Thread 513745159

>People claim that the economy is 'struggling'
>Americans are constantly buying expensive new trucks and cars

Something doesn't add up...

I can cound the number of 450 pickups I’ve seen irl on one hand.
That said, new car prices are indeed crazy high. The lots look pretty full, so I guess enough people are buying them to keep the lights on, or maybe it’s the mechanics keeping the dealers going. Additionally the prices of shitboxes seems to have dropped to almost reasonable levels.

>>513745159 (OP)
>renting to own it is buying

>>513745463
>Buy 89 Chev shitbox.
>Install lift kit.
>Restore most of it.
>Less than 10g.


I will never understand or comprehend why and how people can afford new trucks they just trade down every time they lose their job.

>>513745159 (OP)
Yes, you’re right, the roads are full of F-450 Platinums

>>513745159 (OP)
can't you write this whole payment off on your taxes now?

>>513745159 (OP)
>Guaranteed CPM pump that will grenade and fail before 70k miles, because the USA has no sulfur in their Diesel.
>That will be $18,000 to repair.
Land of the free my ass.

>>513745159 (OP)
>mericans are constantly buying expensive new trucks and cars
no they aren't. the new car market is a mess. inventory from 2022 is still sitting on lots. no one is buying new cars, especially not new trucks.

>>513745159 (OP)
I think most people are leveraged to their tits anon. There are a lot who have done very well since the pandemic though.

>>513745159 (OP)

nothing lets me know that you have a small penis more than driving one of these.

>>513750109
Why are you so obsessed with cock size, faggot?

>>513745159 (OP)
The pajeets here have a tow truck mafia where they operate illegal towing businesses and these trucks are the ones they use, alongside the big GMC trucks

>>513750238

Because it feels pretty damn good knowing that I'm walking around with a venerable cannon in my pants when compared to you sissies in boots.

>>513749749
If you have a business you can write off a certain percentage. Section 179 of the tax code. Makes these things reasonable

>>513745159 (OP)
Americans need these massive trucks to haul their fat asses and their fat bitch wives to the nearest Wal-Mart. They need lifted suspension in case they want to drive over a curb or run over a toddler (it's fine, he would've been a school shooter in the future anyway).

>>513749810
Negative
t. 170k on the higher mileage one

>>513745452
info

>>513749859
yeah you are right; idk if this retard >>513745159 (OP) is trolling or not

>>513745159 (OP)
You have to be a retard to think a 50/60k truck costs 120k. They literally inflated the price years ago after realizing narcissists are suckers who have no concept of what things used to cost and their actual value.

>>513745159 (OP)
Americans aren't but spics seem to have no problem affording them. I'm sure it has nothing to do with all those truck lots full of trucks unable to be sold a few years ago.

>>513750588
That made me LOL. Shitposting Aussies will never not be funny.

>>513745463
Illegals and niggers get free car money. Helps snap up used cars and prop up new car prices.

>Trucks cost $100,000!!!
>How much for truck
>$100,000
>you take $75?
>of course I will, I'm salaried salesman

>>513745463
It's what I predicted would happen. They are selling cars only to rich people soon by inflating the price.

Just buy a HRV

>>513745159 (OP)
Maybe if the EPA and chicken tax didn't kill off the small truck market where the last new model sold in the US was in 2012, they wouldn't be so expensive.

>>513749749
Just the interest no? Not the payments.

>>513750749
that's a 450 platinum trim, they've always been retard expensive. they're meant for hotshotters who make good money.
the problem is the half tons. ford/gm/statardus were only making high end models for the last few years, which pushed prices through the roof. an xl 4x4 half ton should cost ~40-45k. good luck finding one though.

America has a caste system I cant define it all. But many are in a psedo middle class that is all debt based identity

>>513750893
So MSRP on a pretty decent one?

>>513745159 (OP)
Who even needs a car like that
Americans must like living luxuriously

>>513750918
>i can't define it
i can. kikes, white goyim, and niggers
>>513750934
that's probably in the ballpark. 120k echoes of 10 years ago.

>>513750893
It's meant to be a cash grab from rich people. It's a marketing scam.

My fleet after relocating
1. 1998 Ford Escort wagon = 35MPG
- $500, came with new battery and snow tires. I have invested
- New struts (total pain) $300
- New summer tires $400
I have driven it 14,000 MI so far
Insurance + Non-insured motorist + roadside is 50/m

2000 F350 7.3
Cost = $0 (No one else could get it running)
This was a gift from my boss as it sat for 7 years.
Total investment
- New heater bowl $60
- 2 new batteries $500
- Door lock actuators $30
- wireless key fobs $15
- New door locks and ignition $25

It also had about $2000 of suspension in the back seat, I havent dont that yet.

It gets about 16-17 MPG going over the mountainpass, which is where they are supposed to be, but it makes a little piffing noise, so probably exhaust leak somewhere.

Never buy new, anything, its all shit. Total shit designed to break after 100k.

Anything after 2006 is garbage for the most part.

>>513751075
i have no opinion on what rich retards buy as their mall crawler, but the intended purpose of that truck is hot shotting. of course it gets used by octogenarians to pull their pop up camper and office drones to go to the store.

It doesn't bother me what vehicle people drive, that's a lame thing to worry about. What bothers me is HOW people drive. A vehicle like this should require an advanced license which you can only obtain by working your way up from a little jelly bean baby shoe car and having zero accidents etc.

Nobody is entitled or Constitutionally enabled to drive any vehicle of arbitrary size on the road. I rented a 30-something foot moving truck, kinda like a box van or whatever, the big Ryder truck to move one time and I could have easily crushed any normal car or SUV like it was an insect. I don't think it would have even slowed me down lol. I became great at driving that thing but any shmoe can rent one - that's the crazy aspect to this long story. Those are massive compared to an F450.

>>513751107
>Never buy new, anything, its all shit. Total shit designed to break after 100k.
Boomer perception.

>>513750978
Yeah there are plenty in the 40-50k range for half tons, paying over MSRP is for fools

>>513745159 (OP)
yup, things are getting real bad and I'm not sure how poor fags are coping without getting into substantial debt.

>>513751239
well it is true, have you heard of recalls?

>>513751272
i haven't looked in a few months but just found this near me. not a bad deal. 4x4 with the 2.7l which i guess is the new base engine. the 10r80 kind of scares me though, been hearing horror stories about working on them

the 2.7 in my truck from 2015 has been pretty bulletproof up to 200k.

>>513745159 (OP)
it's on debt at astronomic % because most people may be adults legally but aren't financially and mentally. Appearing successful is more important than living under your means. Debt delinquency is steadily growing and it's one of the most concerning indicators amongst other econ concerns.

>>513745159 (OP)
It's a very strange economy. My clients are much richer than me, and they're all getting way richer. My earnings are at all-time highs, as are the values of my real estate properties, and my stocks. It's all gone wacko. My stocks were up about 6% just today, and there have been many days like that recently. Everyone I consider a peer is getting richer faster than expected. That said, the stuff I'm interested in buying is also going up pretty quickly. But my debt is locked in at fixed rates, so the amount of cash I have to spend now is frankly shocking to me. I am not unusual. Too much money printing is coming home to roost.

>>513751416
Recalls aren't a new thing sweetie. Boomers think texhnology goes backwards, the flip phone is superior to a smart phone. Everything new = bad. 56k is faster than fiber.

>>513750892
If the truck is owned by your business then the payments are a business expense you can do both. The stuff about interest only is new and for personal use vehicles. Having your own company as a tax dodge is the American dream and whitey hasn’t caught on for the most part.

>>513751489
They really aren’t that bad, I’d probably spring for crew cab and 5.0 if I was looking for one

>>513745159 (OP)
Fucking despise these oversized turds. Gay manicured vehicles with delusions of working class credentials.

>>513749974
nah, I own a nice car and it's paid for. retards pay interest

>>513745463
I see them around here but they're pulling a flatbed with farm/construction equipment on it worth more than the truck

>>513745159 (OP)
nobody owns those outright
I own my shit bucket outright,I am richer than most men in a way
it's mine bish,same for the house

>>513745159 (OP)
Inmale $140k and I absolutely cannot afford the new SUV my wife has been asking me for.
I kept explaining that $75k at 8% APR over 72 fucking months is going to be like $1600/mo minimum, and for six fucking years. That used to be what mortgages cost.
Women don't understand this shit.
And now used cars cost nearly as much!

>>513750109
you don't buy one of those unless you're going to be pulling very heavy trailers. they get poor gas mileage and they're difficult to find parking for in regular lots

>>513745159 (OP)
Americans have to buy those because Mexicans buy all the 90s Rangers.

>>513750636
>Negative
>t. 170k on the higher mileage one
What year is your truck, does it even have a CPM?
Do you put diesel fuel additives in the tank?

>>513751777
actually we have to buy them in the north because trucks don't last longer than 15 years, gm's last about 5. salt destroys everything regardless of how much fluid film you splooge all over it.

>>513751777
>Embrace tradition - return to Datsun

the word credit is from Latin
>credere = to believe

>>513751716
have you considered a margin loan against your investment account? if you self finance like that you'll get a much lower APR

>>513749749
In 2025, we can write off the interest of cars that are Made in America enough. If you pay $2000 in interest a year, you might save $400 on your taxes.

>>513751777
>Americans have to buy those because Mexicans buy all the 90s Rangers.
Americans dump them for peanuts when that timing cover gasket goes.

>>513751834
22. Don’t know exactly what CPM pumps mean but I’m assuming it’s the cp4 style pump as that’s the main gripe about running low sulphur diesel. Only run additives when I remember but most of the time I don’t on the road.

>>513751716
Wow it's like the great reset is happening. The 12% who own a home, and 88% who do not. Have/have not society.

>>513745159 (OP)
wealth inequality is up
i think you have more rich people than before, but you also have more poor people too
the middle class is shrinking and that means the expensive things get more expensive, less restaurants, and less job security

They put themselves into debt anon

>>513745159 (OP)
The fuck repo man gonna do

>>513745159 (OP)
Up until 5 minutes ago, F450s were strictly work trucks for commercial or municipal fleets purchased at special dealerships. Most private citizens aren't even aware these exist.

t. F450 owner

>>513751847
>actually we have to buy them in the north because trucks don't last longer than 15 years, gm's last about 5. salt destroys everything regardless of how much fluid film you splooge all over it.
I moved from Chicagoland area to the south where they don't salt the roads. Steel stock doesn't really rust when stored outside, in Illinois it would get horrible rust within a year.
>>513752070
Yeah CP4, you should probably replace yours soon then and count your blessings before it grenades everywhere in your fuel system. Or start putting sulfur additive consistently in the fuel tank.

>>513752260
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. Owning shit sucks.

>>513751528
If you're invested, you've probably seen 20% already this year. That means fuck all to Joe Schlub whose $40k retirement went up to $48k. But it means a lot to a guy like me with $1m in the market. I have made more money in stocks than my actual job for 3 straight years.
All that does is increase the rift between the haves and have-nots. I feel like I'm cheating seeing $250k-300k added to my net worth in a year, when all I did was put money in stocks.
Most of my peers are bitching and moaning about company match on their 401k, as if $4-5k makes a difference in life.
I look down at my phone at 8am and see +$12k movement and all I've done is take a shit so far.
The gap is only going to grow. Or the dam will break and this whole scam will collapse. I'm an itty bitty small fry. Imagie what guys with $10m invested are seeing. $4m in a year for nothing but investing? Crazy.

>>513752268
I think most people having issues are just running absolute garbage fuel

>>513745159 (OP)
where i live, in the past few months I've NEVER seen MORE
>recently purchased vehicle "dealer plates"
on SO MANY VEHICLES in all my life

is there some kind of subsidy the state of washington is providing to colored people that allows them to get a new car for free or some shit?

>>513751932
I have not. Thanks for the tip! I refuse to wirhdraw from my investment funds because they make more money than I do. I will look into this.

>>513752504
You literally walked into a thread about the trucks and started yelling about Jews. Take your meds.

>>513752495
>I think most people having issues are just running absolute garbage fuel
Chances are regionally all your fuel comes from the same place. The only "cheap" fuel I feel good about putting in my cars is if its a loss leader for some supermarket.

>>513752717
i never once mentioned jews in the text of my post

however, the image i posted DOES mention the fact that a PLETHORA of canaanites moved to washington state after they were kicked out of the former ottoman empire as it collapsed

do you live in seattle and have a huge afro growing from your head?

you do, don't you

>>513752422
>Owning shit sucks
It does indeed. Sadly, you can't get even get a basic van with a V8 for under $50k so you don't have much choice but to deal with with older vehicles.

>>513745159 (OP)

People who buy these kinds of trucks are always retards. Every single time. Legitimately are retarded.

>>513752717
OH how silly of me -- you caught me

i DID mention jews in the text of my post

>>513752504
>colored people

>>513752560
i know that feel, currently unemployed but I'm up 55k in the last 3 months just by holding

>>513745463
I see 1 or 2 a month, look sweet, nothing compared to the 650 conversions. I drive the work version of the 450/550 everyday.

>>513752463
nominal growth paired with trade war turmoil in supply chains, unreported/unclaimed unemployment (everyone doing gigs), no affordable housing with mostly unaffordable/unwanted housing being built with interest rates high and steady. You are seeing stock value growth but it's mostly driven by capital looking for a warm place to park that isn't currently failing. It's warped market situation that will whiplash backwards. Billion dollar question is when and how.

>>513745452
Does it go to eleven?

>>513753228
>I drive the work version of the 450/550 everyday
Same, with a pre-emissions 7.3 diesel. The thing is a battle tank, the step-up to medium duty is no joke

>>513753230
A very interesting take. It sure does seem like fantasy money at this point. I do know the earnings vs. valuation ratios are all kinds of of wacky now. Companies trading at 30x their actual income, how the fuck?
It sure seems like it ought to collapse, but we've been past the insanity line for a while now, so maybe this is just the new norm? A generational ponzi scheme? A lie so big they can't allow it to be exposed?

>almost 200k for a truck
kek

>>513753501
Our 450 rattles your teeth loose. Our 550 feels boaty but that's because of the utility box on it's back.

>>513745159 (OP)
https://www.spglobal.com/automotive-insights/en/blogs/2025/05/average-age-of-vehicle-in-us
it is struggling, and you're a fag

>>513745159 (OP)
I bought a heavy duty luxury truck during Covid, 65000, but it was in California, so 10,000 in taxes and registration.

>>513749749
no lawful money
accept for value exempt from levy the first bill they send you
invoke ucc 1-308
send the bill to the treasury
collapse this whole fucking corrupt fraudulent system

>>513745159 (OP)
Imagine how small your dick must be to consider buying that to commute to wal mart and back

>>513745159 (OP)

Hrmm...new M5 or White Trash Dually.

>>513750588
I can't even argue with that

>>513751847
they use gravel instead of salt where i live

>>513753853
WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN

>>513753884
>rattles your teeth loose
No doubt, I'm sure I have kidney damage. It's funny to see this being made into a luxury vehicle when mine doesn't even have front coil springs

>>513745159 (OP)
>truck thread

>>513745159 (OP)
I gotta say I like the front end if thats the next gen. I cant afford a Platinum dually 1 ton. I dont really need to be rated to tow 32 grand. As a guy that owns a modern 3/4 dont get black paint. Looks a 100 feet deep at first but so susceptible to damage and scratches and hard water stains. Impossible to remain clean

>>513750974
They don't, if you look into it, these guys are sitting for lots for very long times, and it impacts the auto industry. We're dangerously close to it bottoming out again. These trucks and modern vehicles are not selling.
For cars and homes, everything is just barely hanging together by a thread and it's not going to last much longer.

>>513745463
>Additionally the prices of shitboxes seems to have dropped to almost reasonable levels.

Wait till the glut of used cars and pickups that illegals left behind hit the market. You won't be able to give them away in some locales.

>>513745159 (OP)
>Something doesn't add up...

or perhaps Americans are just terrible with their money.

>>513750854
In the next few yrs pretty much all that will be available will be smaller pickups. Hybrid versions will be real common.

Then you'll see a brief FOMO surge in used prices for the gigantic pavement pounder F350 KING DICK ULTRA MAX EL HEFE HIGH TOP GRANDE SUPER WIDE era of pickups. Probably around 2030.
It's all cycles and trends for the retards who can't even into maintaining a used vehicle for years and not losing their ass in depreciation. All it'll take is a lack of this type of pickup and people being bored with small pickups. Then they start see 20yo pavement pounders on Instagram and they'll run out and overpay for one to show off on their own social media and the cycle continues, etc.

>>513749434
Added Bonus: No EDR (Basically a Black Box)

>>513745159 (OP)
>Emotional support vehicle

it has ugly semi truck wheels, why would you want a premium model of this? wtf

>>513754540
>Oh noooo, I can't keep my commercial vehicle clean!
>How will I keep it looking pristine while I'm doing tough and manly things like driving through puddles and transporting gravel?

>>513755692
Best kind of wheels desu. Far better than some wigger wheels

>>513755692
All of this is a gimmick including the price. When businesses / govt go to buy these things, all you get is a cabin-drivetrain-frame, that's it. You then go to a third party to outfit it (bucket truck, tow truck, etc). These base model work trucks are actually surprisingly cheap, you can get a new one for under $60k

>>513755692
Wtf that’s shits manly and hardcore as fuck them grills get me hard son

>>513754638
Already happening. Truck prices are down 40% in my area. Illegals are getting disappeared every night and they're freaking the fuck out on social media. Sympathizers who alert to vehicle ID just show cops that they just need to rotate vehicles or just round them up with no plates.

>>513745159 (OP)
they go into debt for these vehicles because there are no affordable options and the used market is fucked too and the car centric infrastructure demand vehicle ownership to have a life.

>>513745159 (OP)
you need that to get pussy though

>imagine buying a 23+ superduty. Ill wait until 27 when they release the limited gem green emissions free version. CCLB F450 XL
The 12in center screens have too small a power wire and have been burning the trucks down. Chad XL with platinum junkyard master race report in

f450 is for work.

>>513745159 (OP)
>i want to trade in my 2 year old truck for a new truck
>ok! you still owe 60k so were going to credit you 45k for your trade in against the new truck which cost 85k! your total financing is now 100k, congratulations on your new truck!
>heh look at my new truck guys
everytime

>>513749810
Just get the S&S stanadyne pump and run hydrodiesel and never worry about it again. Once you swap out that pump the 17-22s are bulletproof.

>>513759235
Trucks are probably the best at holding value though, I traded one in and after like 30k miles it lost about 7k? It looks retarded but it does honestly work, not even getting into tax benefits

>>513745159 (OP)
it adds up because your orange messiah is leveraging the one thing he knows the US currently has over everyone else in the world. A hyper consumerist society more than willing to go into deep debt for everything they want in their lives

>>513753884
My 450 is smooth as silk when used as intended, with lots of weight in the back or the hay trailer or 5th wheel

>>513745159 (OP)
The USA screams about the free market but wont let BYD/China trucks that are way better and have a bigger truck space. It is crazy! It's not even about MUH china scary, they just can't compete!

>>513745159 (OP)
Cars built in the last 15 years last really well. Nobody needs new cars. Only niggers do that on finance.

>>513759235
I got mine for our farm during the coof, before that i used an old f150 but was sketchy with 20k hay loads.
>during coof they werent getting built, after negotiating with close to a hundred dealerships ordered four hoping one got made
>while waiting found a 2wd cclb 6.7, new, sitting on lot in northern washington for almost two years. Offered to buy it for invoice to get it off their hands, they got real buttmad but finally accepted. 52k on a 68k sticker.
>cclb 4x4 with the 7.3 gas actually got built six months later. They offered me 72k for my 2wd one. From order to build msrp increased from 65 to 76, my out the door net trade was 50k for a much better truck
>fuggin third truck was built two months later, stickered at 80k or so, my out the door ended up being 40 after trades and incentives
Needless to say this 450 is my forever truck. Was meant to be. Other two never got built

>>513759720
So i dont trust small displacement engines like that with so much weight behind them. I change my oil every 3k but i dont want to HAVE to do it every 3 or have engine failure before 100k. But ive seen them be great as fleet vehicles where they are just moving less than a ton around town all day. As long as they get those oil changes...

>>513755719
You guys dont even have a full size at this point. Im just saying dont get black. It shows every solitary blemish and youll go crazy

>>513754667
I'm getting this.
1990-1993 Chevy 454SS
Only came in black with red interior
Sport mirrors, fog lights, air dam
It was a single cab, short bed 2wd light pickup with the drive train from a 3/4 ton truck stuffed in.
454cu big block engine and unique 14 bolt rear axle with 5 on 5 wheel bolt pattern

>>513745159 (OP)
Mutts aren't buying shit
they're leasing

>>513751489
>>513759720
kek. a 2.7 litre full sized truck for $40k is whack. im almost ashamed my silverado has a 4.8 v8 in it instead of the 5.3 but it was a hand me down work truck from my gpa who passed away and it only has 71,000 miles on it so i cant really complain. oh yeah and he only paid $25k for it in 2008. new vehicle prices are insane.

>>513745159 (OP)
Our economy warped. My neighbor was just bragging to me that he makes more money retired than when he was working.

>>513745159 (OP)
>muricans drive this without cdl license

>>513761261
I wanted a chevy 454 for a long time. My little brother had a dakota r/t for a few years and it was pretty sweet but obviously more of a "street truck".

>>513745159 (OP)
im 29 and have never owned a new vehicle. i work 60 hrs a week as a plumber and could never afford these new car prices. ive been driving a 2015 tacoma i got for 20k in 2017.

>>513759042
>and the used market is fucked too

Yes, but not in the sense that you're implying.
Used sale prices hit the wall in late 2022 and have been steadily nose diving ever since. The one thing that was keeping the market somewhat above water was illegal immigrants. Even just a 25% reduction in that population will prove catastrophic for used pickup values. It's already happening in areas where illegal migration had flourished.
I'll probably go back next March and through October to see friends and family. I'll likely grab a dozen clean used pickups and stuff them in my family's machine shed and sit on them until the market rebounds in 8-10 yrs or so. That's probably when you'll see a spike in demand for certain types of fullsized pickups again.
The used car market was how I was able to retire early and live abroad at 38yo.


T. Private used car dealer, sans the license, from 2009-2020.

>>513745159 (OP)
You can write off trucks >6000 lbs gross vehicle weight on your taxes completely if you have a small business. They're literally free

>>513755692
Asymetry thats they wants. Same 4 wheels is cheap beta. Different wheels rich chud alpha.

>>513764084
its not really free, it just potentially puts you into a lower tax bracket.

i am just trying to find the inner motivation to finish fixing my 05 tacoma. because my 99 ram needs a new steering gear.

but i just don't care, about anything.

>>513745159 (OP)
These were always hella expensive. A six year old one is almost 70k

>>513750588
I ride a bicycle, always see them racing each other to be first at the red light for some reason. Then I pass them a minute later.

>>513762644
My 2.7 can pull 10k no problem. It's a solid engine, albeit turbo slop. It's a fine engine

GVW is the single most important safety factor in collisions not involving passenger ejections.

>>513745159 (OP)
>post-1960s america needs cars to function
>cars are suddenly 2.5x more expensive
>wow americans must have tons of money

>>513745452
This has continued to fall and is at 36.8 weeks as of July.

>>513763952
I'm 30 and I'm about to drop $79k cash on a brand-new Kia Carnival.
I work in a desk job that's so easy that my watch sometimes thinks I've taken a nap.

>>513761261
god was that engine a dog, buy a set of aluminum head right off the bat otherwise one of the million 300hp/350ci will smoke you by a mile

>>513765644
doesnt australia have china cars? do they have taxes on them that makes them expensive. not sure why you would opt for a korean car instead of a china car.

>>513749749
Why do people always mention this as if a tax write off means it’s free? It just means you just save some money on your taxes. You still have to pay for the purchase.

>>513761261
Man, that would sell like hotcakes if reintroduced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-MQYck2xt8

>>513745159 (OP)
Local governments and police forces literally give people cars now

Sorry you are not in the club lol

>>513766359
what? Why would I be a police officer.

>>513745159 (OP)
>>Americans are constantly buying expensive new trucks and cars

they aren't, these vehicles are piling up unsold.

>>513764084
It's only free if you pay 100% tax. It's more like 30-35% cheaper
>>513764886
Nobody is buying these to drop a tax bracket, it's just a write off

>>513745159 (OP)
Don't be so fooled by our creditfags, I have very little in the way of money and a 715 credit score, It wouldn't be a thing for me to go trade in my 2004 Honda on a new one right now for payments on a new one and LARP as a richfag doing well, but people do it everyday.

>>513750974
They don't. They'e forced to drive overpriced clown cars because normal cars are illegal in their dystopian hellhole. It's all about demotivating and humiliating them.

>>513751528
>>513752463


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