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Anonymous (ID: D4keVGKi) No.513643318 >>513647343 >>513647874 >>513647950 >>513648573 >>513653493 >>513654737 >>513654883 >>513655239 >>513658620 >>513664532 >>513664687 >>513666487 >>513668065 >>513669897 >>513669964 >>513670023 >>513670070 >>513670106 >>513670203 >>513670305 >>513672307 >>513676278 >>513678503 >>513678738 >>513680111 >>513680139
Hello, Hi from southeast asia
I'd basically be on a bullying spree if I was in the west. Just saying. You know, since you all are atheists nowadays?
I know that sounds so horrible but it's a fact.
I can't even find a single fictional Christian in your media?
Aside from Christian media?
Thank you I guess, hahaha.
It's a clown world alright. Haha.
Anonymous (ID: L2VhST0G) Australia No.513643427 >>513644292 >>513648648 >>513666487
Yes, its extremely bad here
Most whitoids are in denial even on pol. They have no clue.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513643811 >>513666487
>/pol/ is a Christian board!
>you all are atheists
It never ends
Anonymous (ID: JXtU6OfE) No.513644292 >>513644562 >>513655396 >>513664760 >>513664988 >>513666487
>>513643427
We were on a trip because my friend decided to surprise me, just after my gym ordeal. My legs, thighs were were sprained from squats.
He's that kind of a person.
Anyways, there were many Stacys, the muslim girl was offended by me, I didn't even say anything.
She got a firsthand experience of what OCD looks like, she claims to have one, my said friend had to literally shake me out of my daze.
He's rich. My luxurious car though. Kind of lone wolf guy, he literally shoed me his gang money, I felt like such a loser then.
Drunk right now, I rebuke my sober self. It's the objective state of mind, in heaven, we're all going to be drunk in some kind of way anyways.
Anyways, where was I?
Right, you guys are rabidly anti-Christs man.
Not even our Stacy are like that, I'm sure they'd have some level of comprehension if I did, open my mouth.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513644562 >>513644976 >>513666487
>>513644292
>you guys are rabidly anti-Christs man
Why is that a problem for you?
Anonymous (ID: JXtU6OfE) No.513644976 >>513645034 >>513665100
>>513644562
Hate.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513645034 >>513645170
>>513644976
Hate what?
Anonymous (ID: JXtU6OfE) No.513645170 >>513645228 >>513667364
>>513645034
Your passive aggressive anti-Christianity.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513645228 >>513653101
>>513645170
Why should anyone care about your personal problems?
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513645779 >>513667050
Anonymous (ID: Dz54j6Md) Finland No.513646013 >>513646199 >>513664999 >>513678799
Proof the Bible is the word of God: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l5ZEsXjNVI
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” (1 Cor. 15:3-4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc
Jesus Christ is God who came to earth from heaven in the flesh. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sin. He was buried, then He resurrected and is now in heaven. Do you regret your sin? Do you want forgiveness? The blood atonement of Jesus Christ is sufficient to wash your soul from all sin eternally, so believe in Him. "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." (John 10:28) God wants to forgive you, but you have to make a choice. Do you refuse this gift and choose this evil world that only wants to hurt and ruin you, or do you choose to submit to the will of God and be saved? Your own deeds, no matter how good you think they are can NEVER justify you. You're corrupt and need to be saved. “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” (Romans 5:9). Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, in what HE did for you. Only He can wash away all of your sins with His blood. Salvation can't be earned, it's a gift. What do you choose? God has given you much time to repent of your sinfulness and self-righteousness.

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Eph. 2:8-9)

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Romans 10:9)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbPchtYsXNo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS78mFJcvhQ
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513646199 >>513647236 >>513659644
>>513646013
>Proof the Bible is the word of God
Anonymous (ID: Dz54j6Md) Finland No.513647236 >>513647444 >>513664683
>>513646199
Yeah, now if only you could provide proof for your argument but you can't. No one has been able to for the duration of the entire world
Anonymous (ID: O8W06nK5) No.513647343
>>513643318 (OP)
Travel east or avoid main cities like London or P*ris
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513647444 >>513647526
>>513647236
>provide proof for your argument but you can't
The circular reasoning you employ is the proof

Why should anyone care whst the bible says?
Anonymous (ID: Dz54j6Md) Finland No.513647526 >>513647634
>>513647444
Because the Bible has always been right and man has always been wrong. That's why. As much as you want to ignore it, it's the truth
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513647634 >>513647971
>>513647526
>Because the Bible has always been right
About?
Anonymous (ID: mqcplJFg) United Kingdom No.513647874 >>513648166
>>513643318 (OP)
Haha.
Nice.

I like this little jungle man.
I would entertain him as a guest.

Do you drink beer, milk or whiskey?
Do you know what a bagpipe is?
Anonymous (ID: 6fwQAduI) Poland No.513647950
>>513643318 (OP)
Why hide before the mem flag
Anonymous (ID: Dz54j6Md) Finland No.513647971 >>513648147 >>513655249 >>513665311
>>513647634
About everything, many times science is proven wrong and it turns out the Bible had it right, many times historians were wrong and the Bible was right etc. But you don't want to actually look at anything I post, you just ignore it and say i'm wrong. You just want to believe your own opinions. You don't want to be proven wrong so you're in denial.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513648147 >>513648417
>>513647971
>many times science is proven wrong
Can you give an actual example?
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513648166 >>513648801 >>513655396
>>513647874
Haha, you guys really are cute.
I've wasted time defending a lot of big oafish city boys who thinks they're tough. Wouldn't make a week in tribal areas. They fall like dominoes downstairs.
I don't think you are even the type to think themselves tough?
Modern westerns boys are rather small nowadays anyways.
Has-been cope really.
They get folded like any other in a ditch without anyone knowing anything about it.
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513648349
The bigger they are, the heavier they fall anyways.
Anonymous (ID: Dz54j6Md) Finland No.513648417 >>513648587
>>513648147
I already showed you in the last thread you argued in, im not going to dig up something for you for you just ignore it and say "oh that's just your opinion, theres no reason to believe what the bible says" like a broken record. Watch at least a single link about the mathematical proofs of the Bible I posted. Your being dishonest
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513648459 >>513648624
It's also where their idolatry comes from.
Their lack of badasses in their daily lives.
It's like superficial for them. Wouldn't believe more than half the stories I have personally experienced myself.
Anonymous (ID: P3yda/Ga) No.513648573
>>513643318 (OP)
American progressives have been spreading the Social Gospel to all the rest of you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Gospel

Yeah, totally not Christian. They're liars by the way.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513648587 >>513678863 >>513680030
>>513648417
OK so you don't have an example.

But I do agree with you that the Bible does have some historical truths. But there is zero reason why anyone should consider anything supernatural to be true in the bible.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513648624
>>513648459
Post your physique
Anonymous (ID: UpqTshbU) United States No.513648648 >>513666227
>>513643427
Jeets are weird man.

They’re the physically weakest race, the least desirable race, the smelliest race, they’re desperate to flee their shithole homeland and live with others, every race has a negative opinion of them, they were taken over by the British despite outnumbering them 30 million to 1, any industry they’re injected into crumbles,

AND YET

Despite all this they’re CONSTANTLY clamoring on about being superior, how they’re taking over, how nobody can compete with them, they just can’t seem to let it go.

It’s just so strange to see from a non jeet perspective.

A race of people so pathetic and inferior yet always trying to claim superiority, always bragging about their supposed success, always lecturing others on how they’re taking over their countries despite them being desperate to flee their home country and live with other races to begin with.

What causes such a complex of superiority and ingratitude?
Anonymous (ID: mqcplJFg) United Kingdom No.513648801 >>513649465 >>513678928
>>513648166
You would like my friend, Matthias.
Same attitude, but he is a seven foot tall Orthodox Christian skinhead, his mother is Belgian, his father was from somewhere like Abkhazia or Chechnya.

I suspect that he kills homeless junkies for sport.
I cannot prove anything though.
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513649465 >>513649685 >>513649875 >>513649888 >>513650011
>>513648801
In my case, he went up against the army in some revolution, of course he got caught, tied, blinded, waterboarded and beaten up but that's not something to stop him.
Went against a gang of 12 something all alone, he also fell down a bride and somehow survived. That's my cousin.
My father has a collection of knives from people who tried to kill him.
He isn't the one starting shit though. It's just his friends, because they are confident in him.
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513649685
>>513649465
He is a thoroughly good Christian man now. He was kind of horrible hearing later stories about him.
He did have his guts sliced from his rival who pretended to befriend him.
Which ended up in a miraculous save from his platoon.
As for my case, it's not really significant enough to bring it up.
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513649838
He never lost a fight, until later in his life when he was considerably old.
He was to fight for the state until his boss took his place from him, lost.
Couldn't say no.
Go to Burma and say his name and all the boomers there will know him.
Anonymous (ID: mqcplJFg) United Kingdom No.513649875 >>513678966
>>513649465
Ah, I had a twelve man brawl once.
Just teenagers with nail-bats mind.
I had to draw my knife to stop my head being cudgeled in, so the wee tykes started throwing them at me, so I baled them up behind the back of my head, and walked up the high street for a half mile or so, they followed me the whole way, stopped at an icecream parlour to ask if he'd take the large pile of nailboards I was carrying, the Paki behind the counter stared at me, then past my shoulder, and I turned and saw a nigger trying to bash my head in with another nailboard.
The striking end was too close to the wall for him to raise it cleanly though, so I dropped my bale and snatched his from his hands.

He ran like a scalded dog; Niggers are cowardly.

I walked another half mile after apologising to the Paki for the disturbance; he called me a police escort, and the cop gave me a ride home.

Gangs of feral children will rob you or even kill you in some places.

Country ain't what used to be; that sort of occurrence never used to happen in England.

Foreigners are to blame.
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513649888
>>513649465
The supposed gangs are from rival terrorists.
Forgot to mention, he won.
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513650011 >>513650112
>>513649465
The bride had a river below. But very shallow. Knee deep.
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513650112
>>513650011
*Bridge.
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513650255 >>513650600 >>513652049
There's also my distant uncle who makes his life about trolling the military.
Whenever he pass those gates, he will just fling his card and make them chase him.
He wins on a technicality.
He ran for several people when he was young, army recruitment marathon stuff, until he was caught and beaten up.
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513650600
>>513650255
The said uncle is a military man himself, an officer or something, IDK.
He scares the shit out of my auntie passengers.
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513651228
My relatives are just freaks I guess, I'm the best apologist in the world so I guess that includes me.
These are as vague as I can get. Just the believable stuff for the westoids.
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513652049
>>513650255
He just wants to thrown down with those armies.
And he gets what he wants.
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513653101 >>513653921
>>513645228
Anomie isn't a personal problem. I hate you guys the same way people used to hate ugly fat uggos, like I'd shove you out of my way.
That' all. It activates my bully disgust instincts I guess.
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513653491
I guess I'm just done with being all sweet this late in the game.
Anonymous (ID: XuvDc1pd) No.513653493 >>513653554
>>513643318 (OP)
Greetings from Germany.

We don't need any media to tell us christianity.
Remember to spread Brotherhood and that's it.

No worshipping jesus
No need to pray
Not even going to church

Keep the Brotherhood and everything will be good.
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513653554 >>513653678
>>513653493
Take off your flag faggo.
Anonymous (ID: XuvDc1pd) No.513653678 >>513653769
>>513653554
No you take of your flag.
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513653769 >>513654044
>>513653678
I have no need to.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513653921 >>513654202
>>513653101
I bet you're obese and less than 6ft
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513654044 >>513654426
>>513653769
OP is a pajeet. We've hear his voice before
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513654202 >>513654426 >>513654600 >>513673304
>>513653921
Like this?
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513654426 >>513654600
>>513654044
>>513654202
Ghost of mesa?
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513654600 >>513654678 >>513654745
>>513654202
Damn, that's a handsome man
>>513654426
You clowns are so jealous of me it's funny


But you need my newer one
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513654678
>>513654600
>Didn't even deny it.
Well there it goes, the ship has sailed.
Anonymous (ID: zrrnrgeg) No.513654737
>>513643318 (OP)
This is because America and its media/Hollywood are controlled by secular atheist jews
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513654745 >>513658550
>>513654600
I'd grope your man tits and rape you. In minecraft.
Anonymous (ID: zrrnrgeg) No.513654808 >>513654872 >>513655010
They tried to use the Pegasus spyware to try to delete my last comment
Israel/jews = Pegasus backdoor spyware on everyone’s phones
This is a fact
Anonymous (ID: zrrnrgeg) No.513654872 >>513655010
>>513654808
They tried to backspace my last comment to delete all the text
Anonymous (ID: GHjQBinE) Finland No.513654883 >>513655131
>>513643318 (OP)
150cm jungle monkey who worships jews would be on a bullying spree? Doubt it.
Anonymous (ID: zrrnrgeg) No.513655010
>>513654872
>>513654808
It works like a keylogger that tracks the text you type
If you’re typing and things seem abnormally laggy then you know why
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513655131 >>513666031
>>513654883
Seeing an asian dominate an european feels like taboo anyways, I can emphasize.
It's like pity sex.
I heard attractive asian girls aren't allowed in hollywood? Because of the buttmad stacys?
Anonymous (ID: dd5dd5hZ) Germany No.513655239
>>513643318 (OP)
Bully the chinese or something.
Anonymous (ID: 6QshQt6e) Slovakia No.513655249
>>513647971
Anonymous (ID: 6QshQt6e) Slovakia No.513655396 >>513655499
>>513648166
>>513644292
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513655499 >>513655743
>>513655396
I'm not lying a single word ITT, it's all true as scary as it may sound.
Anonymous (ID: 6QshQt6e) Slovakia No.513655743 >>513655829
>>513655499
I don't doubt that you believe in what you're saying
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513655829 >>513655916
>>513655743
So you were just speaking for yourself?
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513655916
>>513655829
I don't know.. It's just so.. western...
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513657218
Bump.
Only reporting like a redditor and the janny can save you at this point.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513658550 >>513659036
>>513654745
Post physique obese pajeet
Anonymous (ID: 3qH9JGtH) Canada No.513658620 >>513659234
>>513643318 (OP)
>SEA.
Well I'm going to do JBW passportbro with my BWC in your country. Fuck you gon do tough guy?
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513659036 >>513664103 >>513665282 >>513665346
>>513658550
You already know, why do you keep spamming this cope?
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513659234
>>513658620
I'd pimp you. (I'm horrible)
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513659644 >>513659834 >>513664296 >>513666128 >>513679122
>>513646199
>reddit pic
every worldview is ultimately circular

meme presuppositionalism
>claim: the bible is the word of god
>support: the bible says it is
>justification: the bible is infallible
>basis for infallibility: because it is the word of god
>loop: the authority of the bible is justified by itself

empiricism
>claims: knowledge comes from sensory experience
>support: we observe that observation works
>loop: experience confirms the reliability of experience

scientism:
>claim: the scientific method leads to truth
>support: it has produced reliable results
>justification: empirical success validates method
>loop: the method is justified by its own outcomes

naturalism/physicalism:
>claim: everything that exists is physical or material
>support: all observed phenomena can be explained by physical processes
>justification: because non-physical entities haven't been empirically verified
>basis for trusting empirical verification: because only physical things exist.
>loop: physicalism is justified by empirical methods, which assume physicalism
Anonymous (ID: Uy3OFeMB) No.513659834 >>513661694 >>513664380
>>513659644
Yep yep, it's also a fact that the Bible is the oldest revelation from an infallible source even speaking from a strictly philosophical sense.
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513661694 >>513664445
>>513659834
>pic
greg bahnsen would've clapped for this post, except at this abdication of the burden of proof
>there's no such thing as the burden of proof without God... theists need simply kick them out.
his shtick was weaponizing the burden of proof to strangle atheists with by showing only the Christian worldview can fulfill it for anything. and this tactical error
>atheists can't say no as that's a knowledge claim
it's good to allow them to make knowledge claims and let them hang themselves with the fact that they can't justify them.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513664103
>>513659036
Lol,lmao
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513664296
>>513659644
Thanks for proving me right :^)
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513664380 >>513664557
>>513659834
>it's also a fact that the Bible is the oldest revelation from an infallible source even speaking from a strictly philosophical sense.
The same "infallible" source riddled with mistakes throughout the bible?
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513664445 >>513666088 >>513666953
>>513661694
>it's good to allow them to make knowledge claims and let them hang themselves with the fact that they can't justify them.
Atheism is just a disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods
Anonymous (ID: rIAu3krh) United Kingdom No.513664532 >>513664720
>>513643318 (OP)
>Hi from southeast asia
so you're a jeet
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513664557 >>513664804
>>513664380
>riddled with mistakes
According to your personal interpretations and feelings :)
Anonymous (ID: dltCbldZ) Canada No.513664683
>>513647236
I agree the bible is the truth, but can you explain what these numbers in your picture mean?
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513664687 >>513664803
>>513643318 (OP)
What point are you trying to make? We've freed ourselves from the semitic mind virus and stopped worshiping the god who was defeated by chariots and demanded genitals be mutilated and later came specifically to the gentiles to tell them all to be cucks.
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513664720 >>513668156
>>513664532
Fuck it, I'm a jeet now, we ball.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513664760
>>513644292
The kike on a stick deserves to be forgotten. Neoplatonism is the way.
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513664803 >>513664896 >>513666233
>>513664687
Sin is freedom until you try to quit.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513664804
>>513664557
See you almost get it!

Here's one of my favorites
>god makes man with foreskin
>changes mind and demands he cut it off (while still making man with foreskin)
>changes mind again and now it's a metaphor of the heart..except for Timothy
Kek, really infallible there bud
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513664896 >>513665120
>>513664803
"sin" is a concept in your worldview
Anonymous (ID: 0+a5mJlz) United States No.513664988
>>513644292
Look at you rambling and mumbling. Higher educations will makes you see through religions like Easter Bunny and other childhood fables.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513664999
>>513646013
Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife.
https://biblehub.com/1_samuel/18-27.htm

And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
https://biblehub.com/judges/1-19.htm

https://biblehub.com/q/is_jesus_yahweh_in_christianity.htm

This is clearly a self-centered sandnigger superstition and not a book about the God of the universe.
Anonymous (ID: 0+a5mJlz) United States No.513665100
>>513644976
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513665120 >>513665209 >>513665254 >>513666257
>>513664896
Post nudes if it's such a concept.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513665209 >>513665254 >>513665328
>>513665120
Posting nudes is a sin?
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513665254
>>513665120
>>513665209
Also, why are Christians always closet homos?
Anonymous (ID: 0+a5mJlz) United States No.513665282
>>513659036
Look at you. Your eyes is totally dead.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513665311
>>513647971
Science has been set back immensely because of kikes and christcucks trying to pervert science to fit their narrative of a created and finite universe. The big bang is christcuck propaganda.
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513665328 >>513665478
>>513665209
Welp, there we go.
Anonymous (ID: 0+a5mJlz) United States No.513665346 >>513665506 >>513665614
>>513659036
Your hands dont look like someone who spends time manual labor outdoors.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513665478
>>513665328
You can't really answer the question can you?
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513665506
>>513665346
False.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513665614 >>513665736 >>513665944
>>513665346
The closest OP could ever get to being White is the memeflag lol
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513665736 >>513665910
>>513665614
Are you kidding me right now?
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513665754 >>513665871 >>513666079
What the fuck am I even reading in this thread...
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513665871
>>513665754
An OP doing the best to make a mockery of Christianity and Christians. It's fun to watch really
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513665910
>>513665736
You'll never be White
Anonymous (ID: 0+a5mJlz) United States No.513665944 >>513670043
>>513665614
Yup lol. Generic chink with the dead eyes.makes you wonder how he ended up here.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513666031
>>513655131
>I heard attractive asian girls aren't allowed in hollywood? Because of the buttmad stacys?

There's no such thing as an attractive Asian. Also of course some gook cuck will want his women fawned over by superior whites. You just want your women to get a genetic upgrade.
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513666079 >>513666257 >>513666495
>>513665754
My unfiltered hatred for atheist westoids which is limited in expression through a message board.
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513666088 >>513666168
>>513664445
says who?
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513666128
>>513659644
>support: all observed phenomena can be explained by physical processes

This statement is not true.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513666168 >>513666564 >>513666601 >>513666688
>>513666088
My lack if belief in God or gods
Anonymous (ID: U20Qqvq2) United States No.513666227
>>513648648
The worst part is that he thinks it's some amazing own and is quite proud that he is making your homeland as big a dump as his, amazing brownoid IQ at work. 30 million of these things lost to less than 1 million British. They worship cows and rats because they themselves are humanoid cattle and vermin.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513666233
>>513664803
Unlike Christcucks I have no problem practicing virtue, self-control, will-to-power. You guys beg for help from a dead jew, while I just actually not do degenerate things by pure will power.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513666257
>>513665120
>Post nudes
>>513666079
Again, why are Christians on this board such closet homos?
Anonymous (ID: 7oCjkRMH) Canada No.513666487
>>513643318 (OP)
A south-east asian (specifically Malaysian) girl who is a friend, gave me a strong punch to my eye area and nose area during muay thai kickboxing class. Basically she is very agile, stronger than me, I respect her abilities. She apologized and spent some time with me afterwards sitting on the stairs. Most people in my class are south-east asians or chinese or koreans......I'm one of 2 Indian guys...there are no white or black people.....why are so many south-east asians into fighting sports ?
>>513643427
>>513643811
>>513644292
>>513644562
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513666495
>>513666079
Atheism is irrational, unscientific, debunked bullshit. Just like religion. We should be using CCC Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics are the basis for our worldview and an understanding of everything (theory of everything). Not retarded superstitions from the 1800s like materialism or retarded superstitions from thousands of years ago like abracuck religions.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513666564
>>513666168
The universe is clearly a god. Space in particular is possessed of many divine attributes such as omnipresence, immutability, etc.
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513666601 >>513666688 >>513666688 >>513666711 >>513666772
>>513666168
>says this corporation's search engine
i see, well, i don't view that corporation as an authority.
i'll stick with the definition of the term that's been solidified through social convention in my Christian nation, which is "atheism is the religion of people who hate Christianity."
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513666688 >>513666949
>>513666601
>>says this corporation's search engine
Read again kiddo
>>513666168
It says Oxford

>>513666601
>atheism is the religion
Oxymoron.

I see we have yet another emotional leftist Christian here.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513666711 >>513667116
>>513666601
That's weird because I'm a panentheist and I hate Christianity. Don't have to be an atheist to hate the semitic superstition that is Christianity.
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513666772 >>513666816 >>513666897
>>513666601
It's been thoroughly debunked many times, it's just he has no other cope.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513666816 >>513666868
>>513666772
>It's been thoroughly debunked many times
What.has exactly?
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513666864
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
https://www.biblehub.com/matthew/19-12.htm
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513666868 >>513666953
>>513666816
Do you also lack the belief that God either exists or doesn't?
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513666897 >>513667026
>>513666772
Oh I see.
You lot are so disingenuous that you create a nonsensical question as a trap.

So much for that Christian honesty
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513666949 >>513666998
>>513666688
>It says Oxford
ruh roh
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513666953 >>513667130
>>513666868
I've already answered this here
>>513664445
>Atheism is just a disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods
:^)
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513666998
>>513666949
That's still a lack of belief my friend hahahaha
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513667026 >>513667087
>>513666897
>Spout goobledygook
>Gets questioned and forced to be consistent
>Y.. YOU'RE DISHONEST!
Anonymous (ID: uDMlcXVh) United States No.513667050 >>513667087
>>513645779
God allows all to exist nigger, even your nigger tier meme nigger.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513667087
>>513667026
>>Spout goobledygook
Yes you do lol

>>513667050
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions :^)
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513667116 >>513667173 >>513669470
>>513666711
>i'm a queer too, give me attention
fine.
tell me more,
are you actually a panentheist or a pantheist?
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513667130 >>513667248
>>513666953
Believing and not believing are two sides of the same coin.
Your goobledygook still don't get a pass.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513667173 >>513667278 >>513669519
>>513667116
>>i'm a queer too
Kek this anon is clearly into them
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513667248 >>513667413
>>513667130
>Believing and not believing are two sides of the same coin.
And with atheism, that coin is still lack of belief
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513667278 >>513667340
>>513667173
aren't you ghost of mesa, the "what do i care what two consenting adult men do in their bedroom" guy? that thinks homosexuals should be allowed to marry?
don't project your gayness on me.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513667340 >>513667607
>>513667278
>"what do i care what two consenting adult men do in their bedroom"
You don't care either lol
Anonymous (ID: Ki7SQxOG) Romania No.513667364
>>513645170
Nigga with all due respect, as an ex-christian you are literally the reason people hate christianity.

Why the fuck do you care about people disagreeing with your beliefs? It doesn't affect you in any way shape or form. Live your life, believe in your beliefs, stop giving a shit about others' opinions, and most importantly. DON'T. FUCKING. BECOME. THE. SAME. THING. YOU. HATE. You too are being passive aggressive right now
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513667413 >>513667490
>>513667248
And it's also a belief.
Same way Christianity is also a lack of belief in non-Christianity.
It isn't special.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513667490 >>513667618
>>513667413
>And it's also a belief.
Lack of belief

Me saying I believe God doesn't exist is still a lack of belief.

Why is this hard for you?
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513667607 >>513667733 >>513668065
>>513667340
i don't want my fellow man doing things like homosexuality, necrophilia, or bestiality even behind closed doors.
it's a massive social dysfunction to just shrug and say "boys will be boys" about it, as they are extremely mentally ill and in need of help.
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513667618 >>513667733
>>513667490
More like lack of survival instincts.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513667733 >>513667819 >>513668053
>>513667607
>i don't want my fellow man doing things like homosexuality, necrophilia, or bestiality even behind closed doors
Too bad you won't go busting down anyone's door but if you suspect anyone of
>necrophilia, or bestiality
Call the cops

>>513667618
I'm doing just fine :^)
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513667819 >>513668066
>>513667733
>I'm doing just fine for now.
FTFY.
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513668053 >>513668189
>>513667733
okay, it seems we have some common ground here and you see necrophilia as wrong.
now, imagine if it wasn't illegal.
would you still have this stupid position where you say "well, since you're not bursting into people's houses to stop them from fucking corpses, you're not really against necrophilia" or do you see why that's stupid now?
Anonymous (ID: 0685BUv+) Australia No.513668065 >>513668244 >>513668404
>>513643318 (OP)
you sound like a jeet christian, since nobody else in SEA countries cares about jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6GrA1CPEzE

>>513667607
there are non degenerate atheists, and there is a scientific case why those practices are not harmless and should be banned
no desert fairytale book required
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513668066
>>513667819
Yup, just as anyone else.
Anonymous (ID: 0685BUv+) Australia No.513668156 >>513669712
>>513664720
I knew it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWvwLkAQdXE
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513668189 >>513668221 >>513668771
>>513668053
>now, imagine if it wasn't illegal
If you can't understand why sleeping with is a bad idea outside of morality then I question how you're able to make any rational decisions
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513668221
>>513668189
>sleeping with
Sleeping with a corpse*
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513668244 >>513668294 >>513669248
>>513668065
Not all atheists are degenerates but all degenerates are atheists.
In practice aside from labels.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513668294
>>513668244
>but all degenerates are atheists.
Amen sister
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513668362 >>513668430
All self identified atheists hate God.
Or god/gods as they say.
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513668404 >>513668466 >>513669248 >>513671910
>>513668065
>there are non degenerate atheists
i've never met one in my almost 4 decades of existence, depending on how we're defining degeneracy.
i'd throw people who back same sex marriage into the degenerate category, pew says only 4% of american atheists view homosexuality as wrong.
i'd wager you're an amoral sociopath on some political/ethical issue too, probably abortion.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513668430 >>513668475
>>513668362
Can't hate something I don't believe in.

That's like saying I hate Cinderella lol.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513668466 >>513668500
>>513668404
>i've never met one in my almost 4 decades of existence,
Because you don't have any experience outside in the real world.
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513668475 >>513668593
>>513668430
That's one way to prove God.
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513668500 >>513668564
>>513668466
tell me more about myself.
Anonymous (ID: Ki7SQxOG) Romania No.513668521 >>513668631 >>513668665
This thread is genuinely starting to piss me the fuck off.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513668564 >>513669062
>>513668500
You do it for me :^)
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513668593
>>513668475
For you, sure
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513668631
>>513668521
That's what OP wants
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513668665 >>513668820
>>513668521
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513668771 >>513668996 >>513668996 >>513672195
>>513668189
i think bungie jumping is a bad idea.
doesn't mean i think it's immoral.

under atheism, i don't see why it would be inherently wrong to fuck a corpse, it's just meat, there's no one home.
it's expressly forbidden in Christianity.
>eww what about the risk of disease and medical issues and stuff?
people eat fugu, atheist women go on onlyfans and have sex with 1000 men in 24 hours.
Anonymous (ID: Ki7SQxOG) Romania No.513668820
>>513668665
aaaaaaand that's why you suck
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513668836 >>513669094
You're probably starting to feel a fraction of a percentage of my loathing.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513668996
>>513668771
>i think bungie jumping is a bad idea.
>doesn't mean i think it's immoral.
Cool

>>513668771
>under atheism, i don't see why it would be inherently wrong to fuck a corpse
Sure. Atheism doesn't have any stance on morality. Hence whyi observe why it's bad or not and make the call

>>eww what about the risk of disease and medical issues and stuff?
Exactly and ficking a corpse has specific diseases I don't want

Plus I enjoy having sex with a living woman

>atheist women go on onlyfans and have sex with 1000 men in 24 hours.
I've never been on only fans but I see you have lol
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513669062 >>513669131
>>513668564
i'm currently reading the light novel series classroom of the elite year 2
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513669094 >>513670401
>>513668836
You are the cause of your own problems
You hate atheist so much yet you come here daily talking about them

You are your own enemy bro
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513669131 >>513670076
>>513669062
Cool story bro
Anonymous (ID: 0685BUv+) Australia No.513669248
>>513668244
>but all degenerates are atheists.
what about these guys?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcCPm95hsOw

and the grooming the catholic priests did for centuries

>>513668404
animals have better morals than christians, and they never went to church
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJc_QmdRsTo
Anonymous (ID: F6IkBjh2) No.513669430 >>513669511 >>513671970
atheism is responsible for this gay cucked timeline.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513669470
>>513667116
I'm a panentheist not a pantheist.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513669511
>>513669430
Christians begat it
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513669519
>>513667173
I think sexual degenerates should overdose on fentanyl and be denied narcan. Sexual degeneracy is for christcucks, they love to fly the tranny black power rainbow faggot flag on ALL of their churches.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513669712 >>513672200
>>513668156
I hate when people who were traumatized and brainwashed by cucktianity then decide to become giga-degenerates after realizing their religion is bullshit. We should be more virtuous, rational, and better people than christcucks not a bunch of tatooed freaks.
Anonymous (ID: lz4YzrVw) United States No.513669897
>>513643318 (OP)
this you?
Anonymous (ID: lz4YzrVw) United States No.513669964
>>513643318 (OP)
no saars sarrry
Anonymous (ID: lz4YzrVw) United States No.513670023
>>513643318 (OP)
ceo's of canada working in timmy's.
Anonymous (ID: ixmcd/A7) No.513670043
>>513665944
It's what seeing all that blinding faggotry does to an innocent soul.
Anonymous (ID: lz4YzrVw) United States No.513670070
>>513643318 (OP)
not even reading the tread. just posting jeet hate
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513670076 >>513670142
>>513669131
yeah it's pretty good.

the main character has almost all the hallmarks and traits of someone with antisocial personality disorder (which makes his inner monologues really interesting sometimes) and was raised in this weird brutal orphanage program that was creating ubermensch. so he's got like a 160 IQ and the martial arts ability of bruce lee, but he pretends to be a dumbass lazy person as cover.
he escaped from the facility to live life in this highschool that's closed off from the rest of the world. each grade has 4 classes A through D.
initially all the retards are stuck in class D (along with the MC) and all the smart athletic people are in class A.
the classes get scored based on special exams and things like that, and the exams are sometimes pretty off the wall like taking all the students to an abandoned island and telling them to survive. people are expelled from the school all the time. the score your class earns moves your class's placement up or down from A to D. if you graduate your third year from class A, you get extreme perks like free college and a pick of your choice of a cushy job at prestigious institutions, so every class is fighting for it.
it's a little bit like this old manga i'd read called liar game.
Anonymous (ID: lz4YzrVw) United States No.513670106 >>513670266
>>513643318 (OP)
so many files with the name poo
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513670142 >>513671408
>>513670076
>the main character has almost all the hallmarks and traits of someone with antisocial personality disorder
I bet you feel you identify with this character
Anonymous (ID: ixmcd/A7) No.513670152 >>513670401
Seems like the jeet arc is back.
Alright I'm out. Been here for more than 6 hours. Makes me feel like such a loser.
Imma have to redeem maselfs now.
Anonymous (ID: lz4YzrVw) United States No.513670203
>>513643318 (OP)
filthy subhumans
Anonymous (ID: lz4YzrVw) United States No.513670266
>>513670106
Anonymous (ID: lz4YzrVw) United States No.513670305
>>513643318 (OP)
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513670401
>>513670152
>Makes me feel like such a loser.
Like I said bro
>>513669094
>You are the cause of your own problems
>You hate atheist so much yet you come here daily talking about them

>You are your own enemy bro
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513671408 >>513672637
>>513670142
>implying
nah i'm not a sociopath.

sociopaths are interesting though.
there's this guy who was diagnosed with it clinically, and was an atheist and tried to kill his father with a hammer.
then in prison he met this Christian who kept talking about his Bible and God and all the evidence for Christianity, which irritated the shit out of the hammer man, so since he had so much free time he was like "alright i'm gonna learn everything about Christianity and prove you wrong."
then he ends up becoming Christian instead and gets a doctorate in philosophy and wrote his doctoral thesis on the problem of evil, which is really fascinating because it's one of the most emotionally charged topics in philosophy, and he doesn't really do emotions as a sociopath.
https://research.library.fordham.edu/dissertations/AAI3630193/
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513671910
>>513668404
In census data I'm a Catholic because I was baptized etc. etc. and in any data of churchgoers I'm a churchgoer so I must be a Christian but in reality I'm sure as hell not Catholic and I'm not a Christian. Lots of people I know are Catholic or whatever on paper, in some census, but not in reality.
Anonymous (ID: 0685BUv+) Australia No.513671970 >>513672216 >>513673928
>>513669430
all woke ideas originate from christianity and I'm not worshipping the george floyd of rome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjVXNm7ByMQ

you can't fix a problem by sticking to the cause of it
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513672195 >>513672874
>>513668771
Ethics has nothing do with there being a god or not. We have secular ethical systems like stoicism, various schools of hedonism, pragmatism, utilitarianism, etc. Why should there being a God have any say on whether cannibalism is okay or not? We have perfectly good reasons to not eat corpses regardless of there being a god or not.
Anonymous (ID: 0685BUv+) Australia No.513672200 >>513672593
>>513669712
the reason he has tattoos is because he basically had absent parents growing up and got them for attention, he regrets it, but he is much wiser than religion cucks

knowledge and wisdom are my guide
and I have 0 tattoos and 0 degeneracy

also it's funny when christians judge him for tattoos when jesus supposedly loved everyone lol
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513672216 >>513672407
>>513671970
>all woke ideas originate from christianity
that's not true at all little buddy, spend some time reading about the frankfurt school.
you've been lied to by youtube streamers.
Anonymous (ID: d37khqEy) Norway No.513672307
>>513643318 (OP)
Why would you think a ching chongs opinion matters?
Anonymous (ID: 0685BUv+) Australia No.513672407 >>513672700
>>513672216
jesus said you have to give away your possessions to walk with him, encouraging poverty and ignorance, and told people to pay taxes, he's a proto commie

loved everyone, root of dei

didn't fight back, pacifist weakling

had no wife or kids, basically a eunuch who loved hanging out with 12 MEN, origins of gayness

had long hair, degenerate

could only perform petty magic tricks that he learnt from egyptian beggars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTilTcdVAb8

#notmygod
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513672593 >>513673077 >>513679214
>>513672200
>also it's funny when christians judge him for tattoos when jesus supposedly loved everyone lol

I'm not Christian and I'm judging him for it. Christians welcome niggers, degenerates, etc. into their churches. Any christcuck would be like "bawww you can't judge him because he has tattoos". Christians coddle degenerates and criminals.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513672637 >>513673304
>>513671408
>nah i'm not a sociopath.
Could've fooled me
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513672700
>>513672407
Nailed it
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513672874 >>513673574 >>513673681 >>513674161 >>513682044
>>513672195
>Ethics has nothing do with there being a god or not
sure, we have secular ethical systems like stoicism, various schools of hedonism, pragmatism, utilitarianism, but those are ethical frameworks, not moral ontologies.
they tell us how to act or why certain actions might be preferable, but they don't answer the metaphysical question: "are moral claims true in any real sense?"

without an ontic referent (God) you’re locked into systems that are either instrumental, subjective, or socially constructed.
that’s why rejecting God as the grounding for moral truth locks you into ontologies like:
>moral relativism
>moral nihilism
>moral constructivism
>moral non-cognitivism

>We have perfectly good reasons to not eat corpses
but can they be true is the question.
Anonymous (ID: 0685BUv+) Australia No.513673077
>>513672593
don't watch the video, listen to his points and see if he says anything incorrect
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513673304 >>513673612
>>513672637
well, i've told you about the book series i'm reading, why don't you tell me about your gay little finger tattoo? >>513654202
is it actually a stylized anarchy sign, and since it's worn where the wedding ring would be, does it signify that you share your husband or wife?
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513673574 >>513674061 >>513674247 >>513675902 >>513676194
>>513672874
>that are either instrumental, subjective, or socially constructed
Which is what "God" and religion are
>that’s why rejecting God as the grounding for moral truth locks you into ontologies like:
>moral relativism
>moral nihilism
>moral constructivism
>moral non-cognitivism
No it doesn't

>We have perfectly good reasons to not eat corpses
>but can they be true is the question.
Yes
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513673612 >>513674061
>>513673304
>why don't you tell me about your gay little finger tattoo?
Does it impact your faith at all?
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513673681 >>513674061
>>513672874
>but they don't answer the metaphysical question: "are moral claims true in any real sense?"
One only needs to examine the consequences of said choices
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513673928 >>513674102
>>513671970
Just finished watching this now.
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513674061 >>513674262 >>513674262 >>513674262 >>513674262 >>513674409
>>513673612
in humanity? maybe.
>>513673574
>No it doesn't
yeah it does, prove me wrong
>>513673681
>One only needs to examine the consequences of said choices
yeah that's consequentialism and it's an instrumental framework.
it doesn’t answer whether moral claims like “murder is wrong” or “justice is good” are true in any objective, ontological sense.
you've shifted the conversation from what's true to what works.

tangentially related, if a male to female tranny passes, virtually beyond a shadow of a doubt, would you say it's a man?
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513674102 >>513674321 >>513674425
>>513673928
steelman its best argument for me to attack.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513674161 >>513674684
>>513672874
My ethics is based around cognition and what is best to increase the mental potentials of living things and you can tie that into universal consciousness aka God so I supposed I have an ontology for it.

I don't think you need to tie morality to truth though for it to work out in practice. You can just let people destroy themselves with stupidity and also inform them why it's not a good idea and all just works out.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513674247 >>513674321 >>513674409
>>513673574
>No it doesn't

Prove it. I don't disagree with what he was saying.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513674262 >>513674597 >>513674684 >>513675133
>>513674061
>yeah it does, prove me wrong
Me.
>>513674061
>it doesn’t answer whether moral claims like “murder is wrong” or “justice is good” are true in any objective, ontological sense.
Why not?
>>513674061
>you've shifted the conversation from what's true to what works
It can be both actually

>>513674061
>if a male to female tranny passes, virtually beyond a shadow of a doubt, would you say it's a man?
Nope.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513674321
>>513674102
>for me to attack
This is how you know oe this anon isn't going to be genuine

What he will do, and always does, is make up a strawman and red herrings

>>513674247
>Prove it.
Me
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513674409 >>513674675
>>513674061
>>513674247
>probe it
Burden is on those who make the claim

You prove it does
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513674425
>>513674102
I liked the video but I wonder if Jupiter worship died out for actually justified reasons. Yeah what filled the void was another superstitious pile of crap but I bet you the Jupiter religion was a decayed husk of its former self before it got slain by Christcucks. Probably the priests of Jupiter were weak, effeminate, corrupt, etc. same way Christcuck priests are today and probably it did not exactly conform to the demands of intellect either. I bet both intellectuals and those that concerns themselves with ethics would have had reasons to give up on Jupiter and the fact that Christianity filled the void is just a sad inevitability of retards moving from one retardation to another. Really the only way to prevent institutional decline is through eugenics and that's it.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513674597 >>513674839
>>513674262
Name a philosophy that is objective and ontological that doesn't refer to an absolute and eternal omnipotent that upholds the cosmos.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513674675 >>513674839
>>513674409
You made claims as well so you have a burden of proof as well. Everyone making claims has this burden. You worming your way out of this just means nobody's minds are going to be changed tonight on /pol/.
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513674684 >>513674839 >>513674929 >>513676463
>>513674262
give me at least 50 words you terse tubby tatted-up queer, or i'm ignoring you.
not playing your game where i have to guess whatever childish malformed thought you're trying and failing to articulate and have you whine at me about "strawmanning" whatever stupid fucking thing you were trying to actually say since i'd guessed wrong.

>>513674161
you're coming from an interesting perspective.
universal consciousness as an ontic referent is at least an attempt to anchor moral claims beyond mere utility.
but when you say "you don't need to tie morality to truth," ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
if morality is untethered from truth, then it becomes a tool, useful but not binding.

you can certainly inform people why destroying themselves is "not a good idea" but without moral truth it's just advice rather than obligation.
so yes, things "work out" in practice, but the deeper question remains,

is it true that human flourishing is morally good, or is that just what we prefer?
this should bother you.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513674839 >>513675014 >>513675117 >>513675158
>>513674597
Objectivism is a philosophy that is objective. It is based on the idea that human knowledge and values are objective, meaning they exist and are determined by the nature of reality, to be discovered by one's mind, and are not created by the thoughts one has

>>513674675
>You made claims as well
Such as?


>>513674684
>tubby tatted-up queer
This anon speaks from personal experience

All give you a challenge that you fail to do.

Try an act like Christ taught in Matthew, just for one day. If you're able to do that then I'll take you seriously as a Christian.

You won't be able to. Therefore I don't need to take anything you say seriously
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513674929 >>513676555
>>513674684
>if morality is untethered from truth, then it becomes a tool, useful but not binding.

and that's a problem how?

>you can certainly inform people why destroying themselves is "not a good idea" but without moral truth it's just advice rather than obligation.

yes and?

>is it true that human flourishing is morally good, or is that just what we prefer?

Human flourishing needs to not be at the expense of the ecology as a whole. Or put another way, it needs to account for the long-term human flourishing and not just the immediate needs of the race.

What are your thoughts on Stefan Molyneux "universally preferable behavior" I think he calls it, UPB?

Also the question you pose I don't know if I can say it bothers me but I do want an answer to that, a clear answer, as I hate mysteries so much and like to know everything.
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513675014 >>513675133
>>513674839
>All give you a challenge that you fail to do.
>Try an act
ayo hol' up
don't be speakin' ebonics at me n sheeit
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513675117 >>513675175
>>513674839
>Such as?

You (paraphrased) said "Rejecting god as the grounding for moral truth does not lock you into the ontologies such as moral relativism, moral nihilism, moral constructivism, and moral non-cognitivism".

Shouldn't be hard for you to prove your statement but you're just going "nope" and failing to further elaborate.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513675133 >>513678487
>>513675014
>I'm not a serious Christian.
I know :^)

>>513674262
>>it doesn’t answer whether moral claims like “murder is wrong” or “justice is good” are true in any objective, ontological sense.
>Why not?
Curious that you ignored that.

You typically ignore anytime you have to demonstrate your claims. That's why you always move to ad hom after
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513675158 >>513675219
>>513674839
>Try an act like Christ taught in Matthew, just for one day. If you're able to do that then I'll take you seriously as a Christian.

Pretty sure it's not hard to do at all for one day. Care to detail what is required of this challenge?
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513675175 >>513675241
>>513675117
They said it does. They didn't back the claim up. I did by saying me.

I'm the proof that he's wrong
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513675219 >>513675406
>>513675158
>Care to detail what is required of this challenge?
Start with Matthew 5:43-48
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513675241 >>513675397
>>513675175
Can you explain how you are the proof he's wrong? Because right now reading your posts I don't understand.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513675397 >>513675487
>>513675241
How about you or him explain why it does

First start by defining each of those and why they apply to me
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513675406 >>513675447
>>513675219
>Matthew 5:43-48
>43You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’r and ‘Hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,s 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even Gentiles do the same?

Done all this before it wasn't hard. I feel ashamed about it all though and am trying to reform of my ways, I think it is wrong to follow this practice, or in my case to do it by nature.

>48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

I don't think that alone would make me perfect and in fact I interpret my behaving that way as a flaw, something that (among many other issues) makes me imperfect.

https://www.biblehub.com/bsb/matthew/5.htm
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513675447 >>513675662
>>513675406
>Done all this before it wasn't hard
I never challenged you. This was for the other anon
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513675487 >>513675613
>>513675397
>How about you or him explain why it does

I can't do that because I don't support either of your positions and I'm not informed enough to play devil's advocate here.

>First start by defining each of those and why they apply to me

Can you just tell me what your ontology is then that isn't in his list? or do you ascribe to something that isn't an ontology at all?
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513675613 >>513675902
>>513675487
>>How about you or him explain why it does
>I can't do that
Then this conversation is moot
>Can you just tell me what your ontology is
Regarding what exactly?
Can you define that word in your own words?
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513675662
>>513675447
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
KJV

https://biblehub.com/matthew/11-30.htm

To me to hate, to be in conflict, etc. that takes more effort than the other way around. Loving everyone is the default stance, the easy way, the cop-out. The Erisian spirit on the other hand is far more admirable for the tremendous burden it takes on.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513675902 >>513676007
>>513675613
I guess Martin Heidegger and Hegel are sort of anti-ontological depending how you defind ontology. Anyways I didn't use the term first so why should I have to define it? The other anon used it, therefore he should define what he meant by it, instead of my definitions being put in place.

I am curious about why you responded "No it doesn't" in this post here >>513673574

Like how are YOU an example of someone "not locked into those ontologies"? Why is it so difficult for you to explain this?
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513676007 >>513676069
>>513675902
>Like how are YOU an example of someone "not locked into those ontologies"?
How am I? Why is thst so difficult for you to explain this?
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513676069 >>513676194 >>513676194
>>513676007
>How am I?

I don't know.

>Why is thst so difficult for you to explain this?

Because I didn't make that claim. Now why is it so difficult for you to explain how that anon's claim does not apply to you? I get the impression you don't actually know.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513676194 >>513676286
>>513673574
>moral truth
Demonstrate one
>>513676069
Can you? Let's start there
>>513676069
>Because I didn't make that claim
But you agree with it. Why?
Anonymous (ID: 2e8zP9GF) No.513676278
>>513643318 (OP)
Bobo
putang inamo
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513676286 >>513676439 >>513676439
>>513676194
>Can you? Let's start there

Can I what?

>But you agree with it. Why?

I don't agree with it. I don't even understand the claim and am seeking clarity from either of you and getting none.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513676439 >>513676559
>>513676286
>>Can you? Let's start there
>Can I what?
Demonstrate a moral truth
>>513676286
>>But you agree with it. Why?
>I don't agree with it. I don't even understand the claim
Then no reason to continue the conversation
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513676463 >>513676970
>>513674684
If you're still around can you at least provide me with videos or books that examine the question of "is it true that human flourishing is morally good, or is that just what we prefer?"? Preferably something that should isn't open-ended but rather something that reaches a definite conclusion, if possible, but if it is not yet a question that has been resolved then at least I'd like an overview of all the arguments for and against human flourishing being a moral good vs a preference?
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513676555 >>513676734 >>513676798 >>513677080
>>513674929
this is the problem, if morality is just a tool, then "should" and "obligation" are illusions. there's no reason to choose the tool of flourishing over the tool of destruction, only preference.
you might prefer a world where beings reach cognitive potential, but a nihlist who prefers a world of suffering has an equally valid position.
without truth, we can't call their preference wrong, only different.

>UPB
it's an attempt to find objective morality without God, but most philosophers see it as a restatement of the problem, not a solution. it defines "preferable" but can't ground why we ought to prefer it, which is the very question we're asking.

you're right that a long-term ecological view of flourishing is a more robust and intelligent goal than short-term hedonism, but that's still within the realm of sophisticated preference, the problem of "ought" remains.

let's use your own framework: you say your ethics is based on increasing mental potentials. that's a great axiom (starting assumption), but an axiom is by definition unproven, it's chosen.
the question is is choosing that axiom just a personal or evolutionary whim, or is it reflecting a true fact about the nature of reality and value? does consciousness "ought" to flourish?

that's the mystery you said you hate. the desire for a clear answer to that is the desire for moral realism, for morality to be about truth, not just tools.
on UPB it tries to argue that certain behaviors are logically inconsistent if universalized. it's a modern take on kantian duty, but it still ultimately rests on the unproven axiom that we ought to be logically consistent and that life ought to be preferred. it's a system built on sand, without a theistic or other metaphysical grounding, which you actually have, as a panentheist if that consciousness isn't just a passive aggregate but has a telos.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513676559
>>513676439
>Demonstrate a moral truth

I don't know. I am a pragmatist and I adhere to provisional truths like any scientist does.

>Then no reason to continue the conversation

But I want to learn?
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513676734 >>513677199
>>513676555
>there's no reason to choose the tool of flourishing over the tool of destruction, only preference.
Sure there is. It depends on the user of said tool

Just like a hammer is a tool, tool for building or a tool for killing
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513676798
>>513676555
>without truth
Whay truth exactly? Moral truth? Can you demonstrate some?
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513676970 >>513677548
>>513676463
i'd like to be obnoxious and offer overtly Christian works, but a deep dive into aristotle's notion of eudaimonia (the idea that human flourishing is the highest good/how virtue and purpose are tied to our nature) seems more like exactly what you're looking for.
grab "nicomachean ethics"
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513677080 >>513677925
>>513676555
>without truth, we can't call their preference wrong, only different

Okay I agree with that. I generally think in terms of preferences and not "moral truths".

>you're right that a long-term ecological view of flourishing is a more robust and intelligent goal than short-term hedonism, but that's still within the realm of sophisticated preference, the problem of "ought" remains.

I just live with the issue by not reasoning about preferences really. I can explain cause and effect relationships and then leave it up to people to make their own decisions to self-destruct or whatever. I'm not sure how to transcend this modality or if it's even possible.

>but an axiom is by definition unproven, it's chosen.

Yes.

>the question is is choosing that axiom just a personal or evolutionary whim, or is it reflecting a true fact about the nature of reality and value? does consciousness "ought" to flourish?

I suppose I default to personal/evolutionary whim.

>the desire for a clear answer to that is the desire for moral realism, for morality to be about truth, not just tools.

Well at least now I have a term to search up. "Moral realism".

Is CCC interpretation of Quantum Mechanics compatible with there being a telos possessed by universal consciousness? If it is compatible is it also perhaps inseparable from said interpretation, aka to entertain the contrary (no telos) while holding onto CCC interpretation is impossible?
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513677199 >>513677294
>>513676734
>It depends on the user of said tool

Aka his preference. You're not even contradicting him, you're just stating what he said back to him.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513677294 >>513677997
>>513677199
>Aka his preference. You're not even contradicting him,
He's contradicting himself because his choice in morality is his preference in God


This why he consistently misses the forest for the trees
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513677548
>>513676970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zcJpDOjwtE

This reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e30hDYlKMKQ&list=PLo6FrOGjYRkbM0LLPLNLaLpfTuT_2ttCK

Specifically chapter 4.
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513677925 >>513678122 >>513678386
>>513677080
>Well at least now I have a term to search up. "Moral realism".
if you're curious about moral realism, i'd steer you toward russ shafer-landau's "moral realism: a defence" (he's an atheist)
and far, far away from sam harris' dumpster fire that never escapes the is/ought problem. i'll never forgive nu-atheists for making me slog through that pile of shit.
also maybe c.s. lewis' "the abolition of man"

also familiarize yourself with these words if you're going down this rabbit hole, people get really confused:
>objective (typically used interchangeably with "real," it doesn't mean universal, it means mind-independent)
>subjective (typically used interchangeably with "antirealism" or "relativism", it means mind-dependent)
>epistemology (how we know)
>ontology (what is)

quantum mechanics stuff's outside of my wheelhouse.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513677997 >>513678122
>>513677294
I think your reasoning right now is a non sequitur.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513678122 >>513678327 >>513678449 >>513679300 >>513679847
>>513677925
>>objective (typically used interchangeably with "real," it doesn't mean universal, it means mind-independent)
When you say "real", real to who's perspective? Same with "mind-independent". Who's mind?
>>513677997
Why exactly?
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513678327 >>513678487 >>513678701
>>513678122
>reality is like... not even real man... it's like... just in our minds... *brbl brbl bong noises*
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513678386 >>513680075
>>513677925
>"moral realism: a defence" (he's an atheist)

Does that mean he's just playing devil's advocate and doesn't actually believe moral realism or does he consider atheism and moral realism to be compatible?

If atheism and moral realism is compatible doesn't that undermine some of your previous claims in this thread to some degree?

>also maybe c.s. lewis' "the abolition of man"

I already read most of C.S. Lewis's works but I can't remember that title so maybe that's one I missed.

>>objective (typically used interchangeably with "real," it doesn't mean universal, it means mind-independent)

I don't believe that there is anything independent of mind. To me mind is the fundamental. I'm very into Bernardo Kastrup and similar thinkers like the ones at Essentia Foundation.

>>subjective (typically used interchangeably with "antirealism" or "relativism", it means mind-dependent)

So I'm a subjectivist then?

>epistemology (how we know)

I know that one already.

>ontology (what is)

I thought ontology meant related to a first principle or "absolute being". I am never sure though whether to consider the absolute as a "being" or not and what "being" actually means and I'm really confused by "dasein" still.

>quantum mechanics stuff's outside of my wheelhouse.

CCC means "Consciousness Causes Collapses" and is a competitor with the BS that is "Many Worlds Interpretation" and one other interpretation that everyone just ignores. The three different interpretations have to modify some aspect of quantum mechanics, CCC is based on superposition being real.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513678449 >>513678519
>>513678122
>Why exactly?

Him having a moral preference for God does not contradict there being a moral truth tied to God. You basically set up a false dichotomy / false binary.
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513678471 >>513679468
every religious person I've ever met is a super retard. also Catholics are literally pedophiles, all priests are pedophiles and love fucking kids, and Catholics are known to rape kids too. also all religious people are all hypocritical holier than thou faggot retards. all you have to do is ask them a few questions and they all out themselves as mega fucking retards tripping over their own gay retard logic and fallacies. also all religious books are really fucking dumb and gay and very boring. have you ever read any? no, you haven't, religious people can't be bothered to read their own gay holy books. I've read 5 religious texts and they are all fucking gay and dumb. most religious people are also homosexuals. this is already known and proven over and over throughout history. religious people love sucking cock and fucking kids. coincidence? nope. they are gay and suck cock. religious people are all literally gay and actual retards who love sucking cock.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513678487 >>513679654
>>513678327
Very predictable
>>513675133
>You typically ignore anytime you have to demonstrate your claims. That's why you always move to ad hom after
Never fails.

You're the type of person that focuses on sounding and looking "philosophically smart" but in practice and pressed for demonstrating, you absolutely fail. Every single time.
Anonymous (ID: cRCXKE7S) United States No.513678503
>>513643318 (OP)
Isn't China and lao zhang dao, Taoist?
>SEA
oooh, code for indian.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513678519 >>513679847 >>513679888 >>513682988
>>513678449
>Him having a moral preference for God does not contradict there being a moral truth tied to God
Who's God?
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513678701 >>513680125
>>513678327
I believe that reality is a cosmic mind and said cosmic mind is real (I almost write "within a cosmic mind" but "absolute law" as defined by William Walker Atkinson is "outside" of mind and causative of it I think, it's explained in this book https://www.yogebooks.com/english/atkinson/1922personalpower.pdf, and that's the "en" part of panentheism). I put "outside" in quotes because really talking about absolute law using terms like "within, without, above, below" etc aka things to do with position and space is nonsensical. Also reality is by definition real, "reality is not real" is an extremely strange statement to make, one that reads to me like "the real is not real".

Anyways my point is that reality is not perception but it's also not something independent of us the way a materialist would have it.
Anonymous (ID: 1pQ8rUZE) United Kingdom No.513678738
>>513643318 (OP)
show us a picture of your surroundings? bet its palm trees and fields for miles aint it
Anonymous (ID: 1pQ8rUZE) United Kingdom No.513678799
>>513646013
>look at those sand niggers, so savage
>yea but their religion is amazing, lets embrace it
>aiiight
Anonymous (ID: 1pQ8rUZE) United Kingdom No.513678863 >>513679053
>>513648587
what historical truths?
Anonymous (ID: 1pQ8rUZE) United Kingdom No.513678928
>>513648801
>i have a mixed race friend hat kills british homeless people
please post your address
Anonymous (ID: 1pQ8rUZE) United Kingdom No.513678966
>>513649875
hahahahahaha what a fucking retard.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513679053 >>513679100
>>513678863
From one I understand is that the Bible was to reveal the existence of Pontius Pilate
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513679100
>>513679053
>was
Was the first*
Anonymous (ID: 1pQ8rUZE) United Kingdom No.513679122 >>513680246
>>513659644
so i suppose observing the bible is the same as observing god? and that observing the bible beats all scientific experiments that are observed? im not an intellectual but you’re pretending you are is gay as can be
Anonymous (ID: 1pQ8rUZE) United Kingdom No.513679214 >>513680339
>>513672593
so anyone with a tattoo is judged what?
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513679300 >>513679440 >>513679440
>>513678122
>When you say "real", real to who's perspective?

Reality is independent of perspective. It's not created, it's discovered. Reality is "what is". Your question here is pointless.

>Same with "mind-independent". Who's mind?

This is a valid question.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513679440 >>513680463
>>513679300
>Your question here is pointless.
So what's a real moral truth then? Weird I have to keep asking this. Which is what my question aims at

>>513679300
>>Same with "mind-independent". Who's mind?
>This is a valid question.
One neither you nor him can answer
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513679468 >>513679999
>>513678471
What are your thoughts on the Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads? Did you read those?
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513679654 >>513679847
>>513678487
I think he's genuinely well informed based on what I've seen him going on about in this thread so far and that he has a decent grasp on some philosophical issues. Also the time between his posts indicates to me he's really putting thought into it before posting whereas you output a lot more posts a lot quicker which is okay I guess but you're not putting the same kind of effort into each post you make.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513679847 >>513680641
>>513679654
Let me know when you or him can address
>>513678519
>>Him having a moral preference for God does not contradict there being a moral truth tied to God
>Who's God?
And
>>513678122
>Same with "mind-independent". Who's mind?
You're new here. It shows. People like to talk the talk, examine them long enough and they can't grasps walk the walk.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513679888 >>513680093 >>513680093 >>513680093
>>513678519
I presume, and I really can't answer your question on his behalf so this is just an assumption, that he must be referring ambiguously to the one god "that is", and which neither you, nor me, nor him really fully understands but do have at least some degree of insight into the nature thereof. He might also assume that said god happens to be the same as a personal god and might ascribe to a specific personal god perhaps the one from a specific branch of Christianity.

...but he'll have to answer that, I can't really answer on his behalf.

Anyways, your question about "Who's God" I don't see the relevance. What I said applies regardless of which God he is referencing. A moral preference for any god or gods does not contradict there being a moral truth tied to God.
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513679999 >>513680704
>>513679468
>indians
super retards and stink like shit and ugly women
>more retarded religion
retards
>BUT MUH REASONS I WILL NEVER GIVE
retards
>more twisted bullshit spaghetti logic
retards
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513680030
>>513648587
That's funny because for me the only true parts of the Bible are the parts describing psychic phenomena. Like the facticity of psychic phenomena is something I relate to, the historicity of the Bible is not something I accept. To me the Bible is an unreliable narrative that none the less describes phenomena that has always happened and will always happen, it gives clues into how psychic phenomena functions.
Anonymous (ID: anG/Znjw) United States No.513680075 >>513680304 >>513680304 >>513681273
>>513678386
shafer-landau is a non-naturalist moral realist. he genuinely believes moral truths are objective, mind-independent facts.
his existence does technically undermine a simplistic version of the "God is necessary for morality" argument.
the more precise claim is that God is the most philosophically coherent and ontologically robust grounding for objective moral values and duties.

atheistic moral realism faces what is called the "locus of value" problem.
where do these mind-independent moral facts exist?
what is their nature?
how do we interact with them?
most naturalistic philosophies (physicalism, materialism) have no place for such non-physical facts. so atheistic moral realists like shafer-landau have to posit a mysterious abstract "realm" of moral facts that just exist.
many philosophers (including atheists) find this unsatisfying and a little more than magical thinking. it's a huge problem.

>i don't believe that there is anything independent of the mind. to me mind is the fundamental
this is complicated and i'm not awake enough to reason it out.
you believing "mind is fundamental" (cosmopsychism, metaphysical idealist) isn't what's making you a subjectivist, but earlier your notion that "you don't need to tie morality to truth" would probably make you one.
the mind-dependence i'm talking about would be like individual mind-dependence, but your panentheism complicates things since you’re positing a universal consciousness that might serve as a grounding point.

>ontology
your definition is getting at theology. in pure philosophy, ontology is just the study of what exists (what is). for you, the answer is "mind."
>abolition of man
it's a short brilliant book where lewis argues against subjectivism and for the reality of objective value. it's not explicitly Christian. given your idealism you'd probably find it really interesting.
i'm out, see ya.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513680093 >>513681519
>>513679888
>that he must be referring ambiguously to the one god "that is",
Aka his favorite flavor of god, which boild down to preference

>>513679888
>Anyways, your question about "Who's God" I don't see the relevance.
Then you need to look deeper. Because "God" is absolutely subjective. Surely you don't mean to hinge this all on the god or gods of the Sentinelese people? Why not? Because it's not your preference.

>>513679888
>A moral preference for any god or gods does not contradict there being a moral truth tied to God.
But you can't even demonstrate which God, why or if they even exist beyond personal preference
Anonymous (ID: bytW6Hi/) United States No.513680111
>>513643318 (OP)
Ok Ching Chong
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513680125
>>513678701
I guess instead of materialist here I should say "cartesian dualist" but materialism is based on cartesian dualism to a great degree.
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513680139
>>513643318 (OP)
>1pbtid
yawn
>memeflag
yawn
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513680246 >>513680368
>>513679122
He's not wrong that all reasoning is circular because all reasoning is built upon axioms and axioms are always assumptions. If there is a kind of reasoning that transcends this issue then please do inform me.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513680304 >>513681693
>>513680075
>atheistic moral realism
Oxymoron. Atheism doesn't have any positions on morality

>>513680075
>where do these mind-independent moral facts exist?
The catch is, there’s no empirical "place" you can point to for abstract entities. If they exist, they’re not in spacetime but in a conceptual or ontological framework. The question then shifts to whether you buy into the existence of such abstract realities, which depends on your broader metaphysical commitments. What’s your take—are you leaning toward realism or skepticism here?
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513680339 >>513680404 >>513680411
>>513679214
As someone who made a mistake and either does not value beauty and has mistreated their body or has really underdeveloped sense of aesthetics.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513680368 >>513681824 >>513682023
>>513680246
>all reasoning is built upon axioms and axioms are always assumptions.
Is 2+2=4 an assumption?
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513680404 >>513680444 >>513682110
>>513680339
According to you
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513680411 >>513682228
>>513680339
51 fucking posts. you are a super fucking retard total schizo loser. kill yourself immediately you stupid faggot loser
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513680444
>>513680404
87 fucking posts. you need to go outside, god damn, you are a total loser. take a fucking break you spaz kike
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513680463 >>513680612
>>513679440
>So what's a real moral truth then?

I don't know. I hope the anon provides us with one.

>One neither you nor him can answer

The only reason I can't answer it is because the question wasn't directed at me. I personally believe in a cosmic-consciousness like Bernardo Kastrup describes and in CCC interpretation of Quantum mechanics. So if I reference God when I'm talking about "my own God" then I'm talking about cosmic consciousness which is an impersonal god that we all live within.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513680612 >>513682585 >>513682611
>>513680463
>I'm talking about cosmic consciousness
What does this mean exactly?
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513680641 >>513680894
>>513679847
I've been here since 2007 when I found this place after it was referenced on battle.net and I was about 14/15 years old.

>>>Him having a moral preference for God does not contradict there being a moral truth tied to God

I already stated that a preference for any god does not contradict there being a moral truth tied to God. Your reasoning is faulty here in all cases. So what is even the point of answering "who's god" when literally it does not matter? A preference for ANY god does not contradict there being a moral truth tied to God. When are you going to demonstrate that your dichotomy is a true one? It's clearly not, it's a false dichotomy.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513680704 >>513681074
>>513679999
So... did you read the Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads?
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513680894 >>513682876
>>513680641
>I already stated that a preference for any god does not contradict there being a moral truth tied to God
So any God I pick for my morality is valid?
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513681074 >>513683001
>>513680704
>but did you READ the bible?
>but did you READ the torah?
>but did you READ the quran?
>but did you READ the vedas?
>but did you READ the book of mormon?
>but did you READ the tao te ching?
>but did you READ the avesta?
>but did you READ the bible?
>but did you READ the
that's how stupid you are. so... did you bother thinking before typing?
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513681273
>>513680075
>the more precise claim is that God is the most philosophically coherent and ontologically robust grounding for objective moral values and duties.

So "parsimonious" then?

>many philosophers (including atheists) find this unsatisfying and a little more than magical thinking. it's a huge problem.

I ascribe to William Walker Atkinson and he was influenced by Herbert Spencer. Are you familiar with either of these philosophers?

>but earlier your notion that "you don't need to tie morality to truth" would probably make you one.

I said that from a pragmatic point of view. I'm just saying there that people manage to function on consensus, preferences, constructs, etc. with various different societies and individuals acting out their preferences and it manages to "work out" at least for the time being. I think in the long-term though those modalities which are odd with reality would inevitably be selected against and people whose adherence to actual truth would be more evolutionarily advantageous.

>the mind-dependence i'm talking about would be like individual mind-dependence, but your panentheism complicates things since you’re positing a universal consciousness that might serve as a grounding point.

Okay that clears up a lot for me.

>your definition is getting at theology. in pure philosophy, ontology is just the study of what exists (what is). for you, the answer is "mind."

Okay. I often make categorical errors because I sometimes confuse concepts from psychology with concepts from theology or concepts from philosophy. Since I study all three, I do often fuck up on this, but not anywhere near as bad as Jordan Peterson who is basically the posterman right now for categorical errors lol.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513681519 >>513681666 >>513682044 >>513682044 >>513682044
>>513680093
>Aka his favorite flavor of god, which boild down to preference

and? Him having a preference for god create the dichotomy you want to create.

>Then you need to look deeper. Because "God" is absolutely subjective. Surely you don't mean to hinge this all on the god or gods of the Sentinelese people? Why not? Because it's not your preference.

God is not subjective if said god is not conceived of as subjective, preferences for gods are subjective.

>But you can't even demonstrate which God, why or if they even exist beyond personal preference

God as I understand it is the ground of being, the absolute, the infinite, the eternal, etc. and exists independent of perception. The very word "absolute" means independent of cause, independent of everything, it "just is". I believe that space/void is divine, having many of the "attributes of god".
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513681666 >>513682044 >>513683425
>>513681519
>God is not subjective
>God as I understand it is the ground of being, the absolute, the infinite, the eternal, etc. and exists independent of perception.
you literally can't even understand your own bullshit, you're a burnt out drug addict or something
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513681693 >>513682044 >>513682235
>>513680304
>Oxymoron. Atheism doesn't have any positions on morality

True but it's not an oxymoron. Atheism does not contradict morality, it simply does not reference morality. I've been arguing in this very thread, and I think you were too earlier on, that morality can be secular in nature. The existence of several secular moralities such as stoicism, utilitarianism, hedonism, cynicism, pragmatism, etc. demonstrates or at least suggests that morality doesn't have to be tied to God. The counter argument would be found I guess in this Aristotelian ethics that I have to study right now but need to wait for the thread to finish first.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513681824 >>513681863 >>513682044 >>513682101 >>513682235
>>513680368
>Is 2+2=4 an assumption?

I believe so. See pic related. However I'm open to you convincing me otherwise.
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513681863 >>513683571
>>513681824
>However I'm open to you convincing me otherwise.
you can't be convinced so why are you even saying this? bot
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513682023 >>513682235
>>513680368
>Axiom
An Axiom is a statement that is considered to be true, based on logic; however it cannot be proven or demonstrated because it is simply considered as self evident. Basically, anything declared to be true and accepted, but does not have any proof or has some practical way of proving it, is an axiom.m The word Axiom comes from the Greek Axióma a means worthy or fit or that which commends itself as evident. These are the strong self evident truths.
1. Axiom is a universally accepted principle or rule.
2. It’s a preposition in logic or mathematics that is assumed without proof for the sake of studying consequences that follow from it.
3. An Axiom is a statement assumed to be true for the sake of expressing a logical sequence. They are the principal building blocks of proving statements Axioms, serve as the starting point of other mathematical statements.
The set of Axioms of a mathematical system has following characteristics:
1. Axioms are propositions which are assumed and accepted without any evidence to prove it.
2. Axioms are consistent.
3. Axioms are not superfluous.
4. Axioms are adequate.
5. Axioms are considered as “Rules of Game”.
6. Axioms are analytic propositions.
7. It serves as a starting point from which other statements are logically derived.
The Axioms are acceptable in the sense that there is no evidence to the contrary; on the other hand there are enough evidences to show that axioms are true. Axioms can be categorized as logical or non-logical, Logical Axioms are universally accepted and valid statements, while non-logical axioms are usually logical expression used in building mathematical theories.

Source: https://sdcollegeinstitutions.org/sdcollegeeducation/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Teaching-of-Mathematics-Axioms-and-postulate.pdf

(Note: Said source references Euclid, all this is based on Euclid).
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513682044 >>513683806
>>513681519
>>Aka his favorite flavor of god, which boild down to preference
>and?
That's been my argument the entire time.

>>513681519
>Him having a preference for god create the dichotomy you want to create
So when he says
>>513672874
>without an ontic referent (God) you’re locked into systems that are either instrumental, subjective, or socially constructed.
He's referring to his God only and argues it isn't a preference when it actually is.

>>513681519
>preferences for gods are subjective
And we hsut demonstrated his God is gos preference and therefore subjective

>>513681666
Exactly

>>513681693
>it simply does not reference morality
So then there no such thing as "atheistic moral realism", hence an oxymoron or contradiction at best
>>513681824
>>Is 2+2=4 an assumption?
>I believe so
You're an idiot
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513682101
>>513681824
>accepted as true without proof
The fact that you get 4 by adding 2+2 is the proof. If you can't understand that then you are an idiot
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513682110 >>513682195 >>513682235
>>513680404
I'm talking about how I judge people with tattoos not anything else, Captain Obvious.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513682195
>>513682110
Yes, you're preference lol
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513682228 >>513682301
>>513680411
I'm busy doing white man stuff that helps advance civilization and is part of the reason you're able to communicate your demands to me right now over the internet. Said white man stuff is a mysterious thing called "critical thinking" and "reason", stuff no doubt you've never heard of nor contemplated, and the further I refine this "skill" the better able I am to advance the white race and unfortunately one of the side effects of this advancement is useless eaters like you existing since other useless eaters that benefit from said advancements are then able to misallocate resources to your continued existence.
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513682235
>>513682110
>>513682023
>>513681824
>>513681693
this idiot is just babbling and can't even keep consistency with the things he's saying. is this a bot? because this is very clear bot behavior
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513682301
>>513682228
>I'm busy doing white man stuff that helps advance civilization
No you're not lol
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513682585 >>513682624 >>513682668
>>513680612
>What does this mean exactly?

It means that consciousness is the fundamental from which everything is derived and that all things are conceivable in terms of mind. That laws of nature are synonymous with laws of mind, that substance is mental substance aka thought, that energy is mental energy aka emotion and desire.

It's a good theory because it completely bypasses the "hard problem of consciousness" that materialist and energists are faced with and have never been able to resolve.

Check out Bernardo Kastrup on libgen. https://annas-archive.org/search?q=Benardo+Kastrup

Also on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Bernardo+Kastrup

I specifically recommend his two books "Science Ideated" and "The Idea of The World". In those books you will find many objections to this worldview fully addressed and refuted such as for example the common objection "if consciousness is disrupted by brain damage, then doesn't that mean consciousness is produced by the brain". It doesn't. The brain and nervous system is a medium for consciousness and overwhelming medical and scientific evidence continues to point to this, such as the ability for parts of the brain to be damaged, and yet memories can then be recovered. If your damaged a part of a computer, you could not make such a recovery, it would just be lost. The mind operates upon holographic principles (see "the holographic universe by Michael Talbot") that allow cognitive functions and memories to "spring up" again even after significant portions of brain matter are removed (up to 98% in some experiments in mice, and there also human examples that weren't experimented on intentionally but were studied because they had lost a lot of brain matter by accident).
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513682611 >>513682701 >>513682983 >>513683043 >>513683174
>>513680612
I highly encourage you to study metaphysical idealism and to come back onto /pol/ to make threads about it offering your criticisms of it you have any or just to spread the truth of it to other anons once you realize how parsimonious it is and that the theory is indeed the best we have right now.

Look into CCC Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics too. Us CCC chads just can't stop winning, MWI retards are always being refuted by every new experimental evidence.
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513682624
>>513682585
everyone point and laugh at this known homosexual pedo
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513682668 >>513682739 >>513682983 >>513683043 >>513683166 >>513683174
>>513682585
How do you have a consciousness without a physical mind?
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513682701 >>513683210
>>513682611
So you don't know what you're talking about since you can't even explain it on your own
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513682739 >>513682793
>>513682668
he'll never answer this, everything he says is mumbo jumbo bullshit babble. he can't explain anything straight and to the point
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513682793
>>513682739
Agreed
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513682876 >>513682983 >>513682988 >>513683043 >>513683174
>>513680894
>So any God I pick for my morality is valid?

No but your having a prefence for any god does not invalidate an objective morality existing if there is one. If there is an objective morality btw it means that morality is discovered not created/constructed. I personally ascribe to the notion that beauty is objective and not constructed, so it might not be that big of a leap then for me to perhaps discover the same applies to morality, but I'm not sure yet.

Look up Roger Scruton on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Roger+Scruton+beauty+objective

He's the guy who convinced me beauty is objective. Others talking about that subject have further me double down on that stance.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513682919 >>513682983 >>513683043
Roger Penrose - How does Beauty Color the Universe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upd6PvrrziU
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513682983
>>513682919
>>513682876
>>513682611
hey faggot answer this question: >>513682668
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513682988
>>513682876
>>So any God I pick for my morality is valid?
>No
Then we're back to
>>513678519
>Who's God?
Which you clearly can't answer
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513683001 >>513683030 >>513683043 >>513683053 >>513683074
>>513681074
>that's how stupid you are. so... did you bother thinking before typing?

I read all of those except for "avesta". As for torah is that the old testament? I've read the old testament. If it's not then I still need to read the old testament.

Quran, Bible, Vedas, Book of Mormon, Tao Te Ching, I've read all of those.

Btw you listed Bible twice in your list. Rather silly mistake for you to make while calling me "stupid".
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513683030 >>513683129
>>513683001
>I read all of those
No you didn't
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513683043
>>513683001
>>513682919
>>513682876
>>513682611
hey faggot answer this question: >>513682668
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513683053
>>513683001
>Quran, Bible, Vedas, Book of Mormon, Tao Te Ching, I've read all of those.
No you haven't
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513683074 >>513683108 >>513683174
>>513683001
>f it's not then I still need to read the old testament.

I mean Torah. Still would need to read the Torah.

Btw I've also read the communist manifesto and like every other political work you can think of such as ayn rand's books, hitler, etc.

I have no idea what point you trying to make but I'm still curious whether or not you've read the bhagavad gita or the unpanishads.
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513683108
>>513683074
>Btw I've also read the communist manifesto and like every other political work you can think of such as ayn rand's books, hitler, etc.
No you haven't
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513683129 >>513683174 >>513683192
>>513683030
>No you didn't

I did not say that I read all of them. I listed the specific ones I have read. Also of those that I read, some I read multiple different translations for them. Why are you strawmanning with your greentext there then responding to your strawman?
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513683166 >>513683276 >>513683276 >>513683276
>>513682668
>How do you have a consciousness without a physical mind?

Physical mind is an oxymoron. There is no such thing as a "physical mind". Your question is stupid. Did you mean to say "how do have a consciousness without a physical brain"?
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513683174 >>513683237
>>513683074
>>513683129
>>513682876
>>513682611
hey faggot answer this question: >>513682668
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513683192 >>513683246
>>513683129
>I listed the specific ones I have read.
My answer doesn't change
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513683210 >>513683319 >>513683320
>>513682701
I just explained it to you and I'm fully capable of explaining it, what the fuck is wrong with you? You just going to ignore the post above that one like it doesn't exist?
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513683237 >>513683319
>>513683174
Stop spamming retard I'm trying to read and respond to every post in the thread.
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513683246 >>513683356
>>513683192
notice he doesn't answer questions directly asked to him. that user is a bot, 100%
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513683276 >>513683356
>>513683166
>Physical mind is an oxymoron
How exactly?
>>513683166
>There is no such thing as a "physical mind"
It's called the brain
>>513683166
>Your question is stupid
Or you can't into nuance

Notice how you didn't answer the question but instead leapt to pilpul
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513683319
>>513683237
>>513683210
fuck you, you fucking homosexual. you are a KNOWN homosexual
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513683320
>>513683210
>I just explained it to you
No you didn't
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513683356
>>513683246
Yup
>>513683276
>Notice how you didn't answer the question but instead leapt to pilpul
Kek
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513683425 >>513683448 >>513683478 >>513683518
>>513681666
>you literally can't even understand your own bullshit, you're a burnt out drug addict or something

I understand perfectly what I am saying. I believe you're engaging in psychological projection now.

Reality is God. Reality is not subjective and exists independent of your perception of reality. I have a perception of God, an interpretation of God, and God aka reality also just is independent of my interpretation and perception thereof.

I define God/reality as "that which is". Are you going to now tell me there is no such thing as an absolute, no such thing as "that which is", and argue for some retarded broken hyper-subjectivism and start using post-modernism to make your points aka the same broken philosophy that brought us trannyism and all that garbage?
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513683448
>>513683425
thanks chatgpt
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513683478
>>513683425
>Reality is God
Who's God though? Why not gods?
Anonymous (ID: +FVKuThf) United States No.513683518
>>513683425
>I define God/reality as "that which is"
Very nebulous and vague. It actually says absolutely nothing.
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513683571 >>513683599
>>513681863
>you can't be convinced so why are you even saying this? bot

Did you never ever study "the nature of knowledge" aka epistemology? I get more and more the impression you've skipped out on basic philosophy classes and are a very confused person. All human knowledge, mathematics, science, etc. is built on axioms. Axioms are "self-evident" assumptions that must be congruent with their deductions. One very fundamental axiom for example is Rene Descartes "I think therefore I am". It is not something that has to be reasoned out, explained, etc. it is self-evident that one exists so much so that one can not argue to the contrary. Then building upon this basic assumption of self-existence we can reason out many different things.
Anonymous (ID: Ngmy+4kD) United States No.513683599
>>513683571
thanks chatgpt
Anonymous (ID: vFiDHO4Q) No.513683806
>>513682044
>That's been my argument the entire time.

What argument?

>He's referring to his God only and argues it isn't a preference when it actually is.

It's both a preference and not one. You're creating a false dichotomy here.

>And we hsut demonstrated his God is gos preference and therefore subjective

A preference for reality is subjective. It does not follow from this that reality itself is subjective. Do you know what a "non sequitur" is? Do you know what induction and deduction is? Have you ever studied formal logic?

>So then there no such thing as "atheistic moral realism", hence an oxymoron or contradiction at best

Man you are dense. No, it's not an oxymoron or a contradiction. For it to be an oxymoron or contradiction, atheism would have to contradict moral realism. Atheism not referencing morality does not mean it contradicts it, it means IT DOES NOT REFERENCE IT.

>You're an idiot

Look up Euclid the founder of mathematics and look up what axiom means. The only idiot here is you.