Thread 513681106

Under communism you're guaranteed a commieblock apartment, food, and a job.
Under capitalism you're living in the pod and eating the bugs because the rich will bleed you dry of all your money.

>>513681106 (OP)


And you have no choice on what food you eat.
No choice on where you live
No choice in what profession you work at.
No choice on if you want to work or not.
No choice on healthcare


Fuck off you communist kike !!!

>>513681106 (OP)
Reminder that Bolshevism was a JEWISH psyop that destroyed eastern europe

>>513681245
You just described capitalism.
>Engineered goyslop
>At home because you can't afford to move out
>Choose between Walmart of McDonald's
>Do you want healthcare or not?

>>513681306
Communism saved Europe
It was capitalism in 1989 that destroyed it

oh it's one of these threads
I don't agree with being governed at all.

>>513681424
May I interest you in anarchism. Perfect playpen.

>>513681393
Lol. Communism was a jewish plan benefitting only jews. And so is capitalism with usury allowed

>>513681106 (OP)
>under communism you get a shitty small home and crap food
>under capitalism you also have a shitty small home and some food
Wow, a strong argument op. Kill yourself. You want to experience the most pure communism on the planet? Go join the fucking army where the state is responsible for literally your entire existence and you get to experience everyone working together towards a common goal, and all it costs you is some of your rights

>>513681762
You got communism confused with capitalism.

>>513681880
You don't read well do you?

>>513681106 (OP)
yeah and how did that work out in reality?

>COMUNISM
jewish
>CAPITALISM
uberjewish

>>513681106 (OP)
The failures of the USSR can be explained by going back to Engels (and Marx) original theories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Engels

Russian communism tried to apply Engels and Marx original theories to Russian society, which was third world tier at the time. Engels said a society would have to become maximally capitalist first in order to gain the technology and industrialization necessary to become communist.

China may fail the same way, though theyve been exploiting a semi-capitalist system by out competing capitalist countries industries and having 2 system cities like Hong kong.

What USSR and China have proven, was despite skipping a fundamental step in original theories of communism, it is possible to rapidly accelerate a countries prosperity through communism alone.

>>513681106 (OP)
Under communism you are an insect
Under capitalism you are a cuck

Wow truly great choices
I chose the impossible
I chose Third Position

>>513681106 (OP)
You are guaranteed shit. He who does not work shall not eat. Neets don't get anything.

>>513682236
The real problem is dialectics. Marxist thought, whether communism or not, is all predicated on their dialectic theory which is inherently flawed and unworkable.

>>513681382
what's your point? that because capitalism sucks we need to go communist even though that sucks as bad at best but usually even worse? communist countries still have poverty and oligarchs you know. you're just advocating for a more powerful centralized government.

>>513681559
what would a big all powerful state communist know about actual anarchy? ive seen commies calling themselves anarchists and it doesnt make sense.

>>513681106 (OP)
Under Natural Law you only get nice things if you're strong enough to take and keep them

>>513681382
>Things that actually happened
>The hole you dug for yourself because you're a stupid redditor
Yeah. Everyone lives with their parents, works at wallmart, eats freezer meals and can't sort their health out just like you
Fucking retard

>>513682152
They went from third world to main competition with the worlds leading superpower. Then stagnated and died. China applied similar philosophy and again, a nation went from wide spread poverty to main competition with the worlds super power in extremely short period of time. Two different cultures, two different races, similar starts, similar results. Their differences and how china ends up, will be very interesting to study.

>>513681106 (OP)
Why does any critique of capitalism always send Jews into a seething frenzy?

>>513681106 (OP)
the "values" of communism are a ruse to establish authoritarian governments and kill non-jews

>>513682236
That means you will have to go through the pod and bug eating anyway before you get to be in the faggot commie utopia that will never happen

Nah

>>513681245
"no choice for healthcare" killed me lol.

>>513681106 (OP)
in all socialist countries, people could not quit their jobs without being punished and imprisoned. this is slavery. you are a wannabe slaver.

which is whatever desu, a lot of people believe in evil shit. some of the most famous historical and fictional characters are villains. the issue with modern commies (as opposed to old school ones like stalin and mao) is that you are all too weak and stupid to actually enslave anyone. being evil and strong is cool, being evil and weak is just pathetic. this is why people laugh at you.

>>513682433
china is capitalist mostly, despite their claims otherwise, but with some elements of communism. they tried going full communist and millions starved to death when the all powerful communist leader DICTATED that all the farmers should make shitty pig iron instead of farming. and again when he thought all the birds had to die. commie dictators are a disaster.

>>513682522
America alone has slaughtered significantly more than this artificially inflated number.

the people writing that took as many liberties as possible basically summarizing any and all deaths happening under communist regimes as caused by them and even they admit they still had to add about 5 million on top of that in rounding just to reach the 100 million headline number.

>>513681106 (OP)
capitalism and communism are the only two choices!

no other system exists and you are not allowed to imagine them!

this is the dichotomy! make your choice! both are bad but that's all you get!

>>513682433
>they went from backwater to being given/stealing from far more advanced countries and barely reaching parity with them despite having a far larger population
Not very impressive honestly. It would be like an iron man suit that can just almost fight against mohammed ali after he retired and got old and shitty.

>>513681106 (OP)
Both are jewish invented bs.

>>513682579
seems like it was the occult fixations on control rather than the communism that killed the country though. the collective farms have and still do function better than the privatized ones that dominate so much of the rural landscape.

>>513681245
I mean if you're going to make shit up, could you at least be believable? Btw, your cities are open sewers. What happened?

t. Hungarian born under Communism.

>>513681106 (OP)
There were 20 yr waiting lists to get an apartment during the Soviet era. So sure you will get an apartment, eventually.

>>513682651
exactly. its a false paradigm where conveniently the oligarchs end up winning either way. either the state, aka the oligarchs, control the capital. or the capital, aka the oligarchs, control the state. the same powerful oligarchs conveniently win in either scenario. either through corporations with power over the government or the government with power over corporations.

and the cope is that communists talk about councils or workers or something but what they really mean is we elect our leaders, which is just democracy, which we already have and its quite flawed and corrupt and has been so under communism as well.

every argument in favour of communism is just an attack on capitalisms failings and every argument in favour of capitalism is just an attack on communisms failings.

>>513682321
> flawed and unworkable
Hardly. Only in the strictest sense is its cause and effect theories flawed. We are witnessing it in our lifetime. I think the bigger issues are forcing it, like forcing evolution to take place. Evidence is the USSR, and I believe Chinas half capitalist setting up until the last decade or so, was a correction and lesson learned from where the USSR failed. Will it be enough? Idk and that's the flaw with its dialectics, but you can still witness the trends go towards communism as capitalism accelerates.

>>513681106 (OP)
Okay, Jew.

>>513681106 (OP)
>Shoebox to live in,
>Shitty Russian food.
>Meaningless job at a tractor factory

>>513682905
Too dumb to be worth further engagement. Good luck with whatever you think you know lol.

>>513682579
> thats not REAL communism!
Yea? And America is not REAL capitalism. But like, America is the face of capitalism, China is the face of communism.

>>513681106 (OP)
Under the prison ward's rule you're guaranteed a commieblock apartment, food, and a job.

You can live Communism right now, anon.

>>513682869
communism believes in state control of means of production, but the dichotomy between socialism and capitalism is about democracy, but its democracy applied to the economy.

So you don't just elect your political leaders you elect ANYONE leading you, including bosses and union head. capitalist countries are broadly still democratic, but very few of them have prosperous worker cooperative sectors which would be socialism.

>>513682863
if i got on a 20 year waiting list for an apartment at 18 i'd have one by now. as opposed to the reality i have now which is that i'll never be able to afford my own place and will be paying rent until i die. i dont like communism but i felt compelled to argue this anyways.

>>513681106 (OP)
retard, there will still be an elite ruling class.

>>513681106 (OP)
both systems are jewish

>>513682995
america is capitalism with elements of deep state communism yes

>>513681106 (OP)
>under communism you're offered a pod and food
>under capitalism you're offered a pod and food
>under both you're be working
>but communism is better
Both systems objectively suck and are for materialistic cunts who obsess over numbers and fantastic party programs.

>>513681382
>>Engineered goyslop
American problem not a capitalist problem. Most of Europe, South Korea, and Japan eats healthy while having capitalist economies so what's your excuse.
>>Choose between Walmart of McDonald's
>>Do you want healthcare or not?
American problem
>>At home because you can't afford to move out
This is the only valid point that isn't exclusively an American problem, but the alternative is having no choice but to live in a squalid shitty commie block that is hastily built to house people like they're nothing more than soulless labor units. The current housing crisis would have never happened if neoliberal governments did mass-import immigrants to suppress wages and inflate housing prices.

>>513683095
>I want to decry the jews for keeping too much money and for giving away too much money

>>513683138
>children literally cannot set up a lemonaid stand without a government permit
>this is a free market capitalist system

>>513682959
Dialectics? As in Hegel dialectics? As is thesis, anti-thesis, creating theories and testing them to make predictions? You brought it up! The critique of marx/engels dialectics is over its assumptions societies follow a feudal to industrail to capitalst to communist predictive path?

Americans, don't choose socialism over capitalism. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

We're not fully socialist but still very much. Here the more you earn, the more they tax you. Also, if you decide to do overtime at work they tax you 30% more of that extra work on top of the regular income tax. So, no matter how hard you try to better your life and living conditions, the more the state will start to rob you. I can't imagine anyone who thinks this is a good idea besides if you work for the state and the government.

>>513681106 (OP)
US has been the most socialist country that ever existed in the history of the world and you killed it. You deserve Trump.

>>513683095
Okay so is China more capitalist then America? Is that what your saying?? Hmm ?? Come on speak up??

>>513682630
>America alone has slaughtered significantly more than this artificially inflated number.

Which "America"? North? Latin? South? Just say the US if that it what your smooth brain means. Also, you know as well as I do that all nations and systems sacrifice the weak and poor to enrich the powerful. I like capitalism because it give the lemur a chance to be a lion if they play their cards right.

>>513683293
>I had to google it to participate in the discussion
lol, lmao. Yeah I fucking knew you had no clue what you were talking about

>>513682395
Self-proclaimed anarcho commies are totally fucking retarded. At least the tankies are self-aware enough to know that their "utopian" ideal is impossible without an extreme autocratic state forcing it on people at gunpoint.

>>513683216
all the major corporations are part of a world government with all our major politicians by way of the world economic forum where they all meet annually and have closed door meetings and decide policy.

the state controlling the capital, or the capital controlling the state. its a bit of both. hence im calling it capitalism with elements of deep state communism.

its a big all powerful centralized government with total control over the state and capital either way. just took different steps to get there.

>>513682869
its really just an ideology of jealous retards that want to enslave people who are smarter than them.

question for commies: if youre so smart (smart enough to figure out a better way to organize national labor and capital), then why arent you rich?

(hint: its because youre fucking stupid)

>>513682212
peronismo, zero jewish

>>513682820
fuck off retard, you know nothing about communism.

t. descendant of cubans

>>513683373
capitalism and communism both suck

>>513681106 (OP)
>guaranteed
Wrong. Had to buy those. And often had shortages. You got to wage slave in a state owned shitty work, that was so miss-managed, they couldnt produce enough of the aforementioned goods. Also, only sundays being free of work.
True workers heaven

>>513683295
In america its not uncommon work a fulltime job to be live out of your car.

>>513683514
true

>>513683415
Was going to say the same to you.

GET THIS COMMUNIST SHIT OUT OF HERE RAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHH

>>513683138
>constantly use inflation and taxes to rob the productive workers of their hard-earned wealth and redistribute it to black single mothers and illegal immigrants
>blame capitalism

>>513683555
Yes it is you lying retard

>>513681106 (OP)
>Under communism you're guaranteed a commieblock apartment, food, and a job.

This is exactly globohomo agenda you just described

Live in a small confined space, work till you die, eat shit in between and can’t refuse the mandatory vaccination.

>>513683589
>no u
See>>513682959

>>513683437
no one has total control over everything or you'd already be a slave by now. the system is always more complex. Most major brands and policy makers meet up at the WEF but it's not like they don't have other meetings. The landscape is constantly shifting and all sides are never aligned in agreement about what to do with what they all collectively control. we are just monkeys and were all governed only by our carnal urges and vague notions of conscience.

that being said I'm sorry I mistook you for an antisemite, you never know on here.

why doesn't someone come up with a new system? don't make me do it, i'm kind of retarded. but i refuse to accept we only have 2 options

>>513683641
This. US was the most socialist country in the world and socialists murdered it for their lies.

>>513681106 (OP)
I hate capitalists more than kikes these days bros

>>513683514
Im going to bed. Every conversation here about le communism ends this way were any statements get drawn out into the same tired ends, and all direct questions never get answered, then McRetards go off like they won some argument.

>>513681306
Here: A rough demographic map of Germany. The Eastern half was communist.

>>513683673
line up for rations, get your power turned off at an expected time (or randomly). No internet unless you go to a public park. Increased police presence, no freedom of speech (criticize the government and get disappeared, thrown off a cliff and into the ocean, criticize government and even your family will pay the price).

>>513683825
Should google irony and projection before you do though. Goodnight retard

>>513683655
Lose the memflag. Its absolutely not uncommon you out of touch faggot

Fuck Niggel Castro, Fuck Nigger Barra, Fuck Raul Nigger Castro, etc

>>513683834
This is a modern demographic map.

Truthfully, Marx didn’t acknowledge niggers. They would have been considered Lumpenproletarian.

>>513683891
>keeps using words incorrectly
It seems to be a real problem with you

>>513683686
you presented no arguments. This has become the consistent end result of every thread on /pol/ related to communism.

>>513683709
yes they have other meetings at bilderburg and davos and others. point is government and major corporations are constantly having closed door international meetings. it would be illegal to decide public policy at such meetings so they claim they're not doing that. but i don't believe it. curious how these meetings are never leaked for such an allegedly complex system where they allegedly are never aligned in agreement. theyre all on board with whatever is being decided over there. i think they're a lot more in cahoots than you give them credit for.

There is all kinds of stuff that none of you know.

>>513683965
Go to bed, faggot.

There are two types of communist that exist in western countries like the US. You have the sovietboo (only exist online and are a small minority), and woke progressive communists (their utopian vision is a crippled tranny nigger infested world where white people no longer exist).

OP I believe is a Sovietboo and is most like some shade of brown.

>>513683965
Good night retard. Hope you have a comfortable car to sleep in

>>513683955
>>513683871
I hate jeets so fucking much, but I also know you are the result of capitalists, so I hate them more and more by posting here.

>>513684080
You stayed up too late and now you're cranky. Nighty night

>>513683719
well what are the two options then? wouldn't it be helpful to at least know what were starting with?

I define the capitalism-communism political divide as an issue of hierarchy within the economic system.

under capitalism, workers (the proletariat) sell their labor to the owning class (bourgeoisie) at a market rate often defined by a government in our increasingly leftist world. for a very long time under capitalism, we have laissez faire capitalism which resulted in horrific working conditions and wage slavery that was really more akin to chattel slavery than modern-day office workers. increasingly we have a system where the government impedes on the rights of both workers and corporations, in some ways to protect a basic standard of living for workers, and in others to protect the bourgeois society from radical change or individuality.

under communism you have complete decentralization of the means of production where everything is owned communally and either a government distributes it, or in smaller pre-feudal societies, clan members divide it.

>>513684080
jew

>>513683825
>Okay so is China more capitalist then America? Is that what your saying?? Hmm ?? Come on speak up??
is what you said. because you were trying to line me up into saying america is capitalist and china is communism. to erase the nuance of my argument that americas capitalism has elements of communism and chinas communism has elements of capitalism. you got angry that instead of playing your game i just said communism and capitalism both suck. you wanted your little gotcha moment where you could, like mcretard you are, go off like you won the argument. you didnt get that so now youre going to rage quit

Whatever:

The current Russian administration is not communist, although communism is still represented quite well among older demographics.

Do these oldheads know about Jews? Almost certainly.

Why is historical revisionism banned in Russia?

Because, according to Russian history Slavic people are centered as the primary victims of German aggression. Is this true? Yes, it is.

>>513684008
oh dude this stuff gets leaked all the time and whenever you get behind the scenes footage of how businesses or governments are run its always horrific, controlling, and underestimating the capabilities of the masses and the need for them to be controlled. but every business and government is programed with the same expansionist fundamental mindset that says they have to be at the head of things that ultimately always puts these larger projects in jeopardy. Humans are still humans, and we are way too arrogant, stupid, malicious, vengeful, and incompetent to ever achieve on so grand a scale.

>>513684187
no both are fully capitalist and have been so since at least the 1970s if not the 1770s.

>>513681106 (OP)
You're guaranteed slavery in an ugly, inescapable depressing hovel and literal factory slop. The US has always been a better place to live than the USSR, even if it does suck. There is a third way.

In short: Communism is less bad than Capitalism.

Why?

Capitalism—at its core— is anti-racialist. In other words, All anti-racialists can be capitalists, and all Capitalist systems will at least feel immense pressure to become anti-racialist.

Communism *may* have anti-racialists among its ranks, but communism itself does not directly pressure racialists to become anti-racialists.

Capitalism chases after profits and chases out EVERYTHING else.

“I don’t care about your skin color, I just want your money, and while you’re at it, I want your kids money, too.”

That is the logic of psychopaths like Jeff Bezos.

>>513684156
a lot of the time the corporations lobby the government for regulations that restrict their competition and enforce monopolies. dont forget that. not very capitalist of them. the big corporations in bed with the government one way or another with modern capitalism or communism.

and communism never played out in real life like it did on paper. same as capitalism. you dont get communal ownership of the means of production, you get state ownership of the means of production, and you dont control the state under communism or capitalism because the democratic process is easy to rig and corrupt with little to no safeguards because everyone wants to pretend that if we only voted for their guy it would solve everything, but it never does because the parties are corrupted. in communism you only have to corrupt one party not two or three but same bullshit.

>>513681106 (OP)
Both are just Jews sucking their host dry.

>>513684278
ok show me one leak of a closed door meeting between corporations and heads of state at the world economic forum, bilderburg, or davos.

It’s pretty fucking simple. Donald Trump gets phone calls from farmers who complain about losing their Mexican labor force. If enough of them complain about lost profits, you know who wins that battle.

>>513681880
Are you retarded or something? Seriously asking

>>513684576
i dont care about winning an argument here by the way i just want to see this for myself

>>513684548
Except that Jews were purged from Soviet leadership c. 1935.

We’ve been over this.

>>513684043

>>513684468
there are a billion historical examples of capitalists preying off a populations racial and social divisions to further exploit them. Racism is very rarely antithetical to profits

>>513684524
so it sounds like what you want is a system where both the state AND THE CORPORATIONS are run democratically by and for the people? no? sounds like you want exactly the brand of progressive, new-left socialism that's inspired a resurgence in union popularity, and the start of new cooperatives and worker collective farms and businesses.

>>513681106 (OP)
the purpose of a system is what it does, and communism simply redistributes power to government offices and the lazy bureaucrat karens working there. the result is a horribly inefficient system at best and a genocidal jewish terror state (early USSR) at worst.

capitalism is far from perfect but at least capitalists don't mind winning the proletariat over with promises of middle class stability to thwart power tripping bureaucrats (real life equivalent to reddit mods)

>>513684669
That is a very misguided reading of what Capitalists did in the 20th century.

When Catholic workers began to unionize, Protestant ethnics were bussed in to undercut them.

When the natural conflict ensued, some faggot like you shouts: “THEY’RE JUST TRYING TO DIVIDE US MAAAAN!”

Go jump off a bridge.

>>513684669
Contrary to what many of my peers think, YOU will be the first one to get a bullet.

>>513684576
well I didn't mean at these specifically, but lots of shareholder reports and privately collected data and information done by governments and private companies is available, most frequently through court battles that force the publication of certain evidence.

>>513684811
well obviously all the best examples don't come from petty squabbles between religions that had died down from the genocidal pogroms of the dark ages into the handful of racist drunken bar fights and maybe a hate crime or two annually.

no I'm talking about ethnic tensions directly in the colonies, where they werent subject to legislative oversight or restriction, and where there were much more diverse backgrounds with a much larger incentive to exploit them.

>>513683514
heil hitler

>>513684908
and we'll be lynching you anyway now skinhead :)

communism is when billionaire globalists run your entire economy into the ground by offshoring your jobs to foreigners and then flooding your country with those same foreigners to replace you when you finally own nothing and your bloodline expires gracelessly in an alleyway from a fentanyl overdose. You should be thankful that you have freedom and don’t live under such a system.

No, under communism you got a bunk-bed spot in your collective farmers barrack. Also you did not get paid or got food, instead you got workdays, a piece of paper you could exange for very small amount of limited food items and nothing else. No work - no food for you.

>>513685136
>flag
holy based

>>513684788
i don't know what i want all i know is everything tried so far has sucked. so i want something new. and the democratic process never seems to work as advertised, but its not like i want a dictator either.

>>513685150
> communism is when billionaire globalists run your entire economy into the ground by offshoring your jobs to foreigners and then flooding your country with those same foreigners to replace you when you finally own nothing and your bloodline expires gracelessly in an alleyway from a fentanyl overdose

That's plutocracy, not communism. Communism is when you don't own your labour and apathy takes over on generational level resulting in degradation of society.

>>513685251
grovel to your ethnic superior in the sycophantic death cult you proscribe to you mutt faggot.

>>513685346
>mutt faggot
lol wait communiggers are adopting our fascist rhetoric now? it seems you have already LOST bigly. take your own advice and kill yourself punk ass nigger

>>513685259
the key is consent, there needs to be some amount of consent of the governed. the only thing that's never been tried is really just a libertarian/anarchist view of abolishing corporations in favor of democratic collectives that still buy and sell their products on a market to allow people the freest and highest quality of life. we need to maximize competition and eliminate monopolistic practices through the destruction of "hustle" or "grind" culture. We should return science to the government to be run for sciences sake, along ethical grounds. And any major corporations or significant people who flaunt these laws should be sentenced or nationalized and executed or sold for parts.

and most importantly the government needs to reveal 100% of what its doing right up to immediate troop deployments, experimental technology, and nuclear launch codes. MAXIMIZE transparency and declassify EVERY document older than a decade AUTOMATICALLY.

regain and maintain trust and consent from the American people and you'll establish a stable, functioning, happy, and prosperous society that works to help all of its own and has enough left over to help those around the globe 10x what we do now.

>>513682287
which is?

>>513685443
Id say as a mostly white gay man, that yea I'm a proud mutt faggot.

and you should be too, because when someone wants to shit on me for being who I was born as genetically, and which I had no choice or decision in, I actually stand up for myself.

You are the only thing worse than a bully, youre a coward.

>communigger suddenly admits to sucking dick like a hoe
LOL of course. wouldn't be a communigger if not for their bourgeoisie surrogate activities

>>513685905
Bourgeoisie surrogate?

>>513683501
>>513682820
none of you know anything about real communism, Hungary and Cuba were propped up by the Soviet Union, Romania and Yugoslavia were isolated and had to hustle trough everything on their own, that's where real communism can be seen in action.

>>513686037
being gay is incompatible with communism. you're guided by cheap pleasures and instant gratification like a greedy billionaire. you're no different and you certainly don't represent the average worker

now kill yourself class traitor

>>513682433
China since 1978 is not a socialist planned economy, Deng reformed it into Capitalism with hardcore credit widow guidance of credit and direct involvement in businesses, mainly having an overruling vote over anything they want but usually they leave them alone.

They also have no social safety nets, there's no pension in China, it's up to you how you live at your old age, there's hardly any inflation so even saving money up offers a buffer.

>>513685718
i don't give a shit if yau have some spic mixed in. it is wtat it is. if you don't baheve like a nigger, ie donat have the character of one, you could get a pass.
the crime of racemixing is your forebearers, not yours.

the faggotry however is unforgiveable you degenerate reprobate.
go gas yourself.

>>513682395
Communism is a stateless and classless society you retarded nigger.

>>513682236
Socialism was imposed over Hungary and Czechoslovakia who were maximally capitalist, let's not even bring up Eastern Germany.

>>513681106 (OP)
Commie, one “capitalist” country is worth 10 commie shitholes. That’s just pure raw power. That’s economy, military, social, etc in terms of literal worth of human capital.

>>513681106 (OP)
>Under communism you're guaranteed a commieblock apartment, food, and a job.
My job will be Commissar, so I can kill leftist revolutionary scum like you. Legally.

>>513686269
i should laugh or type not both.
the shake made the text look fine lmao.

>>513681106 (OP)
>Under communism you're guaranteed a commieblock apartment
No, you're guaranteed the privilege of being put on a waiting list for one. It's only a 10-year wait, don't worry!
>food
Sure. Just get in the line and wait 3 days to get your monthly ration of 2 loafs of bread, some sugar, and one bowl of lukewarm buckwheat soup. Hopefully this month they're not out of sugar, buckwheat, and you get more than a half loaf of bread.
>and a job
Yeah, now get down in that coal mine and work 100 hrs (minimum) 7 days a week (with no safety equipment) for your 2 loafs of bread you need to stand in line for 3 days to get (if they're not all out by the time you get to the front), and your commieblock apartment (sorry, comrade, demand is much higher than supply, so, you'll be put on a waiting list to get one. Don't worry, wait is only 10 years, and you'll be the first to get one when it's available.).

>>513686393
nothing is more communist than killing your useful idiots after seizing power. you've got the right idea

>>513681106 (OP)
Fuck off. Name a communism that appears organically in nature and maybe I'll consider it

yeah muh socialism, the socialist half of yurop took megaloans from the IMF in the early 70s to build commiblocks and megafactories. Products are low-mid quality goods based on copy-cat western market. Prices set from SEARS catalog.
Oil crisis and inflation kicks in. Suddenly the interest on the loans forces countries to export their way out. No more investment in factories. Quality degrades, people starve. You get shot by firing squad.
the end.

>>513681393
>that thing that didn't exist in 1989 is what destroyed things

>>513683834
You mean the same E. Germany that had to get food from Europe and the US to not starve to death? Same for the USSR. If not for the US food rations, they would've starved to death because communism was just so great and caring of their citizens.

>>513681106 (OP)
>Under communism you're guaranteed a commieblock apartment
Where did you hear this horseshit? In actual commieblock land, "Mother Russia", no one was guaranteed their own commieblock apartment. Sometimes 2 or 3 families would all have to share a one or two bedroom apartment. Sleeping on the floor, fucking hotbunking it. There were no guarantees, if you didn't like it and complained, off to the fucking Siberian gulag, you dumb fucking zoomer faggot. Your job might be shoveling shit for a few kopeks per week which wasn't enough to buy the food you claim is guaranteed. Make that crust of bread last all month, even while they work you to death.

>>513681106 (OP)
Abandon all hope ye who enter here.

>>513685604
ok but how do we get such an honest and transparent government? how is that enforced?

>>513686308
funny then how it never works out that way. whats your plan to make it that way?

>>513686216
ok in defense of Che, he did later renounce homophobia and accept gay people as part of the revolution.

also none of these men were doing anything the colonial powers of Europe and America werent at that time. during Marx's time you could be executed for being gay and I don't think any of them except Castro (who has also renounced homophobia and taken blame for the gays sent to prison camps in Cuba) lived to see mainstream gay acceptance and legal protection by any government.

but more importantly, go be.a capitalist if youre homophobic because guess who's funding mainstream gay denunciation.

>>513686492
Tribal society.

>>513686269
Oh no, the crime of race mixing will definitely be mine.

>>513686683
> but more importantly, go be.a capitalist if youre homophobic because guess who's funding mainstream gay denunciation.

Right, because China, Iran and Russia are all so accepting if gays and western “capitalism”.

>>513686234
>They also have no social safety nets

A quick google search proves you wrong.

>>513686611
I've always theorized of some direct communal branch of government with a large sample of randomly chosen voters who would decide on something like that. but I ultimately don't know if there's anyway to enforce that in a modern day society on the scale needed before making a lot of immediate changes.

>>513686801
Go in depth and actually research the topic.

>>513683138
>both systems end up involving jews implementing these systems against (you) for their own benefit
Damn

>>513686765
because china Iran and russia are communist?

apparently?

>>513681106 (OP)
>has a class warfare platform
>”down with the upper class!”
>forms the Vanguard, the new upper class

Commies are far dumber than South Africans in this aspect. They still suck Castro’s dick despite Castro being from a nice, rich family lmao.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/keithflamer/2016/11/26/10-surprises-about-castros-extravagant-life/

>>513685693
absolute freedom from the kikes

>>513686935
no, if anyone leftists suck ches dick, but he was based he deserves it.

>>513686879
Hey, retard, in China, you can’t be a major corporation worth over a million without having a CCP representative in your board of directors btw, you can imagine Russian government has the same party line lmao.

>>513686683
lol oh, so now we're now pretending capitalists weren't peddling gay shit in their gay marketing campasigns. we're pretending gopniks in eastern bloc countries won't bash your head in for being gay

what level of COPE are we on now, communigger? now i hope the secret police bash your faggot ass brains out for being a useful idiot

>>513686828
a branch of government composed of randomly chosen people, who will then vote, on whether the government is being transparent enough or if they need to be replaced? interesting idea. am i understanding this correctly? its a new idea to me, interesting mechanism.

>>513681106 (OP)
Selling my soul for some basic necessities would make a man gay, and I’m not a faggot like you, OP.

>>513687004
1. no, russia and Iran do not have that "party line" economy wide, china is special in that regard.
2. China has downgraded significantly from what it used to be which was 100% state ownership of the government to having a guy at boardroom meetings.
3. I would still absolutely call china capitalist because of how much foreign business it lets dominate its markets, how much wealth inequality it allows, and how little decision making power any of its workers actually have in their working condition or everyday life.

>>513687029
lol marketing is peddling to the masses. they were only "controlled" by the culture of the people. that's not the decision of capitalism as much as it is the markets or culture of the people, I would argue capitalism has historically benefitted a lot more from remaining divided sexually, but I'm no expert.

also yea yr more likely to get yr head bashed in with a rainbow flag in like, Arkansas than you are in most of like, China for example. Gays were relatively accepted, or at least not prosecuted during the Soviet Union. again, certainly not out of place for the time period. and after it ended it got much worse as russia became the capitalist theocracy it is today.

>>513687078
yea there is some historical precedent, like romans choosing random people from. districts to serve in the senate. or even today there are a lot of localities testing the idea of, like in Ireland constitutional amendments are put to a vote between a group of a few hundred representative people after a few days of deliberation.

>>513686681
funny how Americans and Europeans have spend trillions and funded terrorism and drug cartels to make it not happen on other countries.

>>513687199
1.Oh so corporations and CEO’s can go against national policies? Pro tip: No. example, Russia has nationalized a good chunk of their private businesses to help fund their war economy and you’d best believe most of those companies are forced to sell at a loss because the Russian law says so.
2.”Downgraded”? They went from shithole to half capitalist thanks to Deng who decided to literally ignore communism as an economy but not as a political tool. So this “one guy” at the board of directors has the authority to remove you from your company for any reason.
3.You can’t own stocks in China, at all. You own nothing but stocks to a shell company. You can’t own land, you can’t own your internet, your farm, etc.

>>513687167
You sold your soul for that dollar bill you smooth brained fucking faggot

>>513687385
ah, sortition. yes, the romans did that
>>Most Athenians believed sortition, not elections, to be democratic[13][page needed] and used complex procedures with purpose-built allotment machines (kleroteria) to avoid the corrupt practices used by oligarchs to buy their way into office.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition

>>513687401
based Nepali.
the west has literally hollowed out and destroyed almost every other country as much as they were able to. they still hold literal slaves today.

corporations like fucking McDonalds even have American slaves on American soil.

>>513681106 (OP)
>commieblock apartment
Literally rather die than live urban
>food
Have enough for many but its all for my family fuck off
>job
Have one

>>513687324
capitalists just want your money. they don't give a fuck if you're gay, a nigger, or a bloodthirsty alien

if you've got money they'll pander to you, and fags have money and love to spend that shit because they're not raising families. all they do is consoom at the expense of everyone else. that's why capitalists are happy to slap fagflags everywhere

>>513687474
there's just a unique cruelty money inspires in people that we've let manifest and run rampant too long. We have the ability to make a just society with the rich and the poor that's still comfortable and acceptable for everyone.

>>513681106 (OP)
I can buy a commieblock for 10,000-20,000€ in some bumhole. Even in commie times the zogbots had the better stuff. Like the ability to buy a car lmao. They also gave you "fuel stamps" to limit how much you can buy fuel. Its total shit and you should kys

>>513687401
my question wasn't just to ask what you think went wrong, it was how you plan on preventing the problem. you will never get a truly classless and stateless society if there is no answer. you'll just make another attempt and get the same failed results you have gotten historically.

>>513686725
>one person on top gets everything and everyone else gets scraps
Yeah actually.

>>513687535
but among the lower class proletariat who sell their labor and have little economic power, who I would argue make up almost half the American population at this stage in our country, they will gladly stoke as much hatred and homophobic division as they can because culture wars keep you hating faggots instead of the cops or the capitalists.

>>513687593
it's not money, it's power. money is just one form of power. power and control are addictive, it has the same effect on the brain as cocaine, that's been studied with mri. and like any addiction you develop a tolerance and need more and more to get your fix. which in power junkies trends towards increasingly draconian measures. until overdose is achieved and the junkies system collapses.

>>513687649
his point is that it needs to start with the capitalists on top, which it never will. in a capitalist society you only gain at the will of someone with more than you until you play your cards right to end up on top.

but no Bezos, Rockefeller, or bush ever got where they were by anything but immoral action and a whole lot of luck. they don't earn shit and never let anyone tell you they do.

>>513687593
>just society
There's a reason why this never has and will never happen

>>513687764
well money is its own unique form of status. you can hold any job in the government or rank in the military, but you also always have a net worth.

your title confers some status, but your wealth is the deciding factor in much of your actual power.

>>513681106 (OP)
>guaranteed a commieblock
You are guaranteed to be in line for a commie block receiving one is not guaranteed

>>513687828
because the powerful are by default immoral and don't deserve their wealth and would rather enslave and kill you than ever give up their fortunes.

>>513687878
there are things you can do with control over the state that money can't buy you. elon musk doesn't have the power to control our lives, he can't walk into a room and decide who lives and who dies. stalin had that kind of power.

Here here OP

Now if we can only find a fine upstanding leader like this to run america, he'd fix that shithole but good in one generation.

>>513687956
true but the powerful are always going to be like that in any system. this isnt something communism or capitalism actually solves.

>>513687956
Oh no baby, that's the thing, everyone is immoral, and people will always be the problem. I've seen family's tear eachother apart for grandma's furniture, you dont understand how little it takes to corrupt. No difference from top to bottom, the amount means nothing. Just human nature.

>>513687982
Elon Musk could 1000% kill some random guy for fun and get away with it.

>>513688052
so we have to have as much democratic control as possible and a vigilant populace to keep them in check

I'm frankly for compulsory voting

>>513688072
so could anyone if you don't get caught. but if he got caught doing it, he could hire the best lawyers and for sure the wealthy get weaker punishments, but i still don't think he'd get away with it. stalin didn't have to defend himself in court or worry about getting arrested. stalin had power that money alone cant buy is my point.

>>513688067
well a state run on nihilism is just a death cult

>>513687691
>gays are... le scapegoats of the system
we've heard it before, but you're not. people hate you for many the same reasons they hate cops and capitalists. you exist at the expense of ordinary people trying to make a living and raise families. it's really that simple

>>513688185
All states are death cults as they are all destined to die.

>>513688125
ok but who are you voting for? the puppet on the left or the puppet on the right? and why would forcing people who don't care enough to vote and likely don't care enough to know what the fucks going on going to fix anything? voting should be made harder not easier if anything.

>>513688181
well is Stalin himself shot a man in broad daylight in st Petersburg square, he'd probably get quite a lot of pushback from it, but that's not how he did it, nor would it be how musk does it. you hire kidnappers or assassins.

>>513682433
>They went from third world to main competition with the worlds leading superpower.
You man after the US and UK gave them everything they had technology wise, built their productions plants for them, taught them how to build things and run the plants, gave them IP for said plants, gave them billions and billions of USD in aid, gave them food so they didn't starve to death, etc. during WWII, and what did they do with it? Slowly destroy and waste away all the benefits the US and UK gave them during WWII until they completely collapsed in less than 50 years afterwords. All the while the US and UK Capitalist countries continued to grow, make world changing technology, and still be here 80 years later better than ever.
>Then stagnated and died.
You mean destroyed all the benefits the US and UK, AKA Capitalism, gave them through share stupidity and corruption?
1/2

>>513688215
no I just exist along a bunch of people who act surprised when they learn I have a boyfriend.

we don't act different because we aren't any different. for every flamboyant gay there's a guy so straight it makes your eyes bleed, and everything in between.

don't base anything, let alone your political beliefs on stereotypes. I wasn't even the first one to use "oh, baby" in this thread.

>>513688242
not necessarily. impermanence isn't guaranteed.

>>513688264
registered independent.
cornel west for president.

>>513681106 (OP)
Lets not forget how communism opposed Rome and even tried to assassinate the Pope so my Grandma would never get to heaven.

>>513688288
ok true. but you're missing the forest for the trees here. i'm just trying to say that there are forms of power and control beyond money. if you or i became a billionaire overnight we would just have the money but none of the influence or connections required to change public policy or manipulate the state to the same degree as established insiders. and if we went up against the agenda of said insiders we would be stripped of our wealth or our lives even if we had more money then all of them combined. and dont become hyperfixated looking for loopholes in this example either. im just trying to make a broader point here that money is just a form of power and the wider issue is with anyone powerful period will become addicted and corrupted by that power, not just wealth.

>>513681106 (OP)
>puts you in a commieblock full of niggers
Gee thanks communism

>>513688422
It's literally the only thing that's guaranteed. That's besides the point the state of The State doesn't matter because whatever state you are in would remain the same, as the state of those around you would also be the same, regardless of the system. Because people are people and they can't be anything else, and no matter how much money or comfort you give them, rich or poor, that's not what determines their outcome.

>>513688534
right but I'm saying if Elon musk was the leader of the USSR or if Stalin was a billionaire...

well I really think they could just shoot whoever wherever whenever for any reason and then shoot someone just for witnessing it until people keep walking. that amount of power and influence extends obscenely far.

>>513688381
>China applied similar philosophy and again, a nation went from wide spread poverty to main competition with the worlds super power in extremely short period of time.
China didn't do shit but be given the same help from the US, AKA Capitalism, in the '70s in the hopes that helping them not be a complete poor shithole like all Communist countries are would turn them into US allies and get them away from being USSR's butt buddies. The US sent countless teachers over to teach the chinks, built their schools and universities, gave them access to our education institutions and all their knowledge. Sent people over to help chinks build their industrial sector, along with money to do it, and guaranteed business to help it have customers, income, and growth. All through the 80s and early 90s gave them technologies to help make a functioning rocket able to go to space, along with other technologies. Allowed their people to learn at our universities and take that knowledge and technologies learned and produced there back to their shithole. Then Deng had to make chiner more Capitalistic to actually become a functioning country with a growing economy, with the help of the US giving them their production sector, business, IP, and technologies to grow their production sector, etc. Chiner's growth had little to do with Communism, and all to do with Capitalistic US - and Europe to an extent - giving chiner everything to make it into what it is today. And Xi is doing everything in his power to reverse all that wonderful Capitalistic help the US and Europe so graciously gave them. Just as the USSR did, and collapsed because of it. Communism has never, ever produced a functioning society without the help of Capitalistic countries
2/3

>>513688662
>Two different cultures, two different races, similar starts, similar results.
Yeah, getting everything that made them grow economically and technologically from Capitalistic countries giving it to them. Communism did nothing for them but make them slaves to a totalitarian few in the government. Capitalism gave them prosperity.
>Their differences and how china ends up, will be very interesting to study.
Chiner is heading down the same path that the USSR did: HUGE expensive military build up with the majority of their civilian population being extremely poor (60% of chinks make less than $3 per day and live in extreme poverty), their economy is stagnating (it has barely grown since covid, and all the GDP figures since forever are made up bullshit fake numbers posted just to appease the CCP Politburo), turning more and more into a totalitarian shithole, etc. Communism does nothing but destroy, and Capitalism does nothing but improve.
3/3

>>513681880
Cope ignorant leftypol tankie troon.

>>513682884
trvke

>>513688620
yes it is. the outcome is only the record of what happened. doing politics to make peoples lives better and try to alleviate suffering for the most people is the only reason to do it.

we as a society and as a species have advanced so unbelievably far and were doing it at an exponential pace. I see absolutely no reason why we shouldn't have another major morality switch in terms of transparency, economic equality, and sustainability for everyone.

>>513688662
I would hate fuck her

>>513681106 (OP)

> Under communism you're guaranteed food...

You are a commie retard OP. Even the Chinese Communist Party admits 15 million death of famine during the great leap forward. The real number is 44 million.

Famine and communism go together like capitalism and greed.

>>513688388
you're doing more than just trying to exist, you yourself are scapegoating anyone and everyone you can whenever it's convenient because you think it'll get people off your back for being gay. it won't. continue scapegoating billionaires thinking you're safe from communigger NKVD thugs putting you in a mass grave for whatever reason they want

>>513682454
Get real. kikes LOVE Communism, and why shouldn't they, they created it and are trying to turn every country into a Communist hellhole run by kikes who will be the only ones benefiting from the fruits of your labor. Time to slither your retarded ass back to leftypol with the rest of the low IQ genetic failures.

>>513688809
You're not. You're doing politics to shape the world as you see fit. Same as those rich people you hate, same as everyone else since time began. Put whatever fancy dress on it you want, many have suffered for someone else's good idea. Or do you think you can institute a whole new government without violence and strife? You cant, you've already admitted half the country is against you. Violence would be required as it always has been, and you say we've advanced, more efficient killers maybe, not much else.

>>513681106 (OP)
Under communism your entire ethnicity is being genocided for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
I spit on stalin.

>>513688995
I'm not scapegoating, I'm diagnosing the problem.

The second I see homophobia rise in leftist circles I call it out, but they aren't really the problem. I don't know what rock youre living under you stupid piece of shit, but they're already discussing overturning obergefell v Hodges and they sure werent doing that shit with supposedly communist Biden in office. Know your place, swine.

>>513689114
well Ill believe you when you can come at one of my arguments so far with an actual response.

>>513682820
>t. Hungarian born under Communism.
That ran to a Capitalistic country the first chance you got, or your parents did to escape Communism and shat your pathetic as out so it could leech off a Capitalistic country, while exclaiming the greatness of Communism. KEK. What a pathetic fucking worm you are.

>>513689233
You haven't made an argument just regular impossible utopian nonsense.

>>513683037
>if i got on a 20 year waiting list for an apartment at 18 i'd have one by now.
If you got a job and worked for 20 years saving for a house, you'd have one by now, but, I guess complaining online about muh ebil Capitalism for 20 years in your parent's basement while being a loser NEET was too important.

>>513689291
raise taxes on those making above $1 million to 75%. Demand tax havens shut down and pack the Supreme Court until they expand our jurisdiction to tax companies stashing things in offshore accounts and demand all products sold in America meet our labor standards. Nationalize corporations that repeatedly offend instead of giving them slap on the wrist fines and sell them for parts to their competitors. Viciously break up monopolies. Guarantee healthcare. and zone for low-cost affordable homes.

>>513689183
your problem is that people call you a faggot. you're chimping out trying to overthrow a system that benefits you disproportionately but you stubbornly refuse to see it that way because people called you a faggot back in high school and that traumatized you. no amount of communigger C.O.P.E. is going to fix that problem of yours. your best bet is to simply stop being a faggot

>>513689503
Ok, so what are you gonna do when most CEO’s sell everything off, companies, collapse, jobs disappear by the millions, job displacement reaches in the hundreds of millions, all assets moved overseas and no money left in the bank?

You don’t have to answer, we have a couple of countries who tried it and we can learn from them.

>>513689377
yeah i would just need to set aside $4000 every month for 20 years!

>>513689503
Okay, but half the population hates communists and is telling you to go fuck yourself because youre a fag and rioting how are you going to handle your advanced society then? Or do you think 100% of the population is just going to bend over and let you do what you want in sync?

Why is there a human urge to crowd together and make a mass system?

>>513689720
Humans are naturally social creatures and larger communities have better chance of survival than smaller communities, which encourage larger tribes eventually, you massive autist.

>>513689631
no dude, America is the biggest market in the world. They have to play by our rules and the faster we start creating a more united NATO and stronger alliances with everyone the more easily we will implement this plan.

the best part about America is the ridiculous amount of wealth in the peoples hands. no company can just switch off their American production, storage and distribution, not with how integrated they are.

If billionaires are literally willing to go to war over paying their workers a living wage and subsidizing social service then we will break out the guillotines, seize everything, and start production from the ground up. It'll scare off investment but the largest investor in America right now is BY FAR the government already.

>>513689677
yes the majority of people don't have enough to eat and can't afford medication.

you establish a system like other countries have that gives them reliable healthcare and a decent wage with benefits and frankly, I don't see smart people ever unable to successfully denounce anyone saying "yea but wasn't it better before?"

It's so funny how nobody remembers the core mantra of communism.
It has nothing to do with commie blocks, central government, planned economies or even the market.
In the end, communism is about ONE THING:
who owns the means of production?
Communism say the worker worker the machine should have a say.
I say that's fair.
Everything else is Extrapolation by cronies and power hungry politicians and decades worth of Western propaganda.
Almost nobody in the west has any idea about core communist theories and all they associate with the word is what their big state propaganda told them to believe.
SAD!

>>513681106 (OP)
If the system guarantees safety and security, you'll quickly find that people stop contributing to it.

>>513683555
Proof? I've never seen someone that wasn't a loser or druggy by CHOICE living in their car. Stop the bullshit. Even complete failures at life homeless people can make $30 to $40 per hour in cash, tax-free, standing on an off-ramp panhandling, along with getting free food, food coupons for discounted or outright free food, clothes, etc. Then they get SNAP, welfare checks or SSDI, help from various charity services, and more. The SNAP they get, they sell them to the poo or arab owned corner stores, family/friends, or their drug dealer for two-for-one (they get $1 in cash for $2 in foodstamps). They then turn around and spend all of it on booze, drugs, gambling, or some other wasteful bullshit, and CHOOSE to live in a tent, homeless encampment innawoods, or their car - if they haven't sold it for booze, drug, or gambling monies, already. It's 100% their CHOICE to do this, and many of them make more in a month than most working Americans, and substantially more per month than many make in the EU. 60% of chinks make less than $140 USD per month, and most homeless make that in one day standing on a street corner doing fuck all. Even in the evil Capitalistic US, a homeless druggy can make more money than the majority of chinks in the so-call Communistic China.

>>513690012
the best people to make decisions for a company are always those whose blood sweat and tears actually go into its daily function.

>>513689720
it's the best survival strategy, up to a point. once you start getting massive bureaucracies that power trip and expand aggressively at everyone's expense (communism) you start getting problems

>>513690012
The fundamental issue with the blue-haired interpretation of workers owning the means of production is that they believe they should share in the company's profits but not its losses.

>>513689913
That sounds a lot like communism to me.

>>513689997
You tried the lets be like Europe thing for the last 20 years then everybody voted for the guy you painted as a nazi twice. That ship sailed a long time ago. Just admit you cant install you system without killing off all the dissenting voices, a.k.a half the population.

>>513690073
capitalism has just as much bureaucracy, its just decided on by rich people

>>513690056
there are plenty companies that run that way they're called co-ops. you don't need communiggerdry for that

>>513681106 (OP)
>Under communism you're guaranteed
>guaranteed
Under National Socialism you are actually given a better deal.

>>513689720
It all comes from people who are individually weak and unable to survive by themselves. They insist on forming groups so they can leech off strong productive people.

>>513682522
>Victims of communism
not that I care about communism or politics in general, but those retards counted Soviet traffic accident victims as victims of communism...

>>513690130
the two options were not trump or communism they were trump or the most insufferable center-left bastards in politics.

>>513689913
There is no “war” or anything. They won’t need to do anything, they’ll just leave and take their digital money with them. Case closed, China’s going through it right now, just read about Li Ka Shing, the richest man in Asia.

Pur purchasing powrr is only available so long as the average american can consume and afford. We can see that change pretty quick as soon as government is involved.

>>513690178
exactly I'm not proposing communism, I'm proposing a libertarian form of socialism. Where workers collectively own the means of production as citizens own their country.

>>513690318
So it's was between trump and something still more slightly palatable to the average person than a communist, that doesnt look good for you. You still haven't answered my question though. How will you handle that half of the population that hates you? No reason to lie. We both know, underneath that facade is bloodlust just waiting to be justified.

>>513681106 (OP)
>communism

>>513687593
>We have the ability to make a just society
What does that even mean, a "just society"? This platitude is a nice sounding buzzword, but, what does it actually mean in the context of the real world?

>>513681106 (OP)
Yeah but capitalism gives me possibility to become one of richest 1%'ers.

>>513690343
digital money as in like stock and banks accounts right? stock in companies that are only worth what they own and move in products at a given time. products and operations with physical locations that can be seized, much like their bank accounts.

at a certain point it rlly just does come down to whether the president wants to implement it or not.

now again, the biggest threat is then the shortages in the market, but wen have domestic energy, food, and water production. we are already so integrated with other countries we could easily maintain trade. we wouldn't even need to close ports.

>>513681106 (OP)
>i didnt learn any job skill please help me daddy government
only losers and low IQ people embrace communism, because they believe they can only thrive if everyone is as miserable as them

>>513690436
oh yea, fascists get the bullet. but only for being fascists, not for opposing me. free and fair elections are key and an uncoerced populace will never vote for another nazi platform.

>>513690517
You can seize all the assets you want but you can’t seize connections. The rich aren’t rich because they have money, they’re rich because they have connections. And those connections are worth far more than any government can seize at any time.

Just look at Russia, nationalized half its economy and has nothing to show for it. You think the CEO’s who moved overseas to start a new company are gonna hurt more than the country who LOST those connections AND the money forever? This is why you commies are always retarded. Left or right, you both deserve the firing range.

>>513690480
well tbf I'm just talking the economy, so like general economic equality and equal access to opportunity for everyone. but obviously justice would mean lots of reform to our actual judicial and policing system

>>513687691
Faggots are hated because you're degenerates that try to corrupt society. Stop doing shit like vid related, and people won't hate you as much. Nobody gives a shit that you like to stick your dick in other men's shitty assholes. The problems come when you do it in public, and try to FORCE everyone to be okay with it. Be a shitdick faggot in the privacy of your own home, don't bring your degeneracy into public spaces, don't bring it into schools trying to force and brainwash little kids into liking it or brainwashing them into being faggots, stop being majority pedos, etc. and people won't care.

>>513690590
>we as a society and as a species have advanced so unbelievably far and were doing it at an exponential pace.
Remember when you said that? Now your're saying half the population is fascists and should die? So as long as you can find a way to deem someone some kind of label it's back too barbarity. How typical. Guess I'll vote for the Nazi's at least they're honest.

>>513690663
no the rich each have a calculated net worth based on their holdings in their US-based companies and those companies value. Connections will help them evade justice, but it will never keep them from preventing Americans from seizing their equipment and operations and continuing work simply to feed themselves, keep the lights on, and the water running.

>>513687956
Are you claiming there are no immoral poor people? Poor people are some of the most immoral people there are...

>>513690723
first of all gay people are not majority pedos, the only genetic markers associated with pedophilia is white men. that being said I won't bring faggot shit around you if you stop bringing straight shit around other people.

>>513690770
Connections help them BUILD new networks or infrastructure and businesses elsewhere because they have the capital, know how and the people for it. Government can’t seize the market, it always tries and the fucking merchants always end up eluding their dumb asses every time throughout history.

>>513681106 (OP)
>Under communism you're guaranteed a commieblock apartment, food, and a job.
i'm sold
where do i sign?

>>513690769
No fascists are an insufferably small portion of society, I've said that from the beginning. YOU said they were "half" the population.

you just want a reason to justify your vote to yourself but you'll always vote nazi for one reason or another, you can lead a horse to water and all that.

>>513690864
Wrong again nigger

>>513690808
did I say that?
no.
no I didn't.

>>513690932
One day you'll realize basically everyone votes based on race and the worl will make way more sense.

>>513690876
yea but we can seize their American businesses in the market. doesn't matter where they start up from, it'll be without whatever they had before, and it'll be with a lot of new competitors on the scene and a lot less buyers.

>>513690981
so what's your "vote based on race"?
Trump, who is objectively worse for white people?
Or Biden who gave plenty of us jobs in the government and one time checks during a horrific recession and once in a century pandemic.

>>513691003
Meanwhile the system that has helped set up hundreds of millions with stable paying jobs comes crashing down as there’s no longer the capital to do it, hyper accelerating a great depression lmao. You and a lefty commie should discuss your theories together, both sound retarded and short sighted, btw.

>>513691003
>>513691106
It won’t stop the rich from setting up shop elsewhere btw. Yes, they have less than before, but they’re still better off, because they won’t be going hungry wherever they’re going lmao.

>>513691060
>infinite immigrants is worse for whites
Okie dokie
In cases like that you base your vote off gun rights, duh.

>>513690096
If you own a share in the company you work at, by definition, you also share the losses.
A good socialist policy to implement and easy too is to pass legislation mandating the 51% majority share be sold exclusively to the workers or with option to receive shares as pay automatically after a set amount of time.
Then mandate the workers elect representatives or just choose the ones with the biggest share, whom would sit on the board of directors.
Point is workers have to have a say, and a right to full transparency, of the Cashflow.

>>513691106
>OH NO WHAT WILL WE EVER DO WHEN WE ALL STOP BEIN GRATEFUL TO THOSE WONDERFUL BILLIONAIRES!!! OH THANK YOU MR. BEZOS.

>>513691255
>big businesses carry a bigger piece of the pie AND liability than small businesses
>big businesses leave
>we’re left holding the bag????? How could I have known?!

>>513691168
1. immigration is also better for white people because it better society as a whole.

2. frankly the NRA is all too happy to take away yr gun if yr black, the right only cares about white peoples gun rights and Reagan proved it. I guess the playing field is different now, but gun rights are really far down my list just because of how little they actually help anything.

>>513690132
companies don't control every aspect of your life and they're not going to put you in a mass grave for talking shit about their products. i'm sure they would if they could, but state bureaucracies are the ones guilty of that these days and communism just lets them avoid all accountability

the solution is unironically fascism. we need class cooperation so that everything is balanced and we all work toward common goals (the survival of our genes and heritage)

>>513691351
liability means like, legal liability dude.

we're the government.

It's literally true....

>>513691434
Liability like costs and fees, genius. You can pass as many rules and laws all you like, eventually you’re gonna have to get money from somewhere to pay for the giant hole of costs left behind. Gonna print money forever without the capita to back it up? Lmao.

>>513681106 (OP)
You're also guaranteed to be poor and forced into compulsory work. National Socialism is the better option.

>>513691400
oh you care about our race surviving
I'm planning on having mixed kids.

I would love for us all to just be the same race frankly, if it's gonna be this much of a problem for people I wish our skin was all the same color, just a medium-dark grey.

>>513691390
1. stupidest statement ever, stay the fuck out, only homogeneous societies have ever worked historically.
2 I'm okay with blacks not having guns

>>513689652
>yeah i would just need to set aside $4000 every month for 20 years!
That's only $334 a month you would need to put back. Even working a job at $15/hr you could reasonably do it - especially with all the social benefits you would've gotten for being low income. Along with saving your annual tax refund that you'd get. And I assume, just like in the US, you'd be getting all the money you paid into federal taxes back because you're low income. Maybe even more, as Canada is more socialist than the US. You don't own a house because of YOU, not because some ebil Capitalist is holding you down. All you would've needed to save up is a down payment for a house, so, around $20k, not $80k like you're claiming to make it sound impossible. Monthly mortgage payments would be less than $700 with insurance included. You could've done this LONG before chinks started buying up houses and making them expensive. Hell, if you actually tried, instead of crying online like a faggot for 20 years, you could've sold that house to a chink for $3 million when the house prices skyrocketed, and made yourself a rather hefty profit. But, you'll come back with some excuse or snarky comment as to why you couldn't have done it, as it's much easier than actually applying yourself and trying to make something of yourself. Being a NEET that sets online complaining, and making excuses for 20 years is much easier than actually trying. You're a failure because of YOU, and not some faceless Capitalist enemy trying to hold you down. Making that excuse is no different from niggers saying, "dah man be holdin a brotha down, das be why I bes poor nigga" You are literally no different from a worthless nigger making excuse after excuse why he's in the position he is, using some faceless entity as the cause of all his problems. It's fucking pathetic, honestly.

>>513685346
>proscribe
You're not using this word right now IQ retard.

>>513691560
1. kill yourself you deserve to die.
2. kill yourself you deserve to die.

Im not wasting anymore time dealing with you ignorant swine.

>>513681106 (OP)
Communism wasn't good at all, only the concept of equality was good. I have given up on this whole "communism vs capitalism" argument, we are humans, bunch of idiots. No matter what, this world will never be fixed.

>>513691669
Nigger

>>513691549
>I would love for us all to just be the same race frankly
perhaps one day. all we'd have to do is stop feeding brown people and have them fend for themselves

>>513690056
Are you 12? Or just completely retarded? There's a reason those people are working for a company, and not running one, and it's not because muh ebil Capitalists. Holy shit, you're a fucking idiot. Just go back to leftypol, nobody wants to read your retarded drivel anymore.

>>513690313
>but those retards counted Soviet traffic accident victims as victims of communism...
Proof?

>>513690864
>I won't bring faggot shit around you if you stop bringing straight shit around other people.
what the fuck does that even mean? he's talking about degenerate gay fetish parades which are absolutely obnoxious. people justly hate shit like this. the lgbt is out of control and needs to be stopped, they go too far.

>>513691627
$334 a month for 20 years is only 80k that's only 10% of the way towards the cost of a house. which means i would need to work for 200 years to pay it off. and i am not a communist.

>>513690669
>well tbf I'm just talking the economy, so like general economic equality
What the fuck does "general economic equality"?
>and equal access to opportunity for everyone.
In the US, everyone has equal access to opportunity, already. Individual choice to take advantage of it is on the person, not the State. How doesn't the US have equal access to opportunity? Don't give me more leftypol buzzwords, I want a detailed explanation, please.
>but obviously justice would mean lots of reform to our actual judicial and policing system
What's wrong with it? Besides you not liking that niggers get put in prison for being niggers?

>>513690864
>first of all gay people are not majority pedos
The majority of faggots are pedos.
>the only genetic markers associated with pedophilia is white men.
Got any scientific proof of this, you shit loving leftypol loser?
>that being said I won't bring faggot shit around you if you stop bringing straight shit around other people.
Straight people are normal, and the default of any animal - human included. Stop trying to turn a small minority's degenerate lifestyle into the norm. Also, being a faggot isn't genetic, and is solely a lifestyle choice be it childhood trauma from being diddled as a kid, or whatever else.

>>513686098
>romania
Soviet puppet state that collapsed under their own retarded commie policy
>yugoslavia
Another soviet puppet state that gain independence during Tito after WWII because USSR was greatly weakened, so they became just an authoritarian state with free market capitalism within their borders and simply had international trade restrictions and sanctions for imports, fuck off retard

>>513690960
>did I say that?
You implied it. You retarded fucking leftypol troon. Just go back to leftypol.

>>513691186
Workers are ignorant, and work at the company because they're too stupid to own and run their own company. Good luck having a functioning, growing or stable company run by a bunch of fucking retards. Holy shit, you people are ignorant.

>>513692042
See more excuses, and presenting the worst case scenario so you can cope about being a loser. You ignored the rest of my post because if you didn't, you couldn't post some bullshit excuse for why you're a loser. Now, address the rest of my post sentence by sentence, or fuck off with your woe is me tired ass pathetic excuses for why you're a loser in the position you're in. Fucking pathetic piece of shit.

>>513681106 (OP)
>commieblock apartment
Only if you marry.
>food
For capitalists food you need to move to the large city, and there shortage possible, what you realy can get is spagetty, bread.
>job
You will do any bullshit needs it or not.

>>513681106 (OP)

In order to give everyone the commieblock apartment, food, and a job, commieblock apartment will consist of a pod, the food will consist of bugs, and the job will be whatever they want. Difference between the two is that you won't be able to elevate unless it's through the party, and if you're not in the party, you'll have the second hand smelly pod, the bug scraps, and the shit shoveling job.

>>513681106 (OP)
The only problem with communism is that nobody is yet to perfect it. If done humanely, it would succeed. But humans are retarded at best, so it doesnt work.
I would of been happy given a free commie block, trad wife and free education for my children.

>>513692607
the average small house in canada costs like 800k. this is just the math. it's not affordable. any cope about you strawmanning me as some commie retard or rambling about jewish money magic like down payments and mortgage or whatever bullshit is irrelevant. the house cost several hundred thousand fucking dollars ok and it's too much. it would take generations to pay it off. the only people buying houses now are investors who will try and flip and sell to another investor like a game of music chairs.

>>513692930

If a system isn't designed for those you want to impose it on, then it isn't a system for them. Communism is inherently anti-human.

That's not me saying that, that's them saying that, hence their necessity in the idea of the 'New Man'.

>>513693361
>>513691627
>All you would've needed to save up is a down payment for a house, so, around $20k, not $80k like you're claiming to make it sound impossible. Monthly mortgage payments would be less than $700 with insurance included. You could've done this LONG before chinks started buying up houses and making them expensive. Hell, if you actually tried, instead of crying online like a faggot for 20 years, you could've sold that house to a chink for $3 million when the house prices skyrocketed, and made yourself a rather hefty profit.

I already addressed you cope. You had 20 years, 20 fucking years to save up a down payment for a house. You only use prices as of today so you can cope about being a fucking loser. You could've saved enough for a down payment 15 years ago when prices were lower, and sold that house to a chink for $3 million making a huge profit. But, instead, you set online complaining and making excuses for why it's not your fault for being a loser, it's everyone else's fault like a pathetic faggot, no different from a nigger making excuses for why he's a pathetic nigger. You'll always have a dozen excuses for being a pathetic loser. You'll always blame it on something, or someone else, anything but the truth that it's YOU, the problem is you, and only you. Keep being a victim, though, I'm sure setting on your ass not trying, and blaming other's for it will one day make you a success... You will only improve once you face reality and admit the problem is you, and the only way to improve your position in life is on you, and you alone. You don't want to hear the truth, though, so you ignore 99% of my post, and come back with another excuse.

Kill communists on sight.

>>513693731
it's not about me, it's about a housing bubble. 20 years is enough for a down payment and a down payment is 10% of the cost of the house. only 90% of the rest of the cost to go. its too fucking expensive you retard.

>>513681245
all of those are completely wrong, people were always changing professions to whatever their interests were, people moved homes here, people grew their own produce still and ate whatever the fuck they wanted

>>513683673
>Live in a small confined space
initial commie blocks from the 1940s - 1950s were small because the home didn't need all the modern shit it now does, the buildings that followed from the 1960s increased massively in size, they're now larger and better built than most new builds