Thread 513611769

I never heard a good argument against incest

>>513611769 (OP)
OP is deaf btw

>>513611769 (OP)
Germany is a pretty good arguement.

>>513611769 (OP)
sisters don't look like this

>>513611769 (OP)
>alt-right board
>full of perverts and non-whites
What causes this?

>>513611840
True, pink is a very unnatural eye colour.

>>513611769 (OP)
It slightly increases your odds of homozygous alleles.

>>513611769 (OP)
Incest is for the elites only, not the inbred plebian

>>513611769 (OP)
Pakistan.

>>513611840
this

>>513611769 (OP)
i don't have a sister

>>513611769 (OP)
How the fuck did ancient people avoid inbreeding while living in small tribes?

>>513611769 (OP)
this anime girl must be some kinda psyop

>>513611769 (OP)
Pakis indians and a good amount of arabs are a perfect argument against it.
Becoming an inbred violent retard isn't a desirable outcome to have.
Not to mention the laundry list of diseases and health conditions you end up with.
Jews are a perfect example of this

>>513611963
I don't care about these test. Humans aren't mice

>>513612338
>How the fuck did ancient people avoid inbreeding while living in small tribes?
They didn't. Almost all of your ancestors married their first cousin.

>>513612338
they liberator'd the women from other small tribes sheeit Dima are you even Russian?

>>513611769 (OP)
Am i supposed to argue with you about you being weird?

>>513612659
Nope, first cousin marriages are what mutilated the Pakistani population.
They have the highest amount of birth defects within the UK.
Only second and third cousins show beneficial outcomes

>>513612729
>Only second and third cousins show beneficial outcomes
that's not just "beneficial", that's ideal
anything closer you get inbreeding depression
anything beyond that you get outbreeding depression

>>513612729
>>513612729
>Nope
Yes, retard. Humans have been on this Earth for hundreds of thousands of years. For almost all of that time they lived in small tribes and married their first cousin. Even Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein married their first cousin.

You cannot get "inbreeding depression" if deleterious genes don't exist.

>>513611769 (OP)
ptolemeic egypt held all the world's knowledge and they were very fucking incestual

>>513611769 (OP)
The most obvious reason is increased chance of recessive heredity. A family tree without branches does no favors,

>>513611812
Fpbp
>>513611769 (OP)
Why didn't you fuck your own mother, OP?

>>513613214
The royal line was into incest, but do you think they were doing the record keeping? The scribes that held all the knowledge would have known that incest makes idiots.

>>513611769 (OP)
Children from incest relationships are more likely to be retarded. And tou dont want retarded children.

But otherwise from natural/science standpoint there is nothing wrong with fucking your sister as long as tou dont impregnate her. But morally its still fucked up or being insanely desperate and sister really feels bad for you being alone.

>>513613022
Everyone has negative gene's and negative gene expression.
Obviously you're stupid to understand why bottlenecking negative traits fucks you up even though shitskins are a perfect example of how this has played out.
Seethe more brainlet

>>513611769 (OP)
>I never heard a good argument against incest

See how it's going in middle east and tell me how genetic works over there.

>>513613390
but humans had to come from somewhere so does that mean the first human was some 6 gorillion iq gigachad but because he had to fuck himself to breed so the first humans are dumbed down incest kids? doesn't that also mean that we are all related and therefore with each generation we grow dumber and dumber because we are from the same original human?

>>513613390
for us it was just a nice, safe way to have our first experiences. but you really should grow out of it after a while

>>513613568
Incest is something normal for most animals and most likely for humans in their earliest history. Its not guaranteed that incest will lead to retards, it increases chance of retardation but still at some moment simply humans who were less incestuous managed to out survive and outbreed more incestuous ones. Because that chance for retardation from incest actually mattered for humans. Thats why by default man by nature is not attracted to his biological sister no matter how hot and sexy she is.

>>513613752
exact same situation with homosexual play among boys, which is not rare. most don't grow out of it nowadays.

>>513611769 (OP)
>I never heard a good argument against incest
Me neither da, have any crumpets?

>>513611928
jews poisoning the well

>>513613469
>Everyone has negative gene's and negative gene expression.
No they do not, retard. There are even some species who prefer mating with their siblings. You don't know wtf you're talking about. Please shut the fuck up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding#Animals

The only reason inbreeding is a problem is because outbreeding has allowed so many deleterious carriers to live. For basically every other animal species, inbreeding is not a problem at all.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/05/210503144729.htm

>>513611769 (OP)
It’s morally wrong according to the Bible and produces offspring that is dysgenic to the human species.

>>513612115
>BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG
>"WTF YOU WANT BITCH?"
>"..."
>PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP

>>513613574
I will never forgive that guy for picking his sister when he could have had goth loli like wtf was wrong with him

>>513614381
>Provided animal studys
Denys endless examples of what happens to humans when they do this.
Not only the subhuman browns but throughout the history of "nobility"
Is to stupid to understand what mutational load is.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
Inbreeding among humans can lead to increased risks of genetic disorders, congenital defects, and reduced biological fitness due to a lack of genetic diversity. This is primarily because closely related individuals are more likely to pass on harmful recessive traits to their offspring, which can result in various health issues.

If there was no pregnancy risk I legitimately think Incest should be legalized.
But I guess part of the appeal is that it's illegal and thus taboo. The idea that two people can secretly love each other in private and do things they shouldn't together, and it's someone you were never supposed to have intimacy with, is in the same ballpark as fucking your teacher or having sex with a nurse, only it's your 16 year old sister, and she wants you to take her virginity while mom and dad are asleep because she needs practice. Of course you're only 9 years old, but you have a big shota cock, so it's based.

>>513614669
99% of your ancestors married their first-cousin, second-cousin, niece, or sibling. This is a fact.

>>513611963
>we presume epigenetic changes
daily reminder that soientists routinely demonstrate a lack of understanding of even the fundamental elements of their fields

>wowie!
>after deliberately breeding homozygotes and observing 99.5% nonviability, subsequent generations were fine!
>could it be... heckin' natural selection???
>no... inbreeding bad... talmudvision told me so... must be buzzword instead!
these are fucking geneticists

>>513611769 (OP)
That's because you are utterly ignorant of biology, or natural law.

All you -really- need to know is that under the new formulation of our society, you would be stoned to death for the act.

First cousin marriage is going to be extirpated from Europe, because not only is it eugenic, it is a plausibly deniable way to wage ideological warfare on Islamists, under the auspice of humanism.

Same reason we will ban Halal and Kosher slaughter, and make circumcision recognised as a form of ritual child abuse.

>>513614586
should've won

>>513614586
The other show he made after really made the same argument. Next door neighbor had a loli writer that was good friends with the main character and shared alot of the same interests but still decided to fuck his sister. I entirely blame the writer for making great supporting characters but prefers his incestous fetish over reality. Having the option for these things is normal for VN's but come the fuck on you wouldn't miss out on the goth gf as a wife. You can just tell when she grows up shes going to have big tits too.

>>513615081
these are recessive traits that anyone can pass on, but will have a higher probability of passing it on if both parents carry the gene, which would be more likely if they’re related.
honestly there’s no argument against it with modern medicine. pure bred dogs are usually inbred af but all the negative traits are selectively bred out.

>>513611822
I think you meant israel

>>513614805
>I didn't understand what was written but I'll pretend I did anyway

>>513614803
Not all of them. Most move on from that practice if the population grows large enough. Europeans had tons of pagan/christian festivals that would bring in far flung communities which would reduce the need for such marriages. Likewise arranged marriages tried to avoid it by marrying daughters off that were more likely to marry to a richer town over. It was not a hard fast rule that it happened. Muslims must do shit differently i know the iraqi's like keeping the wealth/genes within the family which makes this much worse in the long term. We aren't in the Egyptian times were populations were tiny by comparison.

>>513614669
>what happens to humans when they do this
aryans, you retarded bong nigger
or do you think recessive traits spread widely throughout a population by pure happenstance?

>>513615311
explain it then, other retarded bong nigger
be sure to elaborate on how epigenetic switches can cause 99.5% nonviability in a single generation and then none two generations later after a severe population bottleneck

>>513614586
yup

>>513611812
Kek

>>513615425
People don't "move on from the practice". What actually happened is that governments hate endogamy because it is tribal. All governments promote endogamy as a form of social and political integration/assimilation. Incest was banned for social and political reasons. Not biological.

>>513614669
>endless examples of what happens to humans when they do this
Those lineages that accumulate deleterious genes die off, and by random chance others do not. Mentioning mutated nobles is pretty pointless when their healthier lineages still exist. You think of it like a human would, but evolution doesnt give a damn. Of course it's terrible if children die, but to nature that's completely normal. It's irrelevant even. Inbreeding in itself does not create deleterious genes, nor does outbreeding cure them. My cousin wouldn't have a heart condition if outbreeding did this. It just doesn't work like that - but instead of an incestuous lineage either dying off or by random chance healing their issues, outbreeding can spread these diseases to everyone. The only mechanism to cure them is extinction, child mortality and random chance. And there will always be more deleterious mutations, because everyone's DNA mutates as they age. A deleterious gene perhaps being recessive is also irrelevant - blue eyes and blonde hair are also recessive but spread over much of the world.

>>513611769 (OP)
The funny thing about the pro-incest arguments I've heard is that it's usually from people who don't even have a sibling of the opposite sex. If they did, they would know two things:

#1 You will just not be sexually attracted to them no matter what. This is by nature's design. It's biological fact that siblings who grow up in the same household together just naturally don't look at each other that way, never needing to be taught that incest is bad, except in extreme outlier cases (usually some kind of mental handicap - insanity or very low IQ).

#2 Growing up in the same household together, you will get to know each other's most repulsive behaviors, habits, and beliefs. Not to mention, before puberty, you will be knocking the shit out of each other before the disparity of upper body strength sets in. After puberty, you may be inadvertently or actively sabotaging each other's dating life with other kids. After a childhood like that, fucking each other will be the farthest thing on your mind.

>>513615633
Err exogamy. Like when a King from one country marries the Queen from another. To "unite the tribes", you need intermarriage. Thus exogamy was effectively a way to expand your territory. Which is essentially the same reason it happens today.

>>513615633
Still not the full picture. Women and men still cheated on each others, men went to wars and brought extra wives ect. Alot of it is not just based upon laws.

>>513615697
>#1
then there shouldn't be a problem with legalizing it
>#2
that's more of an indictment of your family than an argument against incest

>>513615697
The US marines always said why go down the street when you can go down the hallway for poon tang. Clearly its more of an IQ thing. These pro-incest arguments only account for 3rd removed cousins or some other shit. yet its framed with fetish anime sister fucking incest.

>>513615081
That boy ain't right

>>513615905
>then there shouldn't be a problem with legalizing it
Did you miss the part where I mentioned that only the mentally handicapped want to fuck their siblings? You don't need retards and insane people breeding.
>that's more of an indictment of your family than an argument against incest
Do you have a biological sister (I'm assuming your male)? I'm going to guess you don't, otherwise you would know exactly where I'm coming from.

>>513615697
>#1 You will just not be sexually attracted to them no matter what.
This is correct. It's called the Westermarck Effect. And yes, I have sisters and I am quite disgusted by anything sexual related to them. I'm also the youngest child and my sisters are close to me in age. But I have heard that siblings with large age gaps don't necessarily exhibit characteristics of the Westermarck effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect

On the other hand, people who didn't grow up with their relatives, and who meet them as adults, tend to be very attracted to them. This is because you are most attracted to people who look like you.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/04/people-are-more-attracted-to-those-who-look-like-them-new-study-finds

>>513615933
>yet its framed with fetish anime sister fucking incest.
Yes, I agree. That's the only reason why it's suddenly become a popular thing to discuss: Andy and Leyley, plus the VAST AMOUNT of incest hentai that came before it. I will always maintain it's fetishized by people who don't even have a sibling of the opposite sex. Those of us who did grow up with a sibling of the opposite sex are generally repulsed by the notion.

>>513615905
Since the crux of the matter is not relations but how healthy the offspring is, marriage should be limited by genetic viability, regardless of relations... proponents of incest just do it for their own fetish, not because they care about healthy children. Never going to happen though because jews with all their heritable diseases would likely either go extinct or their numbers would dwindle due to further incest and only a few lucky lineages surviving.

>>513616019
It's not biological but who you grew up with as a kid. Childhood friends almost never end up together, regardless of relation, but of course such behaviour survived in evolution because it's healthier to fuck your cousin than your sibling. That is, those animals who don't have this behaviour have died off (if the opposite behaviour exists to outcompete them)

>>513616170
Even the retards that did have a sibling wouldn't fuck their siblings despite liking the fetish. Its like trannies who watch futanari porn all day and want to act out that fetish with women. It's just a roundabout way of having mentally ill straight sex. Same with them cutting off there dicks to have lesbian porn. LEL indeed just so many examples.

here's your argument OP

>>513611840
Hum... speak for yourself. That's all I'm going to say.

>>513615638
>when their healthier lineages still exist.
Such as.......
What more can you prove those linages kept it in the family and didn't end up fucked up.
Ill be curious to see your wealth of examples

>>513615857
I never claimed it was every single one of your ancestors. But prior to civilization, people lived in small tribes with their extended families. You didn't marry your cousin through some kind of preference, but because there was no one else around. It was either your cousin or your hand. And even if you did cheat, it would have been with a different cousin, not some college whore from another state on Spring Break shitfaced in a bar.

Moreover, tribal societies in general tend to be more hostile to outsiders, and endogamy in general leads to more tribal behavior(but also creates stronger/closer families, same reason ants are all 75% identical to every other ant in their colony).

For that matter, wars as we think of them weren't a thing until agriculture. Neither was "buying wives". When I talk about evolution and your ancestors, I'm talking about the last 200,000 years. Not the last few thousand, or the last few hundred, or less.

>>513616019
so sterilize retards. their breeding is dangerous even if it's not incestuous
>Do you have a biological sister (I'm assuming your male)? I'm going to guess you don't, otherwise you would know exactly where I'm coming from.
see my earlier post. been there, done that

Will someone do that?

Antagonize 4chan?

>>513614461
And yet there are more dysgenic retarded autistic children than medieval ages

>>513616618
I get the argument well made btw. Its the tribal culture vs the nuclear family culture. Clans/large families would make up the local population of a few towns mixed in with other Clans then tribes would form around a few of the successful Clans. This in turn would make up royalty. Alot of the big japanese name brand companies are the result of this who ends up being the defacto royalty since they not only own the land but the companies that work on it.

>>513616641
>see my earlier post. been there, done that
>513613752
>for us it was just a nice, safe way to have our first experiences.

Jesus Christ... the two of you are not normal. In fact, if what you say is true, it already says a whole Hell of a lot about you, and her. And none of it is good. I'll pray for you both.

>>513616618
You are misunderstanding what a "tribe" is.
A Tribe is essentially a confederation made up of multiple clans, clans comprise distinct lineages within a tribe, and most long-lasting tribal societies have rules prohibiting marriage within one's own clan, or moiety.
Entire clans may also split from or join tribes under certain circumstances, as well as individuals joining a clan or setting out on their own; long distance trade has been happening since the stone age, so the supposed xenophobia of tribal societies is clearly not that much of a barrier to commerce.
See; tin trade routes from Britain to the Mediterranean in the pre-classical world.

drinking is worse, but still legal

>>513616831
Thanks. Please direct your prayers to the catholic God for me and the protestant one for her. She converted when she got married.
I don't think we need it but better safe than sorry.

>>513616878
To add to that argument the Egyptians were trading with the Scythians(a steppes civilization), indus valley civilizations and atlantis. Clearly far flung traders amongst other things spread out these incestous relationships. Most sane societies made sure to marry out of these clans unless some other issue happened like natural disaster or great famine caused a bottle neck.

>>513611769 (OP)
Older women are fucking gross. It really is as simple as that. If you are 13 and are getting boners for used up, wrinkly menopausal women, you have something seriously wrong with you.

>>513614586
Goth loli with two hot little sisters even

>>513616878
There are four types of social organization. Bands, Tribes, Chiefdoms, and States.

Most people lived in Bands prior to the neolithic. A Band is about 40 people. Tribes are basically loose confederations of Bands which depend wholly on voluntary support. Chiefdoms are the first form of social organization that has any kind of hierarchical authority.

Clans are not the same as Bands and Tribes because Clans are formed within tribes/states. Although clans are a product of tribal behavior(see nepotism).

States generally hate clannish/tribal behavior because it creates conflict. Although monarchy itself was the product of one clan(faction) coming to dominate the rest. To ease tensions between clans/houses/tribes, states promote exogamy. People are more likely to cooperate with people who are related to them. The more closely they are related, the greater the cooperation.

This is why both states and religions began to discourage incest. To increase social integration/cooperation, not because they recognized a tiny increase in the odds of inheritable diseases.

In any case, even in Europe, pretty much everyone lived in tiny villages(manorial system) up until only a few hundred years ago(or less). The only exceptions were soldiers, traders, artisans, prostitutes, and the church. And of course, colonists moving to the new world.

If incest was the problem many people imagine, you wouldn't be here.

>>513614520
Wholesome

>>513611812
Fpbp

>>513611769 (OP)
its hotter when its illegal.

Evolutionarily it lead to deformed children, which made humans find incest vile at their core beliefs. To be into it takes a very perverted deviant mind. For instance, scat fetish doesn't hurt anyone either but it's fucking disgusting. Because evolutionarily we associated shit with disease
also picrel is OP

>>513612338
They didn't, but damaged children died young and didn't reproduce.

>>513611769 (OP)
I wanna jump in and be more specific:
1) What is the argument against incest if birth control is used?
2) Why is incestual unprotected sex often illegal or at least frowned upon, while people with genetic diseases are allowed to reproduce. In case of severe disabilities even encouraged?
3) What is the argument by the jews?

>>513616137
lol some professor had to hit the books and do mice studies on why you don't want to fuck your sister growing up

>>513618317
>1) What is the argument against incest if birth control is used?
jews dont want goyims to have strong family bonds.
>2) Why is incestual unprotected sex often illegal or at least frowned upon, while people with genetic diseases are allowed to reproduce. In case of severe disabilities even encouraged?
incest doesnt actually create cripples/deformed offspring. jews invented this lie so goys dont practice incest.
jews want cripples to reproduce because they are ballast for the white race.
they also want goyims to racemix.
>3) What is the argument by the jews?
jews want all the incest for themselves because its actually good and has many advantages.

These defenses of inbreeding don't mention the fact that child mortality used to be very high, and that damaged children didn't live long.
With modern medicine these children not only survive, but go on to have children of their own.
This is why inbreeding was OK for centuries but is now a serious problem.

A child born to a first cousin is less likely to have complications than an unrelated woman in her 30s.

>>513611769 (OP)
Hasburg jaw.
You'll end up with offspring that's infertile.
The position of authority older people in the family have on the younger.
Your grabby 50 year old uncle whose wife mysteriously went missing, now wants to marry your 16 year old sister.
The list goes on.

>>513612622
Pakis and jeets were already retarded and low IQ even before the incest.
so of course if you inbreed shit you get more shit.
but if you inbreed top tier white people you get the Übermensch.

>>513618566
Tribal warriors during the roman times had like 7 kids half died and fewer than 3 lived to see the age of 16 yr. Not to mention violence as much as disease killed off most people back then so it was rare to see anyone older than 70 unless they lived in a city.

>>513611928
>>alt-right board

>>513618317
>1) What is the argument against incest if birth control is used?
How do you plan to force sister fuckers to use birth control?
People with genetic diseases are encouraged to reproduce? Literally never seen it.

>>513611769 (OP)
just look at jeets, they all have the same surname and are fucking retarded

>>513618995
even if jeets didnt practice incest, they would still be the same brown retarded streetshitters.

>>513618979
>People with genetic diseases are encouraged to reproduce? Literally never seen it.
you never seen the Midge Warwick Davis?

>>513619224
He was encouraged to reproduce?

>>513615697
It does happen in fucked up families, I met this girl in prep school that was all fucked up and a femcel, she had a resting bitch face but in an autistic way, and was mentally stunted and very weird, her brother was in the same class and he was always hovering around her and wouldn't let her talk to anyone. At one point she talked with me and I could see her brother fuming from afar. I'm 100% convinced he fucked her at home and saw her as property, they were both white and Christian too. It was some really fucked up shit. Years later I saw her again and it seems she managed to escape her family and become a giga whore. Crazy stuff

>>513619329
everyone celebrates him and his midge family.
nobody is against them reproducing and making more midge retards.

>>513613390
its incredible we have posts like this on /pol/. you are like the npc meme. op makes a half serious question about incest and you are just here rattling down robotic statements with absolutely no thought put into them. seriously who the fuck even told you all those things you are claiming?

>>513618765
No, Karl. Fucking your sister to create Hapsburg-wannabes isn't what the Führer would've asked of you.

Sigh.

>>513611769 (OP)
>I never heard a good argument against incest
So you’ve never heard or seen a Muslim - I envy you, lucky OP.

>>513619422
Habsburgs are jewish not white

>>513619436
they would be retarded even without the incest so incest is not a big factor in why these people are retarded.

>>513619458
>jewish
>inbred
What a big surprise. What's next, african niggers rape babies to purge themselves of AIDS?

>>513619365
Degens who like making fun of disabilities is why these people still exist. We could've cleaned house thousands of years ago and midgets would be a much smaller issue. These genes that they have pass down no less. It is even theorized that downy genes are passed down from people who fucked downies.

>>513611840
Oh fuck, i wish you'd told me earlier, fug

>>513619556
jews are already retarded and deformed even without incest.
if healthy white people practice incest then there is no harm and no disabilities.

>>513619562
>It is even theorized that downy genes are passed down from people who fucked downies

And this is why societal eugenics, IE if you willingly fuck retards, we will kill you as well as the retard for good measure, is the only reason the world will survive.

Fuck this gay earth.

>>513619729
If you say so, buddy.

>>513619488
>they would be retarded even without the incest
Absolutely.

Would you rather
>Allow shitskins to fuck your sister
Or
>Breed your own sister

>>513611769 (OP)
Because there's none. The jews fear wincest. Pharaoh were extremely inbred and very successful in governing the country.

>>513619866
Well obviously everyone will choose option B, it doesn't mean the outcome is any fucking better. Thankfully there's the genetic generation 1 that acts as a barrier before problems occur, but it's the only step before the fall.

>>513619976
That's why you must have at least 8 children so the genetic diversity is good enough
I guarantee you, every single couple in will have at least 1 dysgenic children (if they do) because how of the human genetics works.