Thread 513528494

It's been 2 years since this dude got killed for being the dumbest motherfucker of all time.
How can you have the power of a private militia, make your way to the gates of Moscow with no resistance whatsoever, and then just give up right before taking over the city and succeeding in a military coup?
This guy could've ended the Russian-Ukraine war 2 years ago. He could have changed the course of Russian history forever. He could've had Putin killed and taken over the country.
What the fuck made him change his mind?

>>513528494 (OP)
Jews

>>513528494 (OP)
God didn't want Russia to lose, Putin must live for some reason.

>>513528494 (OP)
>make your way to the gates of Moscow with no resistance whatsoever
kek, sure no losses for russia

>>513528494 (OP)
The kikes of the world don't want the war to end

>>513528494 (OP)
Guy is probably screwing off in Africa somewhere like he was after his last "death".

It was an impressive effort but the defensive ring around Moscow probably would have fucked him.

He was already a dead man by Rostov so he probably should have kept going anyway. Obviously, he was a dead man a couple of month after so he really gained nothing by surrendering.

He may have been too stupid to understand the consequences of his actions. It happens from time to time.

If Europe was going to push Russia's shit in, that would have been the time. Just roll on in, Moscow would have fallen for sure.

>>513528645
based

>>513528494 (OP)
>What the fuck made him change his mind?
he negotiated, rumors were he was paid hefty by NATO and after he made a deal with Putin, that would mean that he would keep the money and have Putin on his side, he got death instead

This fiasco proved the media are putrid whores. The narrative about him changed overnight.

>oy vey this wagner guy worst guy in the world like hitler with manditory man rape

>oy vey look at this brave hero fighting for freedom and free cookies!

>>513528494 (OP)
it was a psyop to trick ukrainins and retarded western shills into thinking there is a rebellion.
in reality they just used the chaos to move troops around.
also Prigozhin never even marched on Moscow, as it turned out the Guy was the entire time in Rostov drinking tea.
Prigozhin is truly a master of psyops, can make his enemies believe anything.

>>513528494 (OP)
There are many like this, just wait until Putin is gone.

>>513528494 (OP)
they had members of his family. and were threatening to do awful things to them.
he surrendered to protect them

>>513529865
>he negotiated, rumors were he was paid hefty by NATO

Cool it with the delusion, dude.

>the defensive ring around Moscow probably would have fucked him.
Lol, in your delusion, dude.

>He may have been too stupid to understand the consequences of his actions. It happens from time to time.
But enough about p*tin the moron.
>If Europe was going to push Russia's shit in, that would have been the time. Just roll on in, Moscow would have fallen for sure.
No, the West isn't fighting Russia, fortunately for the latter by the way.

>>513532298
I was thinking the same thing until the jet attacked the convoy. I guess its possible not everyone was briefed.

>>513528645
/thread

>>513528494 (OP)
He believed in Good Czar, Bad Boyars. Too bad it was Bad Czar, Bad Boyars all along.

>>513532873
Oh look its a scumbag shill
>the West isn't fighting Russia,

>https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nato-command-germany-assist-ukraine-is-up-running-says-rutte-2024-12-18/

nobody knows why he did this

>>513532920
Russian serf sacrifices are acceptable. If Russia loses 10, 20, 100 thousand men in a operation but takes the city it is a good operation. Soldiers exist to kill and die.

>>513528494 (OP)
Fairly certain is was a fake coup by Putin and Prigozhin to draw out enemies from within, after which Putin had Prigozhin "killed" only to set him up somewhere quiet for retirement.

>>513528494 (OP)
he was killed because he figured out the war was fake and just a tool concocted for genocide and territory clearing
but I don't think he was a good guy, I think he just wanted to wrestle power from Putin and continue with it

>>513533002
By that logic israel defeated russia in june

>>513531856
What fucking planet do you live on?
The latter never happened.

>>513533460
What.logic faggot?
How the fuck you think long range attacks are guided?

>>513528494 (OP)
Nobody would be dumb enough to fly a plane after doing that, even Prighozin. Whole thing is 9/11 level of retardation, but this time for Russians to eat it up. He's either retired somewhere or got 2 in the back of the head for outliving his usefulness you guys are naive mouth breathers.

>>513528494 (OP)
>How can you have the power of a private militia

Because the "Power of a private militia" is jack fuckign shit compared to an actual military? Do you really believe Putin of all people would allow a potential rival to build up enough power to successfully oust him?

>make your way to the gates of Moscow with no resistance whatsoever

Before "the gates of Moscow" theres nothing but empty land and a few peasant huts. Why do you make this out to be some achievent?

>This guy could've ended the Russian-Ukraine war 2 years ago

What kind of retarded Zigger cope is this lmao

>>513533490
Ok troon shill
Imaging defending the media here

>https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/prigozhin-fighters-angry-wagner-rebellion-russia-rcna91092

>Wagner mercenary group chief Yevgeny Prigozhin trafficked in fury to cultivate his status as a public champion of the legions of hard-line pro-war voices who were disillusioned with Russia’s military leadership. But now the explosion of his bitter feud into a fast-aborted rebellion has fueled fury of its own.

>>513528494 (OP)
>What the fuck made him change his mind?
Bro must have really liked the status quo. He proved it really is that easy to just march upon the russian capitol, why hasnt ukraine tried it?

>>513528494 (OP)
>It's been 2 years since this dude got killed for being the dumbest motherfucker of all time.
NO, it was a military maneuver.
A theater.
>How can you have the power of a private militia, make your way to the gates of Moscow with no resistance whatsoever,
Because it was a media lie. A theater.
They were trying to bait dumb hohols and Nato into advancing, and then trap and kill them all.
Wagner succeeded.

>>513532298
>it was a psyop to trick ukrainins and retarded western shills into thinking there is a rebellion.
>in reality they just used the chaos to move troops around.
This.

>>513529724
Lmao
Use a meme flag for tard posting next time tho

>>513533558
so ukraine is fighting
>china
>iran
>north korea
wow

My heart aches for the lost kino potential
He deserved his fate for cucking out and turning around.

>>513528494 (OP)
Question is why did he go on Moscow in the first place. It was the most retarded way of impressing tsar and being promoted above Shoigu/Gerasimov, but that was probably Prigozhin's intention.

He probably underestimated disintegration of the Russian state. He expected some opposition and negotiations before reaching Moscow. I mean few thousand man going several hundred of kilometers, right on empire's capital, not stopped by anyone - crazy, right?

Instead Putin just left, leaving Prigo open gates and empty throne, which was just too much to chew for simple prison bitch. He wanted to be elevated on ladder of warlords, not being tsar himself.

>>513535503
Rumor is that he was hoping for hardliner support within the Kremlin but it didn't materialize
If he kept going it probably would have ended pretty quickly in a messy shootout in the outskirts of Moscow

>>513535646
he wanted a clean win with overwhelming support, not a civil war.
he made the right call at the end if not the beginning, but hindsight is 20/20

>>513535646
>If he kept going it probably would have ended pretty quickly in a messy shootout in the outskirts of Moscow
Wagnerites were in the outskirts of Moscow and every Moscovian officer (from military and police) was ordered to stand down. Way to tsar's throne was open, but for narrow minded Prigozhin it was probably just too much, because he never dreamed of it and just wasn't prepared.

There was attempt of stopping Wagner's march with airforce (jet was shot down by Wagner), but that was before they reached outskirts of Moscow. If Russian military had any intention of stopping Wagner forces at any time, it would be it.

If there was anyone on Kremlin who intended to help Prigozhin to take over, chickening out was very stupid idea (literally what Prigo did and what caused his death). Purge will come anyway and if there was other overmind of entire operation, he wouldn't be that stupid to back off at the very last moment.

>>513528494 (OP)
You do realize the majority of wagner would never fucking side with killing Putin right…
Also wagner would not just pull out of the Ukraine
Donbass detatchment 1 were literally nicknamed Utkin’s “SS”

>>513537545
Completely false
Wagner never made it to Moscow oblast
The truth was that Rosguard were loyal to Putin and had began fortifying the city and government buildings preparing to kill the Wagnerites

>>513528494 (OP)
Russia is not controlled by anything reasonable and is just a mafia state. Prigo didn't have the support of that mafia as seen when they all fled to st Petersburg.

The Metal Gear Solid V larp was dedicated

>>513538765
>The truth was that Rosguard were loyal to Putin and had began fortifying the city and government buildings preparing to kill the Wagnerites
Rosguard is security force that specializes in riot control, some counter terrorism operations and backline security. They rarely see fighting and they would be a mere speedbump for Prigozhin.

>>513538765
>Wagner never made it to Moscow oblast
I don't want to sound like a Russian, but I'd love to see your sources on that. Wagnerites claim otherwise and everyone in power fled from Moscow for some reason.
>The truth was that Rosguard were loyal to Putin and had began fortifying the city and government buildings preparing to kill the Wagnerites
Rosguard is laughing stock of Russian military. Moscow could as well be guarded by organization of Moscovian mall guards.

>>513528494 (OP)
No he couldn't have. He had no logistics. There's a reason why he backed down.

>>513528494 (OP)
Keep rewriting the history. That'll make it real. You are an imbecile.

It was pretty US American of the Russian Federation not to keep the agreement and instead shooting down the Wagner plane.

>>513539995
he backed down because he was offered a deal and then backstabbed
if he knew how he'd end up I'm certain he'd kamikaze himself into Moscow

>>513529724
The fuck Rosgvardia and FSB were supposed to do against heavy armor

>>513539306
Rosguard is national guard moron
Learn about 2016 reforms

>>513539616
They made it to the border of Moscow oblast sure
The city, no
>Rosguard is laughing stock
>literally takes part in SMO
K

>>513540757
>Rosguard is national guard moron
so? it still doesn't make my statement any less true
they wouldn't stand a chance against battle hardened, armor heavy wagnerites

He crossed the rubicon, and then thought he could say sorry and live. Julius caesar would have never done that stupid shit.

>>513528494 (OP)
>What the fuck made him change his mind?
the military didn't rise up with him like he expected.

>>513540484
>The fuck Rosgvardia and FSB were supposed to do against heavy armor
Psychological warfare. FSB by finding who's behind heavy armor, where they families are and making personal threats.
Rosguard by splashing their bodies against the armor and making Wagnerites feel weird.
Probably what actually happened and why Wagnerites stopped.

>>513528494 (OP)
the rebellion was fake, it was a show in order to switch Wagner to contracts with Russian army
also Prigozhin made a video about switching to Africa
he was harmless and useful to Putin, but foreign intel services would of course want to get him
so my bet is on them

the telegram clout got to his head

>>513528494 (OP)
Bought by jews

>>513528494 (OP)
they matched his price. gentiles are fools who will inevitably get themselves fleeced and then killed. but the right amount of money and his shitbag descendants are set

>>513533998
>posterboy for militarists in favour of escalating the conflict
>"brave hero fighting for freedom and free cookies"
Are you fucking illiterate? Actual God damn idiot.

His vehicles were disabled by the chips. All he could think to do was say he was only trying to return ammo. Lmao.

>>513541512
>the rebellion was fake, it was a show in order to switch Wagner to contracts with Russian army
seems like insane and very lengthy way to go on about it, especially when you take in account attack helicopter and fighter jet got shot down trying to stop them
>also Prigozhin made a video about switching to Africa
why doesn't he show himself in public anymore?
all he had to do was say "sorry boys Im too old for this shit, Im leaving" and that would be way faster and trouble free than this retard-fest we got

>>513540757
>literally takes part in SMO
Literally where they proved their reputation of being laughing stock. But it's not their fault - they were sent there for riot control over civilian population. Nobody told them Ukrainians will actually shoot at them.

>>513533223
Only sane answer itt.

>>513528494 (OP)
Look at him retard. It's a jew playing in jewish theatre. The remnant's teeth didn't match the photos, yet weirdly all the media that hate Russia never questioned for a second if the information it released was true. Weird hug? Jewish whores

>>513541753
If he looks gentile to you then you need to lurk for two years before posting dumbfuck

>>513533223
>>513542234
Blowing his cover before sending him for this "retirement" was dick move on Putin's behalf.

>>513541950
Seems like you don't know shit about psyops

>>513528494 (OP)

One of the weirdest events in this whole affair. Also kind of crazy how irrelevant it was. At the time I was just like “holy shit Russia is such an embarrassing shitshow it’s literally over”. Now looking back on it, the whole thing was a largely irrelevant blip, at most a footnote in the war.

It will be interesting reading about what historians really think happened, years from now when I’m an old man. Makes me wonder what did people in America think about for example the Night of the Long Knives when it actually happened vs what we know today decades later after the whole thing is over.

>>513542809
>durrr we need to make a psyop because.. we just need ok?!
why? why couldn't he just leave then? why go on about it in so retarded and lengthy way?

>>513528494 (OP)
He wasn't ending the war. He won a pissing contest with the Kremlin. Every decent leader knows if you want things done you have to put a gun to the other guys head. That's the essence of man's power.

It's called crashing out.
Remember we had a martial law situation for 3 hours.

>>513542964
couldn't care less about jewish theatre midwit

>>513542924
>Now looking back on it, the whole thing was a largely irrelevant blip, at most a footnote in the war.
Because it was burried by both Russians and governments of NATO countries. Collapse of Russian state doesn't suit American interests and reminding people how close it can be, helps nothing.

Even European governments don't want their people to remember it, because it makes the need to increase military spendings much more difficult to explain, when boogeyman is a retard who trips over his own feet.

>>513543671
>rebelion was fake because Prigo wanted to quit anyway
>seems retarded
>no it isn't, it's a psyop
>what's the purpose of this psyop
>idk lol

Hes In the Bahamas with hitler sipping a coconut with a straw.

>>513543870
You're an obnoxious ignorant cunt, most likely a jewish whore. Go back to r*ddit

>>513528494 (OP)
It was all theater.

>>513544379
>reeeee yur bad!!
maybe don't make claims you can't even back up with common sense reasoning

>>513544426
>It was all theater.

This, He's probably living in a nice house in Tel Aviv....

Jew vs Jew and Gentiles are the pawns....

>>513544426
>t was all theater.
what could possibly be the purpose of it? what was there to gain by doing it?

>>513533794
>Because the "Power of a private militia" is jack fuckign shit compared to an actual military?
Kek, this is Russia we are talking about. What military?

>>513545116
Purges and reorganization of Russian military. Reaction to all this greatly helped to decide who should fall out of the window

>>513545308
and Putin painting himself as backstabbing cunt that offers a peace deal and then sends BUK missile after you the moment you leave?
I don't think this is the kind of message you want to broadcast to your subordinates - that there's no reasoning with you.

>>513528494 (OP)
His family's still alive now.

>>513528494 (OP)
He would have gotten the Nobel peace prize

pringles was jewish.
he filmed the massive losses vatniks were taking on a 24 hour basis.
vatniks never recovered from this.

>>513545712
>I don't think this is the kind of message you want to broadcast to your subordinates - that there's no reasoning with you.
Message is if you go against Putin, you won't come out alive. What is the point of having people in your circle who think they can control and outplay you?

>>513546129
>stop focusing on how he died!
>the most important thing is that he crossed Putin and now he's dead!!
cope
Putin lied to his face about letting him go and then he backstabbed him
rat behavior

>>513528494 (OP)
The way I see it is that Prigozhin was simply too popular for Putin's liking. When the rebellion started nobody was talking shit about them and many were outright optimistic about it. It showed who the people support and Putin really didn't like it.
Before it started Putin was purposefully sending less and less munitions and hardware to Wagner so the Ukrainians would grind them down. Putin was plotting the downfall of Wagner for a while and it's really insane because his PMC still made the most gains up to this day by area. It's probably all the generals around Putin being asshurt at Prigo for "stealing" all the glory from them which is why this feud started. The more I look at this whole SMO clusterfuck the more I realize that russian generals are extremely greedy and willing to throw peoples lives away just so they can have the honor of having their name written in the books as conqueror rather than competing general from other army. Russians treating conquest as competition sport is honestly nothing new, they did same shit when going for Berlin and were pretty open about it. Stalin deliberately didn't decide on which of his generals was supposed to take the city and was like "whoever captures it gets to keep it" which resulted in insane meat-wave offensives to soothe egos of generals.

>>513528494 (OP)
Who the fuck knows. His case is the most interesting. I think US had him interested and he obviously had friends on the inside, he was a billionaire. I think he got stabed in the back by his friends. If his rule was not acknowledged as legitimate then it would've been pointless.

Another interesting case is Taliban. I think US didn't "flee" afghanistan. I think they achieved their goals and taliban is loyal to US. US sanctions venezuela, NK, iraq (important), but not afghanistan. Curious. They even send them "aid". I think the new taliban, ISIS-K is CIA coded.