Thread 513678594

>>513678594 (OP)
Democrats taxed every aspect of a new home there to feed all their pet niggers in Philly

>>513678594 (OP)
It's not unusual at all for new things to cost more than old things, and that in no way disproves the law of supply and demand.

>>513678883
It disproves the meme that housing will go down if we build more housing, because it fails to account that they will only make new housing for the 600-1.5 million range and will not reduce demand in almost all price ranges

>>513679222
Only in blue states. But they worship jews and want to support niggers so who cares

where are they building new homes? on the outskirts of the suburbs. who lives in the outer suburbs? rich white people.

>>513678594 (OP)
>>Want to reduce housing prices?
Forcibly relocate all jews and their pets, allow ONLY US Citizens to own homes.
No blackrock.

>>513679222
If developers are building expensive housing it's because they believe there is demand for it. This will decrease demand in other price brackets because those people are no longer competing for the same housing.

That is unless the new house is built after demolishing an existing house instead of on a new lot.

Easy solution: build cheap commie-style housing in cities. There, problem solved.

to build new houses you need more immigrants who will need more houses which will need more immigrants.............

>>513679222
>It disproves the meme that housing will go down if we build more housing
No it does not.
>because it fails to account that they will only make new housing for the 600-1.5 million range and will not reduce demand in almost all price ranges
That's the "typical home", not every built home.
And yes, if you're competing with fewer doctors and business owners for old homes you're more likely to get them cheaper.

>>513681677
>build cheap commie-style housing in cities
This is the real solution. Brezhnevkas galore.
Have some in a corner away from civilization for section 8ers.

Then have a nice one for White people.
I wouldn't mind living in one of these if my neighbors weren't cunts.

>>513679222
No it doesn't. Once there's a saturation of new homes their prices will fall and then the price of the old homes will fall relatively as well.,

>>513678594 (OP)
This is insane considering new construction is literally cardboard. Shit is so cheap now the house flexes as you walk through it.

>>513678594 (OP)
The problem is they have no Mexicans in Pennsylvania, so contractors are all methed up white trash or niggers who demand $30 an hour for menial labor worth $10 an hour

>>513678594 (OP)
it would be 10x easier to remove all the illegals in pennsylvania, and force banks and REITs to sell their inventory and crash the market.

why don't we make new towns and cities anymore? Why did that just stop? Sometimes I go to the midwest and south and its miles of nothing? Why the fuck don't they build new towns? Or invest in dying ones?

The only way to reduce housing costs is to get around the restrictions homeowners have put up. As soon as someone owns a home in America, the first they do is pull up the ladder behind them and fight tooth and nail to inflate home prices. L:ike 80% of the agenda of local governments is to inflate housing prices because that's who are voting in local elections.

$50,000 units could be built by the millions all over America, but local governments are just never going to allow it. They'll use zoning laws and littany of others laws to fight against it.

The inflated housing costs in America are 100% an artificial creation. It makes zero sense for homes that deteriorate over time to do nothing but increase in value over time. It's a huge problem that housing is seen as an speculative asset and not a necessity. America is huge, with a lot of spaces for homes yet they're not being built in sufficient numbers and the ones that are being built aren't basic units but featured units. You wouldn't be able to just build one room homes in 90% of America.

>>513685333
It's only blue states and blue cities that do this though, look at the heavily red areas, cheap housing, they build what they need, no real issues, look at Oklahoma City for example. San Antonio is pretty blue I guess too but they build enough there, in the middle of the country they just build enough houses, in California they do the opposite even in areas where there's plenty of land

>>513679222
>>513678594 (OP)
Modern American homes ≠ 1970s and earlier American homes.

Any "existing home" for sale you dont just buy, slap some new paint on it and move your stuff in.

Most existing homes that are purchased nowindays have to be practically gutted.

That $300k for used homes is mostly for the land plus framing. Then your gonna spend close to $300k, in new siding, roofing, windows, appliances, insullation, walls, flooring or carpet, toilets, bathtubs, etc etc.

>>513678594 (OP)
there's a lot of abandoned homes, it has nothing to do with there not being enough

>>513678594 (OP)
PA has one of the strictest building codes.
There is a reason everyone in Europe lives in 500 year old cuck sheds.
The cost to buy a new Euro house is like 1+ million USD due to regulations.

>>513685521
The whole gutting thing is subjective, you rarely need to take it down to the studs, what houses from the 1950s onward usually need is new drywall texturing, new flooring, new bathroom and kitchen fixtures, etc, that's it, anyone who isn't a pussy can take this on no problem. The issue is that you many men these days are pussies and won't take these projects on

>>513685482
It's red states as well, but the zoning laws that are preventing cheaper housing from going up are mostly at the county and city level rather than state.

What really increases the costs of home building are multi room dwellings, but in most jurisdictions they are required, and things like dedicated bathrooms for bedrooms are required, and dedicated room for kitchen, dedicated living room, and etc. Most studio apartments for example are older structures that were grandfathered in.

>>513678594 (OP)
Yeah that's great but what about banning male infant genital mutilation.

>>513685669
Yea these "MEN" here are just AFRAID!!! SCARED MEN OF HOUSES!! Like there ghosts in them! Hhaha YOU HEAR THAT /pol/ YOURE AFRAID!!!! AFRAID OF HOMES! Hahahahaah

>>513678594 (OP)
have you not watched enough FLIPPING PROPERTIES shows? jews are literally charging 2x the price of the house after putting in under 100k of work in. property flipping should be highly regulated. there should be strict housing price control based on average salaries and must not exceed 5x average yearly salary for a single family home in average area

>>513685521
the fuck are you talking about. you can do all that and it won't come close to $300k.

>>513681588
This post best post. Only people or families can own homes and we should limit the number to 2 or 3 so they cant be rental kikes borrowing money to buy houses and then charging some poor family 1.5x the mortgage to live there.

>>513686133
Stfu. Flooring, walls and appliances alone in a 2 level american home is atleast $100k. Not talking about plumbing problems, windows, roofing, siding, ghosts, any electrical or wiring issues or updates needed,

>>513685023
30$ an hour for building mcmansions is cheap you boomer kike. The problem is Paco and Juan will build a house for 2000$ while boomer kikes like you will sell it for 1,000,000 and do jack shit. And paco and Juan and their fat wives and 5 kids each will rent another boomer fucks house for 4k a month and live together and drink Tecate. All while an American family just wants a decent wage and a home to own for them and their children. The problem is jews, corporations and boomers. Where I live you could buy a decent starter home 6 years ago for 100k. The same homes, same lots, bought by boomers or corporations who slapped on some paint and did flooring or nothing at all, want 500k.

>>513678781
>Democrats taxed every aspect of a new home there to feed all their pet niggers in Philly
Not to mention that materials costs have skyrocketed, old houses have wear and tear that make them cost less, and old houses are a lot smaller and have fewer amenities.

Builders mostly build McMansions nowadays, unless you build your own out in a rural area. Builders don't voluntarily hammer together a 1000sf 2bed/1bath.

>>513685257
No one wants to live out in the middle of nowhere where there are no restaurants, no gas stations, no hospitals, and frequent werewolf attacks.

>>513685023
If they can't find anyone to do it for $10 then it's not worth $10.
>b-but I feel like it's worth 10 because feelings
>the rest of that money should go to my useless fat ass for sucking off my boss in the office

>>513688113
That is the governments job to build infrastructure and entice companies to come

>>513685603
>there's a lot of abandoned homes, it has nothing to do with there not being enough
>there are a million abandoned homes in Gary, Indiana and Detroit, this is why we don't need more housing where people actually want to live
Utter retardation.

>>513678594 (OP)
I have controversial opinion:
What if we don’t go with supply route, as land is limited resource, and take care of demand issue by not importing infinite hindu?

>>513685023
how many man hours do you think are going into a house

>>513685669
Tearing a house down to studs is a California thing people do to avoid permitting for a new build. Unless the house is poorly maintained it is generally not necessary but may be desired.

I have a pink bathtub, my house is from the 50s. It's enameled cast iron and in perfect condition but clearly dated. I could remodel the bathroom for 40k but if I just decide to live with a pink bathtub I can be 40k richer.

>>513685257
>why don't we make new towns and cities anymore? Why did that just stop?
No business, agriculture is all already established so you can't make a farming community.
There are a few places where they find new mines and minerals, but that's about it.

>Sometimes I go to the midwest and south and its miles of nothing?
There's typically massive megafarms, not nothing.
>Or invest in dying ones?
Just not worth it.
Easier to put your new factory in places where everything is available.
Where you already have educated specialists and a labor force to pick from.

Plus these are usually uprooting communities.
We don't really have as many sizeable close communties anymore that can just pick up and leave.

>>513688709
None of what you say benefits the average man.

>>513679222

honestly you are just the kind of guy who would say "lolbertarians". what a fucking joke of an "argument".

>>513688786
He is stupid and what he says are stupid.
Lolbertarians are still jokes.

>>513678594 (OP)

Philly row homes were like 75k last time I was there in 2016
And there were lots of them.

>>513688853
>Lolbertarians are still jokes.
sure bro. people pointing out the way the economy works are jokes. in reality the state should mandate that housing and food are free and we wouldnt even have to work.

>>513678594 (OP)
Yeah but how does that kick niggers out of their home?

>>513685669
> drywall texturing, new flooring, new bathroom and kitchen fixtures, etc, that's it, anyone who isn't a pussy can take this on no problem.
>The issue is that you many men these days are pussies and won't take these projects on
People have jobs, you don’t have energy in your 30s like your 20#, and in your 40s, when you can afford a home your energy is gone.
You are asking people to give up thier downtime and social life for years to remodel thier own home on the weekends

>>513688113
I was attacked by a werewolf at a restaurant once had to drive a great distance to the hospital so I had to stop for gas along the way.

>>513678594 (OP)
>kick out all the government subsidized illegals
>suddenly a plethora of domiciles available

HOLY SHIT AND I SAVE A BUNCH OF SHEKELS

oh but gosh darn it jews won't have their cheap slave labor anymore :\

Even if apartments are built they are usually marketed as luxury or premium apartments that are beyond the price range of average families. The people who end up buying them are either boomers who hoard property, foreign investors or immigrants.

The entire west at this point uses housing as some investment vehicle rather than something to house their populations. No one wants to fix it because it's simply too profitable.

Same with the job market and outsourcing. You cannot have some company that can have billions in profit if you reshored every job and paid people a living wage.

There are currently 33% (500,000) more home sellers on the market than there are buyers, in the United States. The problem is more complicated than supply.

>>513685333
checked
If you remove all the restrictions, you'll end up living in a favela, bug hive, or something else equally terrible. You have to fix everything else first like getting rid of favela dwellers, kikes, etc.

>>513689145

look you fucking slav

houses are primarily used to house people, that's what the actual demand comes from. without that, no investment would work since there wouldn't be an actual use for it.

all wagies want to fix that. it is not fixed because politicians want it that way. politics don't work based on supply and demand, which means, everyone but the ones in power could want something, and it wouldn't get done.

as to outsourcing. indians being bad at their job is the only thing that actually regulates that. if indians were capable and outsourcing was illegal, companies from india would simply outcompete western ones.

>>513689858

there is literally nothing else to it than supply

the "there are empty homes" is leftie bullshit. they are in rural areas.

look man, since its apparently so hard to understand the problem, consider this thought exercise:

imagine a city with very expensive housing, in the US i think it would be NY or San Francisco idk. and consider the following: everyone who wants a home and can pay the price, already has one. this is proven by the fact that there's no wait list: if you can pay the price they want, you get one on the spot. there are also no empty homes that are in good shape and can't be rented, obviously, since anyone can post one on the internet and get a bunch of calls from people who want to rent it. therefore, there are as many homes as people who are able and willing to rent one for the market price, it's 1:1.

now imagine that, somehow, 500,000 of those homes/apartments were destroyed overnight. what would happen? other than lost money to the landlords, the tenants should be ok, as they could just look for another on the internet, since they can afford rent in that area, right? except, there would now be 500,000 more people willing to rent than there would be homes. what do you think would happen then, with this new competition for less homes? would it eventually even out, and if so how?

imagine the opposite situation too. 500,000 new homes for rent overnight. but no one would want to rent them at the current price, as supply and demand are already 1 to 1. what would the owners do? how would they find tenants for them?

>>513685521
>Then your gonna spend close to $300k, in new siding, roofing, windows, appliances, insullation, walls, flooring or carpet, toilets, bathtubs, etc etc.
How fucking big is this supposed house lmao

>>513678781
> it's the dems
you fucking retard please use your brain and look what the reps did.

>>513689986
No, if you keep the restrictions you end up with people literally homeless with no shelter. Favela > literal homelessness

>>513678594 (OP)
reduce people that shouldnt be here (illegals and all h1b and 99% of visas)

>>513691520
but mexicans build homes. each mexican takes up one home and builds a bunch of them

>>513678594 (OP)
shouldn't have tariffed canadian lumber you MAGA numbskulls