Thread 513684542

Everyone who has not studied epistemology, logic, cognitive biases, and fallacies should be made into second class citizens not subject to the protections of law, not able to vote, and if they are given a platform upon which to babble they should be made to at least understand they are irrational retards. Like these two retards (Ngmy+4kD) and (+FVKuThf) in this thread: >>513643318

If you don't even know how to think you are a danger to yourselves and others because you are a metaphorical blind man stumbling through life and will fall for many falsehoods and you'll never be able to communicate effectively with others. Forget about studying anything or doing anything with your life at all until you've learned how to think. Every single book, every single discourse, all of it is a complete waste on you until you know how to think.

Persona non grata; that is what we should declare all who don't know how to reason. Republics turn into tyrannies purely because people who don't know how to reason are swayed by faulty reasoning and emotional appeals and manipulated into serving a tyrant's agenda. We need to be philosopher kings like Plato talked about and then government can flourish and the people can flourish.

>>513684542 (OP)
I have a system to sort out tardos. It's about awareness and focus.

>>513683276
>It's called the brain

Mind is not physical. Mind is held by some realists to be the product of the brain, something that they have never proven btw, see "the hard problem of consciousness". Realism is the stance that there is both "mind and matter" and there's many different realist theories. Idealism is the stance that "all is mind". Materialism is the stance that "all is matter, there is no mind" and is a completely retarded stance that absolutely nobody believes in. The debate right now is between different realists and idealists, with various scientists ascribing to different variations of either realism or idealism.

>>Physical mind is an oxymoron
>How exactly?

Mind is not something that takes up space, can be held or touched, examined, etc. You can't look at a brain and see an emotion, a thought, etc. there you can only find correlates of nervous system activity in there but not show the actual qualia. Furthermore, there is evidence in the medical literature concerning NDEs and psychedelics that profound mental experiences happen during times in which greatly reduced or in some cases zero neuronal activity is experienced. In fact reduced activity in the brain is strongly correlated with greater mental experience and this suggests as such that death has the effect of expanding consciousness not snuffing it out.

>>513684542 (OP)
Based penguin killing a Russian.

>>513683108
Yes I in fact have. Just because you're a dumb illiterate shit doesn't mean I didn't spend the last decade + reading and studying everything I could. I prefer to have an informed opinion on anything. If you want to reach my levels of professional racism, you must learn in detail why commies, shitskins, etc. are inferior. Like how the best cure for Christianity is to make Christians actually read the Bible, you should also read all these other religious texts too, and if you don't read them then just refrain from having an opinion on them and stick to criticizing what you actually know.

This is essentially me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm_-C4L1Ebw

I will always mog you because of this. I am a better racist than you can ever hope to be. You make a mockery of racism with your ignorance, there is nothing better than a scientific racist, a well-informed racist. You must become an expert in slavology, niggerology, kikeology, etc.

>>513683518
It's only nebulous/vague to you for the same reason that nuclear physics is nebulous/vague to anyone who knows fuck all about it. It is a very profound statement to those who've studied books like this: https://www.yogebooks.com/english/atkinson/1922personalpower.pdf
...and actually followed the logic from start to finish, realizing the interconnectedness of all these ideas, the logical consistency, and appreciating fully what can be known when we work from first principles like the aforementioned self-evident axiom of Rene Descartes "cogito ergo sum" aka "I think therefore I am" or the perhaps more fundamental statement of "I am" then you can do away with any quandaries about existence being predicated upon "thinking".

>>513685280
That's actually what happens when you install non-free software. The Linux penguin comes to you and takes you out.

>>513684542 (OP)
Dumb people think you need to study something to know and understand it.

Fucking King Midwit the II over here.

>>513686597
Okay so I want to respond harshly to you with insults but I'm just going to request you go ahead and demonstrate your claim with an example, at least one instance of someone such as yourself or anyone else, who "knows" and "understands" something they did not study.

Actually, I'll do you a favor and argue your claim for you:

I think what you're saying could be true for martial arts, one could know and understand fighting without having formally studied it or even trained for it. I believe this is demonstrated when animals and people manage to fight off attackers effectively even though they never "studied".

As for critical thinking, people do apply logic without knowing the names of the various fallacies, and often use deduction and induction.

Who are you calling a Midwit btw yourself or me? I take it that you're describing yourself as the King Midwit right or did I misunderstand your post?

>he had to study what comes to white men naturally
lmao ugly nigger

>>513686941
There is no shame in studying. How are you going to communicate effectively and with precision the errors others have made if your vocabulary consists only of "you have contradicted yourself"? It is nice put a name to all the different errors one can make.

I hope I don't catch you making any errors if by your post you mean to imply that you are white and have already perfected your reasoning skills without any study btw. For no doubt by your own standard you will have proven yourself not to be a white man if I catch you making even one error.

What gives you cause anyways to assume that I had to study any of this? I merely suggest that those who have not studied it should not be given citizenship. You need to demonstrate to the state your ability to reason otherwise you should not be given any rights or protections. I don't really care if you study or not but good luck making that demonstration without studying. It also will not be sufficient at all for you to merely prove you can reason in one instance only, you will still need to cover each form properly, anyone can engage in selective reasoning when it suits them or be right about one thing and then wrong about many things.

>>513686909
You said that everyone needs to study to learn how to think.
That's the path that midwits, people with an IQ between 105 and 120 almost always follow. No innovation or self discovery just following in the work of others and then holding up their memorization of knowledge.
A person of actual intelligence doesn't need to study to learn to think. They practice thinking every day.
As for calling you a midwit, my comment, 'King Midwit the II over here.' Conversationally implies that I would be pointing at you and drawing attention to you. You would know this if you were not autistic.

>critical thinking
>logical fallacies
>philosopher kings

>>513684542 (OP)
> every MAGA retard should be a second class citizen
based

>>513687426
>You said that everyone needs to study to learn how to think.

Yes.

>That's the path that midwits, people with an IQ between 105 and 120 almost always follow. No innovation or self discovery just following in the work of others and then holding up their memorization of knowledge.

Memorization is not critical thinking, you're engaging in false equivalence now. Too bad you're not a 126 IQ (tested at that level mind you after 120 hour of sleep deprivation) like me, perhaps you wouldn't reveal yourself to be incompetent already, you're only on your second post.
>A person of actual intelligence doesn't need to study to learn to think. They practice thinking every day.
There's a difference between merely thinking and critical thinking. Regardless of whether one has to study or not, the ability of critical thinking ought to be possessed of any person who is to be regarded a citizen of the state, whether they come by that skill innately or by study it really is impertinent.
>As for calling you a midwit, my comment, 'King Midwit the II over here.' Conversationally implies that I would be pointing at you and drawing attention to you. You would know this if you were not autistic.
Oh I could well have assumed that as well, but I prefer to try and think of you as a humble person and possessed of humor, and to assume the best from you. As this thread progresses however you reveal further your inferiority. I suggest now you admit to your foolishness and practice some humility to save face a little bit, that would elevate your character in my eyes and that of others, but there is a cognitive flaw possessed of many persons whereby they tend to double down and to further expose their stupidity. I hope you don't prove yourself to be one of such persons possessed of so common a flaw.

>>513687484
Julius Evola and pretty well any intellectual fascist, traditionalist, national socialist, etc. loves Plato. Plato is in many ways at the heart of such movements. People like Stefan Molyneux explicitly talk shit about Plato because of how his mode of thinking has given rise to far-right modes of thinking. In many ways every kind of chud-like movement is tied to the ideas of Plato.

Communists, redditors, and the likes are completely at odds with reason, truth, reality, critical thinking, and the likes. They find such things abhorrent and prefer to never have their echochamber disturbed and to decide the correctness of any viewpoint by mere argument ad populum, aka consensus cracking and constantly adjusting their stances by what appears to be popular.

One day, great irony it will be, they will all switch over to National Socialism purely as a result of the shifting of the overton window. The NPC programming will receive a sudden update and all of them will agree with us now, and it will take some really careful discernment then to identify them. You can already see it now in how popular and mainstream antisemitism has become, now it's cool for everyone to hate jews. Glorious thing!

As for your mockery, it is not well founded, and you really do not belong here. Your anti-intellectualism would really be better served by a study of Mein Kampf, wherein there are actually good reasons to hate intellectuals, or more precisely the academic type. There is nothing wrong really with being an intellectual, but there is something very wrong with academia, which today has devolved into group think, censorship, and irrationality.

>>513684542 (OP)
You dont understand that people dont want to be facists and they usually only do when economic situations are dire. That is actually a really simple concept.

>>513687533
Pretty much yes but that also applies to practically all the people supporting the other Zionist political parties that rule over America. If one is not able to criticize his own party, then are you even human in the fullest and most proper philosophical sense that does not reduce human to a mere biological entity? To certain of the Greeks for example a human was defined as "being capable of reason". Well, at lot of people are capable of reason, but if they don't demonstrate it by actually bringing reason to fruition how do we know they aren't on the same level as an animal? Reason it is said is what separates man from animal. So according to such a high standard of what constitutes "man" there are a lot of two-legged animals about us, "beasts of the field", etc. call it what you will.

>>513688780
People dont understand when we say we are monkies they equate that with "well then i can shit in the middle of my living room", kinda reminds me of leftists.

>>513688716
>You dont understand that people dont want to be facists

I'm not a fascist myself but what gives you cause to believe that I have a misapprehension about what the people in general want to be or not? What in any of my writings in this thread leads you to this conclusion?

>and they usually only do when economic situations are dire. That is actually a really simple concept.

Okay? I'm completely familiar with the concept of accelerationism and understand perfectly the reasoning of Brenton Tarrant. It's also not that different from what Julius Evola writes about in his many writings about kali yuga and cyclical history.

You see ignorance where there is none. I understand the simple concept you talk about and do concur that you are right.

I would like to inform you however that you should read Julius Evola's criticisms of Fascism. One of the important differences between me a National Socialist and a Fascist is that I see the state as a means to an end, that end being the race, the ultimate principle to which all of society ought be bent. A fascist holds the state as the most high principle and the people as expendable. Adolf Hitler advocated to do away with the state and to modify the activities of the economy if either the state or the economy (capitalism) threatened the race.

"The state is a means to an end. Its end lies in the preservation and advancement of a community of physically and psychically homogenous creatures."

-Adolf Hitler

Here is a book from Julius Evola criticizing fascism: https://annas-archive.org/md5/e414f625da7943a952c99b8991103a12

>>513689073
So the state that demands everyone to be a "loyal servant" (god do i hate these pieces of shit) is then replaced by you know hitler.
The state ought to improve the lifes of its citizens that is the entire purpose. It is like a machine that churns out nice shit and isnt self serving. Now obviously within reason and not rock hard, blunt ideology.

>>513684542 (OP)
There just needs to be consequences for when someone speaks confidently about something and then they are proven wrong. That's it. Nothing else has to happen.

>>513684542 (OP)
Everyone needs to study grammar, logic and rhetoric, I agree. People who say they don't need to study logic because they have it innate are always people who haven't studied a single page of logic in their lives and hence don't know anything about logic and hence don't know what they're talking about. We have the Prussian education system which is designed to teach the Trivium to the top 0.5% of the population while suppressing it for the bottom 99.5%. I am studying Euclid's Elements and Latin at the moment, the former for logic, the latter for grammar.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-jan-30-oe-crease30-story.html

>>513689347
Culture matters. We need to popularize certain ideas. In this case the central ethos of everything is to be the race. As long as we can capture the culture to serve this principle, then even if corruptors of the state worm their way into it, the will of the people will be sufficient to oust them (through violence and other means). There also other servants of the state who can likewise act to remove traitorous elements. Just as communism can maintain itself because of the hold it has over the mind of the people, or the zionists currently maintain themselves through their hold over the minds of the people, we can do the same. The only difference between us and the rest of them is we don't need censorship to achieve this dominance because our cause is just and true. It's the liars and those who are at odds with reality that must by necessity maintain control through limiting what others can see. 4chan is proof that in a free speech environment, national socialism is inevitable, it is the conclusion after one has reviewed and studied all the different possibilities.

>lots of text Op didn't reflect in himself deadass
>answers to archived thread literally in empty space, ( logic, cognitive biases, and fallacies)
>IQ dick measuring (just like an animal)
>"I think for myself"
but
>"I rely on reasoning of authority by following their reason by quoting them and their works".

op full of shit.

>>513689413
True. I believe that what is sufficient for this is we need to strip away everything that protects them from ridicule and exposure. They must not be allowed to censor critics and they must not have a bunch of laws shielding them from being called out and humiliated in public. Free speech absolutism is a necessary foundation for a functioning state.

Right now as it stands the liars are protected by the state. I don't want that. When I talk about persona non grata I believe these people shouldn't be protected. They should suffer consequences for their lying, as you put it. Consequences that don't have to be enforced by the state, all the state has to do is allow people to "take care of business".

>>513689867
I dunno about national socialism i kinda fancied the idea but i would say it should be all of europe and then it can spread.
The "culture" here is that the state is our nigger and not the other way round.

>>513689993
I have no engaged in any appeals to authority nor have I substituted others reasoning for my own. I have merely produced a single quote so far in this thread and cited the works of various relevant philosophers. If I was guilty of what you charge of me, my post would look something like this:

"go read this book, the answers are in there" (then nothing else)

But that is not how this thread is. I'm fully reasoning out everything in here and giving citations and quotes as additional reading.

Btw how the fuck do you have access to the public internet in Kazakhstan? I'm guessing that's a proxy but Kazakhstan is just like North Korea it's another hermit kingdom where nobody but the party elite has access to the outside world. Either you're part of the dictator's family or inner circle or that's just a proxy you're using.

Can you explain to me btw why you respond in such an emotional manner clearly indicating you are intimidated by me? Making a huge deal out of me mentioning IQ. Also what the fuck are you even saying in the first two sentences you greentexted...

>>513690075
Are you using a translator to communicate with me? Your sentence doesn't make much sense to me.

"i would say it should be all of europe and then it can spread."

What does the two instances of "it" refer to in this sentence?

>The "culture" here is that the state is our nigger and not the other way round.

Good. The state should fear the people. It should also concern itself with the welfare of the people and make sure to improve the people not degenerate them. Like JFK when he tried to get Americans to be really fit and very capable to defend the nation.

These days the American state peddles drugs to its people which is based if it's black neighbourhoods they are doing it in but also imports tons of subhumans and doesn't control its borders properly so what is the point in exterminating low impulse control stupid retards in your country if you just import more retards from outside and ruin everything anyways?

>>513688948
It's just one of the many consequences of the Christian tradition shitting itself.

Rousseau thinks that man is essentially good by nature and becomes corrupted by society.
Christians think that man is essentially evil by nature and needs a savior.
Both are delusions.

Nietzsche thinks that man is progressing from a lower form of life to a higher. This way of thinking does not denigrate us to the same level as monkeys. Just because we share a common origin doesn't mean we are to "return to monke". It's like thinking that the bacteria in the ocean is equal with us because further back in history all life came from single celled organisms that evolved in the ocean.

Leftists and christcucks are afraid of this narrative of the ascent of man. One wants us to think the ascent is not possible, that everyone is equal, that there is nothing better to aspire to. The other thinks man is helpless without some Jew to guide him to salvation. They fear the will to power, the struggle of man to master himself, to subordinate the lower principles to the higher.

>>513690437
The "socialism" can spread it is kinda obvious isnt it.
The state shouldnt fear the people nor should the people fear the state. What a dull comment to make.

The refugees come here and the state has no control it is just polishing the turd. Also the laws should be different but you willa not ever change that by just changing the laws because they are already there. WE gotta bribe them or use different methods.

>uses — dash
Ewww a chat jeetpt nigger flaggot. You will never be white.

>>513684542 (OP)
Holy shit, is that real?!

>>513689681
Even if they had impeccable logic without having studied it (which already the fools in this thread have demonstrated they do not) they'd lack vocabulary for effective communication that could only come from study, and being able to communicate with precision is necessary in order to get beyond grug-tier levels of communication that even animals can understand. Any animal can indicate it needs and whatever with some barks or whatever, but only a human can explain for example the difference between empiricism and pragmatism. Niggers in Africa it's really interesting to find out they don't even have words for time such as "past" and "future" and that their languages have very few words. The niggers in Malawi for example that some of my Dutch friends are living around right now only have about 1,000 words and a lot of the communication is based around how those very few words they have are said.

Meanwhile see pic related.

"There is no exact count of words in English, but estimates suggest there are around 1 million words, including various forms and technical terms. The Oxford English Dictionary lists about 171,476 words currently in use."

Someone who lives like a nigger doesn't need all those words but we need tons of words to differentiate between concepts, between objects, etc. and communicate effectively. Our ability to communicate effectively is necessary to advancing civilization and to achieving things on a large scale that can't be done on a smaller scale.

>>513690709
>The "socialism" can spread it is kinda obvious isnt it.

Are you saying that we must have National Socialism before International Socialism? That we must solve the needs of our own citizens before we solve the needs of foreign citizens? If so, yeah, that is the obvious priority that states should be pursuing. If everyone focuses first on getting their own personal affairs in order (fixing their own life), then their family, and the state, then they are in a better position to fix the world as a whole.

>The state shouldnt fear the people nor should the people fear the state. What a dull comment to make.

So do you not agree with John Basil Barnhill?

"Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty."
^ this was said originally by John Basil Barnhill, though people misattribute this saying to Thomas Jefferson a lot. It's from a series of debates on socialism in 1914. Americans are extremely fond of repeating this quote.

I think you might not be understanding what is meant by "fear" here. It's "fear" in the same sense as "fear" god. When people "fear god" that doesn't mean they are scared of god, it means more so a certain kind of respect, similar to how one respects a wild animal and what it could do.

A state should not think that it can tyrannize its people without consequence. Also the people probably should have some faith in the power of the state to accomplish things including keeping public order.

>>513690709
>The refugees come here and the state has no control it is just polishing the turd. Also the laws should be different but you willa not ever change that by just changing the laws because they are already there. WE gotta bribe them or use different methods.

There is already one country in Europe that just shoots anyone trying to cross the border illegally into their country. It's extremely easy to do. America for example could just say one day "okay, you are free to shoot all illegals now, we won't stop you" and basically overnight the problem would be solved without even needing a border. The constant fear that every invader would live in that they could be shot by anyone at any time and that their killer would never face consequences for it but rather be exalted as a hero of the state would cause them all to self-deport really fast. Right now the invaders are protected by the state from the wrath of the average random American. Even ICE right now isn't doing enough in my opinion, they are deporting them but they should just be killing them, and they should be calling upon the help of the average American to accomplish this instead of it being the task of ICE agents only.

>>513690782
>NOOOO you can't paragraph space or you're from reddit, you can't use old grammar you picked up reading books from before the second world war, you have to conform to my standards of retardation or you're an AI chatbot.

Learn to use grammar fully or you're a spiritual nigger.

>>513690825
This is why they don't want you going to antarctica. They're trying to keep the penguins a secret. Most people will never be able to afford to go there and the few that do only get to wander around very specific areas and never really explore the continent. Truth is those penguins are harnessing the power of vril in ways few can comprehend... no wonder the Germans of the Third Reich made their expeditions there.

>>513691139
Hating the study of logic is nothing new. Philosopher and bishop John of Salisbury wrote in 1159:
>Behold, the Cornificians disclose their objective, and advance to attack logic, although, of course, they are equally violent persecutors of all philosophical pursuits. They have to begin somewhere, and so they have singled out that branch of philosophy which is the most widely known and seems the most familiar to their heretical sect.

>>513691968
There's even more ancient disdain for logic referenced in the writings of the ancient Greeks.

I am not sure what to do really when I encounter fools who speak so confidently in error and never correct themselves, can never be edified. I don't mind a man who has a spirit of learning in him, always making mistakes but correcting them, but the kind of people whose psychology is such that they can never admit of a mistake and never humble themselves those I am at a loss as to how to deal with them. Wish I could find a psychology video about this so I could learn how some professional psychologist would handle that personality type.

pajeets should be posting on bharatchan and living on the subcontinent

the majority of pajeets on /pol/ try to hide the fact that they're pajeets. in addition to "leaving that part out" they will proactively, persistently misrepresent their true form. pajeets are all about assuming other people's roles, from today's outsourcing and replacement migration all the way back to thuggee bandits lying to travelers about who they were. pajeets are devoid of their own identity, making them the ideal globalized goyim. they don't want a home where they belong. all that means to them is "compete in squalor." much better to go somewhere nicer, built by other people, and do their jobs for less pay and live slum-barracks life in their suburbs. pajeets don't want to be home. they also don't want to be pajeets. jews know exactly how to play their insecurities and dopey ambitions like the innocent rube fresh off the bus from the cornfield. this is their new golem to replace the ones that don't love them anymore

pajeets have been transplanted all over the world in unbelievable numbers. the plan is to homogenize all countries into a single mass of interchangeable, predictable, suggestible consumers whose only loyalty is to the elite and their system of puppetry. motivated not by heritage or ideology (despite all portrayals to the contrary), but by paltry shares of wealth and status in a materialistic world order in which everyone belongs equally everywhere and nowhere

there was never any good reason to share a country, a language, or the internet with pajeets