Thread 513599541

The bible teaches us that God created us in his image. What obligation does this bestow upon his loyal followers? Do we have to treat every homeless crackhead like an equal, or can we acknowledge the inherent differences between us? How about immigrants, the non-Christians? Are we required to support things like social safety nets for these downtrodden folk?

I would consider myself to be a Christian nationalist, but I struggle with this. I recognize that immigrants harm the nation, but does our scripture not encourage us to assist the downtrodden? Did Jesus just want a welfare state?

>>513599541 (OP)
Just don't hate them, that's all.

>>513599541 (OP)
2 John 1:10

If youre welcoming those who HATE Christ into your house you are not doing Gods will.

>>513599541 (OP)
>made in gods image

Who gives a shit what some old book says? Might as well check the odyssey

>>513599541 (OP)
And we only have to take one look at the kikes today and how they behave the exact opposite of what Jesus told people to be to recognize they are not the chosen people (tribe of judah never was) and that they are indeed a synagogue of satan.

Donin's translation of statements taken from the Talmud into French changed the Christian perception about Jews. Christians had viewed the Jews as the followers of the Old Testament who honored the Law of Moses and the prophets, but the alleged blasphemies included among the Talmudic texts indicated that Jewish understandings of the Old Testament differed from the Christian understanding.[17] Louis IX stated that only skilled clerics could conduct a disputation with Jews, but that laymen should plunge a sword into those who speak ill of the Christ.[18][19]

Holohoax couldnt even keep people sympathetic for a century. Dwell on that.

>>513599900
that doesn't mean you can't deport them lovingly

>>513599900
The real translation to this is "sojourns" and not "resides." Very different. To sojourn is to temporarily stay.

>>513599900
This isn't what you think it means.
1) Doesn't say bring them in
2) To treat them with love is to treat them as equals to the standard therefor if they came in illegally you're to deport them which would be the universal standard.
3) The conception of love is an act of justice, bringing and laying down the conception of the good or what is right.
There's essentially isn't the contradiction you think exists in your image.

>>513599541 (OP)
The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 19:34

‘Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Deuteronomy 27:19

I was eyes to the blind, and feet to the lame. I was a father to the needy, and I championed the cause of the stranger. I broke the fangs of the unrighteous, and made them drop their prey from their teeth.
Job 29:15-17

The Lord watches over the strangers; he upholds the orphan and the widow, but the way of the wicked he brings to ruin.
Psalm146:9

You shall allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the aliens who reside among you and have begotten children among you. They shall be to you as citizens of Israel; with you they shall be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel.
Ezekiel 47:22

Thus says the Lord of hosts: Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another; do not oppress the widow, the orphan, the alien, or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another.
Zechariah 7:9-10

I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.
Matthew 25:35

Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers.
Romans 12:13

Let mutual love continue. Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it.
Hebrews 13:1-3

>>513599541 (OP)
It does not say "let only White nations be destroyed by millions of hostile strangers and strange religions and antichrist ideologies" that is not in the Bible. Also "anti-racism" is not in the Bible, people are different kinds, every seed should be after its own kind, as God made us.

Plus: White people are are the literal physical Israelites, the custodian of God's word (Isaiah 59:21), and we are meant to dwell alone among ourselves in our own Christian nations (ethnos), and not be slaves to other peoples and their unholy Egyptian pyramid scams.

>>513600277
This isn't what you think it means, very common occurrence.

>>513600835
I imagine it just means for the Kingdom of Heaven. I don't think a lot of them have to be taken literally.

>>513599541 (OP)
Jesus Christ is the prince of peace.
It doesn't take a genius to realize that mass migration has reduced peace and increased chaos.
So any decent Christian should fight against it in the name of peace.

>>513600277
This just means you should treat visitors with respect. But visitors go away eventually.

>>513599541 (OP)
The Bible doesn't tell you to accept immigrants.

>The Bible says to allow the synagogue of satan to ruin your country by orchestrating a foreign invasion
Where does it say this?

>>513600277
None of this has anything to do with immigration, it clearly delineates
>Foreigner

That is, when they aren't blatantly lifted out of context either.

Well I'm a Jew, but I don't think the creation of Adam in the image and likeness of God imposes a duty to care for every other human. I think our duty is more like "don't do to others what you would not want them to do to you" but you can leave them alone.

>>513599980
>And we only have to take one look at the kikes today and how they behave the exact opposite of what Jesus told people to be to recognize they are not the chosen people (tribe of judah never was) and that they are indeed a synagogue of satan.
You do realize that "kikes" take their commands from the OT not the NT, right? But I think generally they're consistent about how to treat people, after all Jesus repeated a lot of things from the OT.

>>513601429
Can you provide an example of jews leaving other people alone?

>>513601598
Many. How many of the Jewish men in black outfits and hats and white shirts, have ever proselytized to you or even talked to you?

Did the Jews reach out to Hitler and demand to be sent to the shiny new fun camps he had available for them?

gmafb

>>513599663
Underrated and answer everything, but OP and this echochamber would ignore it because they are spammers allowed by mods.

>>513601698
>have ever proselytized to you or even talked to you?
Me? None. My government and lawmakers? Influencers and people with an audience? My media and finance system? My currency issuing system? Lol.

>Epstein.jpg

>>513601850
so you didn't merit their attention. They talk to those they want to talk to. In the case of most Jews, it's pretty much just other Jews. Of course we have people involved in business and politics.

Presumably you do the same, if you can. Do you think everyone welcomes the opportunity to talk to you?

>>513599900
>horribly mistranslate the bible
>act surprised when it now contains contradictions
retard

>>513601993
>so you didn't merit their attention.
That's right, because I'm not in government and I can't be swayed to wield the might and power of the USA to Israel's advantage.

>Of course we have people involved in business and politics.
Yeah, in ours.

>>513602032
OP here, can you elaborate on this a little more? How was this mistranslated? How should it actually be applied?

>>513602100
It is our country too. We have been here since the founding.

>>513602106
>>513600068
>>513600075
>>513600203

>>513602156
No, you're foreign interlopers seeking to plunder and use this country to your benefit. I don't care about the tall tale of Ibrahim Shlomoberg III who lived in Jamestown and is a remarkable tale of tolerance and the deep relation between America and jews and how we should denounce antisemitism or something.

>>513599541 (OP)
We're supposed to help others - but not at the expense of our own children.
>Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. (1 Tim. 5:8)
Government deficits are a tax on future generations. Your going into debt and passing it on to your children.
You help when you can, not when you're already underwater. Spending your childrens' birthrights so you can virtue signal is Satanic.

State policy and individual conduct are two separate things. You can show kindness to a murderer in prison, while also believing he should be in prison. Likewise you can treat immigrants humanely, while also believing they should be deported.

>>513599541 (OP)

I have done lots of research and deep thinking and much prayer about this very topic. Being a Christian doesn't mean allowing your country to be overtaken by invaders. There are places in the bible that distinguish between foreigners and invading armies. The biblical position on foreigners is to send them back home humanely. To treat them with concern and understanding while they are in our care and to help them improve their homeland where we can afford to--through humanitarian aid, missionaries, educators and by assisting with economic development. The goal is to make the situation such that they can build up their own countries.The bible DOES NOT call us to allow foreign hordes to rob us blind. As for crackheads and bums, they too should be offered spiritual counsel and treatment, and jailed when necessary. Jail should be rehabilliatory in nature and not gladiator school. The idea is to impart God's love for them on them so that they recover from whatever their issue is in a humane way. We are not called to hand over our hard-earned money to people begging at the freeway onramp, but we are called to pray for/with them, talk with them, be compassionate towards them, and seek to understand what got them there and to help lift them out of their situation where and when we are in a position to help--we are also called to use our discernment (which is a gift of the Holy Spirit) to assess the severity of their situation and whether or not they are BS artists/sociopaths who don't want to work or wound up in that situation due to reasons not entirely in their control (mental defective, divorce, imprisoned for a crime they didn't commit, family dead, etc) We are always called to show kindness, compassion and to lend them an ear and our prayer. But we are not called to help an unrepentant sinner continue to live in sin. In fact, to do that would be doing him a grave disservice in the eyes of God.

>>513603685
How about giving to the poor? It's mentioned a lot in the bible. Jesus said to feed the hungry, for instance. Is the separation between state policy and individual conduct there if we live in a Christian nation? Do you think that it is the duty of a Christian nation to create systems that share wealth to with the downtrodden?

>>513604508
This is very insightful, I appreciate you taking the time to share your wisdom with me.

I deeply empathize with people who are going through rough times. I've gone through them myself. Something I struggle with is feeling many of them deserve to be in their positions. I can't see Criminals who have spent their life hurting others, whether it be physically or financially, the same as someone who has led a good life, but recently encountered hardship. The criminal chose to act with violence when he should have chosen peace. I can forgive the criminal, but should forgiveness require ignorance? If I invite the criminal into my home, he still poses a threat to me and my family. Should I not take in his past actions and judge his character, even if he has repented?

>>513604576

If you want to give money to the poor individually you CAN. I would first talk to him to ascertain A.) What he planned to do with the money B.) How he ended up in the situation C.) How long he had been in the situation D.) What his plan was to get out of the situation. If the plan to get out sounded utterly unrealistic (which it often does) or not very well thought out, I would hesitate to give him very much. A few dollars if he seemed genuinely good natured but messed up in the head. Outside of a couple of bucks to get a bite to eat, giving to the poor should be done through the church. Give to your church and specify that you'd like the money to go toward homeless outreach and services. Giving doesn't always have to be a financial commitment either. You can give your time, help out at a local homeless shelter, lending them an ear, talking to them like a human. Manyof these people haven't been spoken to like a human in a long time and it can go a long way in terms of their self-esteem and confidence to just have a "normal" person treat them as an equal. God bless and good luck, friend :)

>>513599541 (OP)
One of gods punishments is to be an immigrant and to be hated by all around you.

>>513599541 (OP)
Norice how in the old testimwnt it tells the israelites that if they do not oney God they will be ruled by women, and flooded foreigners in Isaiah 3 and deuteronomy 28:43-44.

If those things are decribed as curses and judgements, then we should view them as such. Jesus said to be merciful to the poor, but not to destroy yourself for the sake of proving your virtue. Remember, we are not the savior, Jesus is. If we try to give everything we have to end poverty, the result will be our poverty, and thus the continuation of poverty. You have to be wise as well as loving.

>>513599541 (OP)
As far as immigrants go, where does it say that to help a foreigner from the other side of the world you must move him and his family into your home and give him your own standard of living? Because that's what immigration in the current set up does.

If the immigrant cannot improve his own society, he is, by running away to yours, refusing to improve his own mind, and refusing to renew his mind. When christian thinking swept the roman empire, it was not predicated on everyone taking welfare and flocking away from work that won them the final victory over Jupitor, but because the christians were willing to work, to suffer and to be persecuted for the sake of christ. Their reward was from God, because they had exhausted what men could do on their own for their own reasons, and they continued into hardship for the sake of honoring Jesus Christ. They remained as slaves, for example, in many cases that they could have attained freedom, for the sake of love for their families that they had sired in slavery, and for the sake of their witness to their masters. In many cases this did not convert anyone, nut in that failure to turn men to Christ, there was all the more reason for the christian slave to know he had honored God, because he had given everything he could for the sake of the gospel, not for himself. The example was obvious to others, who saw a strength in that christian, a stoic determination to do his duty to his true Master and Savior, even if it cost him his freedom. That's part of the christian ethic that you cannot just give to a random person because they are poor or foreign. They have to choose it themselves. If you try to give people a mentality which comes from enduring suffering, they won't understand or appreciate it. They must attain it for themselves by following Jesus Christ for his sake.

It's all well and good to be generous, but if you take food from the mouth of your child, or your neighbor, to give it to a foreigner, that's theft.

>>513599743
That picture reflects 'the sins of the father.' It is the intergenerational consequence of sin. It destroys you, your children and your grandchildren for generations after you are gone.

>>513606550

well said.

>>513599663
Pretty much this. Just because we're not supposed to go out and people or force conversion by the sword, but kikes twisted it into ALWAYS being loving to others to the point of self destruction, capitulation and ignoring the parts about how the shepherds still need to protect their flock from the wolves. Like, be kind and loving but not to the point of pointlessly putting yourself into harms way for no reason.

Absolute state of Christfags.

>>513606785
Europeans had a great deal going for them to begin with, but in Christianity there was a codified reason for them to do away with
>murderers
>thiefs
>rapists
While at the same time forbidding
>incest
>bestiality
>homosexuality

In the eugenic sense, this meant that all three criminal types had less opportunity to pass along their proclivities, while the other three were repressed in propagation, thus gradually improving the genetic composition of the europeans.

Further, christianity exhaulted personal traits of
>honesty
>hard work
>monogamy
>strong fathers
>submissive women
>obedient children
>loyal citizens
>merciful neigbors
>respect for elders
>kindness to animals

These traits gradually became prominant in europeans as well, at a faster pace than they otherwise would have, because of their religious, as well as practical, impitus.

For the non christian and non-european to gain these same benefits by osmosis is impossible, except on a multigenerational timeline, as happened in europe. To try and shortcircut the process by giving them something they are not prepared for, a high standard of living akin to that which the european has earned and been bred to reproduce, will only ensure that the immigrant will be unable to sustain it, and will become angry, discouraged, violent, destructive.

As the chinese explain, the europeans are an advanced civilization, similar to a child well advanced in school. It is right for the advanced student to set a good example for and teach those in lower grades, but unreasonable to expect a 3rd grader to function at the collegiate level. If the white christians are intent to help the non whites, they must help them understand the generations worth of lessons necessary to develop themselves. This requires the same patience and longsuffering from whites for the non-whites as would have been required of us, perhaps more patience in many cases, but it does not work at if the non-whites move into european based societies.

>>513606785
>>513607425
We cannot make the non-whites better by giving them the fruit of civilization which they have not earned, and do not understand. It has already proven to be dangerous. Look at any industry where non-white.immigration has displaced white labor, and you will see a drop in quality, and standards. This is not about folding pants or cleaning toilets or mowing lawns, but about
>infrastructure failure
>medical malpractice
>vehicular homicide
>police shootings
>general lowering of standards

The people coming into a nation must be the same sort as built the nation, or they will destroy it. If i went to Japan, and ten million others like me, and we all lived and bred there, we would destroy it. I happen to like Japan, and consider it to be an offense against God to destroy a nation that he has put together. So therefore, out of respect for God and his creation, I do not move to Japan, even though it looks lovely, and the people seem quite lovely as well. I would not marry and breed a Japanese woman either, for the same reason. To join with her is to destroy her. And to destroy a people, is among the worst offenses against God. Remember God created the Nations. God set their boundaries. If I were ignorant of God i might do something like that, vut knowing that God wants us to have regard for oneanother, even if other people do not understand that, I cannot violate the injunction of God.

The inverse is also true. Just because some forwigner doesn't know any better doesn't mean that I can or should permit him to destroy my nation and people by moving in and breeding confused mixed children who are no longer a part of my people. It doesn't matter how ignorant, vrutal or insistant the foreigner is, HE DOESN'T KNOWANY BETTER. I'm the christian, and so it is my reaponsibility to know right from wrong and keep violations of basic morality from happening, as far as I am able. Christians are responsible for the administration of morality on earth. No one else.

>>513599541 (OP)
https://christiansfortruth.com/strangers-in-the-bible-who-they-are-and-who-they-are-not/

>>513599541 (OP)
Matthew 25:40
And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

Proverbs 19:17
Kindness to the poor is a loan to the LORD, and He will repay the lender.

Hebrews 6:10
For God is not unjust. He will not forget your work and the love you have shown for His name as you have ministered to the saints and continue to do so.

James 2:15-16
Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. / If one of you tells him, “Go in peace; stay warm and well fed,” but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that?

Galatians 6:10
Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to the family of faith.

Luke 10:36-37
Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?” / “The one who showed him mercy,” replied the expert in the law. Then Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

1 John 3:17-18
If anyone with earthly possessions sees his brother in need, but withholds his compassion from him, how can the love of God abide in him? / Little children, let us love not in word and speech, but in action and truth.

and so on

>>513606785
>>513607954
All the other bit about standard of living is a distraction. Who cares if a homosexual gets to live in a mansion if he hurts a dozen kids before he goes to hell? Is that better, to let society be destroyed for the sake of the perception of niceness and accomidation to a faggot? Or is it better to make him have to live in fear of being found out, keep him from having access to kids, and run him out of town or get him lynched if he is ever found to mess with a child? It used to be the latter in america, and homosexuals were not nearly as big a problem back then, and it was done by ordinary christians.

What about divorce? Is it better to affirm and accomidate divorce and let everyone pretend that it's fine to be remarried 8 times? Look at the court system that favours women, as a means of keeping the divorce system going, and look at the kids of divorced women and say it's good. It is not christian, but it has become mainstream to permit it, and now it is endemic in nearly every church in the world. There was a time.when women couldn't get the children in divorce, and couldn't file unless they got beaten and so divorce was uncommon. Now they can do it for any reason and steal kids and money, and they live that way.

No one is going to fix that problem except christian men. Everyone else is fine with the state of things as they are, the atheists, jews, muslims pagans, you name it this is how they like things. No one but christians has any reason to reign in the destruction of american society, or white european society, except the christians. We are the only ones with the responsibility to be moral, and uplift society by opposing sin and vice.

Nothing about bringing in millions of non-white immigrants has helped these problems at all. Instead we have stopped dealing with them to deal with another warehouse of problems, all of them requiring we overcoming the failure and perminent incompatibility of immigrants with white christian societies.

>>513608204
Christians have given more charity of goods services and food to the world's poor than all other peoples and organizations in the history of the world combined. Making all the world's foreigners into citizens of your own country is a whole other balewick.

Funny how everyone talks about protecting "their people" but suddenly forget Jesus broke bread with strangers, tax collectors, and Samaritans. Maybe the real sin is closing your borders while claiming to follow Christ

If He were here today, He'd be shaking His head at all those demonizing and harassing immigrants.

>>513608576
No it isn't and no he wouldn't. God created nations and peoples and judged Babylon for trying to unite the world. You know neither the power of God nor the scriptures.

>>513608681
Ah yes, the classic "God made nations, so don"t care about His mercy" argument.

But funny though... Jesus didn't come to Babylon, He came to people, including tax collectors, Samaritans, and strangers. You really think God's plan ends at national borders? Sounds like you put your politics above His teachings lol

nobody needs to learn anything about christianity from a south asian subcontinental pajeet

learn to recognize pajeet threads. learn to stop giving (You)s, which end up as rupees, to OPs like this. jews pay pajeets to spam this board en masse with the same globohomo agenda that you're still associating with only jews. since 2023 you are much more likely to see jew noise posted by a pajeet. there are a hundred times as many pajeets as there are jews. if you want any part of the internet to survive, you must detect, reject and redeem pajeets everywhere you find them

the majority of pajeets on /pol/ try to hide the fact that they're pajeets. in addition to "leaving that part out" they will proactively, persistently misrepresent their true form. pajeets are all about assuming other people's roles, from today's outsourcing and replacement migration all the way back to thuggee bandits lying to travelers about who they were. pajeets are devoid of their own identity, making them the ideal globalized goyim. they don't want a home where they belong. all that means to them is "compete in squalor." much better to go somewhere nicer, built by other people, and do their jobs for less pay and live slum-barracks life in their suburbs. pajeets don't want to be home. they also don't want to be pajeets. jews know exactly how to play their insecurities and dopey ambitions like the innocent rube fresh off the bus from the cornfield. this is their new golem to replace the ones that don't love them anymore

pajeets should be posting on bharatchan and living on the subcontinent