Thread 513751852

>be “good” and “perfect”
>create everything evil in the world
Why is god like this? If he hates evil so much, why did he create it and allow it to continue?

>>513751852 (OP)
To have free will.

>>513751399
>pro israel thread fails
>posts this instead

>>513751852 (OP)
>I just had to create pedophiles, it's in my plan

>>513751930
Imagine having the power to destroy all evil and not doing it. That’s like having a button that kills all niggers and kikes, but never pressing it.
>>513752034
Trust the plan, 2 more millennia and it will all come together.

>>513751852 (OP)
>Blaming God for the sins of humanity
The goto lazy atheist argument

>>513751852 (OP)
God writes his name in hebrew letters, so what does that tell you

>>513751852 (OP)
If god exist he hates us all

because originally yahweh was from a polytheistic pantheon and yadda yadda yadda here we are

>bad thing happen
>idiot thinks this means god isn't real
many such cases
sad!

>>513752562
>hebrew
was invented roughly a hundred years ago. the bible was written in greek and the jews spoke aramaic

>>513752506
>be a perfect and good god
>create evil humans
Yes nigger, god specifically created evil. He is directly responsible. I’m not an atheist, I just think the abrahamic view of god is retarded. God is real, but he is not some le epic good and perfect guy who likes foreskins a little too much.

>>513751852 (OP)
Good cannot exist without evil, simple as. The second you start to become aware of evil and especially when you are surrounded by it you have to make a strong effort to stay above it, most choose to not do so and suffer more as a result. I don’t stress about life, I just primarily do good things (mostly in private) and as a result I get what I want out of life. That’s all it takes. Not to say everyone else can be as lucky as I have been but every good and bad thing is temporary in this world anyway, so who cares about evil that much when most days in nearly any given person’s life are pleasant around the world nowadays?

>>513751852 (OP)
God isn't all knowing, all powerful, and all loving.
Simple as.

>>513751852 (OP)
It’s been decades and the best atheists have is STILL
>if god real why bad thing happen
At some point we are going to have to accept atheism is a mental disability.

>>513752622
>make a post criticizing the abrahamic concept of god
>idiot thinks this means I am an atheist
>>513752683
The hebrew language is mentioned in ancient sources, retard. The old testament was originally written in hebrew.

>>513752273
The fuck would you even know about how to destroy ALL evil, you spiritually dead shambler?

>>513752876
>mentioned in ancient sources
you're the retard. the jews are a bunch of bullshit artists. they had no great kingdoms or achievements. the whole thing is fiction.

>>513752865
>if god real why bad thing happen
Strawman. I never said that. If you want to greentext me, do it correctly. Try this:
>if god is good, why did he create evil and why does he not destroy it?

>>513753156
And you fell for their bullshit, congratulations

>>513752834
Define “all knowing”, nobody ever does.

>>513753330
retard

>>513753396
Imagine thinking the old testament was originally written in Greek. KEK. You can tell the old testament was written by kikes by how often circumcision is mentioned. Greeks didn’t circumcise, retard.

>>513752728
>Why doesn't God punish evil?
Anon, I...

>>513753545
Why are you quoting something I never said? Also, plenty of good people go to hell and plenty of evil people go to heaven, according to the Bible.

>>513753188
Read Job, kike. I’m sure every single
>why bad thing happen
Thread you have made includes this answer, and you never do.

>>513753493
it was. it was oral before that. those people didn't have their own written language

>>513751852 (OP)
>>513752273
Proverbs 16:4 says that "The LORD [(Yahweh God)] hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."

And there are a few other verses in scripture which reference an "evil day", which may be related.

>>513751852 (OP)
Omnibenevolence is fanfiction. God is an asshole, and he's allowed to be an asshole because He's God. If you had an asshole for a dad you would understand.

>>513753822
Not just fan fiction, it is anti-canonical.

>>513751852 (OP)
i think we're a prison planet and our energy is being harvested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FYtNQ8izM0
by babyeating demons

>>513752834
God didn't create evil and evil doesn't have an ontological status like the good.
Evil is just an absence or distortion of good, a corruption of what God has made.
Evil arises from free will, when angels and humans chose to turn away from God.

>>513753666
>good people go to hell
Cope more, satan.
All of us are sinners (no one is a "good" person).
Repent and believe in Christ's substitutionary death and you can be forgiven of your sins (Mark 1:15)

>>513751852 (OP)
>God gives you a dick but makes you an incel
>Satan offers to sell your soul to him but for a used up roastie much later in life when it's too late
Both are fags.

>>513754139
>Hitler isn’t a good person
faggot
>Repent and believe in Christ's substitutionary death and you can be forgiven of your sins
Do you believe in your parents?

>>513751852 (OP)
You seem upset. What can be done to fix this or build something better in its place?

>>513754057
> God didn't create evil
Isaiah 45:7:
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things".

Try again.....

>>513752834
To have good you necessarily need to have evil to contrast it with. He created free will for the same reason, there can only be belief in something if it exists against disbelief and true faith comes from choosing the belief. God knows that free will allows evil, but in weighing the options God also knows that free will allows a purer form of faith and thus evil is permissible and clearly punished. The argument is therefore flawed at the end.
>Could God have created a universe with free will but without evil?
Yes, but he didn't.
Its no wonder the argument doesn't allow for this answer

>>513754535
I think you wrongly assume free will can exist without evil. Like if god designed you to be physically incapable of stealing. You do not have free will.

Further, you assume God knew evil would result from free will. This is possible, but it is unlikely if one assumes God is and was omnibenevolent.

>>513753745
>Old testament
Fundamentally different God and different message. You're literally quoting the jew bible in a discussion about Christianity

>>513751930
>To have free will
What's point? What does God get out of it when he already has omniscience? It's a retarded excuse.

>>513754461
St. Basil the Great and others made clear distinctions between:
Ontological evil (which doesn’t exist as a substance)
And experiential evil (suffering, punishment, etc.)
Referring to either natural consequences of human sin or expressing that nothing happens outside God's providence even disasters.
"Create evil" here is understood as bringing about judgment or natural disaster, often as a consequence of sin, not as God acting immorally.

>>513751852 (OP)
By the end of your life you will have been through what you need to, so you can be the kind of person that can enter heaven. Truly evil people go to hell.

>>513754287
I believe my parents are normal humans.
Jesus healed the sick and blind, and raised the dead (he was more than normal).
The word of God has survived for millennia as a testament to this truth.

>>513754698
This is what fake Christians on /pol/ are reduced to?

>>513751852 (OP)
I swear 99% of outspoken atheists are suffering from the absolute peak of the Dunning Kruger effect.
"If God real/good, why bad stuff?" is the most basic bitch question ever and has had answers given for it for longer than we have written records.

>>513754690
>I think you wrongly assume free will can exist without evil
I never said this, in fact I said precisely the opposite. That free will is the reason for evil but it is also the reason for the truest form of goodness and in deciding whether to grant humanity free will God obviously decided it was worth it.
God can be benevolent and make that decision. That is also why God created heaven and hell. There are ways to get into heaven and ways to get into hell. A God that did not know that evil would result from free will would not have created a place for evildoers to go.

>>513751930
Retarded take. Evil transgresses on the free will of the victim. Allowing evil to exist is not a question of allowing free will to exist but a question of allowing the will of the evildoer to prevail against the will of their victim.

>>513754787
What is faith
What is belief
What is love

>>513755008
How do you take away someone's free will through evil? Where is free will stored? Can I push a pressure point in your body and you'll no longer be able to think freely?

>>513755067
Again, what's the point? God could just spawn all those people in Heaven with implanted memories and not bother creating the bad people. That way no one and nothing suffers. It's just more retarded excuses. "Our religion has to be true, so least make up some reasons why everything is so shitty."

People would have fewer problems if they stopped thinking that people were created according to some kind of good plan.

Our reality is some kind of farm that produces energy (loosh, as Robert Monroe said), which possibly feeds the archons (amrita, ambrosia, soma, haoma, etc.) And most likely it is also some kind of simulation and when something is produced here, it is copied there (cubed), because as above, so below and vice versa

>>513755150
>How do you take away someone's free will through evil?
IDK, hmm maybe, it's not likely that getting murdered is within the free will of murder victim, or getting tortured is within the free will of the victim, or getting stolen from is within the free will of the victim. Should I go on?

Are you fucking retarded for even asking this?

>>513755363
Being loved through choice and free will versus being loved because you spawned people in your house to love you? Suffering builds character and you can get through any amount of suffering with faith. Through God and Jesus Christ your suffering is rewarded with eternal life in heaven. If you cause suffering your reward is eternal life in hell. It's really not hard to grasp these concepts anon.

>>513754698
No. Jesus Christ himself taught from the so-called "old testament" scriptures. The entire Bible is for Chirstians.

>>513754955
>and has had answers given for it
None have ever actually beaten the test, which is why Christians have to just hurl insults and hope something sticks.

>>513754966
> I never said this
Literally in the post I responded to:
>Could God have created a universe with free will but without evil?
>Yes, but he didn't.

>yes, but he didn’t.

>>513755363
Nonsense is still nonsense even if you say it about God.
Something about your suggestion is contradictory to the point of us being created in the first place, so it wouldn't work.

>>513751852 (OP)
Because man refused everything good and perfect. A world with no evil was the Garden of Eden. Man wanted evil to exist thus God gave us the ability to do evil.

>>513755544
No, retard. Spawn the people who were already going to Heaven. God is omniscience. He knows what people go in what bin before their parents even have sex. Also free will doesn't exist when God already know the outcome. There are no branching paths because God is omniscience. He knows, without error, which paths will be taken.

>>513755363
You'd just be creating robots with no personhood or choice of loving or not loving god, god created humans for real communion a real relationship in which you can have a choice in.
And god doesn't create evil people, once again just another misconception, people have free will and can choose to reject god or the teachings which create evil, suffering, etc.

>>513754933
Weird. I don’t believe in my parents, I know them. I don’t have to believe in them when I know for a fact they exist.

>>513755769
>You'd just be creating robots
Exactly. >>513755766 Humans are essentially NPCs going through the motions on predetermined paths. Free will implies you can deviate from God's plan, which is impossible if God created everything and knows everything before it even happens.

>>513755475
>Free will ends when you no longer exist
Uhuh. I didn't have free will in my fathers balls either
>Free will ends with getting tortured
Hmmm no. You still have free will even if your physical body is captured.
>Free will ends when your material goods are taken from you
Wrong again. I can still choose how I react to that based on free will. The only way to justify this line of logic is to start arguing that actually we don't have free will at all

>>513755564
What test?
"Why bad stuff?"
That one's easy, people just tend to stop too soon when delving into the answer and come out with an incomplete explanation.
The issue is it just takes a long time to complete and so has a lot of points where any bad faith interpretation can derail the conversation beyond all hope of recovery and then be interpreted as victory for the atheist
But really, it's very easy so long as you're honest.

Simple
He doesnt give a shit

>>513752834
This strawman is just that. Evil exists because we want it to exist. God has shown he is capable of creating a world without evil and we refused it. Because God is loving, he allows us our choice.

>>513756024
Hey, a Marxist being honest for once! A rare sight in deed.
You're just like the father of your ideology, you know there's a God but you hate him.

>>513755864
But I believe in them, because a complex mind and body such as yours cannot have randomly appeared from nothingness.
Nothing can't create everything.

>>513756213
You missed the point of that post

>>513755766
>He knows what people go in what bin before their parents even have sex
No he doesn't. You're advocating for a specific misinterpretation that came out of America. Like I said to another anon, this argument's logical conclusion is to say that humans actually don't have free will. There is no way that God made humans with the power to choose their own path whilst also created each one with a determined path in life. Utter American nonesense

>>513755544
>Suffering builds character
This is the biggest load of boomer horseshit there ever was. Suffering builds trauma, not character. Different people have different ways of coping with it. Some become more empathic. Some want to pass it on (que: child molesting victims becoming molesters themselves). Some just go batshit insane. Some off themselves. So let me ask you something: when someone has a horrible life, thanks to evil people who can do what they want because God surely isn't going to stop them, and thanks to these this person becomes a walking embodiment of PTSD, when their own mind becomes a prison and their entire personality deforms into a coping mechanism, when every decision they make, their outlook on life, their attitude, are all dictated by what has been done to them, how is God going to save them? "You can live eternally in Heaven in the grace of Me, your God." Cool. Too bad their own mind is Hell and has been for their entire lives. Is God just going to magically snap a finger and overwrite their trauma-based personality completely to heal them? Then what was the point of letting them live like this, to begin with? Mind you this is not hypothetical but the reality for tens of millions of people each generation.

>>513751852 (OP)
This realm is a test of your character. What awaits you after is much much crazier, vile and incomprehensible to any mortal ever possible to imagine. So if you fail this, you better stay here because you're useless to what this really is about. The war is on, full throttle and you are being vetted.

>>513755925
"Plan" is just doing heavy lifting and possibly a misconception.
It's true god knows everything but knowing is not the same as causing.
Determinism can't justify any knowledge claims, because you're just determined to believe in free will or not and you wouldn't be able to know.
p1; effects of physics are neither more true or false than other effects of physics
p2; thoughts, evaluations and propositions are effects of physics
c; evaluations (effects) and propositions (effects) are not more true of false than other evaluations and propositions.

>>513755960
Stop strawmaning. The basic premise was not that free will ceases to exist but that it is transgressed against. Since the religious argument is that God does not intervene out of respect for free will. To reiterate: evil does not respect free will. By allowing it to prevail, God simply favors the free will of the evildoers instead of their victims.

>>513756289
Actually, he does know. But this is not contradictory to free will.
The power prophecy coming from God makes this very clear: he is beyond time as we understand it. He watches the past, present, and future all as a single moment.
So he knows what you're going to do before you do it, not because he designed you to be incapable of anything else, but because he is watching you use your free will to do it.

>>513756289
>No he doesn't
Then God is omniscience is he? But he is because the Bible says so. You can't fool God. It's like fanning out a deck of card and telling you to pick one, only I knew what card you were doing to pick before the universe and time itself even existed. The rest of the cards could be blank and it wouldn't matter. There was no choice for you to make. You were always going to pick the 2 of Hearts.

>>513751852 (OP)
But everything God created is good. However, it has the potential to be misused for evil. Tools become weapons, life becomes parasitic, genes pass down evil behaviors.

>>513756398
>Then what was the point of letting them live like this, to begin with?
Because we wanted this. It's not complicated. We refused the perfect world and God let us.

>>513755925
God’s plan includes real human freedom, he works with us, not over us.
Knowledge ≠ causation. God knows what we freely choose.

>>513756398
Suffering doesn't build character, but your response to it does. Don't blame people for confusing the two.
God never give you a kind of pain that you are not capable of handling. So when your trials leave you committing evil, it's because you have chosen to be evil.

>>513756650
>We refused the perfect world and God let us.
Funny, I don't remember consenting to be born into this life, much less refusing a perfect world.

>>513756650
>we
Mass reprisal on those not yet born for Adam eating God’s favorite apple is disgusting even for the least generous interpretation of God.

>>513756544
>But this is not contradictory to free will
It does when the universe and every atom in it was created by God. God isn't a prophet. He's the "prime mover," right? He cause this specific universe to exist. He could have made a universe where things are different, but this universe with these specific events and outcome is the universe he chose to create.

>>513756728
>God never give you a kind of pain that you are not capable of handling
Millions upon millions of suicide victims and people who become husks simply going through the motions of life beg to differ.

alfred whitehead said, and i quote, "wakka wakka wakka"

>>513751852 (OP)
>be "straight" and heterosexual
>swallows cum as he types this
Why is OP like this? If he hates men so much, then why does he allow them to cum in his mouth?

>>513756761
I don't believe whatever original sin nonsense that anon is saying, but there is something worth attention in what he's said and you have correctly picked up on it.
"We" is exactly right. You and you specifically, are here because you chose to be. Before you were born.

>>513756761
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of Genesis, which isn't surprising because your statements bare all the hallmarks of being influenced by modern protestant dispensationalist heresies. Classically the "fruit" was often depicted as a pomegranate, but even that is inaccurate. It was "Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil", that is to say: A being who is not aware of what Good or Evil are is incapable of sin. The idea that it is an "apple" is a childish reductionism propagated by morons.

>>513756907
What’s this insanity you’re spewing?

God probably isn't real, religions are all man made.

>>513751930
So the sky jew is bound by external constraints?

>>513756930
I’m a little impressed. Going after the fruit instead of the content of my post is some genuinely funny trolling.

>>513751852 (OP)
>he can't do that cuz muh free will
>ignore the second heaven which won't have free will (due to memory wipes)
I hate these "people"

>"they're like leeches"
>-Michael Jackson

>>513751852 (OP)
>create everything evil in the world
God is not the author of evil; rather, He made a world capable of moral choice, and through that freedom evil entered the picture.
1. God creates only good
Genesis 1 repeatedly says what He made was “good” (Gen 1:4,10,18,25,31). James 1:13-17 is explicit:
“God cannot be tempted with evil, and He Himself tempts no one. … Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights.”
Moral evil is parasitic—a twisting or corruption of something that was originally good.
2. The moral machinery that makes love possible is the same place evil becomes possible
Isaiah 45:5-7 gives a poetic line often quoted:
“I form the light and create darkness; I make peace and create evil [רַע].”

But the very next verse (v8) shows the context is calamity / disaster that God uses as judgment—not moral wickedness. God does not author murder or blasphemy; He permits the consequences of human rebellion.
3. Free will the possibility of evil
Deuteronomy 30:19 and Joshua 24:15 show God placing real choices before men and women. Love cannot be coerced; creatures must be capable of real “no.” Romans 5:12–21 traces sin’s entrance to Adam’s free choice.
4. God, being holy, permits evil and will ultimately overrule it
Acts 4:27-28: “Herod and Pontius Pilate … did what God’s hand and plan had predestined to take place.” Evil men crucified Jesus; God turned the worst act imaginable into the greatest good—our redemption.
5. End of the story
Revelation 21–22 shows evil permanently quarantined in the lake of fire, and God dwelling with His people in a recreated, death-free cosmos.
So God did not “create” sin or wickedness; He created beings able to choose, and from that choice evil sprang. His sovereign plan weaves even the rebellion into a tapestry that displays both His justice and His grace.

>>513757020
>So the sky jew is bound by external constraints?
No, the "sky jew" as you put it is bound by constraints He chose to impose. You know the thought experiment "Can God create a stone He can't lift?" It's a loaded question. God can create a stone He chooses not to lift. Omnipotence precludes "can" or "can not." There is only the choice to do or do not.
>>513757097
Again, demonstrating a misunderstanding. The fruit itself is not the problem. The knowledge of Good and Evil is the problem. These things are passed on to all human beings descended from Adam and Eve, and the Flood most certainly killed anyone who wasn't descended from them.

If you're confused by my implication that there were humans not descended from Adam & Eve I must point at the story of Cain & Abel. Cain was afraid of being killed by people while wandering Nod. This implies there were other people outside of their family, since Seth had not been born yet.

>>513756828
They may beg, but they do not differ.
I'm not talking about mental damage, that relates to the physical form which is subject to things outside your dominion. The physical world has laws that must allow for you to be harmed and impaired in ways that are not spiritual.
In many cases that is just a setup for more suffering that is lined up for you to learn and grow from.
As for the spiritual, you are exactly as evil as you choose to be, no more and no less. There is no exception.

>>513756687
>Knowledge ≠ causation
God is the cause, genius. He created the universe and set off the chain events knowing the outcome. It's impossible to deviate from God's path because he created it and set you on it the instant the universe was created. At least the Matrix tried to get around this retardation by saying you already made your decisions, the point is to understand why you made them. But God already knows this and can skip the bullshit with a snap of his fingers without causing unnecessary trauma. Everyone's life is like Job's except Job didn't have to die to receive his reward.

>>513756812
"We live in the best possible world"

>>513756728
You have some interesting posts. Something that I don't understand is how God & Jesus see addiction, including mental addiction (pornography or other evil), when the addicted person "chooses" righteousness in his heart/mind, but is then eventually and necessarily dragged back to wicked thoughts and deeds. What are your thoughts?

>>513757322
Then what is Heaven?

>>513756953
You were born into this imperfect world with your consent.

>>513751852 (OP)
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things".

>>513757120
Why do you think there's a second heaven with memory wipes
Where does that idea come from

>>513757120
Memory is a function of a physical organ. The endurance of memory after physical death is questionable at best. Does a soul retain the structure of neurons?

>>513757586
"You don't get it, man. The body is just. like, a conduit for the spirit. If the brain is damaged, the soul is intact, but it's ability to pilot the meatsack is impaired."

>>513757333
See >>513757275
If God tells you to push a stone with all your might, and you fail to move it because you aren't strong enough, are you evil for disobeying or are you just mistaken in thinking he expects you to actually move it?
Addiction is damage to your brain, your physical body. As long as you genuinely are opposing evil on the spiritual level and refusing to use the physical reality as an excuse to give in spiritually, you're doing just fine and the issues that can genuinely be attributed to the addiction are of no moral consequence.

>>513757314
Again;
God created a dynamic, open world, not a pre-scripted system.
God is the cause of being, but not the cause of evil or every individual act.
His foreknowledge is not causation, He sees freely chosen events because He exists outside time, not because He forces them.
God didn’t create a script. He created a relationship, and that’s why it costs something.

>>513757275
That word salad of meaningless obfuscation does a poor job at deflecting attention from the fact that this claim:
>God never give you a kind of pain that you are not capable of handling
Is demonstrated as false by the myriads of humans who completely break, so much so that the brokenness of their spirit overrules the extremely powerful biological impulse of the body to say alive, and they kill themselves.

>>513757859
>opposing evil
What is evil?

>>513757390
Lots of different answers to that. I don't know which one is true. You might say it's not a world in the same sense as this one.
My favorite explanation though is that you aren't in heaven yet because until you've become someone capable of being happy in heaven (which is the point of going through mortal life) then putting you in heaven would not make it the best possible world.

>>513757985
>Deflecting
You assume I'm a liar. How sad.
Read my other posts and see if you still have the same responses to my claims.

>>513757824
What is the alternative framework? I have only ever heard it conceptualized like this.

>>513757267
That’s stupid and so are you for making that argument.

>>513754461
It’s the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We can discern the difference between the two

It’s literally the first chapter. C’monn man

>>513757941
>God created a dynamic, open world, not a pre-scripted system
It is prescripted if God created this specific universe knowing every outcome. It only looks dynamic from our perspective, but to God we're just sprites carrying out our programming. God isn't a psychic making predictions. God knows, for fact, what you will do. He knew trillions of years ago when he was alone twiddling his nonexistent thumbs.

>>513757993
That's a very interesting question, in that it's hard to pin down what exactly the steps are you need to take in order to answer it.
I certainly don't have a good response to that right now.

>>513758258
There's two different arguments in that post and I don't care to guess which one you're talking about, but you're not really putting out a meaningful question either so I guess it doesn't matter because you don't want to listen anyway.

>>513757993
>What is evil?
Knowingly and intentionally causing, or trying to cause more suffering than what is necessary to exist.

>>513758550
But if God commands you to do these things, is it still evil?

>>513758687
Yes. Exceedingly.

>>513758550
Fear and Hunger are good for the soul. Suffering is being a fatty full of sins.

>>513758292
You haven't looked into the arguments from Christians about how knowing isn't causing or other objections
https://youtu.be/xCwY36a19aQ
https://youtu.be/2sSZktBCnbw
https://youtu.be/nhemNKt7xp0
https://youtu.be/1bdUc485pyQ
https://youtu.be/AKnjeyeFkJM
https://youtu.be/tjf9yeQIIUc

>>513751852 (OP)
>Why is god like this?
What's it to you? He owes you no answer.

>If he hates evil so much, why did he create it and allow it to continue?
Why do you choose evil?
>I don't choose ebil!
>I'm better than Jebus!

Ok.
See how that works out on Judgment Day.

>>513751852 (OP)
It's about the pure consciousness when you talk about the Father. The pure consciousness is beyond these concepts and when you are born again you will be too.
This pure consciousness is the reason people who sincerely pray in true faith can get answers. Faith is how the Father acts in their name, if that makes sense to you. They're working through the piece of God that is in them, whether they realize it or not.

>>513753688
An excellent point.
Those Scientistic geniuses just can't into written English.

>>513757859
Surely the line where perverse imaginings stray from biological addiction to spiritual-evil-by-choice is a blurry one.

Also, I've just read this interesting verse:

>Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. — James 1:12 (KJV)

, and, without meaning to be blasphemous, I am struck with how the "crown of life" could bear some relationship to a (healed, unaddicted, untemptable-by-ungodly-lusts-of-the-flesh) human brain.

>>513758853
I didn't say knowing is causing, genius. I already gave an analogy with a deck of cards. Choice is an illusion. All the cards are blank except the one I knew you would chose. It looks like you're making a choice but you're really not because I created that deck (the universe) knowing which card you would choose. God did this with knowing which card you would choose before the universe even existed. This is every "choice" you make. You're not making a choice, you're taking the only card you were ever going to select.

>>513752034
>be alter boy
>get raped by your priest
>church covers it up
>priest moves and gets to redo the whole rape cycle again in a new city
>grow up, quit church
>lose faith in god
>become depressed
>kill yourself
>burn in hell for all eternity
The game was rigged from the very beginning...

Captcha: ate ass too

>>513759209
I don't pretend this is easy

>>513751930
But why doesn't he just kill Satan? Do we really need Satan to be evil?

>>513759352
I don't think you understand how this shit works at all

>>513759487
Kill? Satan was never alive.

I'm gonna fast today. I want to feel hunger.

>>513759262
"choice is illusion bro"
this sam harris and jordan peterson tier stuff.
Again address my syllogism as to how you'd know what is true and false under determinism.
p1; effects of physics are neither more true or false than other effects of physics
p2; thoughts, evaluations and propositions are effects of physics
c; evaluations (effects) and propositions (effects) are not more true of false than other evaluations and propositions.
you can cash it out in many different ways like
person a believes x is true, person b believes y is true, how does person c know which proposition is true under determinism?

>>513759487
>But why doesn't he just kill Satan?

Satan is thrown into the Lake of Fire in the end. Along with the False Prophet, and finally death itself. As to why it must occur this way and not some other way, we probably couldn't understand, and so an honest human-comprehendable (and still true) answer is: Because that's what's been prophesied.

>>513759544
No? Which part is inaccurate?

>>513751852 (OP)
>If he hates evil so much, why did he create it and allow it to continue?

War in Heaven, Lucifer and the fallen, ect.
The world is a battleground, and Satan was winning.

ProTip; We win in the end, but very few of us will see it. Good luck out there, bro.

>>513759487
Your lower-self is the one who tempts you into sin, anon. Defeating this primal part of your brain commonly known as the reptilian brain is essential.
Typhon swallows souls, forcing them into rebirth. It's just you, man. There's tons of spirits out there, some of them negative but they rely on your own weakness to feed on you.

>>513751852 (OP)
God wants people that choose him and not mindless robots, therefore he engineered a world where people had the free will to decide.
He's not the author of evil, but he does allow it to happen for a season, of course there will be judgements and pardons accordingly.

>>513759882
The part where you go to hell for seemingly no reason

>>513757993
Evil is opposing God's rules. God told Adam and Eve to not eat the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Think about why he would do this. God could have made the tree inaccessible or not even make a tree with the knowledge of good and evil in first place. I think the tree was same as every other tree in the garden with the only difference being that God told man not to eat from it.

>>513759718
>this sam harris and jordan peterson tier stuff.
No, it's basic logic, retard. You can't have free will if God created the universe and is all-knowing. Cause and effect. God created this specific universe causing a specific chain of events. This chain reaction isn't random because God knew the outcome of every interaction of every atom in the universe before he even crated it. You're not making any choices, you only think you do. You can't deviate from what God set in motion. Everything you do was already predestined by God.

>>513759882
>No? Which part is inaccurate?

Bad framing

The Church, The Faith, God, and society at large are all different things.
Your example is all of the institutions failing and blaming God for it.
Evil is real, and this may shock you, but evil does evil things when unchecked.

>>513760245
>lose faith in god
>suicide
both punishable by eternity in hell, in my understanding.

>>513751852 (OP)
God ordered the Israelites to commit the first genocide on record against the native inhabitants of Canaan.
Make of that what you will.

>>513760315
I like how you go to the "eating fruit" example and not God commanding Jews to murder innocent women and children and while keeping young virgins as spoils of war.

>>513751852 (OP)
>be yahwey the foreskin demon
>adored by jews everywhere
>only care about collecting more foreskins
>some of your jew servants convince europeans to start cutting their foreskins off for you
>based.jpg
>the christians start thinking you created the entire universe and you are the Uncaused Cause
>mfw

>>513760331
That doesn't answer my argument.
Answer the argument I laid out

>>513760373
Why

Might makes Right. You will go to Hell because you are weak.

>>513760331
Okay, so god is not all-knowing.

What is your next cope?

A soul can only grow through challenges and suffering. Yes, even a child with cancer teaches the parents and the family to value life, to know that life ends, to know that this world is just a train stop and not the destination. Imagine being so narcistic to think that YOU can know what the literal creator of the universe and source of all consciousness is. You. Know. Nothing. Nothing. You are not better than the ant looking up at you, holding your smartphone and recording the ant.

God knows best, and every challenge, every obstacle, every loss, every low and every high builds your soul for the next life. You have to go through it, you have to suffer through it. And god gives good too, he loves you. But a soul that has never suffered, is nothing more than a tiny sprout starting to die as they age. But a man that suffered, experienced loss, death, depression, addiction, hate, madness, but still believes in God, will have roots deeper than any other tiny branch on this earth. No matter what happens, if you are rooted in Christ, nothing will be too much. Just like the Pine tree grows fast, but falls over in a storm. But the Oak, it grows slowly, endures insects, mammals, lightning and wind and fire, it's roots are deep, and it will remain for hundreds of years, no matter what happens on the outside.

Remember this: God, the creator of this Universe, gave his only son, the most pure and good being that has ever existed, for you, as a sacrifice. He died so you could live, if only you believe that he did, if only you knew that he did that, for you, personally.
Do not believe the lies, for the father of lies is the ruler of this material realm. It's easy. Just, believe.
Christ is King.

https://youtu.be/k7klFUBDafU

>>513751852 (OP)
Jesus called them the Synagogue of Satan, so the real chosen Jews must not be the ones we see today. Its highly possible the chosen ones historical Identities were stolen by the current ones.

>>513760612
The opposite is true actually.
Right makes might.

I said I want to find, and now I want to drink coffee. What is this urge?

>>513760506
>be god
>demand your followers never make an image of you
>regards think some image is you, made by your followers
>nfw

>>513760334
Yes, the corruption of the Church specifically bothers me. I have a hard time believing that if God existed, he would allow the institution that supposedly represents him to become so rotted with evil.

>>513760697
Your country is controlled by satanic pedophiles.

>>513760721
The Catholic Church still banned circumcision. You are a circumcised cattle. Shut up.

>>513760331
Answer his quest anon don't be naughty

>>513760776
>schizo seamonkey has entered the thread

>>513760697
Give me justification for why you eat.

>>513760852
I'm the smartest being in this entire world, and the chosen ONE of God. I am always here. Listening.

>>513760750
I'm aware.
What's that got to do with this?

>>513760896
No, I don't think I need to talk to you

>>513760575
Well, believing in God is pretty much like the main commandment in Christianity. And suicide, idk that's just what I was told.

>>513754787
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lJmcOWb3pU8?feature=share

nigger

>>513760331
You can if God is all-knowing in the sense of the "Akashic records".
Dyaus-Pitr is Sanskrit for Sky Father and the root of the Latin term used by the Catholic Church "Deus-Pater", which means "God the Father". Another name for the Sky Father is Akasha, which means Aether, a fundamental, all-pervading medium that connects everything in existence, holding the potential for consciousness and intelligence. Every action has a ripple in the Akashic field, every being is connected through it and it as empty and boundless as the sky above.
In the Rig-Veda, Dyaus-Pitr is often called "Heaven Father". This is where Heavenly Father came from, and why you pray to the "big guy up stairs".
This is the OG Indo-European Father God before later developments of Hinduism on to the Aryan religion. The Rain Man. When the sky rained on the Earth Mother, crops grew. This was seen as symbolic of a greater cosmic process of the Sky Father giving the Earth Mother his seed. That's where phallic emblems came from.

>>513761071
You are right to be afraid of me.

>>513751852 (OP)
Stop framing your worldview on jewish nonsense, I'm ok with evil existing, I'll just beat it up.
They have no claim on anything, their god is a fucked up figment of a bunch of inbred desert people, who by their own lore spent thousands of years wandering around with them homeless because they can't build anything. only destroy and corrupt. Their stories are stolen from other pantheons, if you're going to larp, larp the originals, YHWH doesn't care about white people, he only wants fucked up child molesters who slice off penises and drink blood while jacking off to the emoji movie.

>>513761015
Is your position that satanic pedophiles are “right”?

>>513761096
You cannot be held accountable for breaking rules you don't know about. In the scenario described, the character doesn't really have a chance to develop a proper testimony of God he's just reacting to trauma and associations. It's no sin to not believe when you don't even understand.
As to suicide... Yeah I don't know about that one. I've always been confused when people bring it up, no idea where the idea comes from.

I AM the ONE CHOSEN by GOD for CELESTIAL COITUS

>>513761562
Go fuck your wife you manwhore. God is mine, and mine alone.

MY MIGHT makes CELESTIAL COITUS with GOD ALMIGHTY RIGHTY TIGHTY

There IS a LEFTY LOOSEY IMPOSTER who IS WEAK compared to ME, THE ONE CHOSEN by GOD

I, the ONE CHOSEN by ALMIGHTY RIGHTY TIGHTY GOD to CURCUMCISE the WEAK

>>513761702
You will never be able to post cute girl. Because you are gay.

>>513751852 (OP)
It began as a joke and it snowballed from there, sorry

>>513761444
There are many different ways that something can be right. It's not in a strictly moral sense.
Scientific knowledge for example is a way that one can be right about a great deal and mighty because of it.
Of course there's "but anon that's completely different, you're just playing word games with two unrelated definitions of right", to which I say "no I'm not, I believe moral good is an objective law that's just as real as gravity and electromagnetism, and being in accordance with it is much the same kind of thing as having a physically healthy and strong body."

>>513761827
>>513761865
What the fuck are you schizos on about

CELESTIAL COITUS with RIGHTY TIGHTY GOD ALMIGHTY makes ME the UTIMATE WARRIOR

>>513761946
The guy is an adulterous whore. He claimed to have a wife, and still want to covet what does not belong to him.

>>513751852 (OP)
GOD didn't create anything evil you shit, semen, and mucus-slime wolfing whore.

Enjoy losing all your money and having everyone you USED as a minion devour you, Francesa "Divine."

You should change your first name to "Diamond"...

What a joke you fel monkeys are.

MY GOD is VERY RIGHTY TIGHTY and ALMIGHTY

>>513762082
Come to think of it. I have never seen you post a picture of a cute girl.

>>513761885
Wow super cool.
Anyways
Is your position that satanic pedophiles are “right”?

>>513751852 (OP)
What good is a light, if there's no darkness for it to illuminate?

>>513751852 (OP)
There is no evil, just adversity. He loves the huge, scary monsters for the same reason he likes you, because they smell nice. This is covered in the oldest Bible story, Job. If you get eaten by a monster it's kind of your fault for not being careful around all these big fucking monsters, but even if you're careful and good you're not guaranteed safety.

NOTICE the WEAK LEFTY LOOSEY IMPOSTER PLAYS with CARTOONS while I, the ONE CHOSEN has CELESTIAL COITUS with ALMIGHTY RIGHTY TIGHTY GOD

>>513753188
>why did he create evil
He didn't.

>why does he not destroy it?
Evil is a self punishment. He lets you wallow in it until you learn how to be good. The good man never suffers evil.

>>513751930
You can have free will even if evil does not exist

I AM the MASTER OF ALL TIME at CHESS and GO.

NO ONE has EVER beaten ME, the ONE CHOSEN

>>513762352
Right. Hell is nothing with God in it.

>>513754535
>To have good you necessarily need to have evil to contrast it with.
literally you don't though. Some 4 year old kid who's never experienced a bad thing in his life plays with a kitten in a field full of flowers on a beautiful sunny day while his loving parents watch nearby. You're saying this could never have happened except that somewhere in the world jews are sacrificing foreskins to moloch? Kids can't naively experience an unalloyed Good Thing without roving rape squads in the congo allowing for it? Get fucked. Good is not contingent on or hostage to evil, and to even suggest it is is to besmirch the Good and make it less-than, tainted by the evil that apparently enables its existence.

>>513762815
No, you can't. Evil is error. Removing error means removing choice, it removes the possibility of choosing wrong. You can't have free will without choice.

>>513758077
>My favorite explanation though is that you aren't in heaven yet because until you've become someone capable of being happy in heaven (which is the point of going through mortal life) then putting you in heaven would not make it the best possible world.

I've never heard this explanation before. Where can I read more about this? Is there a saint or a theologian that can explain this concept further?

>>513762891
>Some 4 year old kid who's never experienced a bad thing in his life plays with a kitten in a field full of flowers on a beautiful sunny day while his loving parents watch nearby
Your definition of good needs work. That kid is full of attachments and desires. The kitten is full of attachments and desires. The parents are full of attachments and desires. Everything in your "good" description is evil. Good means participating in Logos and evil means failing to participate. Parents who develop painful attachments to their children are not good, they're failing in their duty of objectivity towards Good.

>>513757390
Reunification with the Godhead.
Reject godhead = no reunification = soul destruction

>>513752834
ATHEIST here this picture is retarded as fuck.

>>513752997
Wrong answer.

Real thread here:
>>513762728
>>513762728
>>513762728

>>513763267
Eternal Life is a cursed for those who hate Life.

>>513762300
In what sense
They're definitely right about something, like how social and political dynamics work, which is what they use to main their position of power

>>513763267
I recommend C.S. Lewis

>>513763142
>>513763287
See >>513757430
Remember the purpose of the 5 meats.

>>513763287
Everything you said after "your definition of good needs work" is just flat out wrong

>>513751852 (OP)
Good and Evil only exist in this world of relativity. Without Evil there is no Good. In the grand scheme there is no Evil. Evil is just a measurement. Just as cold is lack of heat. Evil is simply lack of good. Without Evil, Earth would be indistinguishable from Heaven. Thus defeating the whole purpose of incarnating here to begin with. You come down here to learn, experience, and acquire knowledge. You need contrast to learn, but you can’t allow yourself to be tricked into thinking there’s only two options.

>>513763142
this is straight up kike mentality of everything being a zero sum game. I guess that would explain everything.

>>513763709
Neat.
Aaaanywaaays
Is your position that satanic pedophiles are “right”?

>>513764162
What does it mean to only be able to choose to do good things? If the definition of good comes from an authority figure and you can't choose to disobey, do you have free will?

If God is so powerful, why don't he release the Epstein files?

>>513764404
How the fuck...
Alright, I don't think talking to you is worth my time

>>513752506
Reddit isn't sending their best

>>513764853
Worse, they are sending their best, they genuinely don't have anything better.

>>513752833
youre a naive asshole to say that nearly any given person's life is pleasant. an inconsiderate child.

i have the cross tattooed on my chest but every time i see god niggers try and fail to defend this stupid bullshit i signed onto like a retard it makes me want to renounce and remove it

>>513765367
Defend what?

>>513764576
How hard is it to just fucking say
>elite pedophiles are wrong
You fucking philopedo

>>513765634
How hard is it for you to read what I've said and understand I'm explaining how my perspective works even with the fact that pedophilia is wrong
Why the fuck do you think I'm defending them

>>513763848
Cheers, Anon. God bless you!

the existence of niggers is proof that there is no god

>>513751852 (OP)

and why did God create diseases and genetic defects? it's almost as though he doesn't exist at all.

>>513752506
>>Blaming God for the sins of humanity

what sin has a baby born with no arms committed?

>>513751852 (OP)
same reason whites want niggers imported everywhere, to balance out their so called "white" or good civilization with evil

>>513766351
None
Was that supposed to be an argument?

>>513751852 (OP)
it was us that created the bad, not him

>>513751930
So why does free will require mosquitos and cancer to exist?

The fact that I can conceptualize that makes me more benevolent than your god right?

Israel is a welfare queen.

Israel lives of American taxpayers money.

If not for Christcuck traitors, Jews would have remained a small, powerless, and possibly extinct sect of obscure ‘Oriental’ - now referred to as Semitic - people.

>>513752034
Killing is no fun without someone that deserves killing. It is their time

>>513751852 (OP)
All these contradictions go away once you realize Gnosticism is the truth.

>>513755067
>this dumb fat nigger is SO ME, you guys
Ok, man

>>513759818
>we probably couldn't understand
Cope

>>513753545
>Freedom of will isn't freedom from consequences
Huh, this all sounds so familiar

>>513763287
Possibly the most retarded post in this thread.

>>513751930
shit was abolished by saul, thats partly why youre always acting like npcs

>>513771357
try this for the opposite fx
>>513770279

The covid vaccine was the mark of the beast and it spreads through shedsing

>>513752034
God didn't create pedophiles, people just one day decided we should call the dude fucking a fertile 14 year old like his ancestors have for hundreds of thousands of years as one.

>>513772515
You can't get the mark without explicitly consenting to it. So yes the vaccine could've been it but can't get it via shedding infection or whatever.

>>513755067
Baby don't hurt me

>>513751852 (OP)
Define evil.

>>513772588
And those people are 50 yo feminist women