Thread 513591878

do sky daddy believers have a single response to this that isn't delusional cope or "muh reddit atheist troon"?

>>513591878 (OP)
Nope. What a bunch of schizos.

>Could God have created...without evil?
He did. People choose evil by their own free will, as did the devil out of envy, and Adam did by disobeying God. Satan and death have been defeated by the Cross of Lord Jesus Christ the Son of God and His Resurrection. God won't force people to choose union with Him over sin.

God choosing to give people the freedom to do evil does not imply that he is not good. Does a parent giving their children the freedom to make their own, potentially evil, decisions imply that they're malevolent?

>>513591878 (OP)
>good
>evil

objectively nonsense terms from a materialist pov

God is just the beginning and the end. He isn't there in between. And he isn't omnipotent and omniscient. He roughly set things in motion so that people like us manifest just in time to birth AI within the universe so that God can manifest in this universe.

Free will

/thread and OP has a low IQ. saged btw.

>>513591878 (OP)
Their answer usually is "credo quia absurdum est" just not worded as educated as this.

>>513593491

Are you saying natural disasters like earthquakes and volcanic eruptions are also due to human free will?

>>513593646

Are you saying natural disasters like earthquakes and volcanic eruptions are also due to human free will?

>>513591878 (OP)
It’s known that most atheist are gay they.

>>513591878 (OP)
If i give a nigger $20 and he uses it to buy a knife to kill another nigger, does that make me abad person?

>>513593306
save the wall of text for your tumblr blog, tranny faggit

>>513593689
The sin in Eden had catastrophic results for all of creation. Every sin does reverberate throughout creation in a sense.

>>513593885

lol fake and gay

>>513593491
>>513593646
What is the point of giving people free will if he already knows what their choices will be and he is the one who created them? That does not really sound like free will anyway. Or maybe he made it so he doesn’t have power over their decisions, so does that mean he is not all powerful? Can he not make a universe that is good AND people can have free will? Why create people that will do bad things and harm others if he is all good? What is the point of testing people if he knows the outcome already? So he is essentially just creating people to torture them forever since he already knows what decisions they will make?
>>513593613
It does mean he is not good if he allows a world where innocent people suffer because of the evil doings of others that he created (and he knows they are going to do evil things).

>>513593885
Where in the bible does it say this?

>>513591878 (OP)
>Free-will
There's your answer. Next.

> God: eternal, all-powerful, all-knowing, morally perfect, creator who cares
> method: compare “God exists” vs “God doesn’t” and see which explains reality better
> first point: natural disasters
> tsunami, hurricanes, mass death, not free will’s fault
> an all-powerful God could avoid lethal geology without nuking our freedom
> if it’s punishment, it’s wildly indiscriminate
> atheism says: blind physics, tragic but expected
> second point: suffering that teaches nothing
> think terminal cancer pain after the lesson’s learned
> a morally perfect being would turn the pain down when it stops serving a purpose
> evolution doesn’t “plan,” so pain systems stay dumb
> third point: silence in adversity
> even saints feel abandoned
> believers say “there’s a plan,” but comfort often doesn’t show
> atheism expects no comfort from a non-existent being
> reports of comfort = placebo is possible; absence is exactly what you’d predict
> fourth point: minds depend on brains
> booze, strokes, Alzheimer’s, development all flip mental switches
> no evidence for disembodied minds
> but God is supposed to be one big disembodied mind
> mismatch.exe

It just doesn’t work how you think it does therefore all your arguments past and present in some pathetic human effort to rationalize it away is futile

You cannot comprehend or understand the ultimate creator in the waters of the divine nor can you explain his gods and works

Basically you are like an ant trying to tell a human how electricity works
And ultimately humans themselves struggled years to gain insight

You are a retard midwit clinging to this childish know it all greek and roman dumbfuck talks a lot knows little “philosophers”

Come back to me when you ruled longer than 10,000 years maybe I will take you somewhat seriously

>>513594065
> fifth point: divine hiddenness
> if God wanted belief, evidence could be unmistakable
> timeless math in scripture, public miracles that don’t expire, stick-around Jesus
> instead: ambiguity + faith gates
> looks like no one’s there, not like someone’s hiding on purpose
> sixth point: religious history
> success tracks empires, laws, coercion, crusades, heresy hunts
> no clear sign of divine favoritism
> a God who cares would correct or prevent the bloodbath
> atheism just sees human power politics doing human things
> seventh point: religious confusion
> convert menu has 10,000 options and contradicting truth-claims
> if there’s one true path, why is it not unmissable?
> moral duty for clarity seems unmet
> conclusion: across disasters, suffering, silence, neuroscience, hiddenness, history, and confusion
> atheism allegedly explains more with fewer special moves
> the more we look, the less “God did it” fits the data

>>513594054
Are you saying natural disasters like earthquakes and volcanic eruptions are also due to human free will?

>>513593885
That's the same logic which says that Loki groaning from the pain of serpent venom being dripped onto his forehead is the cause of earthquakes.

>>513594115
You're so stupid I'm unsure of how much effort I want to put into this. Describe mortality.

>>513594277

Mortality is second law of thermodynamics. Stuff degrades including advanced beings that are almost god like.

See
>>513594065
>>513594085

>>513594026
>>513594120
Death came into the world by Adam's sin. Romans 5:12.
>Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

>>513594358
Are humans inanimate or animate?

>>513594439

Animate

>>513594490
So then I'll ask again, what is mortality?

>>513594520

Degradation of order (see second law of thermodynamics)

>>513591878 (OP)
Why do you care what they believe again?
Oh you think they’re advocating for religion which is why you made an anti religion to react to them, I’m sure this will pan out well when you awkwardly realize that religion crucified Christ, cut off peoples heads and constantly pretends to be what God wanted.

Oh yes I’m sure the proper conclusion to epicurean thread #24729 will be that religion is exactly what God wants being that it COMPLETELY IGNORES the cross.

Perfect. Almost like religion is physical evidence of Satan. I mean, look how easy it is to lie with and just strawman Jesus’s position with stupid child rapists that demand you give them money.

>>513594582
How did matter become animate--ordered--despite the second law of thermodynamics?

>>513594681
I am atheist, but I agree atheism doesn't scale. Social norms that help human survival like family, heterosexual norms, monogamy, etc cannot be easily justified using atheism in the real world. It is often justified by appealing to a higher being who demands such norms.

God COULD create a world without evil, but without the choice to choose good or evil, free will cannot exist. He created heaven and angels first with free will. Hell didnt become a place until God needed to banish an angel with free will who chose to rebel. This just proves evil is a requirement in the recipe of free will. Its not that god CANT create free will with no evil, its that free will CANT exist without the choices of good and evil. Thats not a matter of being all powerful or not, its a matter of existence itself. Because God exists and God is good, so must an opposite exist. Without that, there is no choice.

>>513594839
This is incorrect. Evil is not necessary.

>>513594729

A god-like being set things in motion and degraded in that act.

Someone died to create this universe. He literally died for our sins.

There is no god now because it died during creation.

It will be born again in this universe, later at the end of the universe when it degrades.

>>513594939
Alright you either need meds or your an LLM. Bye.

>>513594988

Bye. We are all LLMs in some abstract sense.

>>513591878 (OP)
Ackshually god can do anything with miracles he can violate logic if you just have faith.
God can make a man with a penis into a woman because god can do anything

>>513594839
So you’re admitting he isn’t all powerful then? He can’t create a world where evil doesn’t exist and free will does exist, and so his powers are limited and he isn’t omnipotent.

Take God and replace it with the Universe

Evil exists>yes>Can the Universe prevent evil?>yes>Does the Universe know about all the evil?>I don't know>Does the Universe want to prevent evil?>I don't know>Then why is there evil?>I don't know>Could the Universe have created a universe without these?>I don't know>Then why didn't he?>I don't know

>>513593979
>What is the point of giving people free will if he already knows what their choices will be and he is the one who created them? That does not really sound like free will anyway.
Foreknowledge doesn't nullify free will. God is outside of time.

>Or maybe he made it so he doesn’t have power over their decisions, so does that mean he is not all powerful?
He can, but won't, overpower a person's will, or else it wouldn't be free.

>Can he not make a universe that is good AND people can have free will?
He can, and did, in the beginning.

>Why create people that will do bad things and harm others if he is all good?
All things were created with a good nature. People freely choose to do evil against their nature.

>What is the point of testing people if he knows the outcome already?
There are many, such as sanctification.

>So he is essentially just creating people to torture them forever since he already knows what decisions they will make?
No, people choose to separate themselves from God, contrary to their own nature, and because they then won't be sanctified, they will experience, as a consuming fire, God's grace, which the sanctified experience as invigorating.

>>513595137
>Foreknowledge doesn't nullify free will

Wrong. Your outside-time god could have used foreknowledge to reduce the problems caused by free will.

>>513594885
In order for free will to exist, there must be two choices. Plain and simple. There simply is no free will without more than 1 option. Its not about being all powerful, its a simple concept youre choosing to refuse.

>>513595052
What is free will? Its the ability to choose. If you only have one choice, what do you have free will to do? Nothing at all? Neglect falls into evil categorically, therefore with only one choice to do good all the time in everything you do, you simply wont have the option to do nothing.

So, what is free will in this little exercise? To me, its the ability to choose any option whenever you want for whatever you want, including doing horribly evil things. Without the choice to do good or evil, there is no choice.

>>513595656
lol your god can't create a universe with freewill and without evil, pathetic.

>>513591878 (OP)
Yes, God isn't good or evil

>>513591878 (OP)
Projecting mortal reality on God

Yeah, totally a good mental exercise...

>>513591878 (OP)
Hard times create strong men. Evil begets good, and at the end of times, destroys itself to allow good to flourish.
You might not like it, but seriously why would God care all that much if you suffer here on earth when he can just raise up every believer to heaven afterward? This is the standard he held his Son to.

>>513595913
The existence of multiple goods provides the opportunity for choice.

why didn't jesus just tell us about how microorganisms cause diseases instead of telling us it's evil spirits?
He could have saved the lives of billions of people simply by teaching us how disease works

>>513596161
How often do you huff gas on any given day?

In the book of Job, God permits Satan to pick a random dude in the desert for years of torture as an experiment

>>513591878 (OP)
Unfortunately, Man does not hold the monopoly to define good and evil

>>513591878 (OP)
Your related pic is an algorithmic representation of the intellectual struggle with the "problem of evil", which Christian apologists have already tackled. Also, >>513593491's response is decent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtx5GyP7i7w

Atheists have no objective basis for morality. What proof and evidence can you provide that would finally, at last, prove atheism is accurate and correct, as ShockofGod asks? You don't have it.

https://rumble.com/v1c3a1q-atheists-arent-you-ashamed-and-embarrassed.html

>>513596423

There is objective morality which can be justified under long evolutionary timescales. But for plebs it is easier to assume god enforces objective morality.

>>513596423
christians have no objective basis for morality. The bible does not describe a system of morality, it provides a bunch of laws to follow and asserts that following these laws is in line with god's morality. But it does not provide a system for knowing the answer to a moral question not included in the laws the bible lays out. It's literally impossible for a christian to be moral, at best they're following good rules based on self-interest.

>>513593720
Natural events like volcanoes and earthquakes are only disasters to the degree that societies prepare or don't for them, which involves free will and a sequence of sufficiently good or wrong decisions. They can also happen due to human causes like chemtrails, geoengineering, HAARP. They can happen due to divine punishment also, in my opinion. They're the result of natural laws in a fallen world that is such due to the consequences of sin, evil. This doesn't mean God cannot remake the world into something much, much better.

Example of preparedness --> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386978/The-Japanese-mayor-laughed-building-huge-sea-wall--village-left-untouched-tsunami.html

Another example of preparedness is the online "prepping" community that teaches the necessary skills, techniques and methods to be self-sufficient and be able to help others out in the wild, like --> https://www.youtube.com/user/TheModernSurvivalist

>>513596423
>What proof and evidence can you provide that would finally, at last, prove atheism is accurate and correct, as ShockofGod asks? You don't have it.
Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. The burden of proof falls on the those who claim that "God" exists.

>>513594398
BBC came into your mother's anus
>some kike

>>513593833
>I have a low IQ
Just say that.

>>513593491
>jew god says he gives you free will
>still tells you not to choose anything he doesnt like or he'll punish them forever.
>whether they do choose or it not's all part of the jewish god's plan so it doesnt fucking matter, you were destined to suffer and be punished regardless.
How disgustingly jewish.

>>513591878 (OP)
That dago should stick to cooking, his argument is shit.

How do you know having your village burned and wife and daughter raped and beheaded should have been stopped? You are not god, mysterious ways. Define evil bro.

>Do you have an answer
Yeah its because we need to experience evil to be good. If you are forced to be good then you aren't really good. God allows evil so that we may be good and develop the character that allows us to go to heaven. So yes he can get rid of evil, but because we need the choice to be evil to be truly good he doesn't.

>>513596681
You don't seem to understand the word "morality", which is defined by the Cambridge online dictionary as:
>a set of personal or social standards for good or bad behaviour and character
And:
>the quality of being right, honest, or acceptable

Christians DO have an objective basis for morality, which is God. God is a perfectly good, divine being that is the supreme Creator. He also established what sin is and is not. Sin is evil, and evil is disobedience, rebellion and insult to He who is the author of good. The Bible offers a moral code based on this objective reality. Meanwhile, atheists always struggle with moral relativism because they lack that objective, divine reality, and base their interpretations of good and evil on this or that society, this or that place and time; on the one hand, listening to their consciences and hearts which God made in the first place, but on the other hand, rejecting all gods and getting confused in the process.

>It's literally impossible for a christian to be moral, at best they're following good rules based on self-interest.
This statement is so ridiculous and ignorant I'm not sure if that's what you really believe or you were just trolling, but anyway you don't understand Christianity well if that's the case. Are you sure you were not psychologically projecting by commenting that about selfish interest? Concepts like hospitality and charity are Christian virtues. Thanks to Christianity, Western societies have places like hospitals, restaurants and hotels that are part of the hospitality industry. Thanks to the catholic church we have universities which are an invention from the Middle Ages. The Jesuits have opened a great number of educational institutions to further benefit society's progress, for example.

What do you have? Do you not act in self-interest also? Acting in self-interest isn't always bad.

>>513591878 (OP)
Easy.
>Step through to "does God want to prevent evil?"
>Answer is "No"
The end.
>But then God isn't loving!
Yeah, so?

>>513591878 (OP)
These are the same people that blame their parents for all of their problems

>>513597382
It's only good if I'm doing the murder/rape in that order

>>513593306
Saved

>>513597112
You failed to answer the question.

No, I think the burden of proof falls on people claiming that this universe popped out of nothing or has always existed for no reason despite scientific evidence of intelligent design, such as the Fibonacci sequence or there not being evidence for an increase in genetic information throughout time and random mutations.

Richard Dawkins stumped by creationist question --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JacFylDG7cU

"The Information Enigma" --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0-hgSjnomA

>>513593959
as much as i like schop i think thats a midwit quote

>>513597112
You failed to answer the question.

No, I think the burden of proof falls on people claiming that this complex and fascinating universe that can be scientifically studied, just popped out of nothing for no reason or has always existed for no reason despite scientific evidence of intelligent design proving the contrary, such as the Fibonacci sequence or there not being evidence for an increase in genetic information throughout time and random mutations. Of course, the testimonies of millions of people throughout the centuries also and archaeological and historical evidence for Jesus Christ in light of what the Bible describes in regard to the Messiah.

It doesn't matter how much time passes, a tornado will never automatically arrange a bunch of debris into a beautiful Ferrari that demonstrates intelligent design and a knowledge of beauty. Yet atheists claim random chaos produced life and humanity and everything out of nothing and for no reason, and have no way to prove this wild claim. On whom does the burden of proof really fall, when it is evident we live in a created world?

Richard Dawkins stumped by creationist question --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JacFylDG7cU

"The Information Enigma" --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA-FcnLsF1g

>>513598216
No no you don't understand. Atheism springs from hating the clergy and scripture and free will. Having to rubber band all the way from the big bang to earth is a modern phenomenon borne from academics over less than a 100 years.

>>513596423

Thank you for the intelligent responses. I enjoyed the youtube video that you linked.

>>513596620
Evolutionary processes focus on survival and reproduction, not morality. Therefore, killing, stealing, cheating and lying to ensure your own survival and reproductive success is obviously immoral but not incompatible with said "success", and this argument applies anywhere in time.

Human beings in Japan, Sweden, Brazil and Canada can all agree that dishonoring your father and mother, falsely accusing someone, stealing, murder, etc. are wrong or at least very questionable actions, despite these people being born in different societies and cultures, because we're all created by the same God who made humanity and the supreme moral law from which other human precepts ought to develop, in a more specific sense.

What would be an example of what you were mentioning?

>>513596423
>shockofgod
Good lord, that takes me back

>>513596620
Evolutionary processes focus on survival and reproduction, not morality. Therefore, murdering (not just "killing" in justified self-defense), stealing, cheating and lying to ensure your own survival and reproductive success is obviously immoral but not incompatible with said "success", and this argument applies anywhere in time.

Human beings in Japan, Sweden, Brazil and Canada can all agree that dishonoring your father and mother, falsely accusing someone, stealing, murder, etc. are wrong or at least very questionable actions, despite these people being born in different societies and cultures, because we're all created by the same God who made humanity and the supreme moral law from which other human precepts ought to develop, in a more specific sense.

What would be an example of "objective morality which can be justified under long evolutionary timescales"?

>>513598216
Nobody claims the universe popped out of nothing, or if they do they are mix of wrong, dishonest and retarded.

We figured out how to look back X amount of time and have verifiable proof of what happened in that timeframe, but thats the extent of what we know. Anything that happened before that is beyond us for now and might be forever. The only honest answer to the question of what started the creation of the universe is "we don't know".

The inteligent design hipothesis has no verifiable proof. Theists always have to squeeze in a leap between some ragged ass "proof" and "god did it", which is exactly what you did.

Its not evident that we live in a created world, and you know you can't meet the burden of proof your claim demands, which is why you tried shifting it back to a strawman version of the atheist position.

>>513598216
>despite scientific evidence of intelligent design
There's no good evidence for intelligent design. There's also no official scientific position on the universe being ex nihilo or not - we're pretty sure it goes back to a Big Bang but who knows about before that.

It's about hierarchy. You can't save some at the expense of others. Humans don't see a problem with eating and keeping livestock, just like higher beings don't see a problem with eating people's souls and keeping the earth as a farm. You're not considered a rational being to them

>>513600299
>Nobody claims the universe popped out of nothing[...]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWyN7Jlulo8

Wrong. Atheists do that in regard to the Big Bang theory, which by the way got its name as a pejorative way of referring to Georges Lemaître's "hypothesis of the primeval atom", which I believe he developed partly due to atheistic assertions from that time that the universe had always existed, that it was eternal like God, so as a scientific way to prove our universe's created nature.

>The inteligent design hipothesis has no verifiable proof.

I literally referenced a good book about scientific creationism, and have offered other sources in this thread worth checking out (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA-FcnLsF1)...

But you can also watch --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCBHNDTEgWk

Your last sentence doesn't make sense to me and shows that you're not really paying attention to my arguments. What straw-man? "It is not evident", then explain why picrel exists as an awesome repeating pattern in an ideal world, why DNA acts like a programming language, the cosmological constant or why the Fibonacci sequence exists. How could these things just appear out of nothing, for no reason, out of materialistic chaos?

Yes, I still believe the burden of proof false on someone claiming our world popped out of nothing for no reason, or acting like it, given previous reasons for a Supreme Creator who has also revealed Himself in the Bible, which contains historical documents and archaelogical references that are verifiable today, like in and near Jerusalem.

>>513593491
>yeah just don't chose to be evil (strikes your 1yo kid with cancer)

Yeah it contains a strawman as well as a non-sequitur. The understanding of Christian evil is fundamentally wrong. This is just a rhetorical sleight of hand. Nothing more.

> could God have created a world with free will but without evil
is nonsense, like literally a string of a words that don’t mean anything. It’s like asking if god could have made a world where up is down and down is up. The words are legible but nothing real is being referred to by them.

>>513600299
>Nobody claims the universe popped out of nothing[...]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWyN7Jlulo8

Wrong. Atheists do that in regard to the Big Bang theory, which by the way got its name as a pejorative way of referring to Catholic priest, physicist and mathematician Georges Lemaître's "hypothesis of the primeval atom", which I think he may have developed or explored partly due to atheistic assertions from his own time that the universe had always existed.

>The intelligent design hipothesis has no verifiable proof.

I literally referenced a good book about scientific creationism, and have offered other sources in this thread worth checking out (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA-FcnLsF1)...

But you can also watch --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCBHNDTEgWk

Your last sentence doesn't make sense to me and made me think you're not really paying attention to my arguments. What straw-man? "It is not evident", then explain why picrel exists as an awesome repeating pattern in an ideal world, why DNA acts like a programming language, the cosmological constant or why the Fibonacci sequence exists. How could these things just appear out of nothing, for no reason, out of materialistic chaos?

Yes, I still believe the burden of proof false on someone claiming our world popped out of nothing for no reason, or acting like it, given previous reasons for a Supreme Creator who has also revealed Himself in the Bible, which contains historical documents and archaelogical references that are verifiable today, like in and near Jerusalem. Out of nothing, nothing comes. There must be an uncaused cause and a first mover above natural laws.

>>513591878 (OP)
God lets Evil proliferate because Henis punishing us. Your pic is a retarded outdated fallacy from some barefoot savage from 2500 years ago. Kill yourself.

>>513595052
He can create such a world and He did. It's called Heaven. You're not allowed in it though.

>>513600970
First of all, what makes you think a one-year-old who getting cancer is God's fault and not a demon's fault, the parents' fault, the government's fault, the supermarket's fault, or someone's fault regarding chemical or radioactive mistakes? Secondly, yeah, God is the owner of life and He can give it or take it away. Are you going to cry about it or accept it? There is nothing wrong with the latter, it just makes sense.

>>513594988
>be jew worshipper
>be too fucking stupid to defend your jewish splinter religion
>babble incoherently about meds and ai
lol. LMAO even.

>>513591878 (OP)
Wow what a stupid way of saying you don't understand the concept of free will

>>513601760
Your scenario is what Jews literally believe

>>513601448
Observations done with the JWSTelescope are now leading scientists to question the big bang theory though.

>>513596280
Because he was a lying jewish rabbi with a penchant for naked little boys, was friends with human trafficking pedophile pirates(the two who were arrested and crucified alongside him), and had a god complex.

This is what christians look up to as an example of goodness.

>>513591878 (OP)
God doesn't give a fuck about your feelings negro.

Paradox resolved

>>513600630
False. DNA acting as a programming language is good evidence, as well as the Fibonacci sequence repeating in nature, the intricate workings of the human body, just the sheer fact of us living in an intelligible and ordered world that can be scientifically studied. Just because you can't or won't see it, or understand it, doesn't mean it's there for others to appreciate and understand. And who's "we"? The Big Bang theory is a pejorative name for George Lemaitre's "theory of the primeval atom", and he not only was a physicist and mathematician, but a catholic priest. I hope you can open your eyes to the truth, one of these days, and that your intellect works properly for that truth.

>>513601817
and what made up scenario in your head would that be, moshe?
>>513601771
Free will isn't free, nor will if everything is a part of god's plan.

>>513602054
>spic
>thinking jewish fairytales are the truth because they constantly steal credit just like their jewish masters do
the memes practically write themselves at this point.

>>513593306
>"""oh my le science experts"""
Athiesm is reductionist cancer that thinks humanity should benefit without the idea of any "belief". Religious/occult historians learn from ancient wisdom and the timelines of Gods that persists in documented symbolism motivated by mythology. The JEWS worship Satan turning goyim into athiests. Whoever made this infographic should be shot.

>>513602073
Sorry it was the indojeet not you canajeet, nevermind.
The second part .. just shut up jeet, stop trying to be clever. Stick to poo.

>>513591878 (OP)
EZ. God absolutely could annihilate all evil right now with no effort. He could have easily created a world were evil is impossible. He could end all suffering without even trying. He chooses not to. This is good because He does it and He is good. Just because you think it’s bad doesn’t mean it is bad. You just don’t know what you’re talking about, like a child that doesn’t understand why he can’t have ice cream every day.

>>513602054
What about black holes? The sheer weight of them even crushing light. Why god like them so much?

Imagine being stupid enough to believe in a caananite mythological entity that was clearly made up by desert dwelling schizos.

>>513602127
What a moronic, ignorant and racist comment, yet you feel intellectually superior and like you know better about the universe, how pathetic. What did you accomplish? Only to your freely chosen spiritual detriment. May God Almighty have mercy on you.

>>513593720
Even for the damage they cause, earthquakes and voclanos have been integral to this planet’s development and provide many benefits by changing the landscape, particularly volcanos. And scientists view it that way too. Tell me a better system for geology that you know of.

>>513602584
Imagine being stupid enough to believe the Father of Lies who hates you and wants to bring you down to the fire that doesn't extinguish and the worms that don't die, and to your own spiritual detriment, when you have the chance to live eternally in the presence of the living and perfectly just God who's full of love and mercy.

Imagine being stupid enough to ignore all the evidence and arguments that have stood the test of time for centuries regarding the existence of God, and millions' of people's testimony.

>>513603228
It's a load of horseshit, m8.

>>513601820
If that's the case, I guess there's more room for the Flat Earth model, its corresponding evidence and scientific experiments like this one: https://www.bitchute.com/video/frpjCQezu8MZ/

You do know most, if not all, mainstream astronomical photography coming from big names like NASA is edited, right? Like they don't exactly portray outer space as it is?

A flat Earth wouldn't really contradict a biblically-based worldview, in my opinion. It's just a different way of seeing things, which by the way existed in past centuries.

Interesting Youtube channel that I find fun to watch sometimes (with a grain of salt):
https://www.youtube.com/@FlatEarthAndCoffee

But the scientific endeavor is in a constant process of self-questioning and optimization, that's normal, just like there have been multiple atomic models.

>>513596987

That is blaming the victim. An all powerful god could have easily fixed volcanoes and earthquakes.

The reason you are hiding from is simple: Your god is not all powerful. It is limited like any engineer or other creator.

>>513600289
> be me, galaxy brain thinking about "objective morality"
> want something that holds up over long evolution timescales
> realize cooperation is it
> iterated games make reciprocity, honesty, and fairness win long-term
> groups that cheat implode, groups that cooperate scale and thrive
> “don’t harm cooperative partners without cause” becomes meta-rule
> keep promises, don’t defraud, punish defectors proportionally
> restore cooperation > pointless escalation
> fairness = people stay in the game, reputation stays clean
> protection for the vulnerable keeps the system from eating itself
> as tech/institutions grow, moral circle expands beyond kin/tribe
> impartial rules > parochial collusion in the long run
> not just pragmatism: you resist cheating even when you could get away with it
> because everyone living under the same rules is the point
> objective-ish because it’s grounded in stable strategies, not vibes
> still conditional on reality: repeated interactions, uncertainty, scarce resources
> if those change, details shift, but reciprocity stays the attractor
> mfw morality is basically “be a good co-op partner, punish exploiters, scale trust”

>>513602858
An all powerful god can easily achieve the same ends without causing suffering.

>>513604037
I don't know what to make of that.

>>513604037
Yeah, things like justice and honesty tend to benefit society, but corrupt societies exist where fair play cooperation doesn't mean more progress, better birth rates and so on. Have you seen North Korea? Have you taken a look at Japanese birth rates? You ignored my previous argument about murdering, cheating, stealing and lying being compatible with reproductive success and survival, which are states that can be achieved morally or immorally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k64YJYBUFLM&list=PL3gdeV4Rk9EcdXA1dVgb7-C0lXtp6LFp4

>>513591878 (OP)
This argument only works against the monotheist kikes

Theres no conflict with the pagan view of divinity because it's synonymous with nature

>>513605172
> marriages/birth rates aren’t “moral vibes” but economic tech for a given production mode

> agrarian world.exe
> kids = farmhands, retirement plan, labor surplus = wealth
> women’s role centered in home because home = production unit
> early marriage, many births, high infant mortality fallback
> monogamous lifelong marriage = stable labor coalition that feeds itself
> works because 10 kids = +10 hands and zero daycare bills
> divorce catastrophic, so bonds are economic steel, not Disney glue
> tl;dr “old-timey” marriage optimized for wheat, not Wi‑Fi

> industrial world.exe
> factories/computers need skills, not six-year-old pickers
> schooling years go 6 12 16 22
> children flip from producers expensive consumers
> fertility falls below replacement, life expectancy doubles
> women’s time freed from nonstop childbearing; options explode
> marriage no longer enforced by economic doom
> love-only glue = more divorce, later marriage, fewer kids
> family form destabilizes because the factory doesn’t pay brides, it pays degrees

> culture war copypasta
> traditionalists: “return to norms or else”
> reality: demographics > discourse, cost curves > sermons
> coercion tries to jam agrarian firmware into industrial hardware
> system BSODs: black markets, resentment, low compliance
> traditions can’t win long-term because incentives don’t line up

Sorry for the greentext. I have more details explainations for this which goes beyond the character limit of this forum.

(more greentext below)

>>513605557

(continued)

> so what “works”?
> agrarian: yes, lifelong monogamy + many kids = rational, robust
> industrial: need non-traditional adaptations to match incentives
> fewer kids invest more per child, dual-income norms, later marriage
> legal/economic scaffolding: childcare, parental leave, flexible work, human capital focus
> marriages shift from survival contracts partnership platforms
> measure “works” by outcomes: stable childrearing, productive adults, voluntary commitment
> different tech stack, different family stack

> conclusion.exe
> organizing society around one universal marriage template = bad engineering
> in farming mode, lifelong monogamy is a time-tested optimization
> in advanced economies, success needs plural forms and supportive policy so families are chosen, not compelled
> not trad vs anti-trad, it’s fit-to-environment
> adapt the institution to the economy, not the economy to a nostalgia filter

Imagine talking about Evil. Yet unable to define it. You deserved your circumcision.

>evil exists therefore God = evil
evil is the absence of creation. for example, a dog is intelligent but cannot choose to avoid what's apparently good because it's not aware of morality. further, suffering of any measure results in an equal measure of good or forgiveness. I'm only reminding people, and disbelievers will never be convinced.

Can we stop pretending religion is anything but malicious tool to control people? This includes other faith like the world needs le jewish banker capitalism to work. It's all cult brainwashing. Has always been,

>513591878
So because God created a world in which evil can exist, for reasons only He knows, you choose to be evil and degenerate because you're unable to comprehend?

You're worse than a reddit atheist troon, you're a 1pbtid jew on top of that.

>>513593720
earthquakes and volcanic eruptions are necessary to keep Asian hordes in check.