drive or merely simple boredom. Analyse it systematically and carve out a different path. Alcohol will kill you but very very slowly and in an ugly manner. Your appearance and health will slowly wither away, as will your relationships with people and finally family. By all means drink if you’re overcome by Dionysian madness but 9/10 times it’s a waste of human potential, and thus well and properly baptised the Liquid Jew.

>>513461361 (OP)
Wasn't that supposed to be anonymous?

>>513461361 (OP)
If a treatment doesn't work after 100 attempts then maybe it's time to try something else.

>>513463836
dont listen to this guy. will power is a finite resource and will fail u. need god to give u strength to stop drinking. or a higher power.

>>513461361 (OP)
I used to drink alot. Now i drink less. You dont have to quit completely, alcohol is not so bad when in moderation.
You just have to control yourself and drink in moderation. A glas or er even two of wine daily will not harm you at all, its actually associated with longevity and some of the oldest people in the world had a glass daily their whole lives.

>>513461909
Get help, don't suffer needlessly

>>513462588
>there are "real alcoholics" and "not real alcoholics".
this is driving me crazy. I still don't know whether I am in fact powerless over alcohol. I was a daily drinker for 5 years (a couple of beers and some vodka), but I hardly ever blacked out. I had ceased drinking entirely for 10 months, I attended AA meetings for 3 months, I even acquired a sponsor but I ended up ghosting them and I ultimately didn't work the steps. To my surprise, during the 10 months of my sobriety I didn't find it difficult not to purchase alcohol, I was perfectly content with not drinking, until I wasn't. Now I have been drinking 2 cans of beer every second evening for the past 3 months which I suppose isn't that terrible. I'm not sure whether I'm going to continue to drink a couple of beers every now and again for the rest of my life or if I'm going to progress to drinking excessively at some point

>>513462361
>tried to.
You can't really actively work towards it, you have to be in some sort of mental state beforehand and then it just happens one day, you realize you've been downing like 15 beers a day for the last three years and you feel like shit.

>>513463922
While alive. People use full names after death. Fight club got that idea from AA. Bill Wilson was just Bill W.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me at all if AA actually killed Matthew Perry for relapsing. There are undercover police that go to meetings in hopes of someone admitting to some crime they committed during their drinking days. They solve crimes this way. AA is largely funded by law enforcement groups. And law enforcement are involved in the gang-stalking portion of AA. The cops know all about AA and how it's used to harrass problem-drinkers--they're part of it. It's a sneaky, dastardly organization that will make your life a living hell unless you make your WHOLE LIFE about promoting the group. There are some people who have done awful things in their addiction who use the group to hide from consequences from their past actions. For instance, maybe somebody committed some awful crime and they are nervous about getting caught for it. They will hide within AA and go balls to the wall in AA, so that if they ever get caught they have the cover of "I don't remember, I was a heavy drinker, but I'm doing something about it now and have recognized I have a problem and am being very proactive about my recovery--I am heavily involved in helping myself and others through AA". Meanwhile, the top brass of AA all know why they're actually there --for cover--and they party and drink together in private. They have private parties for the top brass in every group where the head honchos of the local chapters meet up and get fucked up and screw each other. It's sick--very much like a secret society. full of psychos.

>>513461361 (OP)
I stopped drinking, simple as. 14 years ago.

(you denial)513461361
By not being a jew and making a 1PBTID thread like you.

>>513463793
>Alcoholic talking points intensify
Youre a fucking sick loser defending your sickness you diseased faggot

>>513461751
you really got the downer addicts going with that one

>>513463750
the liquid jew plagues us all, do not group me in with those subversive nepotistic inbred devils

>>513463640

Typical cult member covering for the cult. It's very much an operation. I attended in NYC, dumb fuck.

>>513464143
>it's a disease
It's literally self control you cultist

>>513464050
the answer to "do u have an alcohol problem" is supposed to be "if u think u do, u do". but i disagree. to me, if you answer yes to "when you took ur first drink did u feel like finally you felt normal"? then u are an alcoholic. the notion of that drink finally "making u feel like other people look (to you)" - that is the marker of someone with a deep problem that is present even without alcohol that MEDICATES using alcohol. sounds like youre not an actual alcoholic.if u can drink 2 cans every second evening for 3 months? u def arent an alcoholic and just need to watch ur habits like people need to watch any habit.

>>513461361 (OP)
Idk I just decided to not be addicted to it

>>513461361 (OP)
I bet nobody knows who he was there.

>>513464104
this is a jew seeking to get people to not get help for their alcohol addiction (meme flaggot). everything he wrote is pure bullshit.

>>513461751
I'm an alcoholic, and my friends say I'm completely void of emotion and almost robotic when sober, then when I drink I become more open. I would say that alcohol allows me to feel feelings, because otherwise I'm pretty ice cold.

>>513463288
>obriety shouldnt feel bad or boring
To an alcoholic, it's agonizing. I'm not even joking anon... I've lived it. It fucking sucks.

I get where you are coming from, because I finally beat it, and I started to actually enjoy doing things without booze.

>>513463581
My experience from quitting cigarettes was that if you quit for a specific reason (or reasons), you're going to fail. Quitting for a specific reason is a promise to yourself. And promises are only good so long as the conditions that existed at the time you made that promise continue unchanged. It's just human nature to absolve yourself of obligations if you can justify it on the basis that "things change." This is why treaties get broken and wars start too, by the way.

You quit for the same reason you stop hitting yourself on the head with a hammer. It was a bad idea to begin with and there's no rational justification for continuing to do it.

>>513464215
lol sure thing buddy. everything u wrote is pure unadulterated lies and complete wacko bullshit. i have never ever heard of anyone trying to isolate a member from their family. ur a liar

>>513463922
That's why it's important to double check the sign says AA not A

>>513464365
Yeah it's a great feeling. Plus I am the size i was in high-school and can literally eat an infinite amount of sweets and not gain a pound.

>>513464351
This. Alcohol is the cure to autism and rocial retardation.

I cut down to weekends and birthdays and shit. Feels good not feeling sloshed constantly.
t.used to daydrink erry day for 10-odd years

>>513461892
>in my stomach.
kek

>>513461361 (OP)
could I BE any more sober???

>>513461361 (OP)
I got tired of being drunk and feeling like shit every day. I asked why I keep doing this to myself, and realized how much I had grown to dislike drinking. I didn't stop all together, and I do still consider myself an alcoholic, but I go weeks and months without drinking now. I just don't think about it or feel a desire for it.

>>513464526
i got sober and gained 50 lbs

>>513461361 (OP)
my problem is that once i start drinking, i don't stop until i black out, otherwise i can control myself from starting to drink pretty well

>>513464616
Kek

>>513464259

The problem is AA wants to label everyone an "alcoholic" because it is good for AA. Their definition is horse-shit. There is such a thing as situational alcoholism, brought on by stressful life situations that is completely different than "I LOVE TO GET FUCKED UP" alcoholism. The group doesn't differentiate between the two and it's wrong. The situational drunk will often quit of his own accord at some point the "I love to get fucked up" alcoholic is a mental-case who won't.

>>513464616
Kek

>>513461361 (OP)
Perry was fucked from the start, when he was a babby his parents (not knowing any better) gave him some super dangerous and addictive drug (as medicine) that fucks up the part of your brain that deals with things like addiction.

I just don't drink.

>>513464143
i'll always have this weakness about me, but its also a strength to know what my weaknesses are and to have the self control and discipline over it

>>513464557
When I used to go to parties, my friends would say shit like:
>Quick get him a drink before he says something retarded.

>>513464218
Nope. I have experience with alcoholism directly and indirectly. Through indirect interaction, active drinkers don't see the error of their ways. They refuse to repent. Kill yourself bitch.

>>513462588
Bizarre thing to be proud of.
>I'm not pro-
yes you are.

>>513464719
i actually agree with you and actually the book does too. it refers to a "certain type of hard drinker" that can quit on his own accord with willpower. AA is not the be all end all and only works for REAL alcoholics, not for someone who went crazy for a year after his mom died or something. i hate that shit. cause it confuses people who arent actually alcoholics and also it dilutes the messahe for those (like me) who are in fact real alkys

>>513461361 (OP)
I care

>>513464962
Kek. You had cool friends anon.

>>513464627
I gained a bit of weight too, because I was so calorie deficient right after, I started eating a lot more. I was always hungry.

The only reason I became an alcoholic was because I'm a friendless loser who can't get other drugs and too stupid to buy them off the dark web.

Alcohol is shit but you can get it anywhere

>>513464994
im not proud - i am posting in a thread about alcoholism and making a careful and important distinction. am i posting about my REAL ALCOHOLISM in a thread about the NHL? no. get real retard. i wish i wasnt fucked up like this. maybe what ur picking up on is frustration at me having been to meetings many of them and having to listen to faggots cry about being "alcoholics" when they really arent.

>>513461361 (OP)
With alcohol subtraction, dumbass.

>>513461361 (OP)
maybe he was addicted to sitting in a circle

>>513461909
You aren't alone anon. I'm trying to stay full sober. The last DT's really felt like they were going to kill me. People that have never felt it don't understand. I don't resent them for it. Stay strong you can make it.

>>513461361 (OP)
I almost died of multiple heart ailments, four years ago.
Alcohol was definitely a contributing factor, along with genetics and being out of control (overeating in particular, bad sleep habits, etc.).
Quit drinking alcohol cold turkey in July of 2021. Never looked back.
Also stopped drinking caffeine.
Started eating healthy and working out regularly and getting a good night's sleep, every night.
Heart is now rated healthy and I'm cleared for all activity.
Meetings attended: zero.

>>513462383
oh no, someone's upset
quick, hide the booze!

>>513464996
it shouldnt confuse you at all. there are like two or three hundred pages of stories. the actual book is like ~160 pages. if you relate to at least a couple stories, youre an alcoholic. congrats. it's pretty fucking clear as to who is an alcoholic, and who is the rare type to be in control of drinking (but for some reason, doesnt).

dr bob's story about drinking opened my eyes. he had some gastro problems and would later drink to relieve the pain. i did that as well.

>>513461798
Kek

>>513461361 (OP)
Opening up another beer.

>>513465227
good for u. why put "meetings attended:zero" at the end like ur the coolest guy in the whole world? works for some people, doesnt for others. it doesnt mean ur better than anyone you absolute fucking faggot.

>>513464719
If you've ever endured the assault of someone "making amends," you start to understand the dark downside of AA. For openers, it's more painful than a timeshare sales pitch. It also shows that they believe that they can forgive themselves on your behalf if they simply apologize. No matter what they do to someone (alcohol related or not), they bear no responsibility for it if at some indeterminate point in the future, after the person they inflicted themselves upon endured all the cost and grief to recover and move on with their lives, they simply apologize to them. They are still capable of sociopathic behavior at any time. They simply don't drink anymore.

>>513461361 (OP)
you get sick of it and stop for a while, a few valiums help after a binge

>>513464351
it was emotion that made you share intimate details about your personal life, not your "ice coldness"
faggot

>6,000 AA meetings
>Still dies from what AA is supposed to fix

12 step programs are fucking bullshit and is about as effective at treating addiction as vax boosters are at preventing covid

>>513461361 (OP)
Mathew Perry was a lying cunt

>>513461751
Most people who do uppers take some type of downer to come down off it

>>513465268
i agree - i didnt say i was confused. but there are a lot of people who come to AA desparate after a situational bout of drinking who do get confused, like memeflaggot >>513464719 is saying. and memeflaggot is right in that, ther is a certian type of AAer who thinks ANYONE who comes to a meeting is an alcoholic. thats bullshit.

>>513461798
>>513465298
couple things: one, it's difficult for celebs to remain anonymous anywhere. most groups in cities have a few local celebs, but you really wont know about it unless you attend meetings. frankly, a lot of celebs enjoy normal AA meetings as opposed to the secret celebrity meetings. there are secret meetings for the rich and famous, mike tyson and lindsay lohan come to mind. guys like rob lowe and robert downy jr attend normal meetings and enjoy the mutual respect.

>>513464259
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TfVsYebLQk&t=1001s
41:55
>Alcoholism isn't about how much you drink or how often you drink. There are people who drink two 5ths a day who are not alcoholics. There are people who drink twice a month who are alcoholics
What do you think of this? Doesn't it boil down to the criteria presented by the Big Book? Whether I have the mental obsession and the physical allergy? I am restless, irritable and discontented for the most part when I am sober and I do regret not buying more alcohol than the 2 cans of beer every time I drink, I just don't

>>513464365
I kicked booze but now trying to ditch the devils lettuce. Smoke it habitually and don't really get high just stupid. Affects my performance at work but without it I just get stir crazy and bored. Proving to be a tough one.

>>513465328
>It also shows that they believe that they can forgive themselves on your behalf if they simply apologize
thats not how that works and the person who was attempting to make amends to you did it wrong. if they stole money, thye have to pay it back, if they fucked up your house, they have to fix it. its not seeking forgiveness either. literally apologies have nothing to do with it

>>513465322
>why put "meetings attended:zero" at the end like ur the coolest guy in the whole world? works for some people, doesnt for others. it doesnt mean ur better than anyone you absolute fucking faggot.
Because the OP's pic has a caption pointing out that Perry attended c6000 meetings, and then obviously still died of an OD.
I'm just pointing out, from my irl exp, that it can be done other ways.
I don't give a fuck if you attend meetings or not. Knock yourself out, ass breath.

>>513464719
most categories in society are like that
people are honestly just intellectually lazy
take, "narcissist" for example
sometimes i don't want to listen to some dumb shit
from someone, and if i walk away abruptly, im somehow a narc or something
bad categories, all around
some kid lives on easy mode parents pay everything
he lives comfy goes to college gets comfy job
society calls him "smart, hardworking"
its a category error. simple

>>513461909
Retard
>>513465193
You're both fucking retards you take benzos for a few days you're 100% fine that's what they give you in detox detox just means you take Benzos in a hospital setting and they give you 3 meals a day while you watch TV high as fuck
>Muh struggle

My newborn daughter cured me. All my desire to drink got converted into a desire to hold her, smell her hair (Joe Biden wasn't wrong about how great it is), and give her a smooch on the cheek. I'm busting my ass so we can homeschool, so don't really have time to think about wanting to drink. Maybe the bottle didn't have its hooks too deep into me, I dunno. But she fixed me in a way that my wife didn't.

>>513465582
try to buy the more medicinal strains. strains with high terpene concentrations. i smoke weed for a stomach disorder and it really feels like medicine as opposed to a party. personally, i avoid pinene and terpinolene, those i consider party terpenes. the sedative and anti inflammatory terpenes are great, i tend to stick with caryophylene, myrcene, and limonene. no joke, just half a bowl calms down by body and relieves inflammation.

>>513465334
being emotional caused you to project your homosexuality on to me

>>513465553
everyone is restless irritable and discontent to some extent.
When you had your first drink, did u finally feel this sense of "oh i GET IT"(meaning life)? did you finally feel free from the totally heavy bonds u felt? for me ever since i can remember i have been afraid, extremely shy, quiet, hated life, everything about it, as early as 6 years old. you?

If he only went to 6,001 meeting he would still be alive.

>>513464351
Do you have ADD? And before the kikes jump in I was diagnosed in 89 before they they gave it to everybody.

>>513465328

Yes, making amends is a selfish act for the AAer. They are absolving themselves of any wrong-doing for their behavior. "It was the alcohol, not me, I'm doing something about it now". The truth is, a sober sociopath is even MOREdangerous than a drunk one because they are more calculated. The problem is sociopathy and psychopathy, not alcohol. The alcohol is actually a control mechanism for these types of people because eventually it removes them from society. Would you rather be stalked by a drunk sociopath or a sober one? Which is more dangerous?

>>513461361 (OP)
I didn't even up going after alcohol or the nice feelings it brings on. I just have tasty drinks that have alcohol sometimes. Haven't bothered eating out in months or buying soda/juice, much less get alcohol. I'll just never know if I'm prone to addiction I guess.

>>513465677
yes i agree it can be done other ways i just dont get why ppl feel need to shit on something in some self aggrandizing way. it does work for many people.

>>513461361 (OP)
I have a buddy with a very addictive personality. He was on old school oxycontin 20 years ago during the first wave of the opioid epidemic. He joined the coast guard to get away from it and eventually got hooked on drinking. From there, he went from alcohol addiction to AA meeting addiction. It is like he gets "cravings" to attend AA meetings. During the covid quarantine, there was a whole network of secret underground AA meetings in violation of the stay home orders. Anyways, now he's addicted to OnlyFans

>>513465582
I tried the weed thing for a bit, but I unintentionally scared myself away from it because I didn't realize smoking from a pipe with a lighter was sucking in butane, which caused my BP to spike. The main reason why I quit drinking was because my BP was getting high.

I stopped smoking, and I went back to normal but then I had an epiphany that it wasn't the weed or smoke, it was the lighter.

>>513461361 (OP)
It's just not that interesting of a substance honestly. I vastly prefer cannabis. I partake in cannabis every 2 months for a week, 10 days max. I find it more interesting, more tolerable, and more fun; and it has no downsides (inb4 muh ackshully -- shut up, Redditor). Alcohol has shitloads of downsides.

Booze makes you fat, it makes you a sloppy mess, it makes you smell like shit, it makes you do things you don't want to do, it makes you physically less able to do things, it makes you feel like shit in the morning, it makes you fat, it's physically addictive, it can kill you, etc. etc.
The only alcoholic drink I actually like nowadays is Irish cream and something called Shanky's Whip. A small pint of beer is OK. A small glass of wine is OK. But I will never return to the days when I drank like a fish. 5-10 litres of beer in a night. 10 pints a night. Shit like that. No way, never again, a small drink when socializing and that's IT.

I just don't get the hype for alcohol (anymore) and I cannot imagine a worse hell than being addicted to that stinky awful devil's piss.

>>513461361 (OP)
alcohol didn't kill him.

>>513461361 (OP)
>How did you contain your alcohol addition?
tirzepatide

>>513461361 (OP)
Insane how widespread the takedown of his doctors were as if every fucking MD in Hollywood isn't doing the same thing give me a break. I guess he was a good goy that still has use for the tribe

>>513465939
read:
>>513465667
no idea where u retards are getting the idea that making amends is about "making apologies". first off, the person doing it isnt supposed to even be saying "this is the 9th step". i cringe when AAers delve into the program with non AAers as if non AAers are supposed to be impressed. ugh. they are just supposed to fucking do it. second again its making RESTITUTION. you do not owe them forgiveness even after restitution is made.

>>513465677
>six thousand meetings
and yet pretty much every meeting has someone mention "one day at a time." it's not just a mantra, it's real. most old timers will speak and say how they are basically the same as newcomers. they're always just 24 hours sober, and it's a challenge each day. it gets easier with time for sure, but the mindset of 24 hours sobriety has millions of people working the system correctly.

literally everyone is scared shitless when they have a few weeks sober and hear someone with twenty years. it seems impossible until it doesnt. i will probably drink again in the future, but not today.

>>513461361 (OP)
What a bitch.

>>513461361 (OP)
I've tried so many things for almost 2 decades from meetings to Therapie and dozens of different pills but absolutely nothing helped at all to completely shut down the urge to drink except pic related. The total solution for everyone is differently for sure but my gf which is an alcohol too takes it as well and she has the same effects and we don't even think about alcohol anymore and each day is not some stupid struggle to stay sober no our days just go on as if alcohol never happened.

That's one meeting every day for ~16 years.
Or 1 meeting every WEEK day for 22 years.
Or 3 days a week for 38 years.
Literally impossible.

>>513461361 (OP)
Nice

>>513461860
I'm going to fuck you until you love me, you faggot.

>>513463640
>I have been in AA for years nd my dad has before me.
who wants to listen to some faggot pussy who cant control himself?

>>513461361 (OP)
by acknowledging it's a risk and never drinking outside of holidays
i.e. by never developing the addiction
>inb4
yes, my social life suffered on this, but idc. I'm not a moron sheep

>>513461361 (OP)
I've attended ZERO.
All he had to do was taper off and enjoy himself guilt free. As soon as "other people" tell the person they need treatment, they develop a guilt complex over it.
The real solution is to drink if you are sufferings off DT's.
ANd to drink without shame. That alone calms the person down, and then they quit just from the boredom of it.
But when you have family and the public telling you to stop cold turkey, it causes more problems.

Also his death was vaccine related until otherwise stipulated.

>>513465899
>When you had your first drink, did u finally feel this sense of "oh i GET IT"(meaning life)?
YES, absolutely
The way that I would put it is that life makes a lot more sense when I am buzzed or drunk
>ever since i can remember i have been afraid, extremely shy, quiet, hated life, everything about it, as early as 6 years old
Make It 8 years old and that's literally me. I have fond memories of being happy between the ages of 3 and 7 and then everything went downhill since then

>>513465365
Perry was completely full of shit, like his character on the show.
Also AA only works if it gets someone to not be full of shit.
The basic principles of AA are very good because you're supposed to confront present and past problems you've generated and you get the help of peers for guidance and encouragement. People really do stop bullshitting when they do that. But if they don't follow through then it's pointless.

>>513461751
thinking men don't get addicted

>>513466264
>one meeting a day
lol, newb. plenty of people go to multiple per day. particularly if youre a rich celeb trying to get sobert and you get millions in residuals from an ancient tv show the rest of your life. im gonna guess youd be surprised to hear plenty of people do a thousand meetings in a year.

>>513461751
also, funny thing is, for people most susceptible to alcohol addiction, alcohol itself is an upper. It causes massive dopamine spikes for them
I know a guy who behaves like he's on coke, when he takes xanax

>>513461751
excellent bait

>>513465123
we have a winner

>>513465899
yeah, since i was a little kid, things felt, "off"
i loved that aerosmith song "something wrong with the world today."
it was like, "yeah, something is wrong, cant quite put my finger on it."
now im older i can see it clearly
i can see how fucked up this prison planet
slave society is and how fucked
the average person is
how dead their eyes are
how trapped their soul is under delusion and coping

>>513466340
its genetic. some ppl are born with the lack of ability to control themselves when it comes to substances. thats why parents who have it have children who have it. or why irish/eastern euros have it at high rates compared to chinks. ur so cool man.

>>513461361 (OP)
I'll be taking gabapentin for life m8

I stopped drinking because its so expensive. The sin tax actually worked.

>>513466377
then maybe u are. i literally wasnt able to talk to people cause of fear. if ur drinking ur 2 beers and absolutely white knuckling not buying more than perhaps u are a real alcoholic

>>513461361 (OP)
I wait until 2 hours before sleep, then knock back whiskey as fast as I can. Pass out.

>>513461361 (OP)
Can't understand how you actually become alcoholic, partied like everyone else, when I turned 28 I started to get multiday hangovers so just quit. Don't have time for that shit. I drink like one beer in the summer now and a glass of wine at weddings.

>>513466534
>its genetic. some ppl are born with the lack of ability to control themselves when it comes to substances
wrong.
you are a fucking pussy with no self control that has to use fake and gay excuses like you arent responsible for your own actions to excuse your fucking behavior.

>>513461361 (OP)
It's greatly contained in the glass I'm about to drink

>>513466636
alcohol fucks your sleep
everytime i drink before bed, i wake up three hours later
without fail and struggle to go back to sleep
without drink, i sleep through the night

>>513461361 (OP)
>alcohol addition
I usually stop counting after 4 or 5.

I suffered some tragedy awhile back. My drinking wasn't great before, but now I'm definitely the definition of a functional alcoholic. Similar to other anons said, life is just more boring sober. I can go to sleep easier(although the sleep is not as good). I've found that I'm not physically addicted to drinking, but it's such a habit for me. Once I get the kids to bed, I'm right to drinking. I've realized that nights that I don't drink, the time from 7:30-8:30 is the hardest because that's when I normally start drinking. If I get passed 8:30, I can easily not drink for the night.

>>513465767
hahahahahaha
you cant just go to the hospital and request benzos retardo

>>513465193
most alcoholics gotta realize that no one will feel sorry for you. It's your own doing and you gotta crawl out of this on your own, because no one gives a fuck and you're actually a burden to people around you, while you're drunk

it's weird how universal that expectation of empathy is, with alcoholics. Must be alcohols doing. Or maybe alcoholics are just very emotional people

>>513466492
Same. Drugs make me work my ass off. Long as it quells... the voice

>>513466340
whats with the animosity lol? prior to AA, there was no treatment for alcoholics. ever, in history. the best thing doctors could do is administer sedatives to control the shakes while the alc is restrained in a hospital. nothing was ever done beyond that care until bill w and dr bob figured out how to discuss the problem with fellow alcs. after the program took off 90 years ago, more and more people contributed to the science of alcoholism as a disease. turns out the best way to "get through" to an alcoholic is to have other alcoholics talk. addiction is the disease, alcohol is the flavor of disease.

>>513466574
>The sin tax actually worked.
no, its an everything tax.
when the jews use inflation as a weapon like this they should be destroyed not tolerated.

>>513461361 (OP)
Only 1 of the 12 steps is about alcohol/drugs (na is the same thing they replace the word alcohol with drugs so those idiots think it's different. 6 of the 12 steps mention God or a "higher power". I did this shit for 6 years everything is bait and switch it is 100% a cult and it does help when you hit what you perceive to be "rock bottom" but the idea that you need to do it till you die, that it is a disease, or that it's obvious Catholic cult steps will somehow have you doing a 1 on 1 with "god" are fucking ridiculous. I only go back because I'm lonely as fuck and want to be around people forced to listen to me and then we hang out and I socially smoke afterwards. There are many books and online resources for why it's a cult written by doctors and qualified mental health professionals and I highly recommend reading them I have read 3. Bottom line it is a cult but when you stop showing up, in my experience, nobody so much as sent me a text asking if I was alive or dead nobody gives a fuck. HOWEVER I didn't attend the inner cult AA MEN ONLY meetings those mother fuckers do crazy shit like that.

>>513466610
>i literally wasnt able to talk to people cause of fear.
another piece of evidence you are simply a fucking pussy that makes excuses for everything.
> if ur drinking ur 2 beers and absolutely white knuckling not buying more than perhaps u are a real alcoholic
you are a shitskinned shitjeet arent you? only a subhuman types like that
kys - you are a waste of carbon atoms.

>>513466719
in Poland they'll give you benzos on detox
most will go back to alcohol though. I only know one guy who conquered his addiction. And it wasn't even for a good reason. He's so mad at his ex-wife he went sober just to fuck with her more. It's fucked up, but ironically also funny.
well, actually, I knew a guy who went cold turkey and just never drank again, but I didn't knew him that well

>>513464719
i dont do meetings anymore. but if you actually read the fucking big book is says to keep drinking if you really don't think your alcoholic. I dont know how NY does AA, but regionally, the 'culture' of meetings can be very different from each other. Its not even universal how a meeting is supposed to be ran. I know this from attending meetings in different states. Still, i used meetings from when I needed them, made some friends, and stopped. I'm still friends with those people. honestly you sound miserable to be around, so it wouldn't be surprised if people fucked with you lol.

>>513466742
>prior to AA, there was no treatment for alcoholics
yeah, there is and always was.
dont drink too much, and dont drink every day
are you fucking retarded?
whats next, fat fucks arent at fault either?

>>513466231
>Our days go on as if alcohol never existed
That's how it is when you don't spend hours of your day talking about it at shame sessions I mean "meetings"

>>513466786
lol, this is what I'm talking about here >>513466727

>>513466786
it's a cult that you can
>come and go freely of your own will
>has no dues or fees, you donate a couple bucks when you can
>choose your own higher power, can literally be anything
>share your views freely with no one correcting you
sounds like the shittiest cult ever

>>513461500
Checked
2pbp

>>513467045
anon's just butthurt that no one called

>>513466686
love how u just ignored all the facts i wrote in my post (genetic heritsbility etc) to keep going on ur fsggot ass matt walsh trad horseshit

>>513465939
you realize what amends mean right? Its not an apology. Its asking what can be done to AMEND the relationship. Its on the person receiving the amends whether or not they even want to tell the alcoholic how the relationship can be fixed.

>>513462145
Retard core!
>Famous celebs won't have their own dealers

Over 30 years you could easily hit 6000 meetings, I know people who have probably done close to that.

I hate drug threads because it's always full of retards who know nothing about drugs and drink running their mouths like they know anything. One good thread on/pol/ that might help people help one another and people who've got sick from an alcopop at 15 and never drank again telling anons how drugs and rehabilitation works

I'm actually waiting on a delivery of some bars in the post but think they aren't coming today, post has been shit recently.

If you are thinking of trying hard drugs anon who haven't, in case you think you're the one person on earth who's strong enough to take say heroin and then leave it alone forever, you aren't. Don't say I didn't warn you. If you're doomposting on a site like this you're the exact kind of person who would fall head over heels for heroin.

Anyway, gl to all anon in recovery! you can make it work! You're energy and self worth is better yielded to have an impact on the world. Whatever it may be. Stay strong.

>>513466686
also nowhere did i say "im not responsible for my behaviour". i am fully responsible for drinking wen i know i do fucked up shit when drunk. where did i say im not responsible for the consequences of drunkeness

>>513466690
I take lunesta for that

>>513466863
its in my dna. my father and his fsther before him, my uncles, all drunks, angry when sober, miserable people.

>>513467128
>love how u just ignored all the facts i wrote in my post
no facts given.
again, you are typing like a shitjeet shitskinned subhuman

>>513461361 (OP)
Isn’t he dead?

I thought the vaxx git him.

>>513467235
i gave up drinking recently. i want to stop smoking next
then eventually hopefully stop masturbating and caffeine as well
i hate taking substances to manage my mood
and i had being unstable. like if i take an energy drink
i can feel real unstable like highly reactive
i hate that because i need to remain calm and in control
since i am a manager and people look to me for guidance
so if i am acting wobbly it fucks everything up

>>513467283
>its in my dna. my father and his fsther before him, my uncles, all drunks, angry when sober, miserable people.
wrong.
you and your family are stupid fucking retard asshole selfish weak fucking assholes.
and so are you blaming DNA and your family.
you are just a bunch of dumb assholes who should be sterilized not given treatment.

>>513461361 (OP)

I turned it into an alcohol subtraction.

>>513466231
a friend of mine who is into neurology recommended this too. but if it practically functions like the GABA release of alcohol, aren't you just replacing one addiction with another?
I read it doesn't do anything to the reuptake of dopamine and serotonin, so I suppose you wouldn't get the same hangxiety drinking does.
I'll take this into consideration.

>>513466913
america has a major drug problem so if you go into an ER and request a controlled substance like benzo's or pain killers you're automatically labeled and treated like a drug seeking junkie no matter who you are or what you look like
then they deny you unless you're puking and shitting all over the place
good for him though, quitting all the way is fucking tough but eventually you adapt

look /pol/ is full of the exact same retarded low IQ spam made by the exact same group while the exact same mods refuse to do anything about it
all day
every day
>one post by this ID
>stupid question
>leave
>repeat

>>513466143
Yeah I had thought it was PILLZZZ.

>>513466742
>whats with the animosity lol?
Faggots hate the higher power component of AA. They will seethe till they're blue in the face at the idea of a power higher then themselves.

>>513464104
Holy shit this may be the most retarded post i- ahhh memeflag

You've never been to an AA or NA meeting in your life

>>513461361 (OP)
I love beer I learned I loved drinking at 14 when I had my first beers. I drank for twenty years and it finally turned on me. Had an alcohol withdrawal and it was too much for me to handle so I went to the hospital. They gave me benzodiazepine and I detoxed in the ER. It was such a shitty experience I decide to quit. I called my doctor and asked him if he could help and he prescribed me NALTREXONE. It stopped the alcohol cravings completely. I used to crave it like I NEEDED alcohol. 18 months sober now and only went to one AA meeting, I’m antisocial so I didn’t really want to fraternize with other drunks.