Thread 513465057

The USA defeated the Iraqi military and deposed the regime within a month of invasion. Why can't Russia do this in Ukraine?

>someone post the iraqi freedom air raid timelapse webm
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>>513465057 (OP)
Iraq:
> 3rd world brown military using 1970s Soviet exports
> Open deserts
> 30:1 Coalition advantage in combat aircraft
> "Professional military" led by officers loyal to Saddam, not competent commanders
> U.S. led coalition has the most powerful expeditionary military on earth

Ukraine:
> 3rd world white army with 80/90s equipment
> dense forests and 2 meter mud fields
> Effective Air Defense network
> Military leaders are literally academy classmates of the Russian generals they're fighting; massive NATO professional training effort
> Russian Army is barely combat effective and has no expeditionary sustainment capability

Two completely different wars, Anon.

>>513465057 (OP)

The main issue was logistics. The US military, whatever other faults it may have, are masters of logistics. When the US invaded Iraq (twice), they made certain to maintain robust supply lines to ensure the forces at the tip of the spear didn't run out of food, fuel, or ammunition. This is exactly what Russia got wrong. When they launched the surprise offensive, their logistics were practically non-existent. That would have worked OK had the Ukrainian military melted away like they expected them to. But the moment the Russians met stiff resistance on the outskirts of Kiev or Kharkov, for example, their large military convoys quickly ran out of fuel. When the vehicles started running out of fuel it turned into a countdown timer to running out of food and water, so when those got low enough, the Russians abandoned thousands and thousands of vehicles and hiked back to Russia, Belarus, and back across their eastern lines in the Donbas. They lost a lot of equipment up front, Ukraine spent the next several weeks capturing or destroying what they could, NATO aide then started arriving, and lines solidified. Had Russia been able to maintain supply lines to even a minimum level, the war likely ended within weeks. But they didn't, and now the war is a meat grinder.

Did Iraq have 32 first world countries sending them billions in weapons and intel?

>>513468177
You’re forgetting that the U.S indiscriminately bombed Baghdad without any regard for civilians. And that Ukraine had strong NATO support from weapons to officers on the ground telling them how to operate.

>NATO aide then started arriving

they already had loads of it, additional aid arrived but the stuff they already had there was ongoing for almost a decade.

The mistake Russia made was not doing this in 2014. They didn’t wanna lose the World Cup in 2018 which by all means was a successful host but less important than taking most of Ukraine.

>>513465057 (OP)
Because Russia fumbled their blitzkrieg initial invasion due to colossal incompetence with their logistics, and also Ukraine has support of many different 1st world countries

You people are fucking morons or assets and I really donr care which. Punching out of a NAFO thread.

>>513465057 (OP)
Russia defeated Georgia within half a month. It is not that hard to defeat a weak enemy.

>>513466898
Weren't a lot of the iraqi generals paid to surrender?

>>513465057 (OP)
Ukraine, while had been peaceful country and 50/50 friendly towards both Russia and West up to 2013, became hardened during 8 years war in Dobnass 2014-2022. Its army became hardened, its social activists became hardened, its politics became hardened in resistance to Russia.

>>513466898
>Russian Army is barely combat effective and has no expeditionary sustainment capability

False. Russia is a vast territory with massive industrial capacity. They won't be running short on essential ammo any time soon. While certain things like armored vehicles might become more of a finite resource on the battlefield, they do not have manpower shortages and their 40K Ork style approach to combat (meatgrinder) is still sustainable.

It's Ukraine with its much smaller population that are critically low on manpower so much so they have teams of people in vans going around kidnapping able bodied males for conscription. Despite massive NATO training, equipment, money, spec ops teams, Ukraine is barely holding on.

>>513465057 (OP)
Then got its ass kicked by a bucnch of bare footed mountain goat fuckers for almost a quarter of a century.

>>513466898
>3rd world white army with 80/90s equipment
No, the "3rd w*rld white" army doesn't exist and isnt' an indicator, while the 60, 70 and 90 fucking r*ssian military equipm*nt is the same.

>dense forests and 2 meter mud fields
Nope, many field with road and co; furthermore forests and mud would not h*ve been a justification, since Ir*q got sand and also mud.

>Military leaders are literally academy classmates of the Russian generals
Not much of them actually, but you debunked yourself since this would advantageous for p*tin...
> Effective *ir Defense network
No, except for the turkish missiles deployed from turkish depots, the ukr got the same thing as the ir*qi and r*ssian...
>Russian Army is barely combat effective and has no expeditionary sustainment capability

Lol, you spouted five fail attempt of justification only to admit that r*ssia is not strong...

Furthermore...
Open deserts
Nope, many mud, fields and house in ir*q; not a desert, which h*ve been disadvantageous for US
>30:1 Coalition advantage in combat aircraft
Yeah, the r*ssian fleet can match the US one..
> U.S. led coalition has the most powerful expeditionary military on earth
US was like 90% of the force
>"Professional military" led by officers loyal to Saddam, not competent commanders
But enough about the r*ssian armed forces.

No, they are the same war since both show clearly that the r*ssian military is not strong...

>>513468678
>Weren't a lot of the iraqi generals paid to surrender?
Cool it with the copium, dude.

>>513470100
>Then got its ass kicked by a bucnch of bare footed mountain goat fuckers for almost a quarter of a century.

No, never occured at all, dude; cool it with your delusion*l jealousy against the US.

And all that from the other side of the earth.

>>513465057 (OP)
Mein Neger,
Iraq was under an international arms embargo for 10 years before that, not even Russia supplied up-to-date weapons systems, they had export-simplified weapons to begin with
>inb4 "muh monkey model is cope", Amerisharts are coping about the Abraburns the same way right fucking now
and they couldn't even roll armor plate in their domestic industry, as evidenced by US tankers noting in confusion that some T-tanks resisted fire and needed good shot placement to take down, while others could be penetrated like hot butter.
Last but not least, all the other Anglo countries + Poland joined the invasion, and many non-fighting countries provided logistics / shipping. (Japan is de facto an invading party in the Middle East)

On the other hand, Ukraine enjoys access to the best arsenals of the world at replacement cost or less, and is even supported by foreign volunteers / mercenaries. It fights a war with extremely bizarre rules of engagement where their enemy only attacks positions where the Ukrainians have their army deployed, there is no Belarusian or Odessan frontline, they still have electrical power in their cities, I can apply to a civilian job with German companies in Ukraine right fucking now if I wanted to, even commercial shipping is off-limits so as not to deny Ukraine profits from the grain trade.

It is not comparable

>>513465057 (OP)
The current effects are the desired effects.

>>513465057 (OP)
Says the christian demiurgic altered bible reader golem blood drinker flesh eater ritual cowburger consumer. Youre just as bad as the other abrahamic fake jews cowmurders heifer slayers
Heil sudarshana chakra

Gnostic real jesus IS krishna

>>513472327
>the blackpill

>27% Tajik

Why dont Tajikistan follow Russian logic and claim some land in Afghanistan?

>>513466898
You forgot the part about Ukraine getting NATO arms, intelligence and spec ops support

>>513465057 (OP)
Because it's not a real war; it's a depopulation campaign disguised as a war.

>>513471559
>No, never occured at all, dude; cool it with your delusion*l jealousy against the US.
Afghanistan

vatniks are unironically bragging about fighting grueling ww1 trench warfare.
which everyone ran away from.
this is why maneuver warfare was invented for ww2.
you'd expect these incompetent assholes to use their airforce in the first days and take out ukraine's command centers, power generation, and of course the SAM systems.
what kind of moron brags about 3 years of attrition.

>>513465057 (OP)
this is absolutely bonkers

>>513465057 (OP)
>The USA defeated the Iraqi military and deposed the regime within a month of invasion.
Right I bet you think the same of Afghanistan. Loser. Your wife fucks a nigger while you die for Pedo Jews.

>>513472248
i was there, we used to find weapons caches of ancient obsolete shit from iraqis that basically abandoned their shit everywhere

a lot of them knew it was futile and quit. we had an decently amicable relationship with the ones that just quit and threw their hands up

we started piecing together AKs and other weapons, trying to smuggle then home thru the post till the CID / ofc special affairs caught wind and started confiscating our shit

>Iraq
>Coalition of virtually all of the world's powers
>Complete and total air superiority
>Iraq has no allies, and had been arms embargoed for a decade at the time

>Ukraine
>Russia is the one fighting a coalition of NATO + US + total Ukrainian conscription
>Ukraine is completely funded, and armed by NATO
>NATO mercenaries, generals, arms, intel, and training
>No air superiority, it's traditional trench warfare, so lines move at snail pace
Everything else is cope.

>>513480789
conscription is a much bigger deal than people credit it. US mil dogma is no compulsory service because the quality of troops is utter trash and it compromises the mission at every step