Thread 513533073

Well, /pol/, does he have a shot at not burning in Hell?
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/19/us/politics/trump-heaven.html
https://archive.is/b7K2u

Americans under 30 are so miserable that the U.S. just fell to a historically low ranking in the world happiness report

That seems like a pretty bad thing to have done to them

first of all, heaven doesnt exist. secondly, all you have to do to get to "heaven" is to just recant on your death bed

>>513533073 (OP)
>I want to try
first mistake, we can’t get to heaven on our own. it’s only through belief in jesus christ as lord that will grant us access into heaven. jesus did all the work for me. my own good works are offensive to god

>>513533273
>my own good works are offensive to god
So are you saying Jesus is evil?

>>513533207
>is to just recant on your death bed
That's a myth perpetuated by nihilists trying to game the system. An all knowing entity knows exactly if you are actually good person or if you go to hell, no matter how many rituals of lip service you perform.

All the church says is that they will do anything to help you save your soul, no matter how miniscule or hopeless, including taking a last minute conversion or confession, because not doing so would be failing their mission.

That’s ironic for the guy who never put his on the Bible but preaches how God saved him and also can’t remember or wants to forget who Jeffrey Epstein is

child molesters go straight into the lake of fire

Unless he’s not a Christcuck where they need and have a hell and kikes get subversion hell and heaven.

If the Christian canon is real I think if Trump meets God I think God should simply say “Jeffery Epstein?”

>>513533073 (OP)
Camel through the eye of a needle.
>>513533192
God is punishing us and Trump is the instrument of his wrath.

>>513533073 (OP)
Yeah it's just faith in Christ - rich people typically fail the first step though (admitting they can't get into heaven by their own good works, because of their sin)

I wonder if Trump has such a high ego that he would lie to his maker who made made and time and space and everything and everything

>>513533480
Isn't he just covering for mossad

>>513533273
This is blasphemy. Straight to hell.

Spoiler alert he doesn't make it

>>513533073 (OP)
>covers up pedophilia
>assists genocide
Satan's going to make Trump his personal bitch boy

I guess we find out when we enter lights out if you’re turned off forever go to hell go to heaven or other right creator?

>>513533640
Do you think he's worried about hell because of the south park thing with him and Satan? Keep in mind Trump has always been obsessed with tv and his image. He 10o% knows about it. The white house put out a statement on it ffs.

>>513533640
>He thinks Satan rules hell
Pagan meme, Satan is on the earth and will be tormented in hell some day.

>>513533360
nope. i’m in inherently sinful and thus evil. i’m incapable of producing actual “good works” as god who is inherently good, holy, and just sees it. the only good work god will accept is what his son did on calvery’s cross. once i believe in that very same work jesus did and believe in jesus as lord, i am clothed with the righteousness of christ and through him my access into heaven is guaranteed and secured

>>513533640
>reee genocide
Leftists are always so histrionic.

>>513533828
Shalom!

>>513533073 (OP)
I probably been smokin' and drinkin', saying what the fuck I been thinkin'
Oh, Jesus, they just let him off the leash and now he aimin' for your head
Put the old people, children, and women to bed
Heard JID walkin' 'round with the infrared
Bruh done went off the edge
Don't be scared, we could save 'em and talk him back off the ledge
If it's beef, eating flesh, he turn into a Tyrannosaurus rex
Give a FUCK about who you said was up next and up now

>Switch teams to Karaite or Netueri Karta. This is your last sign.

>>513533073 (OP)
>try
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast

captcha:masss

>>513533819
This why im glad im Zoroastrian.
I dont need a middleman between me and god.

>>513533273
Are you scrupulous in trying to imitate our Lord, or do you just keep in your head "I believe in Jesus" while changing fuckall about how you interact with the world

>>513533848
>ur a jew
Nope as i said im Zoroastrian.
The holocaust is a fraud, and memeflaggots deserve to be sawn in half from the bottom up.

>>513533936
>go on 4chan
>cry about anonimity
May I suggest r/Israel?

>>513533073 (OP)
the question is does God accept pro kike pedophiles into the kingdom or not?

>>513533994
Do jews even believe in heaven?

>>513533073 (OP)
Release the naughty list and he goes to heaven, ezpz.

>>513533975
>reeee jew reeeee
Holy fucking shit muhammed. How obsessed can you be.

>>513533192
Biden did that. Trump is trying to fix it.

>>513534016
They do and they don’t have a hell. Christian’s (the good guys?) have one.

>>513533073 (OP)
the pedo butt-buddy of satan thinks he can get into heaven
kek

>>513533073 (OP)

dissociated religious retards should not be allowed to participate in politics.

we need optimistic nihilist philosophers, not baby cocksucking wallkissing schizos.

congress should be required to hold public psychedelic ceremonies once a year. if you cant handle your own mind, you're fucking out.

>>513533612
he jumped into the epstein mosssad honeypot in the 1990s when he just a regular nepo baby chomo, they used him to groom kids from his underage beauty pageants for the lex wesnar victoria secret underage hooker conveyer belt, this was decades before he decided to serve the pedo cabal in politics by turning the republican party into the israel first pedo first shitshow he made it

>how come the villains of the story don’t a hell but hero’s do. Wait that means it’s so I can punish my enemies. I love punishing the jews God made

Alternate timeline where it’s the opposite

>how come those jews have a hell and the christian’s don’t? Christianity is much better because God forgives no matter what. No pain. Endless freedom

I think the real deal doesn’t owe us a thing just because we wrote it on 4chan

>>513533073 (OP)
the only he could redeem himself if he nuked pissrael off the map

Or rather Earth in a way. People scream on the stage walls of Earth they did not make but claim their the true religion. 5000 Gods in attendance yet I don’t see on sitting. Just people once again screaming at each other. They acknowledge they didn’t make the stage or rather earth but they claim then drawing into dah holy books is God when they drew it and they’re so limited. God needs God to save me from God and things God made because Adam and Eve can make choices to make choices or tricked in a world without freewill for everyone.

>>513533273
Your right, but...
>my own good works are offensive to god
I wouldn't go that far. Being "good" should come naturally to you if you believe in Jesus. It doesn't buy you into heaven, but its not offensive either. It can be sign that your faith is real and that you truly do love God. Ideally doing the right thing when no one but God is watching and not parading your deeds so everyone else can see how "good" you are. Its a bit like a child trying to impress their parents with a crude drawing of a stickman. Its not a good drawing, but you know they love their parents for trying to do something for them.

People did make earth so God exist but them drawing on the fucking stage is not God

>>513534513
*didnt

>>513534206
Beauty pageants are a pretty normal American tradition, the winners getting a modelling gig is also not strange. Not sure who lex wesnar is. Were there any confirmed misdoings in these pageants he ran?
>turning the republican party into the israel first pedo first shitshow he made it
no they've always been like that, the "neo-con warhawks" who preceded him were exactly like this.

>>513534626
>Were there any confirmed misdoings in these pageants he ran?
Yes.

>>513533640
>Satan's going to make Trump his personal bitch boy
Satan doesn't rule in Hell, he burns in Hell forever with his kike children.
>9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 14

>arrives at gates of heaven
>angel standing there with pen
>"ahh mr drumpf, please fill out this form and we'll process your application"
>question 1: "Did you bring the Epstein files with you?"

>>513534626
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/a-timeline-of-donald-trumps-creepiness-while-he-owned-miss-universe-191860/
nothing that bad, old man sort of stuff
>The first Miss Universe crowned on Trump’s watch was Miss Venezuela, Alicia Machado. Hillary Clinton famously invoked Trump’s treatment of Machado during the first presidential debate. Machado remembers him calling her “Miss Piggy” because she gained weight and “Miss Housekeeping” because she’s Latina.
Lol

>>513534914
Walking in while the contestants were changing to "inspect" that everything is running smoothly is the worst thing listed, everything else just comes off as good business practice and whining that he reduced the feminist aspects of the pageants

>>513534063
>if you don't celebrate Israel's behavior you're a muslimmmmmmmmmmm
>claims to be a zoroastrian, sides with those who would happily nuke Iran

>>513534626
guy on the left did the dirt guy on the right funded the private jet, the island, basically gave the guy on the left power of attorney over all his money
les also wrote so many cheques to the republican governors association that he was able to turn the state of florida into a child rape factory, at least 1000 schoolgirls within walking distance of mar a logo
acosta gave epstein club fed when a detective named retcarey uncovered what they were doing but les and everyone else got immunity from prosecution
later pam bondi came alone and made sure nobody went after epstein again, oh and retcarey got arkancided
americans are literally rape cattle at this point and have been for decades

>>513534063
>bootlicks Israel
>if you oppose Israel you're "mohammad"
>i'm a zoroastrian but I support those who would nuke Iran

>>513534742
I always interpreted Satan "ruling" Hell in the same sense as the gang leader "rules" the prison.

>>513533073 (OP)
There is no objective afterlife but your own invention. There's no reincarnation, this is it for you.
Knowing him, his afterlife will actually be total world domination and endless 9yo rapes with his buddy Epstein.

Your only chance to hold people like him accountable and make him feel pain is right now in this window of existence. He and others like him have already propagated their seed and culture, so the cycle of suffering will continue.

Your only cope is to believe that karma exists and that the universe could actually inflict pain on him after he dies. lolno, that's never how it worked.

They live like kings because you allow them to, off your own back.

>>513535208
I support nuking the whole region and routing out the money changer diaspora.

>>513533207
Trump doesn't even believe in heaven or hell, everything he says is just for show.

>>513533073 (OP)
Pedos don't go to heaven.

>>513533819
So feeding a starving person (lets assume for the sake of your polemics that nobody sees it and its done in secret) is not a good work?

>>513533073 (OP)
the entire point of Heaven is that you dont deserve it and cant work for it.
Jesus died for you so your debt it paid and being imputed as righteous by repentance, faith in his sacrifice and a new heart born of the Holy Spirit.
no human can do that on his own if its not from God.

but I guess "working yourself into heaven" is some roman pagan thing people in funny clothes that claim to be the equivalent of Christ on earth and praying to some queen of heaven teach you in mainstream guilt based religion.

>>513535937
who gave you the abundance to give to the needy in the first place?
all good works are done by Christ, not on your own.

>>513533880
if its not through Jesus Christ its not God but satan.

>>513534424
unless you do the work the Father has preordained for you to do before creation you will draw stickman all your life.
the magnum opus of your purpose is what God does through you so you cant boast.

>>513534117
Shut up bruce. Biden didn't start the money printer or operation warp speed.

>>513534124
>they don’t have a hell
they have sheol which is basically hell.

>>513533207
>just recant on your death bed
Lol, no.

>>513535532
Thank God you mentally ill retards are vaxxed.

>>513533073 (OP)
Trump
> Rich asshole in league with the synagogue of satan.
> At least protects child rapists and murderers.
> constantly lies and backstabs good people to get vanity ego filling harmful to peoples accomplishments.
> complicit in the genocide of Palestinians.

Go to heaven? Hmmmmm

>>513533073 (OP)
Trump thinks heaven is the chabad tunnels under Crown Heights

>>513533073 (OP)

Well he has achieve immortality

>>513533073 (OP)
So he isn't saved.
What a surprise

If he genuinely wants to go to Heaven, then he better get rid of the demons infesting DC

>>513535030
They gloss over the part where contestants were sent to the rape island. It wasn't widely reported because those women were basically disappeared by Mossad and whenever one of them tries to speak up over the past 20 years they're silenced. That's why Trump won't release the files.

>>513533073 (OP)
Nuke Israel get redemption. For real.

>>513536820
That's not very nice. I don't think you deserve to go to Heaven anon. You'll reincarnate into a living abortion with microencephaly, the product of AIDS

>>513537581
I don’t know what Jesus was thinking when he agreed to incarnate and try to save retards like you.

we are one with the Hate machine.

>>513533073 (OP)
So he can build a casino.

>>513537947
Maybe it's to change your mindset. Nobody deserves what they're born with and they take the rest from others by coercion or force. It's just random chance. Nobody is righteous. Nobody will save you. We should care for each other right now and destroy the gluttons of civilization that cause undue suffering. We already know where and why the system fails but the government won't let free market run its course because there is no such thing.

>>513533207
Not how it works, the inner state of the heart is important, not empty words. A true inner change will just inspire a need and desire to express it

>>513533640
Stop perpetuating the image of hell as a place where satan is rewarded continuously and gets to delight in sadism, the lake of fire is his punishment

>>513533207
>this is what protescucks believe

>>513536348
If that’s the case then the sins of the desperate were given to them by God.

>>513533073 (OP)
So we're going to war? Finally

>>513535242
He is called prince of 'this world' aka the fucked up manner of existing on Earth we currently deal with

>>513538725
you dont have to sin if you put your faith into God even if you are desperate.
thats the entire point of it. God doesnt tempt you to sin.

>>513533073 (OP)
He’d have to become a Christian and renounce his Jewish faith

>>513533192
That’s mostly because of the Internet and screen addiction

>>513533207
Heaven exists but you have no say or influence in whether you're in or NGMI
t. chad calvanist

>>513538876
So the good stuff is all God and the bad stuff is all the fault of the individual, huh?

>>513533273
Calvinist nonsense.

>>513533073 (OP)
>Man in control of US military and nuclear weapons:
>"I want to go to heaven."

>>513533480
This.

>>513533207
>all you have to do to get to "heaven" is to just recant on your death bed
Protestant heresy.

>>513539001
death came into the world by sin of one man, not of God.

>>513533566
More Calvinist nonsense.
It’s not “faith in Christ” it’s “faithfullness to Christ”. This is why all American hillbilly evangelicals are degenerate freaks. They think they can just say they love Jesus with all their heart and then they’re good.
Your works are your faith. If you don’t DO the things Christ commands how can you say you are faithful? Just by believing really really hard?

>>513539116
its not protestant teaching. its an atheist argument.

>>513539144
God made Adam do it. Omnipotence is a bitch in mythology.

>>513533273
>my own good works are offensive to god
This is a crass misunderstanding of what the Bible calls "unmerited mercy".
It means that, contrary to what Jews believed, it was not possible to "earn" the mercy that God gives by doing good works.
Nonetheless, being a follower of Jesus DOES require good works. After all "faith without works is dead". This is not a contradiction to other parts of the Bible which says that works of the Law (i.e. Mosaic Law) do not ear the right to redemption

>>513533073 (OP)
>You need to love the people pretending to be the murderers of the Son of God to be allowed into heaven by God.
Makes perfect sense, sure, right...

>>513533073 (OP)
Rich folx don't go to heaven. Especially politicians.

>>513539226
God told Adam to have dominion over all the earth and all animals and to knock up his wife. thats all that was to a perfect life in paradise.
God didnt tempt Adam to sin, but gave him one commandment.

>>513539215
>Calvinist nonsense
>they love Jesus with all their heart
Still better than what most Catholic priests love and then try to cover it up... wouldn't you agree?

>>513533073 (OP)
Modern theology brought us the idea that a mass murderer can get into heaven by apologizing at the last second, so why not

>>513539226
>God made Adam do it. Omnipotence is a bitch in mythology.
You misunderstand omnipotence. "God cannot try anyone with wicked things nor is he himself ever tried by them" according to James.
Thus, it cannot be that God caused Adam to sin. Instead it was Adam who became wicked, as Satan did. Satan "did not stand firm in the truth" which caused him to become Satan, even though he used to be a perfect angel before.

God does not interfere with our free will, nor did he create us to be mindless robots.

>>513539215
>>513539243
Ephesians 2
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

you dont get to chose the works you do. God chose your works for you before creation. you act them out naturally when presenting your life a living sacrifice for God.

>>513539291
This interpretation of God casts him as something of a helpless kinda fella, doesn’t it?

>>513539388
If this is the case then acts of man that are good are, in fact, good innately, and man is capable of good acts on his own.

>>513539450
>God casts him as something of a helpless kinda fella
having dominion over the entire earth doesnt sound helpless to me.
before the fall Adam named all animals without a problem. yet modern scientist have to create genealogies and obscure classifications to name a single bug.
Adam was far ahead of us when it came to running earth before his fall.

>>513539604
Him being God, not Adam.

>>513539434
>you dont get to chose the works you do.
That implies that if I do wicked things, it was God's plan all along. Sounds wrong.
Maybe he gives me the choice to work on good things that he prepared for me in advance, but does not force me to.

>>513539450
How does that sound helpless? God created literally the entire universe from nothing. How could God who is this powerful be helpless.

...
nvm. you are talking about Adam?
Well, he was "a little below the angels", lived eternally, perfect mind, perfect body. Think of the 10 smartest genuises you know. 10x that. 100x that. Probably not even close to how smart Adam could have been.

>>513539565
>man is capable of good acts on his own.
Of course. After all we were created in the image of God. 6000 years of downfall has left us prone to sin and disobedience, but humans can and do chose to do good.

>>513533207
>it's not real!!!!!!!
>also here's how you get there...
Absolute peak cope

>>513535937
He meant "good work" as in one that cancels out a sinful act. He just said it in an awkward way.
Most people don't realize this but the Israelites couldn't make a sacrifice to God that undid sins deserving capital punishment. The "sin offerings" were incredibly limited in scope and basically only for minor offenses.

>>513533073 (OP)
that time zion don the hebrew con helped the israeli terrorists inject over 4 billion humans: men, woman, and children, with a vaccine designed to render their descendants sterile. bibi satanyahu has little syringe model up on a shelf next to one of a missile.

>>513533073 (OP)
>Thats why I suck Kike dick and give them bombs to blast children away
Directly to the lowest part of hell

>>513539750
Oh, you weren’t following the thread. This started when other anons were insisting that even good acts are inherently sinful because man cannot do good.

>>513539700
so you think God didnt know beforehand what would happen?
do you think God threw his hands up the air and went for plan B?
the entire point of scripture is that we are man, not God. only God is God, and only he is good. he gives scripture, he fulfills scripture, he makes heaven and earth anew, he casts satan into the fire etc.
we are participants in Gods greatness. how does that convey a picture of helplessness on the side of God. all existence on earth is infinitely small when you think in terms of eternity. 80 years of life is like a blip, a second at best.

>>513535740
I think getting shot changed him. He is different than 2016

>>513539750
>That implies that if I do wicked things, it was God's plan all along.
when they lead to repentance and a changed hearth they do. everyone is a sinner, there is no one blameless or righteous. all wickedness on mans part is to show how crooked we are in the first place, that we need a savior and salvation from our own evil nature.

>>513533073 (OP)
>not burning in hell
>a jew convert
Impossible.

>>513537510
He literally threw a fit on tv two weeks ago because Epstein took Virginia Guffrie from his place. After that happened he is on record going to the prosecutors.

>>513539900
>good acts are inherently sinful because man cannot do good
the road to hell in paved by good intentions. you "good" works wouldnt seem that way if the bad consequences were obvious to you down the line.
what we define as good is arbitrary in the grand scheme of things and most likely the opposite of God commanded us to do.
men forming together after the flood to create a beautiful city and golden age may seem good to us at the moment but is condemned by God because of the long time implications we dont see. humans are just to limited in their fallen nature, that why you need to rely on God for good works, and then its not us but him doing the work.

>>513540047
I agree with 90-95% of what you post, but there is always a detail that I cannot agree on, based on my own study of the Bible.
If God causes me to do wicked things, even if this later leads to repentance etc. He would in fact be "tempting me with evil things", a contradiction to James. If however, because I am born sinner, I sin but repent, the outcome is the same but without the need to "blame" God for my sins.

>>513533073 (OP)
ha

I know if I was running Heaven, the foremost pathological liar of his generation would get through the vip door.

>>513533073 (OP)
>billionaire thinks he can into heaven
Isn't this explicitly said to be impossible?

>>513533073 (OP)
Christcucks are so stupid they all need to be castrated so they may not spread their disgusting genes.

>>513540370
Why do you think his kids have all the money now and he is spending quarter of a billion dollars to build dance hall and restore the white house

>>513540305
>He would in fact be "tempting me with evil things"
no. did he tempt Adam when he allowed the tree of knowlegde of good and evil to exist? ofc not, it was Eve that was tempted by satan.
the same goes for you. you are born into a world currently ruled by satan. God willingly lets you get exposed to it in the knowledge that you will get tempted by satan. its the nature of the fallen flesh, nobody is immune besides God himself.
the ultimate victory is that God carried the punishment that was due to you for falling for satans temptations so you are blameless no matter how much or grave your sin is.
evil was allowed into the world by God through temptation and evil was cast from the world by the blood of Christ. its a closed book at this point. from an eternal standpoint sin and evil never existed in the first place which origin was outside of God in the first place.

>>513533207
the eternally retarded eurocuck with their hot take appears

>>513540370
Nebuchadnezzar made it, so statistically he's got like a 1/100 000 000 000 chance. There's one or two ridiculously big needles I guess.
Rich people are self-reliant/responsible, so they're less likely to see the need for salvation.
I still think God saved Trump's life for a reason.

>>513533207
>doesn’t think heaven exists
>thinks he knows what to do to get there
it’s just believing on the Lord Jesus that gets you to heaven btw

>>513540855
Neb lived like an animal for 7 years before being granted his sanity back.
>I still think God saved Trump's life for a reason.
falling this easy for signs and wonders?

>>513540597
>you are born into a world currently ruled by satan. God willingly lets you get exposed to it in the knowledge that you will get tempted by satan. its the nature of the fallen flesh, nobody is immune besides God himself.
Oh good, so we are on the same page wrt. this idea.

>evil was allowed into the world by God through temptation and evil was cast from the world by the blood of Christ.
also fully agree

>you are blameless no matter how much or grave your sin is.
nitpicking here: If I willingly sin "practice " sin, as the Bible writes it, or if I sin against the Holy Spirit (as Judas did) then there is no sacrifice left for me.
This idea that I can sin WILLINGLY as much as I want because the blood of Christ is stronger, is debunked in the Bible already. IIRC in the letter to the Corinthians

>>513540370
no, its just unlikely "came through the eye of a needle" was one of many hyperboles that Jesus used to emphasise his points.

>>513540855
Nebuchadnezzar is not in heaven. People going to heaven heaven became only possible after Jesus death. He himself said that, for example, John the Baptist would not be in the Kingdom of Heaven, even though he was "great" on earth.
People who died before that time are in the "memory tombs" waiting to be resurrected on earth, once paradise is restored, according to Revelation.

>>513540305

God doesn't "force" you to commit sin. He allows you to. If you feel tempted to sin, this is just the reality of existing in the flesh. If you feel justified in your sin this is the enemy. God only forces you to make the tough decision. Because of His grace, he also allows you to repent of your sin provided your repentance is done in earnest, and you make genuine efforts to turn away from all sin moving forward. God is good. Follow him. Walk with him. I promise, in time, your life will drastically improve in every area. Notice I didn't say life would get easier...

>>513541070
Heresy

>>513533073 (OP)
You can't earn your way into heaven. Trump's going to hell unless he asks Jesus for redemption. The path to heaven is narrow.

>>513541180
>God doesn't "force" you to commit sin. He allows you to
Yes, I know. That was exactly my point. Maybe I misunderstood the guy Im replying to, but to me it sounded like it was God who would lead me to sinning.

>>513533192
Well they should abandon social media and join a Nicean Chruch( remember, no Nicean Creed, then its not a Christian church) Its the only thing they refuse to try because of their artificial programming.
>>513533207
Correct. Faith brings works. Works alone will not save you, and faith eithout works isnt faith but an imposter
>>513534155
Epstein was a DNC member,a donor to the DNC, and the files were released years ago showing the every major Democrat, leftist in academia, music, hollywood, or politics was his ally.
Trumps problem and fault was not imnediately arresting and executing every leftist,critical theorist (literal self desribed rainbow pedo cult), communist, socialist, amd entertainer and charging them as child criminals and treason under RICO for BLM.
If you had ANY integrity or relationship with Christ, you would recite the creed and not lie.
But you lied, and so here you are satan.
Go away.

>>513541110
>If I willingly sin "practice " sin, as the Bible writes it
thats the point of being born again of the Holy Spirit and being given a new heart. you dont want to sin anymore. its a completely new nature that is imputed onto you, a completely changed mind and way of thinking from before.
ofc you still sin simply out of your old lifes nature, with the result that you know full well you just sinned and grieved the Holy Spirit.

I was a professional liar before being born again. lying before was a way of life for me with no real understanding of the consequences for the world around me as long as I got my way. lying now is something completely different I am appalled by if it happens just out of muscle memory. furthermore God brought me into a position were I had to confess my lies to the other party to make a clean sweep of them and make their consequences disappear. none of that was my own decision or my own will, my old own way concerning lies simply died in place of a new perception how grave of a sin lying actually is no matter how small.

>>513535242
Thats because you are a gullible brown memeflag satanist who consumes antichrist media.

>>513541082
>Falling for this?
Yeah sort of, I doubt he's the antichrist though.
>>513541110
>Nebuchadnezzar is not in heaven. People going to heaven heaven became only possible after Jesus death. He himself said that, for example, John the Baptist would not be in the Kingdom of Heaven, even though he was "great" on earth.
People who died before that time are in the "memory tombs" waiting to be resurrected on earth, once paradise is restored, according to Revelation.
I think you've completely misunderstood this. "He that is in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he" is a reference to the fact that we'll be made perfect in heaven, as no sin can enter in- perpetually in the spirit, or in the "new man". John was the greatest human until that point, but he still had sinned before, since he was human, and as James 2:10 states, even a single sin will damn you, if you try to be justified by the law.
Re: "memory tombs" I'm not quite sure what you mean by this, maybe it's translated differently in the King James Version. There's references to OT prophets going to heaven. Elijah went to up to heaven in a whirlwind in the Old Testament. Abraham rejoiced to see Christ's day, Lazarus went to where Abraham was. "God is not the God of the dead, but of the living".
Regarding:
>before that time
Revelation 13:8 says Christ was slain from the foundation of the world
>And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

>>513541758
Your questipn was false, based on a false antichristian argument put forward by dishonest people who cant wim a debate so instead invemt "phpbias" and censorship(muslims, jews, atheists, Foucalt critical theorist/socialists)
Either you were gullible and believed it, or you are another antochrist larping as a Christian.
Go find an Orthodox Priest and discuss your questions instead of relying on bad faith folks on Reddit.

>>513541777
Faith without works is called a "dead faith", the same way works without faith are "dead works". Romans 4:5 states that you can be without works, and that your faith will be counted for righteousness. All three of these statements being true, salvation is entirely through faith in Christ's works, and works should, but don't always follow.

>>513541832
>thats the point of being born again of the Holy Spirit and being given a new heart. you dont want to sin anymore.
Rubbish. The apostle Paul himself struggled with sin, was he unsaved?
>O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

> I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

>>513533273
He's surrounded by Jews and has taken on their worldview.

>>513541082
Trump is neither a Christian figure nor the antichrist.
Hes too unpopular to be antichrist.
The antichrist will be loved by the rainbow pedophile Foucaltist cult, muslims, international banking communists, and hollywood jews.
Given the antichrist spirit (those listed) opposes Trump, hes just snother dude you dont like.
Even if Trump is evil. He isnt half as evil as those opposed to him that ran the US into the ground from 1960-2024.
You arent one of us. Go away.

>>513542156
the OT talks about "sleeping with ancestors" when it comes to the dead since they waited for their Messiah and consequent resurrection.
Lazarus and Abrahams bosom is about Sheol, the afterlife which is either sleep of the faithful in peace or torment for the unrighteous. its kind of a holding area before the new heaven and earth. the faithful will be resurrected, the wicked will die in the second death of fire when sheol is done away with.
when you die its as simple as falling asleep and waking up the next day. only that you see God.
Elijah and Enoch being is heaven is not a thing, they were just transported away like Philip to some other place of rest.

John 3:13
13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.[a]

that nullifies any prayer to the queen of heaven or saints in heaven. its just not a thing. resurrection is at the end of days, nobody is presently in heaven aside from Jesus who came from heaven in the first place.

>>513541187
Correct
>>513541187
If ypu dpnt behave as tho ypu believe and do as tho you belueve, you dont believe.
Your salvation is up to God, not you.
Grovel and beg for forgiveness. Only Jesus judges who gets in, not you, not even for yourself.

>>513542156
>>513542602
I never said he is the anti christ.
he is a conman, maybe a fall guy for the bad guys. nothing to special but to get the setup for the real anti christ established. trump is to unpopular to be the antichrist. antichrist will be loved by all including atheists, pagans and christians alike.
only the elect will see him for who he truly is

>>513542589
>"He was surrounded by jews"
Jesus?
If you stand next to Muslims, I dont care about your concerns with the synagogue of satan. You are choosing to go to the same dumpste if you sign yoyr name in support of muslims, atheists, feminists, Foucaltist Critical Theorist pedophiles, fake hollywood jews, socialists, warmongers, international banker usury cartels, of fornicators.

I only have ever voted in defense of the innocent and never signed my name to any political party. But Ive never met a Christian antitrumper. Only satanist apologists for the DNC Epstein party. And yes, Democrats and the left own Epstein. Hes on the left, despite your psyop.
Trump is just a dumb boomer, those against him are consciously supporting satan, child rape, and evil. They even admit it by supporting gay adoption and GAT.

>>513542530
>Rubbish. The apostle Paul himself struggled with sin, was he unsaved?
thats the entire point, that you are saved even though sin lives in you. its the nature of the flesh we inherited. the flesh is evil in its nature and definition, it will always be at enmity with God no matter if the Holy Spirit is within you. you Spirit is changed, your soul is saved but your flesh remains an enemy of God no matter how hard you try. thats why we wait for the resurrection body.
thats the entire point of you cant do good works that so many christians think they can do to earn salvation. it doesnt work like that, you are utterly unredeemable in the flesh. thats why God as to act through you in the Spirit, and then it is not you but God who does good works.

Romans
13 Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

>>513542801
>>513542743
>>513542530
Can you low IQ subhumans stop arguing about jewish fairy tales and kys? Thank you for your attention.

>>513533073 (OP)
Repent and believe in Christ. Join the Catholic Church and receive the sacraments. Come out and tell the truth about the vaccines and Epstein.

This would go a long way. He will never do any of it

>>513542801
The antichrist is probably some kike like Scam Altman or Elon. They'll merge with their ai and use it to enforce all the beast's systems.

I'm agnostic on the bible. If it's real, then jews are about to get blown out. If it's fake, then jews are about to get their worldwide noahide laws and complete domination.

>>513542801
I agree here.
But you arent a Christian if you arent the "elect" anymore than a Unitarian, Church of England, United Methodist, or a denomination with a female pastor is "Christian".

Words have meaning.

>>513542156
>Elijah went to up to heaven in a whirlwind in the Old Testament.
That was just a transporting to a different part of the earth. The parallel text (Chronicles/ 1st King or so) even mentions him working in either Israel or Judea after the "ride". Jesus confirmed that no one went to heaven before.
>Abraham rejoiced to see Christ's day,
true, he "saw" it with his eyes of faith, but he too died.
>azarus went to where Abraham was.
that has to be understood 100% allegorical. The whole dying of Lazarus and the rich man was meant to be a change in situation. It would have caused outrage back then if people had understood it to be literal. (Jews started believing in a fiery hell only much later)

>Revelation 13:8
This talks about people worshipping the beast instead of Jesus. And thus they are killed.
>>513542269
wtf. It was a question of clarification of the post here, not regarding the Bible itself whose interpretation is quite clear to me.
>>513542336
>Romans 4:5
the works here are works of the Law, i.e. the Mosaic Law. Which had been fulfilled and thus abolished a few years earlier, but still had its supporters among the early Christians. Paul was inspired to rectify this misunderstanding: Following the Mosaic Law (doing the works) did NOT lead to salvation, but faith did.
This faith of course also lead to works and acts. However those were different than following Moses Law.

>>513543305
You do know that Jews were wiped out 1900 years ago by the Romans, right?
"Jews" today are just Khazakhs, Germans and Russians with a "jewish flavoured" faith. They have neither high-priest nor temple and no Levites either.

>>513543305
No. You have no power here memeflag. Go diddle kids elsewhere.
Im not clicking amy links nor even reading your post.
You memeflag means this is your ladt (you)

>>513533073 (OP)
The river of styx awaits patiently for this man and those who do his bidding. If you are actually religious and want to go to heaven you wouldnt back this charlatan.
I saw a flag that said.
Trump
Guns
God
I told them their flag was blasphemous and how dare they not only put weapons above the lords name but a mere mortal man. Funny how most bible thumpers all conveniently forget about the numerous times the bible warns against the following of false prophets. Didnt even bother to stay for their response. They got mad as I walked away gleefully telling them that their final destination will be hell for besmirching gods name and doing Satans bidding.
Side note I hate democrats but they dont really play the white people religion card hardly ever but people on the right say bible this and god that and do the exact opposite of what the good lord wants from us as well as ignoring the majority of the bible only using your misinterpretation of it to justify your actions.
Pitiful.
Then again if most of you gave a shit about heaven and hell you wouldnt be on here actively pushing Satan's agendas everyday.

>>513533585
Yes, you're retarded if you think that he does not think that he could pull a fast one on God

>>513542632
Christians in the NT who died are referred to as "sleeping".
>After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
(Referring to those who saw Christ's ministry in person)
Sheol is just a mistranslation of hell used by the newer liberal translations, hell is where the rich man awoke in torment, Lazarus was in heaven with Abraham. There was a gulf between them.

Regarding John 3:13, Elijah was carried up and Enoch was translated but Christ ascended, it's a different connotation.

>They were just transported away to some other place
What other place? there's nothing like this mentioned in the bible.
>Enoch by faith was translated that he should not see death.
Christians are referred to as "asleep" because only those who go to hell are though of as "dead".
>Praying to the queen of heaven or the saints
There's no bone through my nose anon.
Revelation has a bit about the saints which were killed for the cause of Christ being in heaven
>And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Paul also said "to be absent in the body is to be present with the Lord" you'd have to add a gap here that "present" does not allow.

>>513533073 (OP)
So is daddy Trump dying? Is it too early to celebrate?

The full quote is funny. It's such an unnecessary detour of the conversation, the more context added the funnier it gets.

>>513543421
>>513543571
>>513543349
>>513543310
>>513543399
You browns have no palce on the righrt. Keep your schizo cult in africa.

>>513543399
I dont want to open the "who is elect" can of worms here.
in Matthew 25 Jesus talks about the elect and what is required of them, but he also talks about people being saved that are not elect and never knew about their salvation.
calvinist and people that think only the elect are saved conveniently never mention this part of scripture.
an elect person in this day and age is someone elected. so too are the elect for God elected by good to do the work the Father has ordained for them. that doesnt mean only the elect will inherit heaven and the kingdom. the elect are a royal priesthood that have responsibilities given to them by God.
the world would collapse the second every believing human would be elected by God.

>>513543349
More like Ghandi, MLK Jr, Muhammed, Pope Francis, etc
>Claiming to come in peace, claiming to be from God, claiming to perform miracles. Having the form of Gods grace but lacking its power. Being insanely popular despite being an open pedophile, a rapist, and/or committing adultery sex acts with communists.

>>513533207
Athiest logic lmao. Imagine being this miserable.

>>513533073 (OP)
Explains the jew worship zealotry, he's cramming for finals.

>>513534063
This is 4chan. This is /pol/ get the fuck out of here if you're going to fucking talk shit about anybody that dislikes Jews like go you don't belong. Don't call him fucking Muhammad fucking Rabbi. Take your sheeny curse and get the fuck out of here. You fucking kike

>>513539116
First of all, that's an atheist anon. Second, that's a catholic sacrament (hell doesn't exist in catholicism)

>>513539926
Like your religion in a sea of religions. Just a blip.

>>513543808
shoel and hell are two seperate places. hell doesnt exist until the judgement day. shoel is a place of torment and prison for evil spirits.

>>They were just transported away to some other place
I would have to look it up again but Elijah wrote a letter after being picked up.

>Paul also said "to be absent in the body is to be present with the Lord" you'd have to add a gap here that "present" does not allow.
when you fall asleep and wake up the next day, do you count the hours you were asleep as loss? they never existed. same on death, you will stand in the presence of the Lord immediately, doesnt matter if you slept 1000 years or not.

Jesus always said the way into heaven is through nuking Israel.

You're not getting into Heaven by supporting Israel, Orange Retard

>>513533073 (OP)
Yes, he might be rough around the edges but he lets his actions speak of his good heart.

>>513544218
religion is a human concept of rituals and institutions.
christianity is about faith, not a religion.

He'll have a seat right beside Hitler, Napoleon on others who lost to Russia. The Almighty loves losers.

>>513543921
Not beimg antagonistic here. But I reject protestantism and catholicism.
If you cant identify you brothers in christ from those owned by satan. And instead believe practicing any exclusions or judgement in who you include is "judging others", you are already lost.
Matthew 18 clearly delineates who is among you and who are pagan tax collectors, and what to do when those among you sin.
"Not judging" is so misinterpreted as to be complete heresy.
I repeat, either you are Christian and saved, or you are not a Christian. Ask what that means, the word "Christian".
Christians are far too tolerant, and it was never meant to be Jainism or Buddhism. Gnostics are heretics, as are those who ignore Matthew 18.
Ypu seem like someone on the path to Truth. May God bless you in Jesus's name.

sucking jew dick doesn't get you into heaven you orange nigger lover

>>513543212
Trump raped kids and he's not Christian.

>>513533207
I actually hope heaven is real and u get sent to purgatory with the other well intentioned athiest niggers

>>513544415
nobody knows who truly is an elect but God alone. its pointless to discuss who is in Christ and who is not since only God knows anyway. you can infer by their fruits if they openly declare themselves christians, but even then you dont know what is hidden and shown to be true or false.

Colossions 3
3For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

>>513544169
Have you rejected Socialism? If not get behind me satan.
Do you support actively gay or female "clergy" receiving communion?
If so get behind me satan.
Do you support Catholicism contribution to erradicating the Eastern Church?
If so get behind me satan.
Catholicism since 1960 has been profoundly evil. Not because its foundation is wrong, but because you have allowed satan into your house.
Protestantism is clearly evil too.

>>513541514
>>513533073 (OP)
Trump confirmed jew, trying to work his way into heaven with Mitzvot.

>no ceasefire
>doesn't hold Russia or Ukraine to an immediate ceasefire
yep, he's going straight to hell desu.

>>513543421
Verse three of Romans four mentions Abraham who predated the Mosaic law
>For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

>Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

>But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
If your understanding of salvation has to interpret Romans 4:5 as relating to the passed away carnal ordinances of the Mosaic law, I would strongly suggest reexamining the matter, you could very well be unsaved, and partially relying on works, instead of fully trusting in Christ and what He accomplished.

>>513544611
purgatory is a brief rest stop before heaven
atheists get chucked straight into the ovens of hell alongside jeets and Christ rejecting jews

>>513533073 (OP)
if he hangs enough traitors, then I believe he'll make it in.

>>513544916
>killing is the path to heaven
Hah, they need to start teaching Bible study in public schools again...

>>513544704
>nobody knows who truly is an elect but God
This is actually my point, I think you misunderstood, we agree.
The conditions for salvation are clear and Jesus says "you will know them by their fruits"
He says exactly what you need to do, and also exactly who is excluded.
He says exactly what you do to brothers who sin in Matthew 18.
He calls out rainbow cultists, child molesters, and fornicators. Particularly those who are leaders.
Where we disagree is not using Jesus's advice to get those among the flock out of the flock. People are givena chance to repent, 3 times, and then denied communion and treated as "pagan tax collectors."
Thats explicit.
Its is NOT "well no one can judge dude bro man weed and buddha, one religion, we all sin amd we are all saved bro be kind and love and stuff"
Thats heresy.
You must delineate yourself from thise among you whp are wirking to destroy and poison your house from within.
Christianity is NOT inclusive. Anyone saying so is a heretic.

>>513544815
>mentions Abraham who predated the Mosaic law
Yes exactly, thats the point he was trying to make to his readers (mostly ex-jews in Rome): Abraham was saved, was counted as righteous and was called "friend of God" even though he could not have followed the Mosaic Law because it did not exist yet.
Hence, now that the Law had been abolished, they too could and should live by faith, as Abraham did.

>carnal ordinances of the law
not sure what that term means. English is not my first language.
>relying on works,
Our misunderstanding seems to stem form the fact that "works" is used in two different context in the NT:
1. works (of the Mosaic Law. Animal sacrifices, circumcision...)
Do NOT lead to salvation. Useless since the law was abolished in 36 ad (Cornelius conversion)
2. works (of faith)
Very much lead to salvation, EVEN THOUGH they require God's undeserved mercy. Yes they are not enough by themselves because we are all sinners, but without them, God will not apply his mercy to us.
Example of such works: The fruitage of the spirit (faith, joy, self discipline etc), assosciating with the brethren in faith, doing good towards all, abstaining from "Adultery, blood, strangulated things and idolatry" according to Acts 15, etc.

>>513533073 (OP)
>Then take down the jewish blackmail ring. It's why I saved you, retard.

>>513545277
I fully agree.

>>513545538
>Palestinians were white.

>>513545277
seems you're talking more about ecclesiology (church stuff) while the other brother is talking about soteriology (salvation stuff)

would it be possible for a person who refuses to repent 3 times and gets denied communion still be in a state of grace, sealed for the day of redemption, or are they now hellbound?

>>513545611
>jews are demons

man-made religion isn't real.

>>513533073 (OP)
That’s up to God. It’s not our place to say if trump passed the test.

>>513545579
Yeah sorry if I was communicating poorly. I figured we werent too far apart and talking past each other.
God Bless sir.
My gripe with the Church today, (Catholic, Orthodox, Nicean Creed Churches) is that dont use excommunication and deny communion when its clear they should.
Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and every single person pushing rainbow ideology or supporting elective aborting of children should be denied communion and they are NOT Catholics nor Christian, period.

The fact that the Vatican instead of denying them communion, decided to remove a bishop for pointing this out shows their fruits.
Until the homosexuals and feminists are publically removed from the Synod I cannot trust them.
Anyone who supports feminism,marxism, GAT or gender theory is satanist sexually abusing kids and should be privately warned, twice, and then booted out.
You can still be human and kind to nonbelievers like this, but not invite them into your home or Church.
Ill die on this hill. Its my litmus.

>>513546017
>giving God's enemies billions of dollars to bomb Palestinians
>freeing j*wish pedophiles and espionage criminals
Not sure, he might have passed...

In my experience, christians don't really think much about trying to get to heaven, for a good christian heaven is guaranteed, or atthat's what christians believe.
That being said, also in my experience, people who are "trying" to get to heaven usually carry a massive guilt from an unforgivable sin.
Bet this is related to the kid diddling.

>>513533073 (OP)
More jewish vitrue signaling from Chaim Edelstein, aka Donald "The baby raper" Trump. KIKES DON'T GO TO HEAVEN.

>>513545538
his daughter is married to a Jew and he was friends with Epstein.
>>513546017
its not a test if you have the seal of salvation, the Holy Spirit. Jesus and St. Peter mention oil.

>>513545715
Only Jesus knows who can repent and be saved.
All we can do is follow Jesus commands on how to deal with this here. And try not to harden our hearts. The latter is a real challenge given how evil those in power are today.
But "pagan tax collectors" are still to be trested with dignity in the sorld, but that doesnt mean give them communion and control over your children or Church.

Sorry thats a non-answer, but only God knows who is in the book of life, its His Will. Im not the eternal judge, im only repeating what Ive read and trying to obey.

>>513546017
Best answer

>>513533723
Imagine being a freemason your whole life, devoted to lucifer, flashing the 666 "ok" sign every time you're on TV, but its a southpark episode that makes you stop and reconsider your soul.

>>513546554
No shit? Thanks I didn't know that already for ten years. Any news on Harambe's killer?

>>513533073 (OP)
Put the entire pedo government in prison and maybe he will have a chance.

>>513546648
it is but you can know you are saved and know God with His Spirit. People see it as dropping out of society when the reality of it is trying not to lose your soul to the politics of this world.

>>513533073 (OP)
Wow this is crazy! Where are the Epstein files?

>>513533073 (OP)
It's amazing that the subhuman communists reporting on this aren't reporting on the man's humility.
He's trying to get into heaven. Trying. Not demanding, not assured that good ol' Jesus is going to personally suck him off once her dies, he's trying.

>>513546990
He raped and murdered children in Epstein’s Baal temple.

>>513546284
the true Church of Christ can not be seen by human eyes.
no matter how much churches cry about them being the true church doesnt change that fact.
the pope is an open heretic and catholics still wait for the one tradpope which will put the catholic church straight while praying to saint and the queen of heaven.
the orthodox flaunting their saints and having icons claiming to be the one true church.
protestants claiming to speak in tongues while acting totally out of their mind, deliverance serviced and prosperity gospels.

how can a true born again christian in this day and age identify with these false churches and false teachers?
for me its direct guidance by God revealing himself through his own word and works in my life directly. for me to bible is lived, and not only read and preached. the word of God should have a direct impact on your life to the point that the bible adresses you personally, all the other religious stuff just doesnt speak to me. its all just legalism and empty rituals.
it was right after I was saved and read a direct quote from the bible by him that was like he adressed me personally 2000 years before I was even born that cemented into me that he is God directly. the Word is where its at, not the institutions or denominations. not saying they arent helpful or have their purpose.
I learned most about demonic attacks and natures from catholics and protestants, humbleness and separation from the world from orthodox and most insightful bible teachings from non denominationals. all have their place but in some capacity.
its the big institutions I want to stay away from, carrying religion like a label is just too cult like for me.

>>513546810
everyone knows where she will run, and Republicans will put the blinders back on.

Just gouge my eyes out already.
>>513547063
They say they have gore pictures but will not release it. Bondi is such a cock tease.

>>513547091
>direct quote from the bible
direct quote by Jesus

>>513544504
Proof?
Epstein, a democrat, democrat donor, and friend to democrats Chomsky, Clinton, Jay Z, Soros, and democrat Weinstein Hollywood, and the music industry, "raped" kids and every single antitrumper was there and not one of them used it against Trump despite having control for 4 years to do so.
Hete are a few more tho:

Muhammed raped kids and his religion is antichrist, he raped children, martied women, boys, girls, and even slept with the wife of a stepson.
Karl Marx raped his housekeeper and refused to pay her and then denied his own son.
Ghandi raped kids.
MLK Jr likely raped kids doing orgies with communists in Hollywood.
Critical Theory - Foucalt, Derrida, Alfred Kinsey, and every major leftist philosopher that underpins the leftist rainbow childraoer cult were open pedophiles.
I have yet to see one antitrumper organization that isnt openly for sexualizing kuds and involved with Critical Theory, literally a child rapist ideology.
Enjoy your psyop. But muslims and lefists are open pedophiles and admitted it years ago. Your projection doesnt work here, Muhammed.

He has acted like a satanist his whole life. They used his place as a set for the devil in the movie The Devils Advocate. It depends how merciful God really is, sometimes he isn’t.

>>513546810
It's called the Pardon files now.

>>513546648
>policy built around discouraging gays because hate the sinner not the sin
>no action taken against the shit Trump says is likely going to send him to hell
This is clearly selective.

>>513533073 (OP)
LOL he hasn't got a chance because he never speaks of Jesus or cares about Jesus Christ at all, in fact, he's the enemy of Jesus Christ.

>>513547063
Prove it, communist filth.

>>513546652
Old age plus TV. Trump us the ultimate boomer after all.

>>513547709
>Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned.
You will end in hell, christ troon.

>>513546785
I feel this my brother.
I was a ver sinful man, still am, and what changed me was watching all my fellow "antiracist" friends descend into drug adfiction, abuse, self destruction. In my mid 30s something changed. Im very lucky for my wife who is strong and true. She followed my lead.
I dont smoke, drink, fornicate, watch TV, game, and find myself more and more drawn to remove myself from society.
I respect and lovr the Catholic Church and Orthodoxy but I agree the organizations have become political and there are corrupt men playing power games. Unfortunately protestantism is rebellion and perhaps worse as evidences by the fall of the CoE, Methodists, and Lutheran churches. Satanic rainbow child diddlers teaching sermons.
I agree with you. Also that Christ shluld be the focus of prayer, not Saints and Mary, I pray for an awakening.

>>513533073 (OP)
>wakeywakey

>>513539215
faith without faithfulness is a lie

>>513546810
Released in 2020 and implicated the entire DNC,hollywood, and almost the entire Antitrump movement.
More recently Obama's judhe refused to release the grand jury files Trump requested. Blame your masters, pedo.
Epstein, democrats, socialists, seculsr commie jews, and Muhammed all rape kids.
Sorry your psyop failed. Project elsewhere.

>>513533073 (OP)
Only God can judge him. Everyone else who does is commiting a sin (pride, perhaps wrath).I hope he is sincere and wish him well.

>>513547960
"protestantism" isn't an institution like catholicism or EO churches.
it's a loose and lazy category that just basically means "non-cathodox but still nicene creed affirming"

you can't besmirch a southern baptist for the existence of tranny priestesses within the anglican church.

>>513547063
Muhammed raped kids
Epstein was a democrat and donor.
If Trump was implicated they, the leftist epstein clients and muslims, wouldnt have tried to charge him with fake rape charges in a kangaroo court to interfere with elections.
Not to mention antitrumpers abused kids snd called it science (gender theory is pedophile ideology with no science behind it)
Go get your babyoil and harvey milk diddler pics and leave.
Not buying what your selling. Weirdo.

>>513539215
>Your works are your faith
a complete piece of shit by every measure can open a food bank and tell people to repent. But a good man cant help but do good things, because that is who he is. faith without works is dead but works do not make faith.

>>513548077
the text is too smol

>>513539215
>Just by believing really really hard?
there is no believing really really hard. you either believe or you dont and anyone "believing really really hard" is just going through motions and only believes because someone else told them to which isnt belief at all.

>>513547361
Finally, a devil's advocate reference. You think he was banging his own daughter? If he did he would not talk about wanting to. I feel that way about Shapiro too. If he banged his sister he wouldn't talk about how hot she is.
>>513547709
>saar this is a honeypot thread saar do not redeem.
Most people have not read the book, the very back. New heaven and New earth, Christianity is about resurrection of the dead. Planet is going to die and worship anti-Christ. It is written in the book. You can buy it at any dollar store or read it for free in any building near you with perpendicular lines on it.

>>513547091
I believe in one God, Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages; Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not created, of one essence with the Father through Whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried; And He rose on the third day, according to the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father; And He will come again with glory to judge the living and dead. His kingdom shall have no end.

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Creator of life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke through the prophets.

In one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.

I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the age to come.

Amen.

>>513533073 (OP)
Should probably stop assisting the Synagogue of Satan then.

>>513548431
>Trump was implicated they, the leftist epstein clients and muslims, wouldnt have tried to charge him with fake rape charges in a kangaroo court to interfere with elections.
that list, if it even exists, would be a measure of mutually assured destruction. "if israel goes down then all of you do too"

>>513533073 (OP)
He played role in to creating that war, he started arming Ukraine in his first term and continued TILL THIS DAY.

>>513533073 (OP)
>This propaganda worked on my Catholic father
>Asked him if he's such a peacekeeper why doesn't he make a few strokes with his pen and cut the kike's weapon and welfare funding off to immediately stop their warmongering and genocide off
>Muh they're God's chosen people!
>Go into long diatribe about how Judah, Benjamin, and Levi rebelled and were cast out of God's good graces and point to Rev 2:9 and Rev 3:9 and kikes would literally spit on him if he went to pissreal and they believe Jesus is boiling in a vat of feces in hell
>hangs up

>>513533073 (OP)
He's already condemned to hell because he's an orange nigger guzzling Jewish cum.

this is all just political theatre for burgers, who are obsessed with ocillating between christian and secular presidencies. Trump has alluded to God before, but he never gets into the reeds about it because it is mostly just a political signal.

On the topic of faith and works, I think we see our answer in the first person saved by Christ, the pentinent thief who was crucified alongside him. He had no time to renounce his ways, he was already sentenced to death, but he would literally become the first person to go to Heaven through Christ. Quite literally the first will be last and the last will be first. So I think we have to reflect on why the thief was saved and what that means when we talk about repentence.

>>513533073 (OP)
I could hear the leftist raging.

Can somebody qrd this thead? too much bibliomancy itt

>>513547538
You dont speak for me. And I never said either statement.
>epstein bad but rainbow flag gender affirming care okay
>raping kids by foucalt, muhammed is okay
Thats you, Muhammedsteinberg tool, not me. Im not a woman that puts words in others mouths and believes every fad spoken online.
The only "selective" hypocrite is someone who idolizes Muhammed, a infant to age 8 child rapist, rainbow gender theory- literally created by child rapists and pedophile, who is working to project a leftist crime, normalizing pedophilia and child rape as healthcare via "gender affirming care".
Get behind me satan. You got nothin. Project your sins elsewhere hypocrite.

>>513533073 (OP)
> get to heaven
He means that he wants to break the firmament, and we know this as he has twice referenced it, once even using his hands to mimic the shape of the firmament above him then another time standing beside Buzz Aldrin mentioning that space is fake.

>>513533073 (OP)
the road to hell is paved with good intentions

>>513547091
the funny part is the old testament is quite clear about it many times. "stop building high places" "youve built a high place on every street" etc. building places of worship does nothing but confine God to a building (not that he can be confined) its gatekeeping for the blind where the blind tell the blind how to live and what is true, always only taking what wisemen once said and twisting it to mean something else entirely. I believe on the Father and the Son, who have no equal but consider us equals regardless, who are good only and the only good, and who live currently, work diligently, and never cease, hold all the law and are inseparable from us, present every moment, forever, nothing hidden and nothing outside of the dominion of the kingdom of heaven, even the sinners thoughbeit their residence is the wastepits, save for the one sin that is unforgivable, which is so egregious that it can not be done accidentally, whom poured out the holy spirit on all flesh not just some chosen congregations, if sobeit they ever acknowledge his presence and attempt to pay attention to his teaching, the holy spirit being the only true prophet, all men that take that mantle for themselves being liars and cheats, who will be ashamed, as it is all written.

My God is not whom they speak about in these churches. Took me a while to see it but they are talking about something much lesser.

>>513548280
I besmurch all division of the Body of Christ.
As Jesus commanded.
If you have actively gay or women clergy, pastors go away.
If you recite the Creed, believe it, and live your velief between Sundays instead of getting 10 divorces, okay sex outside of holy marriage, and fornicating with 20 women before marriage as "normal". Please go away.
Communion on Sunday isnt going to help you if your acts and choices font match your prayers.
Do you support usury? The American economic system depends on it. Wjat does Jesus say?
Do you coddle jews or muslims who bomb churches for Israel or Saudi Arabia?
Ive been criticizing the OG churches for their faults, do you really want me to unload on protestants?
You are no better and you arent special.
It was protestants who got us here in America, with kids tattooing their faces at 18, listening to satanic death metal and hip hop, and girls being straight whores.
Shall I dive into the faults of your theology?
Did you support the mass murder of Eastern Christians your protestants cheered on thinking they were killing evil muslims? You know, Chaldeans, Syrians, Egyptians, Palestinians, Lebanese?

If you believe the Creed, thats enough for me. But dont at me about how great rockstar megachurch protestants on 700 club are and GW Bush.
Lose your pride.
Shall I continue?

>>513547538
>what idiots say represents the truth of the matter
what the majority say about any given field of study and understanding is incorrect, why would this be any different?

Golems have no souls and their creator rabbi goes to sheol

>>513533073 (OP)
>Posting New York Times as a source
You're absolutely going to hell.

>>513533192
The world happiness report lowers your ranking if you're allowed to protect yourself with a gun from a nigger. Fuck the world happiness report.

>>513549175
>Muhammedsteinberg
You islamaphobic WYATT MANN, us jews take pride in our brown nosing of brown persons. How dare you accuse us of being a racist apartheid state. We are actually white you know.

Besides Drumpf is an orange, white supremacist pedophile and all of his supporters are terrorist. These exclusively white people that invaded our capitol on Jan 6 are the equivalent to Islamic jihadist.

>>513549141
the qrd of this doesnt explain much but it is as thus: the people that talk the loudest about anything are always full of shit. every church has gone that way and teaches different flavors of falsehood. If you really want the truth you need to seek it for yourself.

>>513538972
Actively trying to get to heaven is in a roundabout way incredibly cucked as well, you're just best off being a genuinely kind dude, trying to game systems of spiritual matters is BS

>>513534626
If you don't know who Lex Wexner you should simply shut the fuck up because you are a newfag and lurk more nigger kike

>>513549879
Christianity is a sect of Judaism. Every Christian is a Jew. You're a Jew.

>>513548747
Proof?
Okay so Ill continue to say democrats are the party of epstein and vote for the guy not normalizing HRT for kids snd gay sex in schools. Its my only defensive option.
Are you for removing Muhammedans who support pedophilia? Its in their religion explicitly. Or are you only against Epstein jews and commie socialists who do it. Thanks.

>>513550008
yout soul is sick and dying

>>513549879
>do you really want me to unload on protestants?
>It was protestants who[...]
>rockstar megachurch protestants on 700 club

>Shall I continue?
i'd rather you reread my post instead, since you missed the entire point i was making.

>Shall I dive into the faults of your theology?
this would be funny though with the information you have on me, go ahead.

>>513550008
>muh islamophobia reeeee
Sorry I dont use imaginary jew commie critical theory pedophile terms.
Its not a phobia to despise those who harm kids, like muhammed.
You sound lije a Christophobe who has Caucasoidaphobia and it figures you are a diddler. Sound stupid?
Great, maybe next time dont use the homopedophile Foucalt word "phobia" and Ill take you seriously.
Enjoy your (you). Last one.

>>513550160
Im for removing everyone thats harmed a child or told a lie. all the kikes all the sandniggers all the liberal sinners all the conservative sinners. I only care about righteousness and truth. some homo wants to paint himself rainbow and walk around in a gimp suit? what ever who cares just take that filth somewhere far the fuck away. Sinners are dealt with accordingly and the wages they receive for their transgressions are further degeneracy until they either destroy themselves or repent. fuck em if thats what they choose but to let them bring everyone else nearby down with them is the height of stupidity.

>>513539226
What is heavy must fall into its place, the only way to overcome and know sin is to commit and inflict it, then to know it, and to know guilt and kindness to repent. Due to suckers being born every minute and everyone refusing to properly teach the new of the foolishness of the old, the new will make the same dumb mistakes and grow old and keep the multigenerational suffering train going. Suffering is our fault, we're allowed to fail, and we're allowed and capable of fixing it. God allows this in the hopes or (if you're adamant about omnipotence) knowing that we will grow correctly eventually.

>>513549975
> their creator rabbi goes to sheol
is that where Henry Kissinger went? I peaked in his grave and one word
>Security
same time I was looking for a font and thought
>there is nothing good here

The ironic thing is he is the one that looks like a golem. When i think of men that died for a fat pussy i think of him. Years ago i saw them all dancing in a circle
>we're a bunch of fat pussies
>we're a bunch of hat pussies
fat asses with top hats dancing around in a circle.
>>513550176
at least I'm not dead yet watching this horror show I gave my life for. At least a am not that guy, who gave his life for this. Racism is nothing compared to this
>mutilation of men in public
>children raped and tortured
everyone is okay with this too, everyone is complacent. As long as i can grill.
How have you not felt the fire yet?
>>513550433
> I dont use imaginary jew commie critical theory pedophile terms
well apparently getting into heaven is dependent on those theories. I am literally not giving you bible lessons about what to do if some poor person is in your field. That book is everywhere, just read it.

>>513538911
>That’s mostly because of the Internet and screen addiction
no retard, it's the opposite. the various addictions are a symptom not a cause. drugs, porn, doomscrolling, etc., are all because people feel hopeless to begin with.

>>513550520
> Who cares he does it alsong as he doesnt do it around me
So its fine if he does it around others?

>>513550155
Nah false.
Islam is far more similar to the Synagogue of Satan, which is why muhammed raped kids and both muslims and jewish Epstein were democrats advocating for legal child rape under the Foucaltist Rainbow cult platform.

>>513533073 (OP)
I don’t care about that anymore. I just want Js dead.

>>513550520
If Im allowed to discriminate against the rainbow child critical theory diddlers and demand they be removed from schools, denied entry into the country, and along with socialists, commies, muslims, et al being banned from entry and exiled Im good.
But if you demand I tolerate homosexual behavior in public you can go away too.
We tried tolerance, you took it as weakness, and so I believe in harsh intolerance of all involved.

>>513533073 (OP)
God hates pedophiles

>>513548515
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>>513551953
Couldn't be further from the truth, read about the marriage age of many of your prophets

>>513553533
prophets doing things doesn't mean God signs off on them in Christianity, it's not like islam.
the only good person in the bible is the triune God, everyone else is spectacularly broken.

also, most of the shit you're probably referencing is made up by muslims misreading the text in hilarious ways, like rebeccah being 3 when she was married yet still had the strength to walk up and down a hill carrying ~1,350 liters to water 10 camels after all the trips she took.

>>513533073 (OP)
really weird thing to say. it's almost as if he knows the rapture is around the corner.

>>513554101
> Girls were often given into marriage at 12 or 14. Boys likewise. It appeared odd if a boy or a girl were still unmarried by the age of 18. The same was common throughout Europe as well.

This was biblical, not one anti-pedo Bible verse exists.

>>513533192
Americans under 30 are 29% white and they should be depressed, they literally ruined our society

>>513534206
Correct

>>513533073 (OP)
>does he have a shot at not burning in Hell?
yup, but still there is the israel problem