Can you really blame Ukrainians for not wanting to be part of russia? Going the european way seems like the better deal

>>513695584 (OP)
Looks exactly like Ukraine, lol

>>513695584 (OP)
bro. but like.

>>513695584 (OP)
Full of black niggers vs full of white niggers

>>513695584 (OP)
Why do so many people on this board attempt to psychologically program me to hate either Russians or Ukrainians?

>>513695584 (OP)
Post a pic of the same place in spring.

>>513695584 (OP)
I'm fucking my fifth Ukrainian refugee trash whore of the day. These cunts are cheap!

>>513695643
Just hate slavniggers, they're subhuman

>>513695584 (OP)
Not really, they are now actual slaves to a jewish dictator, in hindsight it was the worst possible mistake they could make to try and become a satellite state to the US

Who are these Ukranian people you speak of?
You mean the race that was completely exterminated and will now be replaced by africans and indians?

>>513695627
or poland 30 years ago
point is its better to stay away

>>513695810
>Just hate slavniggers
no

>>513695584 (OP)
I can't really blame manfailures for wanting to be a woman either. Instead, I blame the kikes that made them believe this is a possibility.

>>513695584 (OP)
Didn't Ukraine she'll the donbass and Russia stepped in to help the large ethnic russian population that wants to be Russian?

>>513695584 (OP)
>Can you really blame Ukrainians for not wanting to be part of russia?
Yet, wasn't this war started because Ukrainians in the south and east of the country wanted to do just that? Zelensky should just let them. 1.7 million Ukrainians have already died in this jewish dictator's imperialistic war to force these people to remain under the banner of the Rothschild world order.

>>513695825

>>513695584 (OP)
The ukraine lost

>>513696064
>X is bad
>Yeah but Y is also bad! I bet you look foolish now!
Shut up Ahmed, you dont even have the brain capacity to comprehend the world

>>513695584 (OP)
>Going the european way
europe is going to be africa pretty quick

>>513696128

>>513695584 (OP)
The Ukraine is giving up easily 20% of its territory to avoid an even more brutal unconditional surrender --lmao keep shilling and misspelling Kiev though it's clearly working.

>>513695887
wog

>>513696032
This. What was the point except to let that Jew send millions to their death in a war he and NATO instigated? Why the fuck isn't the government leaving NATO after this bullshit. A third world country tried to start a nuclear war between Russia and the US for the benefit of China and Israel. If that's not a wake up call nothing will be.

>>513695810
Based

>>513695584 (OP)
>Can you really blame Ukrainians for not wanting to be part of russia?
No not really. Its hell on earth coupled with millions of mudslime rapefugees.

>>513695643
Thats what politics is all about. Propaganda to sway opinions.

>>513695847
Bro, Poland looks like shit >>513685104

>>513695584 (OP)
>Can you really blame Ukrainians for not wanting to be part of russia? Going the european way seems like the better deal
That's what I keep telling schizo kremlinbots claiming it was a CIA coup. Motherfucker your culture is the most depressing, grey, soul crushing existence. People would rather have trannies trying to read children story books than live in a fucking commieblock. At least you can say Trump is a giga jew faggot lover and not have to worry about agents coming to your country and putting VX poison in your food.

>>513695640
Russia is full brown people but brainlets here dont understand this.

>>513695584 (OP)
>German
What's the point of an outside if it doesn't increase productivity or output
Don't you agree kraut

When you see them doing everything to stop Ukrainian agricultural products from entering the EU, you know there was no such thing as the European way for them

>>513695584 (OP)
Kiev is beautiful

ew

>>513696565
Brown people within their Empire that have been living on the same land for thousands of years is different than countries in the EU importing in literal Somalians for no reason.

yikes

>>513696874
>muh speshul browns

>>513696874
We import Central Asians too. But yeah, its not quite the same, since they are better than Africans or Indians that the West takes in.

Obviously nobody wants to be part of Russia. Even Russians who can afford it move to Turkey, Dubai or London.

>>513696915
you sent your browns in other EU country, gypsy kike

>>513695584 (OP)

Reminds me of a discussion I had with another retarded kraut on Twitter, who was claiming that the referendums in Crimea, Donbass etc. must definitely have been manipulated, because no sane person would want to be russian, pointing to several aspects (like: low GDP, high alcohol consumption etc.) that he believed prove russia is a shithole.

For every single aspect he mentioned, I prove to him that the situation in russia is still better than in Ukraine or even germany, citing only statistics from normie sources like Wikipedia or statista.
Russia is a shithole? Yeah, maybe - but in pretty much every respect Ukraine is even more of a shithole, and those are the only two options the people in Crimea, Donbass etc. have, apart from being independant.

>>513696959
>you sent your browns in other EU country, gypsy kike

>>513695812
It's not even that Ukraine necessarily wants to be Western. Even to be Slavic you have to go against Russia. Russia is not Slavic, they are Muslim Eurasiatic. Ukraine has to be anti-Russia just to be Slavic alone, let alone Western. Nobody wants to be Hunnic.

>>513695643
This.

I actually support both sides, I hope they never give up and do their best effort to win.

>>513696969
The difference is that Ukraine wants to join the developed world while Russia is stuck being ruled by corrupt oligarchs and a tinpot dictator. If Russia was so great why don't any of these pro-Russian shills move there?

>>513696995
riprenditi i tuoi zingari prima di preoccuparti della russia, zingaro

>>513696969
Go back to Russia and sign the contract, Boris. Easy rubles wait for you.

>>513696969
People in Donbas and Crimea didnt want to go away from retards in Kiev because of Gedepipi or lgbt rights or whatever metric these retards pull out
Kiev was hijacked and they banned their language, religion, kidnappings, extortions, assasinations, ethnicly expulsing population the very hate mentality which british formed where these fuckers would blame everything bad on Russia and make sure that they hate Russians for just being Russian
You cant argue with blind hate of programed imbecils
Thus, hoholstan needs to be exterminated and hopefully other parts of eurofaggotistan will follow with crown happening noooking of Britain
Amen

>>513696383
>The Ukraine is giving up easily 20% of its territory

I'm pretty sure that 20% is not random, it is mainly Russian people who never liked being forced ti be part of Ukraine.

Russia has only been targeting that small area from day 1. They haven't even attempted to move beyond those sectors of interest.

Why do people think it's taking Russia "long" to "invade" a weak country with virtually no military power, who are only getting half assetld help from the West... which btw get immediately captured and tortured by the Red Army?

Russia set foot only Ukraine and took what they wanted day 1.

>>513695907
>"You don't want to live in my judeo bolchevik shithole ran by kike oligarchs? You must be a kike!"

>>513695584 (OP)
But even Russians do "eiroremont" in renovation to European standards. Ukraine is somehow worse than Russia. The hohol refugeea are like ziggers from the 90s.

>>513695584 (OP)
looks like ukraine tho
and russia is way better developped

>>513697098

polan looked like that in the 90s
and sure the other commie shithole too

>>513697344
Their crime rate is very low here compared to Arabs.

>>513697441
East Germany looked like this in the 90s.
After decades of soviet occupation.

>>513696937
It's bad yeah but only a fraction as bad as the West. Paris is completely unlivable now. It's a complete African shithole and only spreading

>>513695584 (OP)
Only western oinkers heavily voted against neutrality, they're also the ones to least suffer from war, there is map showing where 80% draftees coming from heavily pro russian regions. Load mouthed niggers has been always a minority hence why zelekike will never allow elections or recognize any time of refferendum. Ukraine case was all about weakening Russia and force it to comply, timing is also deliberate.

>>513697527
Maybe. Can't compare to arabs, but last murders that made the news were of drunk hohols killing their wives or drunk manslaughter with cars. Russians have calmed down since the 90s. Hohols are what Russians used to be.

>>513696969
Hey, I'm from Donetsk. Choosing sides in Donbass was more of the culture thing, than materialistic. Ukrainian language
was foreign here. Also Ukraine is stuck in 90s, while Russia moved on. I've traveled a lot on both sides, there's much more from USSR in Ukraine than in Russia nowadays. The Ukrainian will to join EU is just an attempt to get a better living without doing anything.

>>513697070
>The difference is that Ukraine wants to
Ukraine is not an individual. Neither are its people mono ethnic, nor monolingual (if you don't count the Russian language, since that would go against your point), nor do they share this want as a monolithic unit.

>Ukrainians and Russians are so different bro
Yeah, just like jeets and pakis right? Let's just ignore the genetics and focus on issues that pale in comparison.

>>513697070
Well, what's stopping them from "joining the developed world", unlike other countries did that once belonged to the soviet union?
Muh russia? Not really. It's the fact that they are Europe's shithole and have been for decades.
I know many people especially in western Ukraine believe that Ukraine is only a shithole because they are not getting gibs from being in the european union.
But the sole reason they are not in the european union yet is because they have been such a shithole.

> If Russia was so great why don't any of these pro-Russian shills move there?
Because nowadays everyone must either be a good, politically correct "pro-ukrainian" or an evil, politically incorrect "pro-russian". And simply not joining in on the "Slava Ukraini!" NPC choir is already enough the be declared "pro-russian". And of course, not a single one even of the most outspoken "pro-ukrainians" would ever move to Ukraine as well.

>>513697876
Obviously not every Ukrainian wants this but it seems like the majority do. That's what this war is all about. Ukrainians want a better life free from the yoke of Moscow and Putin is trying to cling on to his spheres of influence.

Ultimately it comes down to this: if you were Ukrainian, where do you think you and your children will have a better future: Europe with it's free markets, higher education, low poverty and corruption or Russia with it's repressive laws, high poverty, low standard of living, corruption, crime, etc...

>>513695584 (OP)
why do people pretend theres a difference between ukr and rus
they're both dirty corrupt slavic shitholes, but Moscow at least looks pretty unlike keev

>>513698008
>Well, what's stopping them from "joining the developed world"
Well they're currently fighting a war to do just that and it looks like the country will end up being partitioned much like Germany after war.

Poland was also an ex-Soviet shithole but it's now one of the strongest and most developed countries in Europe. Can you blame Ukrainians for wanting to follow in their footsteps?

>>513695584 (OP)
Ukraine will never be Europe. They are as much a shithole as Russia. Just more corrupt.

>>513698008
So much bullshit in one post, good job.
Your people bomb Ukraine every day for years now to stop them from joining EU or NATO. But yeah, "muh russia" has nothing to do with it.

>getting used as a pawn of the jew is better

>demographic collapse and your young men being blasted to piece for foreign interests is better

how does this war serve the interests of the ukranian people when putin offered peace solutions (just don't join nato or pursue a membership)

>>513697802
We had one from Ukraine try to kill his wife too, but in court he had clearly brownish skin, so some kind of gypsy he was.

>>513695810
You're a rootless colonizer, mutt
Mutts don't even know what the fuck they are.
Mestizo???
Nigger???
Spic???
Asiatic???
Semite???
Gentile???
Redskin???
Who the fuck knows for sure in that multi culti corrupt fucking zoo?
But one thing's for sure, what ever yooropeeon roots on that continent remain are fading away fast....but you see, that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

>>513698506
You do not understand. Every Ukrainian wants his Crimea and Donbass back, because it is his land.

>>513695629
Vax toll: Paid

>>513695627
Ukraine made the mistake of not joining the West immediately after the Soviet Union collapsed.
Russia and everyone who remained aligned with Russia look like shit compared to those who joined the West.

>>513695847
To be honest, I feel bad for Russians.
They're fucked up for one reason, and it's a reason they've been totally unable to overcome for over a thousand years: They will support their country no matter what. Even if they're being assraped by oligarchs. Even if they're being betrayed by a murderous dictator. They're constantly, CONSTANTLY being ground beneath the heel of someone rich and powerful, and they always accept it because they genuinely love their country and they cannot fucking ever accept that their leaders are disgusting kleptopcrats that don't have their best interests at heart. They tried with communism! It failed.
There's a reason the word slave literally grew from the term slav (Yes, the term SLAVE literally did come from SLAV.). They're just naturally easy to take advantage of, and they can't stand up for themselves. Even the Chinese will snap if they take too much abuse; never russians. There is literally no limit of the depravity they're unable to tolerate.
That's why they'll live in squalor forever. They'll never rebel, revolt, or ask for more. EVER. So, in my opinion, they just deserve it. You get what you tolerate, and they have no self-respect and always place their scumbag oligarchs over themselves. Out of a sense of national pride, they will suck any cock and loudly proclaim that they love it.
They're a nation of slaves.
>>513695627
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>>513695584 (OP)
he has bar for calisthen, white flower for babushka, and nice care
you would want more?

>>513698670
The biggest mistake Ukraine made was giving up its nukes.

Russia is cringeeee

>>513698695
That's because Russians are Huns. This is another steppe invasion.

>>513698670
They gave up their nukes in exchange for promises from the US for protection
Any country who trusts the US inevitably gets fucked over like this

>>513695584 (OP)
Except for the ones that are Russian and wanted to be in Russia, but you invalidated their votes and shelled them for eight years. So here we are.

>>513698818
that's not what happened, shitty meme flag bot
go back to r/uhg

hohols never had any working nukes as the codes were always in Moscow

>>513698818
The usa did everything they could to defeat the Russians.

>>513697836
> Choosing sides in Donbass was more of the culture thing, than materialistic.

I'm not surprised if the cultural aspect was ultimately even more important when it came to choosing sides. I just wanted to point out that the materialistic argument "The people in crimea, Donbass etc. would never ever want to join russia, because russia is a shithole, just look at their low GDP!" is utter bullshit - because the alternative was staying in Ukraine, where the GDP is even far worse.

If Russia was as least some slavshit ethnonationalist state then Russia even when poor would be better but they're filled with churkas and now they import millions of Indians and niggers too while reap nationalism is banned there.
Semi rich niggered > poor shit niggered
Simple as.
Russia is clearly unable to create wealth to their puppets meanwhile when we look at poland it's doing very well nowadays with all that German money.

>>513698904
4chin used to be a place where a lot of intelligent people posted, who actually didn't pull shit out of their schizophrenic asses. Now it mostly subhumans that still cling to this anus of a site like a shit dingleberry to a butthole hair. I miss old 4chin.
It's time to migrate out of this gay bar for good.

>>513698157
>Ultimately
Ultimately nobody prevented Ukraine from joining EU, unless you consider economic ocunter offer as hostile act (Eu certainly did and ok'd the coup). NaTO was the problem. But you propagandized faggots keep pretending it's some cultural yoke and not just security. All they had to do was say ok We cool with Russia, no threats. Instead they kept dreaming how NATO invades us and they do what they did in ww2 again, guard death camps and mass murder civilians behind the front line.

>>513698695
>lemme tell you about your nation
Fucking nigger cattle, don't you have some fentanyl to do or slaving away your miserable existence in Walmart?

>>513699332
Quit playing a victim like a nigger. You dirty communists deserved everything the germans tried to do to you for being commies.

>>513699332
Always lying the dirty russians.
I remember when Ukraine was close to make the economic integration pact with the EU but days later the Russian puppet president was ordered to Moscow and when he came back he said they would not accept that deal.
This thing fueled the so called "coup".
Russia dindu nuffins like usual

>>513698279
The "they cannot join the developed world because they are currently fighting russia!" argument is not plausible because they didn't manage to "join the developed world" in the decades before the war either.

Other ex-soviet union countries did, just as you pointed out. But unlike Ukraine, those countries for example are not considered to be one of the corrupt places in the world.

>>513699089
It's not only about GDP. It also was about the future. Through the hardship , maybe. If you were near 2014 maidan and government coup, you could realize how retarded this Ukrainian dreams of Europe were.

>>513699332

>>513699500
>puppet president was ordered
that's what you call russian $15bln cheap loan
>he said they would not accept that deal.
what if... wait for it... what if EU made better new offer? Oh wait they just went with coup as they already paid protestors so why lose money.

>>513698709
>>513698818
>>513698904

>The biggest mistake Ukraine made was giving up its nukes.
Ukraine didn't have any nukes.
Those were russian nukes, built by russian scientists, by russian military.
Since Ukraine was never a country, ever, and it formed as a country for the first time in 1991.
As an agreement of forming Ukraine into its own country, first time ever (which obviously failed),
they agreed with USA and Russia that all russian nukes would be moved back to Russia,
and that Ukaine doesn't have nukes .

We all can see now that Russians did it right forcing Ukraine to not have nukes.
Can you imagine hohol nuclear terrorists?

>>513699629
But there was no coup.
The Russian puppet president was ousted by his own government and instead standing trial for his crimes he rather fleed instantly to Moscow instead.

>>513699424
>r. You dirty communists
>Communist Manifesto - written by Karl Marx when he was in LONDON , UK.
>next to London kings, london banks and 10K london glowniggers.
>who apparently didn't notice
You need to stop believing retarded CIA /Mi6 propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto

>>513699682
>Ukraine didn't have any nukes.
Those were russian nukes, built by russian scientists, by russian military.
I thought Ukraine is Russia and Ukrainians are Russians, isn´t that why Russia wants Ukraine back?

>>513699415
Я нe мoгy гoвopить pyccкый язык хopoшo, нo я пoнимaю тaк aнaмaли.

>>513699682
>never ever
German Empire created Ukraine in 1917.
And there was kievan rus and all that. If you don't believe that counts then Russia was never a nation ever before 1991 too.

>>513696545

>>513699650
Joining the EU didn’t make sense for Ukraine in the first place. They didn’t meet the economic requirements for one so they wouldn’t have been allowed in, and they would have had to take on enormous amounts of debt to get to the point where they can feasibly join. The other problem was Ukraines economy is heavily reliant on Russian imports and exports, and Russia made it very clear any trade agreements they have would get thrown out. Yanokovych weighed his options and made the smart decision, he didn’t even say Ukraine can’t join the EU, just that it wasn’t possible at that time.

EU membership was just a wedge issue, an excuse to topple a government the west didn’t like because the goal was to economically isolate the bad people nation. They already rigged the 2005 election to prevent yanukovych from being president before, the only reason they couldn’t in 2010 was because he won by such a wide margin.

>>513695584 (OP)
Yeah. Btw, why didn't you let them join the EU again?

>>513699823
Yes Ukaine is Russia. It has never existed as its own country.
Russian scientists and russian military made nukes were LOCATED on ukrainian territory,
as the territory closest to the western terrorists and NATO, closest military threat to Russia.
When SU collapsed - ukraine in a territory that it has never ever existed - turned out as a country in 1991 for the first time ever.
>they failed economically as a country.
Yes, "ukraine" is a russian territory. Kiev is a russian city.

>>513695584 (OP)
>Can you really blame Ukrainians for not wanting to be part of russia?
Russians will never understand that the we don't want to live like dogs in total shit.

>>513699720
That's what they say you on tv, right.

>>513699858
Kievan Rus is not a nation, it’s a time period. The term was created to describe a specific point in early Russian history when the capital was in Kiev.

>>513695584 (OP)
Too bad, no one is asking them for their opinion. They and by extension all of Eastern Europe will live in Russian filth.

>>513695584 (OP)
>Going the european way
I will take dirt roads ANY day to tens of millions of niggers and arabs

>>513699934
Imagine winning WWII then having half the world by your balls for decades and you still end up a poorfag shithole.

>>513700001
heh i remember hohols dreaming how they will re export cheap euro stuff to Russia via our trade union and when told Russia will cut the trade on day 1 screamed it's hostile action

>>513700001
kek

>>513700117
Capital of what?
Moscowits were sucking mongol dick at those times and had nothing to do with Kiev.

>>513700055
That's like saying the United States is still British.

>>513695847
>A Ukrainian woman sits next to her dead cow, crying. A friend asks are you crying because your cow is dead? No I'm crying because my neighbours cow isn't dead
And it's true, they drag each other down

>>513695584 (OP)
I never got the hate for commie blocks. They seem efficient.
>You have a lot of people in a relatively small area
>You build appropriate, cheap housing for them
What's the issue here?

>>513700122
YOU are the top freeloaders of EU.
Just leave, nigger.

>>513700127
not to mention all the resources

>>513700150
Before you started the war there was big smuggling operation because European good are simply superior even russians know this.
>we can't allow to get cheap superior products for our citizens we have to stop that.
Russians man....

>>513695584 (OP)
Who blames them?
I just don't want to pay them nor distantiate us from Russia for them.

They just ain't worth much to me.

>>513695643
it's part of the hybrid warfare, everyone is doing it, US, israel, etc, not the EU tho

>>513695584 (OP)

Reminder Kiev Oblast was less developed than Tuva even before 2022.

>>513697070
>the developed world
>Dictatorship
LMAO
Do you have a loicense to fly this flag, Nigel !?

>>513695629
what did he smoke?

>>513700055
>Russian scientists and russian military made nukes were LOCATED on ukrainian territory,
It's fascinating how many people don't understand this btw.
There are so many posts from "Slava Ukraini!"-retards on german Twitter parroting that "Ukraine's biggest mistake was to give up their ukrainian nukes".

The very same people would never ever consider the nukes stationed in germany by and under exclusive control of the US army to be "german" nukes. Or believe that we could somehow get control over them if the US army left germany.

>>513700249
You are retarded, Kiev was sacked twice before the Mongols even showed up, the city was largely irrelevant during that time period. It was also under control of the yoke and for far longer than Moscow.

>>513700622
Nerve gas

>>513700122
You have both, don't kid yourself.
Ever been to budaPEST lately? Lots of sex tourism going on with all sorts of mystery meat muppets patrolling the streets.

>>513695629
the spicnig cycle continues

>>513700831
lmao you wish
>Moscow's eventual dominance in northeastern Rus' was in large part attributable to the Mongols.[7] Moscow drew people and wealth, developed trade links, and established an autocratic political system which exerted a powerful influence on Russian society.[7] After the prince of Tver led an uprising in 1327, the rival prince Ivan I of Moscow joined the Mongols in crushing Tver and devastating its lands. By doing so, he eliminated his rival, allowed the Russian Orthodox Church to move its headquarters to Moscow, and was granted the title of Grand Prince by the Mongols.[30][31]

>As such, the Muscovite prince became the chief intermediary between the Mongol overlords and the Russian princes, which paid further dividends for Moscow's rulers.[31] In the 14th century, the Muscovite princes began "gathering Russian lands" to increase its population and wealth. While the Mongols often raided other territories, they tended to respect the lands controlled by their principal collaborator. This, in turn, attracted nobles and their servants who sought to settle in the relatively secure and peaceful lands of Moscow.[31] Although a Russian army defeated the Golden Horde at the Battle of Kulikovo in 1380, the Mongol domination of Russian-inhabited territories, with the requisite demands of tribute, continued until the Great Stand on the Ugra River in 1480.[30][31]

> Finally, as a result of the Battle of Blue Waters in 1362, Algirdas, Grand Duke of Lithuania, incorporated Kyiv and surrounding areas into the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.[44]

>>513700249
The Rus came to Kiev from Novgorod in the 9th century taking it from the Khazars and moved on to Vladimir in the 12th, a century before the mongols shoved up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Kiev_(1169)

>>513700530
By what metric?

>>513700249
Gentle reminder that Kiev got 404d by Mongolia and got rebuilt by Russians

>>513699682
>can you imagine hohols nuking pidorussia?
Yes, and it would have been glorious. Realistically the russia is a pussy nation that would have never attacked Ukraine if they had nukes.

>>513701110
Tuvas population together is like 5 people and just like chechnya the Russian cucks pay taxes so those areas can look modern and wealthy.

>>513701027
Queef (the proper naming of Kiev, as protoukrs named it after the sound a fart produces, travelling out of a butt) was an irrelevant shithole by 1050, as the Russian nobility and boyars flocked to Suzdal and Novgorod

>>513701238
Because they actually fought against them unlike you who liked to be slaves of your mongol masters.

>>513701027
If you’re going to spam Wikipedia articles at me you could at least remove the citation numbers so it isn’t obvious you’re just copy pasting.

>principle collaborator

W h a t

So we’re just going to ignore dmitri donskoy, Alexander Nevsky, and Ivan the great? Actually fuck it show me the sources for this crap, I’m really curious now.

>>513695584 (OP)
>Going the european way seems like the better deal

You must be kidding, Europe is fucked.

>>513701387
You do understand that he's shilling and the same picture has been posted here a gazillion times

>>513701373
>you never fought
>Russia deleted mongol yoke from history
Nafo historians do be like that

>>513701319
This ain’t the first time I’ve run into this, Ukraine has a history curriculum that’s full of unhinged shit. There was a really funny UN session where the Russian representative just read out passages from
Their 8th grade history book.

>>513701319
>Queef (the proper naming of Kiev...

>>513701387
As a neet I have more purchasing power in PPP than the average Russian wage cuck.
The future will be grim but right now and for many decades to come we are objectively doing much better than poorfag russians.

>flag
You have to go back pigger
Your shit hole is infinitely.poorer and uglier that russia. Ukraine is literally a soviet dump that hasn't seen upkeep in the last 40 years. You've always been a poorer, shittier more corrupt version of Russia. That's why your people migrate to Russia, not vice versa.

>>513701452
>deleted
Just look in a mirror, the Mongols never stopped existing you simply became the new mongol horde.

>>513701378
not my problem you dont have any education even about your own shithole ivan
>So we’re just going to ignore dmitri donskoy, Alexander Nevsky, and Ivan the great?
haha no we shouldnt ignore alexander nevsky and rest of those antiwhite subhumans
>A grandson of Vsevolod the Big Nest, Nevsky rose to legendary status after victories over Swedish invaders in the Battle of the Neva (1240), which earned him the title "Nevsky" in the 15th century, and over German crusaders in the Battle on the Ice (1242). He agreed to pay tribute to the Golden Horde, which allowed him to preserve the Eastern Orthodox Church, while fighting against foreign powers to the west and the south. Macarius, Metropolitan of Moscow canonized Alexander Nevsky as a saint of the Russian Orthodox Church in 1547.

>Regarded long after his death as "one of the great heroes of Russian history",[6] Nevsky is credited with having "saved the Russian people [from Catholicism and being] enslaved by the Germans".[7] Nevsky's successes led his image to be used by Peter the Great in the construction of Saint Petersburg. His image was also used to promote patriotism in the Soviet Union, especially during World War II.[8] The 1938 film Alexander Nevsky cemented Nevsky's reputation as a Russian savior.

and most important part
>Alexander faithfully supported Mongol rule within his own domains. In 1259, he led an army to the city of Novgorod and forced it to pay tribute it had previously refused to the Golden Horde.[49] The chronicles say that Alexander had the help of nobles who "thought [the tax] would be easy for themselves, but fall hard on the lesser men".[50] It then says that "the accursed ones," meaning the Mongols, "began to ride through the streets, writing down the Christian houses".[50] According to Fennell: "the Tatar yoke began not so much during the invasion of Batu into Russia, but from the moment Alexander Nevsky betrayed his brothers".[46]

>>513695643
>Why do so many people on this board attempt to psychologically program me to hate either Russians or Ukrainians?
Like other anons have said = it is hybrid warfare.
Engage in ideological warfare through agents of influence in order to sway public opinion/narrative graft/game theory.
/pol/ is a test bed for narratives and as a storm glass to see what narratives work, what is currently working and what has failed, as well as new techniques, etc.
Because those who engage in this are backed by intelligence agencies who for all intents and purposes have infinite resources and run people in shifts
Whereas, you are just plain old you...

>>513701600
>t. hurensohn

>>513695584 (OP)
>going russian way of judaized oligarchy
>going EU way of jewish capitalism
both options suck

but there is a third way...

>>513701600
>flag
Indeed if you're so proud of Russia then go back to your shithole.

>>513695734
Don't you know, all Russia looks like the old commieblock district on the week when snows thawed, but year round and everywhere.

>>513701319
original name was kijów from polan *kij* which came from proto slavic kyjь
but how could mongol know it

>>513701708
Same with roaches being all proud about roachistan but living in the ghetto in Berlin.

>>513695584 (OP)
Yeah.... No.

>>513701760
I never migrated nowhere Sirgey Pidorenko. However you VILL eventually go the fuck back to Ukraine , that's for sure, before we send our troops, all your able bodies parasites will go back to serve the Ukrainians Army.

>>513701801
Even most of Moscow outside the first ring looks exactly like that.

>>513701844
Same with Mexicans anon

>>513695584 (OP)
>ima faggot
OP worships forced integration with niggers,
which is why they want to force Russian-speaking people
to be citizens of a regime (the "Ukraine")
that openly hates them.

>>513698008
>Well, what's stopping them from "joining the developed world", unlike other countries did that once belonged to the soviet union?
When the Soviet Union imploded the Russians asked then-President Clinton if Russia could join the West.
Literally asked him, to his face.
Clinton said
>Let me go ask some people
Ask? Ask WHO you kid fucking pederast?
You're the goddamned President - WHO do you have to ask?
He came back and said
>"No."
We won. We fuckin won the cold war and they asked to join us.
Clinton and the rest of those Fulda Fucktarded kiked up warmongering Boomer faggots said "No"
Now you sit and ask why they "have not joined the developed world"
Ignorance or Malice.
I am tending towards Ignorance because
a) I am sympathetic to Germany and am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and
b) You are probably not old enough to remember the Soviet Union falling. Maybe you were alive, but you were very young.
Us oldfags watched it happen in realtime.

>>513701910
Yes you're young but your subhuman parents fleed here in the 90s because one of them has a German father/grandfather.
We should have never accepted any of you trash.

>>513701062
You're arguing with a patriotic refugee. It's pointless, anon. This "We wuz kangz and shiet" argument is as retarded as zigger propaganda

>>513700398
>Germ doesn't understand why protecting your nations industries is absolutely vital and necessary.
And this is why we will have unironic German
refugees in Russia in my lifetime and not the other way around.

>>513695584 (OP)
>Can you really blame africans for not wanting to be part of their nigger shithole? Going into white countries seems like the better deal

Ukrainians never take responsibility for why their state was a corrupt shithole for decades. Do you really think that "going the european way" means that they want to uphold laws, fight corruption etc.? They want european salaries and gibs, they don't want to adopt an european mindset. In fact, there is a common theme around ukrs that they're always underappreciated by the EU/US/Russia, how they're the most talented people on Earth but no one notices it. They don't want to change, they feel like they're already great, but they can't help to notice that they're poorer than the russians even, so they talk about "going european way".

AAAAA LET ME OUT
LET ME OOOUT

>>513701452
>Russia deleted mongol yoke from history

Is this how they teach history in Russian schools nowadays?

No wonder so many fools with an extra chromosome are eager to die for Jews in Russia.

>>513701654
Post cranium and hand nafoid
>neet
>jobless boomer daring to educate anybody on the matters of history
lol, said the scorpion, lmao

>>513701833
The origin of xoxol came from Turk pole rapebaby

>>513702301
This. So much this. Jewish Muslims of Russia are trying to genocide white Nazi Christians of Ukraine

>>513701027
>Moscow's eventual dominance in northeastern Rus' was in large part attributable to the Mongols

Isn't that what Ukrainians want in essence, to be dominated by somebody who would bring them wealth and prosperity? Like EU?
I like how this common attempt to denigrate Russia by saying that they sucked Mongol dick is essentially the thing that Ukranians want today: to suck the dick of some other nation that would rule over their rulers and supposedly better than their own elected government. It's not even a sarcasm, they openly talk about how they elect thugs and thieves, but in EU they will be ruled by better elites.

>>513702149
>German refugees
I read the news from exactly 1 family with Russian roots too and they instantly went back because Russia is a shithole.
And we had that already with the soviet Union that protecting industries just for the sake of protecting is a recipe to failure.
Maybe for once Russia actually starts to create good products the people actually want to buy and outcompete others.
No wonder Russia is such a shithole with people with your mindset.
And there's no way euro products would be cheaper and if russians still want them instead of native products then you should ask yourself why this is.

>>513702186
The US needed Ukraine because when gain of function research was banned in the US, some things got grandfathered in but they were on a clock.
They needed to move everything that was not in the US - because developing bioweapons is a no-shit death sentence
That meant they needed a place with first world infrastructure and 3rd world population.
China and Ukraine were perfect
They had what? Dozens of bioweapons labs in Ukraine?
Probably big business in Ukraine - taking payoffs to let these evil faggots run biolabs in your country
Just to make sure things aren't messed with, you color revolution the country and put "your guy" in charge
And then "your guy" who happens to be a failed jew comedian and mediocre actor - and his jewish intelligence agency handler - go Off Menu and start purging the ethnic Russians
Which starts a war
And here we are

>>513702487
The most broken English I’ve seen in a while. Mental deficiency or ESL, which is it

>>513695584 (OP)
>Going the european way seems like the better deal
Honestly I'm not sure these days, not that any other option looks much better.

>>513695627
Because it was under puccia

>>513702619
>calling a German flag ESL
No shit?

>>513702589
>move everything *someplace* that was not in the US
too early
no coffee
had my glasses off

>>513702619
I'm in Germany and the only use for English in my life is this god forsaken board to write with other retarded niggers.
Yeah I'm ESL so what?

>>513702619
So you agree with him?

>>513698670
Why join the west when they couldn't even defeat Africans or Serbians?

>>513695584 (OP)
>seems
maybe for you as you selling your shit to us then pay almost zero taxes locally. People woke up that EU is a big scam so they have to steal elections and arrest people just to keep the whole kibbutz from falling apart.

>>513702735
People without arguments oftentimes change to attack your grammar or you personally.
Hitler spoke about this in Mein Kampf

>>513702816
>I'm in Germany
Note not "I'm German"

Sirgey from Pidorpil Oblast, the Ukraine.

>>513702301
you will literally never be a woman jadnigger

>>513700622
clean air

>>513702429
>Jewish Muslims of Russia are trying to genocide white Nazi Christians of Ukraine

As you wish, Kremlin propagandon.

Meanwhile this is what you and your Jewish masters in the Kremlin believe:

Pic related is a war against Nato, according to official Russian propaganda.

>>513700893
yeah, because they went jewropean way too. Can't you fucking redit troons stop sucking jewropean cock for 1 second or is your job?

>>513695584 (OP)
>Going the european way seems like the better deal
Until you get replaced with Africans and your nation goes extinct in two generations and becomes a caliphate in Europe, and your race goes extinct too by the end of this century.
And the economic development in the first world is going away fast. We'll be at 1985 Soviet levels of development within ten years tops.

>>513703010
Russian vpn doesn’t fit you ngl but the posts are entertaining

>>513702857
Ah yes Serbia won and Africa is a superpower.
Last time I checked it was Russians getting raped in the sahel region and Islamic terrorists are winning. When the French were still there the Islamic niggers had no control at all.
If you call this winning okay.
Hamas is winning too right?

>>513703071
>cheering for inhumane sandniggers just to spite Russia
Checks out

>>513703047
That would be an argument when Russia was some 100% pure slavic wonderland but no in Russia nationalism is banned st least for actual Russian and they're the most Islamic country in Europe too.
Now they get millions of poos too.

>>513703275
I rather cheered for the French when they had the sandniggers under control.
But they trusted Russia and once again trusting Russia is a recipe for failure.
Not my problem. Not my continent.

>>513703317
This. Judeobolshevik Russians are planning to orcify the native indigenous white tribes of Ukraine

>>513701062
The khazarian hypothesis is a debunked antisemitic conspiracy theory. There was never any such thing as any “Khazars”. This is an antisemitic trope. Delete it.

For all Whites who want an end to this war - an end to all Brother Wars - I pray we set aside our differences and join so we can focus on the existential threat that faces us all...
We're gonna might need bullets, but I got a case of Old Damnation waiting for you all.
Just want to sit and have a friendly drink with all of you and leave all the fuckery and subterfuge behind
Próst
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkOEXaRsT3s

>>513703708
But slaveshits getting killed is a good thing for Europe.
Why should we end this war?

>>513703064
In your case, Israeli VPN does fit you much more.

Лaхтaвичoк, зa жидoвcкyю вoйнy ты oтвeтишь в тoм чиcлe. He coмнeвaйcя.

>>513703787
>Why should we end this war?

>>513701295
2-bit fingolian moron, why would they even nuke Russia?
They already got $200 bln from US, and then US gov said no.
They would just be nuclear terrorists and tell US gov give us more billions or we'd nuke a US city .
It is trivial to see this in hohol jews, fingolian anon.

>>513703317
>they're the most Islamic country in Europe too
eurocuck cope
Most of Russia's muslims are indigenous to their regions aka not imported, so they live mostly where their grandfathers lived and don't try to conquer cities and impose sharia laws on white population.
Now the migrant muslims would like to do that, but in terms of imported muslims Europe got much more of them, and unlike Russia, euros don't import actual workforce, they get their muslims straight from war-thorn shitholes, the most radical type. If eurocuck could look and choose, he would prefer to get 100 tatars instead of 1 syrian.

>>513703804
Post id with a timestamp

>>513704480
Ah yes because Moscow and all other cities were always Islamic cities.
Why did Russia accepted mudslimes in their empire in the first place and did not genocided them all when they could like they did with the circassians.
Putin proudly says that he's happy that their mudslimes are breeding so much and growing in numbers while slaveshits have the lowest birth rates in Europe.

>>513703317
That just means neither Russia nor Europe is the answer for Ukraine. And my point stands: Europeanization will lead to Ukrainian extinction through replacement migration and the economic benefits will last only a very short while even if they materialize.
The world needs a new solution, and Ukraine needs it too.

>>513704689
Ukraine is getting muslimised right now and there’s nothing you can do about it

>>513695584 (OP)
1.7

>>513703787
>Why should we end this war?
maybe because if this war ends, globohomo could lose control over your country, and in the future _you_ could actually have a say about what wars to start and to end.
Now your wealth is just sent to ukrainian olygarchs while you larping like you decide whether slavs live or not.

>>513704737
Just look at piland how developed is and how their government is grinst rapefuggers and allows only shitskins who will actually work.
That part is the choice what kind of people Ukrainians vote in but one thing is sure that Ukraine could become the same level in a few decades like Poland is right now.
What has Russia to offer except poverty and endless hordes of churkas and Indians? We all saw the videos of the jew cities Russia occupies how they're already filled with endless mudslime churkas.

>>513705048
Ukraine had 24 years of independence and it killed itself in confusion while EVERY other state flourished, be it Belarus or Poland. It’s dead

>>513704828
Even if Russia gets all of Ukraine and gulaghomo would win then the west would still lose nothing at all.
Ukraine is not nato and neither part of the EU. Ukraine is really not that important.

>>513695584 (OP)
>*chooses the european way*
>*5 years later: 2 million ukrainian casualties just to lose*

>>513704756
that is the whole point of the whole jewish war
russia is being homefront replaced by churkas
while ukraine is being emptied to become new israel where jews own all the land and they import browns to work it
what are the dead ukrainian farmers going to say about it? theyre dead.

>>513697172
Imagine if the southern most parts of Texas - the most Spanish speaking, declared that they want to be independent/a part of Mexico. How do you think that would go?
>>513697836
>>513699089

Kek, look at bambass now, where there is shit literally everywhere in the streets and no running water.

>>513705286
i hate 100% of jews

>>513705189
Russia fucked up so bad they even made the pro Russian zelensky anti Russia.
You created all of that yourself for no real reason at all. Except the fear that Ukraine 2oukd actually become much richer with EU economic integration and then Russian leaders could no longer show their peasants that they have it great and are at least not poorfags like Ukrainians.

>>513704689
>Why did Russia accepted mudslimes in their empire in the first place
imagine having muslims that don't gather in rape gangs, don't try to impose sharia laws on you, live where their grandfathers lived, pay taxes etc. You probably can't, because you don't import that kind now, maybe the first wave of Turks were close to that, but now you import the bottom of the barrel. But Russia actually have it in some regions, and they were like this for centuries, that is why it would be stupid to get rid of them.
The migrant muslims are completely different, more like the kind you have, but the "old" muslims are opposed to them just like the White russians are. Again, it would be hard for you to imagine that some muslims would ally with whites to oppose migrant scum

>>513705048
Points taken. But still, with catastrophic fertility rates, Eastern Europe will have a very hard time keeping the third world out until this massive wave of third world population growth subsides, probably late this century.
Many of the diehard anti-immigration groups will have second thoughts, and some will change their positions, when the labor shortages are so severe that maintaining certain basic functions of society becomes difficult to impossible. Nearly no modern person will accept going back to a way of life from the 1700s.
Any good solution for the modern West and for Ukraine requires a couple successive baby boom generations.

>>513700055
>retarded niggerbabble from a retard who doesn't know any world history

>>513705286
Trump said a different thing and he has actual sources from the highest level and not Internet generals

>>513705407
Ah yes Russian mudslimes are all model citizens lmao that's what the Russian state says. You dirty coloniser are what the Soviets tried to create the new soviet man a total slave to state authority and who believes everything the state says.

>>513705405
>Except the fear that Ukraine 2oukd actually become much richer with EU economic integration
hohol confmired. Only ukrs tie their supposed admission to EU to instant enrichment, and only ukrs dream about not only to live better, but to shove it in russians' face
Imagine russians FEARING that some neighbouring contries being richer than them. It's like they don't have finns, balts, poles on their borders already. Was Putin toppled because poles have better salaries? Delusional
Enjoy your refugee gibs while you can, retard

>>513698695
>there is literally no limit of the depravity they're unable to tolerate.
the meek shall inherit

>>513695627
after puccia invaded mb

>>513695584 (OP)
They had every chance to be European. Russia took Crimea and left them alone. IMF gave them billions to become European. But it is easier to fuck with Russia and take western money for fucking with Russia instead of finding a real job for Ukraine and be European. Mark my words, Ukraine will be the same shithole for at least another 50 years regardless Russia or not. If Ukraine in 2022 had already had $4K a month average salary, I would support them but Ukraine is just just a commie shithole who wants to live off the wealthy western nations.

>>513705410
You can't just create a high fertility rate not even Hitler could do that back then.
Either we make abortions illegal and rape legal or we will have a 1918 style revolution to completely replace the current endles growth capitalist system.
Shutskins are retarded subhumans and our social systems will not survive for every 5 shitskins we import only 1 will actually work. The system will crash down no matter what.

>>513705916
>and left them alone
You're an idiot, or a paid troll. Russia started the stealth Eastern Ukraine invasion right after the annexation of Crimea.

>>513705754
Poles and fins are not russians and Ukrainians are like they believe. So that's different.
If ukro niggers become part of the EU then they will be swarmed by companies opening factories there for the cheap labour and millions besides the millions already here will flood the west and get big money wish they can ship back to Ukraine.
It will be like usual a bad thing for west Europe but at the end Ukraine will become much richer.
That's exactly how it happened with poland.

>>513698695
The West is will look like this as well if we dont start deporting shitskins though

>>513705916
When Ukraine was to finish the EU economic integration deal the Russian puppet president was ordered to Moscow and days later he suddenly said that this deal will not happen.
Ans soon later Russia invaded 2014.
>Ukraine had the chance
Clearly not.

>>513696545
what a copium

>>513695627
>>513695627
>>513695627

>>513706176
>get big money wish they can ship back to Ukraine
ukrs don't want to rebuild the Ukraine, they want to move out from Ukraine, especially the wealthy. Imagine all rich poles having their kids living outside Poland, and prominent polish politics grabbing corruption money and moving to US. They fucking steal the money the West sends them even now, in the middle of their sacred war meant to protect the nation from the russian horde. So no, if received money equal to Poland, they would not become another Poland, they will stay the same corrupt shithole but with more olygarchs living in the West. They are proving this for 30+ years, nothing ever changes for the better

>>513695584 (OP)
Two words that are being erased from dictionaries:
Sovereignty and Neutrality

>>513706609
Those are unironically mote aryan than me as a German lmao.
Third reich genetic theories were wrong in some ways especially the aryan stuff but at those times it was hard to really proof anything because dna testing was invented only decades later.

>>513706674
It started now that more poles move out of Germany than they come here since it is so developed now and wages are high.
Like I've said first they will flood Europe and maybe 2 decades later many will go back home.
It would be possible but as of right now bring even more corrupt than Russia running their country like a military dictatorship they will not be allowed in the EU for a long time until they fix their shit. Or the EU will break their own rules like usual and just take them in.
I don't know.

>>513705919
I'm saying that yes, it's unrealistic to hope for sudden growth in white fertility rates, and no matter how resistant some countries in Eastern Europe are now toward the prospect of mass immigration, they will be apt to change their tune when modernity starts to break down. Even Poles will feel the pressure very strongly, for example when they are saddled with far too many elderly folks with far too few working people to support them. This is already happening, but it will become exponentially worse. When the choice many people are facing is to be old with hardly any help or financial support, or one of their kids needs to quit his or her job to take care of the elderly parents, then many Poles etc. will begin to think that migrants are a necessary evil.
Of course, work requirements would be enacted for migrants, as, absolutely, welfare leeching by third world immigrants cannot last long. And at the collective and national levels, it would be better for the elderly of the future (basically us) to be left to die on our own than to implement the alternative of bringing in migrant workers. But at the personal and family levels, it will make a lot of sense to begin supporting controlled migration to Eastern European countries.
Later this century, there just won't be many migrants available to fill in labor gaps, since the whole world is now replacement levels of fertility except Sub-Saharan Africa. South American and Indians etc. populations will remain high for decades to come due to the longevity enabled by modern medicine, but only black Africa will be able to serve as a source for mass importation of migrants a couple decades from now. Then Africa will peak later this century, according to demographic analyses based on rates of declining fertility and increases in lifespans.
Keeping the third world out forever will be a task requiring constant vigilance and a lot of hard attitudes toward one's own people.

>>513707222
Basically, if some white countries can make it to the start of the next century with mass third world immigration, then the waves of third world immigrants attempting to get in will have stopped and the problem will resolve itself.
The struggle is to keep the migrant hordes out for the next 70 years or so.

>>513707222
>can make it to the start of the next century with mass third world immigration
*without mass third world immigration

>>513705916
>left them alone
You are either retarded or you are willingly spreading Kremlin propaganda. It is hard to tell since a lot of Russian i've met were really stupid.

>>513702440
This is a foundational behavior for these lands though.
Rurik was invited to rule over the what would become Rus because locals were more willing to put trust in him than in local clans.
So were the various princes invited to rule over the cities by the local veches. So were Lithuanians invited to rule over what would become the Lithuanian Rus.
Without this, Rus only ever saw endless succession wars. Historically, the land called Rus is about the powers with the currently held mandate protecting the turf from the rest of power seekers like a mafia. Even the Russian Civil war falls into the same category with commies being given the mandate by the population because they were the only ones to offer to be pro-people's interests.

>>513707222
The problem is our social system makes more sense to be a neet than to work some shitty job and we give every worthless nigger welfare.
We need to completely destroy much of the social system but that's like taking away from a baby all of his toys. The population will go apeshit and no political party dares to touch that problem because it would be political suicide for the entire party.

>>513695584 (OP)
It all started because some Ukrainians wanted to become Russians

>>513707222
A system like the DDR had could actually work where migrants were put in a ghetto close to the work and they were not allowed to have relationships with the natives and them getting pregnant even with fellow migrants was forbidden and gave forced abortion.
Such a system I would support. But what we have now is ridiculous.

>>513695584 (OP)
Have you been to Europe recently? It's same shit, but with hoards of diversity and druggies

>>513695584 (OP)

>>513708273
How is Saudi Arabia where Saudis are almost a minority in their own country?
And I mean for normal fags not some royalty oil right niggers.

>>513699682
More importantly they didn't have the codes.