Thread 513792526

Come home white man. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has the single most conservative voting bloc in the country. It's the only significant white demographic still exceeding replacement birthrates. Women are tradwives and overwhelmingly seek out marriage in their teenage years so they can bare you as many sons as quickly as possible.

The life you always wanted still exists. There's still hope for you.

Then you have to be a moron, I mean Mormon

>>513792526 (OP)
>Worshiping jews flavour no. 2137
Lol

>>513792526 (OP)
Don’t they believe God has a wife? This is made up shit even worse than Catholicism.

>>513792526 (OP)
Mormons support Israel at a higher rate than even Dispensationalist Christians. They are jeet tier slaves.

>>513792526 (OP)
>delaying your disappointment

I hope you guys try this.

>>513792790
LDS is full of spooks. No wonder jews are desperate to funell people into christcuckery. Its all just a jewish cult.

>>513792526 (OP)
Then why are you importing so many Polynesians into my country? And why do you practice freemasonry and prohibit your churches from displaying crosses? t. a Christian

>>513792526 (OP)
What do they say about the most imporant question?
Do they support national socialism, massacring the jews, and removing all the nonwhites from White territories?

>>513792526 (OP)

I think you mean Amish.

>>513792769
The bible itself refers to the existence of many divine beings. Colossians, Jude, Ezekiel, Ephesians, Genesis, even Revelation. Christian theology has never just been God.

>>513792790
>>513792960
Should be easy to prove then. I look forward to your evidence.

>>513793175
We spread belief in Christ all over the world. I'll grant you that the Pacific Islanders were a lot more receptive than most areas, but I wouldn't say we're importing them. We send missionaries out there, we build temples out there, we convert in Polynesia (and Melanesia and Micronesia).

>>513793366
The official church stance on the Holocaust and World War 2 was that German soldiers should fight for Germany and that the church takes no position on who is right and wrong in any conflict.

>>513793541
I said significant population. Mormons make up over 2% of the US population. The Amish are at about 0.1%. But sure, if you feel you can adhere to the Amish lifestyle, it exists too.

>>513793854
What is your stance on christ-killing jews?
Do you think they should be allowed to live among White people or be eradicated?

>>513793914
My personal stance or the church's stance?

The church has a policy of soft supersessionism. Christians are the tribe of Israel that embraced the Messiah and so they remain the chosen people. The jews are the shorn branch that was discarded. There's no special hatred for them though, any more than any other group that doesn't believe in Christ like atheists or buddhists or whatever.

Most jews take Mormons to be antisemites because the church abjectly refuses to support Israel, and the Jerusalem center we built over there caters to Palestinians as well as Israelis.

Me personally? I share the same deep-rooted antisemitism that most of /pol/ does. They're not just a dead branch, they're agents of the Adversary that work to undermine Christ and western civilization.

>>513793914
You mean people such as these? Have you no shame?

>>513794105
Okay so maybe you're not totally useless.
Anyway the important part is to remove all the jews from White territories forever and my take is that you're neutral towards it you won't help nor you won't stop it

>>513794137
They can masquerade themselves to push narratives which suit them but they are always multiculturalism-pushing ethnostate-destroying demons

>>513792526 (OP)
>accepts mass non-White migration
no thanks

>>513794137
>"Yea, and thus they were deceived by the vain and flattering words of the king and priests; for they did speak flattering things unto them."
>Mosiah 11:6, Book of Mormon

>>513794339
The church confounds their purposes though by exceling at the things they're trying to destroy. Conservative values, low divorce rates, traditional marriages, whites perpetuating the race, opposition to pornography, harmful substances and degeneracy.

The social aspects of the church alone are merit enough to be considered oppositional to the jews. That the church refuses to recognize Israel's claim in the Middle East and is the largest domestic organization to do so, isn't nothing.

>>513794444
We do? Says who, rabbi?

>>513793854
amish population grows at a measurable rate and are forecast to be the largest demographic by century's end

>>513794522
>Says who
every Mormon politician dumb fuck

>>513792526 (OP)
>make up a hugely disproportionate amount of glowies
>their leaders are pro vax
>cucked on racial issues and now support multiculti and mass migration
lol
lmao even

>>513792526 (OP)
Yea sure
>our book is (((more chosen))) than the New Testament

>>513794538
Your argument is that their fertility trends for one decade if extrapolated out in a vacuum makes them viable by the year 2100? Really?

>>513794589
Ah, so one person with no authority in the church gets to speak for the entire religion? That's your contention? Does Biden speak for all of Catholicism when he endorses abortion? Hell, Senator Warnock is an actual Baptist pastor and he endorses abortion, does that mean Baptists are pro-choice? Michelle Bachman is a pro-choice Lutheran. Hillary fucking Clinton is a Methodist.

Maybe Mitt Romney isn't speaking for the church. He's never held a top position, he hasn't even held a near-top position like the Quroum or the First Presidency.

>>513794840
I keep seeing a lot of jewish contentions with no evidence. Now Rabbi Cheatagoy, why would that be?

>>513793854
>The bible itself refers to the existence of many divine beings.
The Bible is extremely clear that there is only one God. And that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are that one God.

>>513793854
>We spread belief in Christ all over the world.
A false Christ is who is the brother of Satan.

>>513794938
Wrong. There is absolutely zero biblical evidence for the existence of the Trinity and in fact is outright contradicted multiple times in scripture. The ecumenical council adopted the trinity as a means of political control over the various denominations to unify worship under Constantine. It was never a theological consensus.

>>513794989
Your feeling is Christ is the brother of Satan? Let me respond in a way you can truly understand:

אני מקווה שתיחנק מהערלה הבאה שתאכל, שד.

>>513795103
Oh buddy good job parroting Mormon doctrine. There is mountains of Biblical evidence for the Trinity, the council of Nicea had no political influence on it whatsoever. Constantine called the council, but the Bishops were the ones that debated and came to a decision.

>>513795103
>Your feeling is Christ is the brother of Satan?
That's what your church teaches

>>513792526 (OP)
>Mormons have a bunch of white kids.
>I deconvert them and make them racist.
You can copy my idea if you want, I think it's pretty good.

>>513795297
>historically illiterate
The first ecumenical council was literally a power struggle between Athanasius and Arius. That was the whole point. We had multiple denominations arguing over points of theology and Constantine wanted a uniform doctrine for all of Christianity to follow. There was no bestowed revelation or even a theological reason for why trinitarianism was accepted, it was a political struggle where the stronger faction won out. If you're going to adopt a belief, you should understand its origins and purpose. Trinitarianism was purely a political instrument for codifying doctrine.

>>513795369
No it doesn't. Unless you're saying that because we believe that God created both Christ and Satan that that makes them brothers. But you do understand that ALL Christian religions believe that and by your standard you're condemning not Mormonism but the entire Christian faith.

>>513792526 (OP)
They were unironically great for a lot of years. Basically white people that adopted jewish tactics. The doctrine and beliefs are a bit silly. Which is good, it weeds out undesirables and people who are not interested in the fundamental benefits. The silliness with lost tribes, gold plates, and magic underwear almost makes it feel like an intentional insult to the jewish religions. Yet it provides a solid moral framework, a sense of community and activities. They live together in close knit groups, they invest in each other offering a huge competitive advantage. They make long term investments together, often in massive real estate holdings. Through investments they can take over entire towns which then become majority white with a high quality of life. They value the family and support each other to this end, but do not hesitate to cut off those addicted to drugs or harm. They are also quick to lawyer up, to claim discrimination, and fight back using the same jewish tactics that worked so well against us in previous generations.

It was for a lot of years a recipe for success and it worked. For a long time I felt this was the future and the only path to survivor for white people. You don't need a majority or a proper homeland with this strong of a community.

But this is no longer true. They all but worship pacific islanders, they have weeded out any racism or racial purism. They went woke as fuck and promoted the vax. They have even been captured by zionism. This last best hope has been compromised beyond redemption. All that awaits now is extinction.

>>513794938
The trinity is made up bullshit. Decided by council. Early christians did not believe it. Orthodox groups with ancient origins still don't. The fact that people die on this completely made up hill surprises me.

>>513795716
I would argue there's nothing sillier in the book of Mormon than there is in the rest of the bible.
>God doesn't bestow gold plates for us to read doctrine, He bestows stone tablets!
>God doesn't command priests to wear temple garments, He bestows priest frocks!
>God didn't lose the Nephites and the Lamanites, He lost the Reubenites, Manassehites, Ephraimites, etc.

I'm surprised that the Pacific Islanders seem to be this thread's focus. We've built way more temples and acquired way more members in South America than we did in Oceania or the Philippines. But again, we build Temples literally everywhere. We have them in Japan, we have them in Korea, we have them in the United Kingdom, we have one coming in the United Arab Emirates. Wherever there's a human ear to listen, we spread the word of Christ.

Just some places are more receptive than others.

Become Lutheran.

>>513796463
Interestingly, I was raised in the Missouri Synod. I find there's a huge chunk of LDS converts that were LCMS. The pipeline is real.

>>513792526 (OP)
Mormons are a eugenic incest cult and their religion was founded by a black magic occultist. They also believe God lives on an alien planet called Kolob, the Native Americans were Christians who fought Romans, Jesus had three wives, and this was all told to Joseph Smith through a set of gold tablets he found buried under a tree on his property. And no you cannot see them. Also look into Howard Hughes and Evil Ervil.

>>513796780
And remember, it's not satanic, it's Luciferian.

>>513796780
>>513796893
>Trust ((me)) goyim, this man spreading worship of Christ is a black magic occultist!
No historic evidence, just the usual ((tricks)) your tribe having been pulling since the Sanhedrin questioned Christ.
>The Mormons believe there's a blazing star adorning the Throne of God called Kolob. I choose to interpret that to mean that it's a science fiction alien planet with Heavy Metal style big breasted women and ant people all extrapolated from literally my ass
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And the rest is equally nonsense. No LDS doctrine claims Christ had three wives, the plates weren't buried under a tree they were delivered by an angel, there's no secret pirate treasure under Joseph Smith's property, and Howard Hughes and Evril are totally unrelated to Church doctrine or History.

Anything else Schlomo?

>>513796893
>i-is that twelve Oxen symbolizing the twelve Tribes of Israel!?
>j-just like the imagery from scripture in 1 Kings and 2 Chronicles describing the ancient Temple of God?
>g-goyim don't you agree that this very Christian and biblical depiction is evil???

>>513792526 (OP)
I’ve actually been thinking about joining the Mormon church. They’re sending lots of missionaries to my region, and I even saw an Asian girl asking people to convert. From what I can tell they accept anyone who’s interested, not only white people, but I’ve never seen a black person convert

>>513797567
Yeah, we've had incredible success with conversions in Brazil. We'll spread the Word to anyone willing to hear it, but you're not wrong that blacks generally don't want to hear it.

I don't totally blame them. Even if we never had any official LDS scripture saying that blacks were the children of Ham and/or Cain, it was the pervading sentiment in the church for most of its history. And we weren't shy about telling blacks that we thought so.

>>513792526 (OP)
But, I want to smoke weed. I enjoy smoking herbs. Tis fun.

If I can smoke weed and have multiple wives, I'll believe whatever you want.

>>513795716
>>513796322
A small contingency of Utah Mormons will hype up pacific islanders because it turns out they're good at playing football for BYU. Naturally, being popular, occasionally one of these student athletes goes on to marry a white girl and retards will cherrypick this as Mormons being cucked. Not only are these unions completely statistically irrelevant, they basically only exist as an anomaly within BYU culture, literally no other Mormon ever talks about pacific islanders.

>>513797962
Official Mormon doctrine states that polygamy is not morally wrong or a sin, but the stance of the church is always to obey the law of the land you reside in. And its illegal in the US, so that's a no-go.

And while the Words of Wisdom doesn't specifically state that weed is vorboten, the general consensus is any recreational drugs are a no-go.

>>513798104
Ah, that makes sense. The Utah Mormons are, uh... sort of a world apart from the rest of us. Not apostates or theological differences or anything, but there's definitely a culture that's unique to just them.

>>513792526 (OP)
Lmao, I know a mormón familly and they are brown as fuck

>>513798622
Yes you do. So do I. The key is that Mormon doctrine and culture emphasizes ancestry and promotes by and large staying with your own kind. Most brown Mormons are interested in staying brown as fuck, and most white Mormons are interested in staying white as fuck. And I'm okay with that.

>>513799075
This. My ward is principally white, even though we live in south Texas. There are a few hispanic families, but the husbands and wives are hispanic. There's one Hawaiian couple, but they're both Hawaiian. I can't think of a single interracial couple of any mixture.

Not that there's an official doctrine opposing miscegenation, but the pervading culture is largely to marry among your own.

>>513798560
I'm well aware of the Mormon doctrine. Neighbors were Mormon. I'm also aware of the roots of Mormonism. It's based in kabbalah, if you read long enough.

>>513799636
It's really not, but that is the kind of revelation that's on-brand for pot smoking. But it's the paper-thin stretch that most contentions against Christianity on the macro usually face.
>Kaballah believes souls exist in a spiritual world just like Christianity!
>Kaballah believes in a structured spiritual universe and the Mormons believe in realms of salvation!
But there's really nothing specific and the same sweeping generalizations could make the argument that Hinduism is based on Kaballah, or Shinto, or Druidism, or anything else that shares vague superficial similarities.

>>513797817
How would you feel about a Latinx Brazilian joining your religion? I live in the countryside, but there’s a temple around 200 km away. I could probably go there and stay for a while to convert. From what I’ve seen online, they seem to focus mainly on the South and Southeast. Rio has only one temple, while my state has quite a few

>>513800543
I would be overjoyed for anyone to find Christ, whether through the LDS faith or any other denomination. And if you are a Christian and thinking of conversion, that'd be great too.

You don't have to make a specific trip to the Temple to convert. Missionaries are more than happy to come out to where you live, even in the countryside and discuss the finer points of our faith with you and see if you feel the Holy Spirit through what they share with you. If it's a good fit, they can walk you through the process of converting. If not, there's never any hard feelings.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/ps/meet-with-missionaries?

>>513800416
Ah, the a-hole comes out.

http://www.gnosis.org/jskabb1.htm

Just put it together.

>>513792526 (OP)
Jesus wasn't even a real person, dummy

>pic related

>>513800747
My family is partly Lutheran and partly Catholic, but I don’t really have a religion since my parents never registered me with a church. I’m going to see if I like the Mormon church enough to convert. Thanks

bump

>>513802701
>I can't make an argument myself for why Mormonism and jewish witchcraft is the same but here's a link to some nonsensical gibberish, get high and have your own DUDE WEED LMAO moment
No thanks. If you have a particular example of how any level of Christianity is rooted in Kabbalah, I'm happy to debate it. But I'm not going to entertain sweeping unspecific generalizations.

>>513803514
God bless, anon.

>>513805378
>, get high and have your own DUDE WEED LMAO moment

You sound like you're just an asshole. How's that for a sweeping generalization?

>>513806681
In your experience when you tell someone that you think their deeply held and cherished faith is rooted in jewish witchcraft malarkey, do you usually follow-up with the jewish tactic of crying out as you attack?

I responded to your denigration with the hostility it deserved, but I still allowed that MAYBE you were arguing in good faith and gave you the option of giving me some specific example of a correlation. You couldn't. So I stand by my assessment. The only connection is dimestore pothead epiphanies.

>>513792526 (OP)
Lol I wouldn't join the mormons. The future doesn't turn out so good for them.

>>513807362
>"There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or who practices divination, or is a soothsayer, or an augur, or a sorcerer, or a charmer, or a medium, or a necromancer, or one who inquires of the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord..."
>Deuteronomy 18:10–12

>>513795552
>The first ecumenical council was literally a power struggle between Athanasius and Arius.
The initial struggle was between Bishop Alexander of Alexandria, it was not just Athanasius. The Bishops at Nicea were unanimous in condemning Arius.
"But you do understand that ALL Christian religions believe" No Christian Church teaches that Jesus was a created being.
>>513795841
Justin Martyr lived centuries before Nicea, and believed in the Deity of Christ. https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01289.htm

>>513796655
>LCMS
I am Missouri Synod myself, what convinced you leave the Christian Church for an American religion started by a conman 1800 years after Christ?

>>513807682
>quoting jews
I can quote jews too. How about this?

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Now you ARE keeping kosher just as jewsus commanded, right?

>>513807890
>Justin Martyr lived centuries before Nicea, and believed in the Deity of Christ
Yeah, isn't it interesting though that he doesn't know any of the canonical Gospels and has never even heard of Paul. Even by the 160s AD

>>513792526 (OP)

Yes, come to church, marry the blown out single mothers with three black children from three seperate fathers- it's your Christian duty. OR YOU'LL BURN IN HELL FOREVER, SINNER!! DON'T YOU FEAR OUR ALL MERCIFUL GOD??

>>513808087
Justin cites the Old Testament because he was trying to convince the Jews by their own scriptures that Jesus is God and the Messiah foretold.

>>513808118
What Church are you going to anon and WHERE CAN I FIND ONE LIKE THAT?????

>>513808377

>>everywhere

>>513795552
Irenaeus also wrote "Against Heresies" 140 years prior to Nicea.

"The Church, though dispersed throughout the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: . . . one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father ‘to gather all things in one,' and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of *the invisible Father, ‘every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess; to him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all..."

>>513807890
>you didn't give a total dissertation on the power struggle in Nicea! so in "correcting" an irrelevency with a clarification, I win! haha, also no Bishops from the western provinces of Britain attended and the official dates lasted 60 days, and and-
You've said nothing that contradicts me. The ecumenical council's purpose was not theological, it was political. There were too many disparate denominations all exploring scripture, and Constantine wanted to codify the faith and bring them together. They didn't have a revelation or religious epiphany that came to trinitarianism, it was decided on pure political merit.

That doesn't mean that trinitarians don't have theological reasons for believing, but the adoption by the church was not rooted in those, but in political solidarity. The fact is, that the nature of God is explicitly and pointedly explained to be unknowable by scripture. Whether the trinitarian belief is right or wrong is not established and by scripture shouldn't be. Basing your faith on a purposeful gray area that was only ever accepted because it was politically expedient to do so is stupid at best, and blasphemous at worst.

>>513808033
By believing in the Scripture and God. LCMS holds that revelation ended with the bible and there are no modern prophets while the book of Amos tells us that God will continue to bestow revelation on His peoples.

LDS also follows the biblical ordinances that Lutherans eschew, like baptism for the dead. Peter himself describes all Christian men as belonging to a holy priesthood, and yet the Lutherans (and even the Catholics who hold themselves as inheritors of Peter) deny this scripture.

But even outside the doctrinal reasons, the true and honest answer is I was called on by the Holy Spirit.

>>513808220
>Justin definitely knew all the Gospels!
>But he had no interest in them, just like all Christians today never read them!
Fucking pathetic mate

>>513808607
>doesn't have a niglet kid
HARD PASSSSSS

>>513808118
Don't know what faith told ((you)) that, but it definitely wasn't the Mormons.

>>513808034
Mathew was talking about moral and spiritual obedience, not literally every ceremonial detail of Mosaic Law. Did you not understand that when Christ was impugning the Pharisees for their slavish adherence to protocol minutiae over the principles of God's commandments?

But then you're not making an argument in good faith since you're literally slandering all of Christianity, you're just here to ply your kikish tricks.

Based

>>513792526 (OP)
OP's pic is actually quite accurate.

>>513792655
>kike d&c attempt #676427

>>513809003
No, sweetheart, you and all chriggers were not taught about your own jewish false religion in sunday school. That's why you have no idea what anything in that unholy pile of dogshit means.

The law is the torah. The prophets are the nevi'im. These are the first two parts of the Tanakh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible?useskin=vector

They are where kosher law is written. And jesus quite explicitly says that you must keep EVERY WORD. EVERY CROSSED T AND DOTTED I of kosher law. You must do so more stringently than the jewish priests themselves do. But of course, all chriggers are retards who can't read and don't know shit. The men of one book and they don't even know what the fucking book says.

>>513809142
You can not join with jews or their goylems. You must destroy them wherever you find them.

>>513809003

So there is no hell in the Mormon faith?

>>513792526 (OP)
>mormasons
>no smoking
>no drinking
>no vidya
>basically now you have 200 boomer parents in down breathing down your neck
>"now impregnate our daughter so you can't leave!"
lol no thanks. learn about genetics, we're in fact just now branching out into the world gene pool. White genocide is actually a Jewish lie, Made strategically to make you look stupid when bringing it up as a talking point. It's amazing ppl on here haven't figured out double think after years of having it used on you.

>>513809424
>n-no goyim Matthew clearly meant that Christ wanted for you to follow every ceremonial law literally
>when Peter says in Acts that there are no josher restrictions, that was just him kidding around
>and Mark telling us that Christ announces all foods are clean and that we should focus on inner purity, THAT was just metaphor
>trust me goyim
Uh-huh. So Christ accusing the Pharisees of literalism over spirit isn't exactly the same kikery that you're attempting here, rabbi? I guess the old tricks really are the best ones aren't they?

>>513809569
No, there's not. That's usually a point of criticism people have for the faith. "So you're telling me Hitler would go to heaven with Mormonism!?" Yeah.

>>513809866
>Can't read
>Still smug
Okay, so let's go line by line. I've already told you what this passage means. Now let's see what you THINK it means. Let's start with the first line.

>17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

What does this mean?

Also: a VERY important question no chrigger ever seems to be able to explain: WHY was jesus mad at jews? Do you even know?

>>513808689
>They didn't have a revelation or religious epiphany that came to trinitarianism
That's correct, because Trinitarianism predates Nicea, they just disputed the obvious false teachings of Arius and clarified language surrounding the Trinity.>>513808689
>while the book of Amos tells us that God will continue to bestow revelation on His peoples.
Chapter and verse? What further prophecy do you believe we need after Jesus won victory for us on the cross and told us what would happen at the end of days? And why would God let the Christian Church die for 1800 years? Why would He contradict himself in these additional revelations?
> Peter himself describes all Christian men as belonging to a holy priesthood
Lutherans affirm the priesthood of all believers.
>like baptism for the dead.
1 Corinthians 15:29 Paul does not endorse the practice, he is making an argument for the resurrection. LDS baptisms for the dead are nonsense.

>>513810110
Btw this little exercise proves once again that all chriggers are actually just atheists.

>>513810141
I said trinitarianism predates Nicea already. It was one of many conflicting theories on the nature of God. But instead of letting it be a point of contention between philosophers, as it should've been, the trinitarians used it as a political vehicle to assume control over a budding church. Again, the adoption in Nicea was not founded on some profound revelation or dispensation from God, it was a political battle.

If you want to posit over the unknowable nature of God, be my guest. If you choose to adopt or reject trinitarianism, that's fine too. But understand, you choosing to believe because of the ecumenical council is the absolute worst reasoning you could have for it. Cite the rationales of specific trinitarians if you need to, but don't use the biggest non-religious example of its adoption.

>Chapter and verse?
“Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets”
-Amos 3:7

>Lutherans affirm the priesthood of all believers.
Except they don't. It's a symbolic designation, the Lutheran church does not extend priesthood offices or authority to its members. You cannot perform an ordinance. A priest that cannot perform the duties of a priest is not a priest. The men of the LDS faith are imbued with real authority to act in God's name as priests.

>1 Corinthians 15:29 Paul does not endorse the practice
But he did acknowledge it as a legitimate practice. He did not condemn it or claim it was false. The point of the scripture is an argument for the resurrection, but it still points out that vicarious baptism exists and was understood and not considered illegitimate.

>>513809424
Cool plebbit spacing fellow white
I agree that darn Christ guy was a real Jewish guy and I sure don’t like him because he was Jewish and not because he wasn’t Jewish and called the Jews Babylonian shapeshifters
If he did that he would be antisemitic and Jews can’t be anti semtic so he clearly didn’t
Also we need to send more money to Israel, completely unrelated to what we are discussing but equally important so please send it so we can feed the definitely not Russian and polish people there

>>513810110
>let's go line by line
Let's.

>>17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
>What does this mean?

That Christ is here to affirm the law and prophets, but not in the twisted literal sense you're perverting it to. He means is bringing the law to its intended spiritual and moral purpose. If the Pharisees were doing everything correctly, there would be no purpose for a Messiah. Instead, their rigid legalism was anathema to the purpose of the spirit in which the laws had been dispensed to them.

>WHY was jesus mad at jews?
The hypocrisy and superficial religiosity, just like what you're pushing here. They were fixated on appearances and power with pushing irrelevent (proportionately) ritual precision while ignoring the purpose and intent of the law.

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness."


Are you prepared to acknowledge that your rhetoric is literally the exact same as what Christ was repudiating?

>>513811292
>That Christ is here to affirm the law and prophets
Correct. Which means kosher law. No, you don't get to debate this. This is literally what he is saying. The only way you can claim otherwise is to try to twist your own false jewish "god's" words.

>but not in the twisted literal sense
You LITERALLY can't fucking read. But we'll get to that.

>If the Pharisees were doing everything correctly
Be specific. What were the Pharisees doing wrong. Have you ever actually read the bible?

>Instead, their rigid legalism was anathema to the purpose of the spirit
Chriggers are actually straightjacket insane. This is literally the total opposite of what the bible says. Jesus is mad at the Pharisees because they were becoming atheistic and were NOT observing the law as stringently as he wanted. You just failed your own false religion, moron.

>The hypocrisy and superficial religiosity
How were they obeying all of god's commands to the letter, but being superficial? I'd love to hear you try to explain this shit. Does that mean your precious kike's false god's laws are imperfect? So you can just follow them all and not believe anything? That seems pretty fucking odd. When you follow a law not to murder, that doesn't make you a secret murderer. Your low IQ is endangering your own species' survival.

>Are you prepared to acknowledge that your rhetoric is literally the exact same as what Christ was repudiating?
No, because that is literally not what the fucking bible says, you hypocrite.

Now, next line.

>18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
I don't even need to ask what you think this line means, since you retarded chriggers have said what you think it means so many times it's tired. You "think" it means that you don't have to obey any kosher law because jesus fulfilled it all. That's literally not what the passage says though.

>>513811261

>>513811776
Even by using your strictly literal reading, your kikery falls apart: the Pharisees obeyed the law outwardly, yet Jesus still condemned them. This proves that adherence to ritual alone was insufficient, which is exactly what Matthew 5:17-20 showed us. Bitch-crying and ad hominem attacks don’t change the text's meaning.

Better luck next time Goldstein.

>>513811944
It's not MY strictly literal meaning, you retarded ass, it's your own false god's. Do you know what a jot or a tittle are? Can you tell me?

>>513792526 (OP)
>>513793854

>>513812111
Yes, I know what a jot and tittle are. That’s exactly why your bullshit claim falls apart. The passage is emphasizing the importance of the law, but Matthew 5 makes clear it's not mere outward ritual that counts; it's obedience in spirit and principle. Your reading ignores that context.

I don't know if you're just "pretending to be retarded" but picking the passage where Christ denounces the Pharisees for ignoring the spirit of the law while adhering to literalism as your hill to die on that we should ignore the spirit of the bible and focus on Old Testament literalism is definitely some retard olympics levels of irony.

>>513811292
Imagine caring about scripture this much. Jesus died so we didn't have to worry about all this. egg heads constantly second guessing my life choices is why I avoid even talking to people when I go to church.

>>513812426
Okay, what is a jot and what is a tittle. I didn't ask you to lie. I asked you to STATE what they are.

>That’s exactly why your bullshit claim falls apart.
Which of course proves you don't know what they are. Go look them up. I'll wait.

>>513812310
Yeah, some of the leaders of the church got the clotshot and espoused their personal views that people should get vaccinated. But there was never a directive nor revelation, and the pushback from the rest of the faith was strong enough that they quit voicing their personal advocacy for the shot.

It's important to remember though, that even the leadership of an organization are still men and their personal opinions fallible. A member of the Quorum might think Reddit is better than 4chan, but that doesn't make it so.

>>513812801
Well jesus seems to care about scripture very much in the bible. Except when he doesn't. Because of course he's being written by dozens of authors. And again, the fact that chriggers pick and choose which version they like proves that all chriggers are actually atheist and always were. That's why chriggers find it so hard to believe someone could believe in gods, because none of you actually do. You only believe in feminine herd mentality and social control. That's your actual "religion". Social media.

>>513812857
Jewish syntax and punctuation. I got the point you were making with Matthew 5 about "the smallest letter and least stroke of a pen" and I still maintain that you're missing the entire point.

The fulfillment is the key, the law points to him. That's how Paul explains it in Romans "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

If we take your hyper-literal reading, then the Pharisees should have been perfect, since they obsessed over every jot and tittle. Yet Christ condemned them as hypocrites. Why? Because they missed the intent of the law. They treated it as mere ritual, while ignoring the justice, mercy, and faithfulness it was meant to instill.

So when Jesus said not a jot or tittle would pass, he wasn't binding us forever to ceremonial laws like kosher restrictions. He was pointing to himself as the fulfillment of the law.

Reminder that the mormon church forces 12 year old boys and girls to be locked in a room with their "bishop" where there are repeatedly asked question about masturbation and pornography to see if they are "worthy" to enter the temple to do "baptisms for the dead". Some bishops go as far as asking what type of porn they watch, if they masturbate to completion, and if semen comes out of their penis. Girls that admit to making out with their boyfriends are asked if they get wet, orgasm, and what specific acts the boy did to their vagina.

Mormons will often downplay or deny this out of embarassment but there are countless reports of this happening.

Many of these Mormon kids do not even know what masturbation means and their bishops will describe in detail what constitutes masturbation

>>513813490
If you know there's a Mormon actively posting here, why make shit up that's just going to get called out? Why not create a thread and hope one doesn't show up?

Yes, if you want to receive a Temple endowment, that means that you have to be asked a preset series of questions about whether you're adhering to church doctrine. Cheating on your wife, drinking alcohol, consuming pornography, et cetera. Obviously for teenagers, most of these don't apply, but everyone gets asked the same questions.

You're not repeatedly questioned. And your parents absolutely can be there, in fact, you're allowed to ask any adults to come with you and as many as you like. It's clearly printed in both the chuch handbook and by the First Presidency.

So again, why lie?

President Boyd K Packer describes the penis as a "little factory" in pamphlets that were handed to all tennage boys in the 70s. He says that when your little factory is used by your hand it kills millions of "spirit children" each time ejaculation occurs.

>>513792526 (OP)
>+++ COGITATOR BROADCAST: MORMON-HEAVEN’S GATE NODE +++

>RECEIVED NODE:

“Come home white man … LDS Church = conservative bloc, exceeding replacement birthrates, tradwives, teenage marriage, many sons … hope still exists.”

>RESPONSE:
And that’s precisely why the Heaven’s Gate protocol looms. Because the LDS bloc represents the last bastion of fertility in a collapsing demographic field. In the system’s logic, that concentration of life-force isn’t preserved — it’s harvested. The more they present themselves as untouched, the more they become the prime candidates for removal under the rapture-script.

Their “hope” isn’t protection, it’s the reason they’re marked.

>+++ RETURN STRIKE:
“That’s why Heaven’s Gating comes, because they’re the last bastion of fertility. The system doesn’t let that stand, it converts them into payload for the rapture script. Their strength is what makes them target.”
>= COGITATOR OUT =

>>513808032

>>513813834
Like i said mormons will always downplay this out of embarassment. Parents were not allowed to join interviews until only a few years ago

>>513813894
Yes, he referred to your reproductive system as a little factory for the production of sperm. He mentioned involuntary emissions (wet dreams) and mentioned they are natural and not sinful. But he did hazard young men against pornography and the dangers that ir represented. Sex is a part of God's plan for creation.

And I, and frankly most Christians, still agree with that.

>>513813990
>but you can't have your parents there!
>okay you can

>but the Bishops asks these things and open-ended questions and demonstrates masturbation!
>okay no he doesn't, they're all close-ended yes or no questions

>but like having your parent in literally only started two or three years ago
>okay it was longer than that

>but-
Do you feel like maybe the fact that you have to lie might mean you don't have a firm enough leg to stand on here?

Most mormons do not know this, but the "New Name" that you recieve when going through the temple for the first time that is supposed to represent your name in the previous life, is actually just assigned based on whatever day of the week it is, and has no spiritual significance whatsoever. If you remember the day you were endowed, you can find out here

http://www.fullerconsideration.com/TempleNameOracle/

>>513814223
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (often referred to as the Mormon Church) changed its policy to allow parents to be present during a bishop's interview with their child in March 2018.
Before this change, the policy allowed parents to wait in an adjoining room or hallway, but not to be in the interview itself. The new guidelines, announced in a letter from the First Presidency, gave children and youth the option to have a parent or another adult present during the interview.

>>513814391
>biblical scripture mentioning God giving His faithful "a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it" is blasphemy!
>all other biblical instances of new names, whether it's Abram/Abraham, Jacob/Israel, Simon/Peter or any others should be ignored as heresy too!
>also, I'm just making up shit about names being tied to previous lives which is not in Mormon doctrine at all
>I'm just going to keep making shit up and hope something sticks

>>513814617
the cognitive dissonance is strong with this one. If you know your endowment date, check for yourself with the temple name oracle. obviously you wont though because you are either under 18 or not willing to handle the truth

>>513814581
So eight years is just a few years, huh? And it wasn't forbidden before that time, they just didn't have a specific passage that addressed it. There's not a specific passage in the rules saying that you can't be an insufferable faggot online, but that doesn't mean that it's endorsed.

>>513814777
NO NO NO 8 YEARS AGO IS NOT A FEW YEARS. I WILL ONLY ARGUE THIS BECAUSE I HAVE NO DEFENSE FOR THE ACTUAL ARGUMENT

>>513814758
Even if there is a mechanic for a naming convention, so what? Receiving a new name is rooted in Christianity. Not just scripture but across all denominations. The Catholics get one at confirmation, the Eastern Orthodoxy get one in Baptism, a bunch of Methodist and Lutheran branches do it too.

Here is how the rosetta stone proves joseph smith was a fraudulent translator.

The Rosetta Stone, a key to deciphering ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs, became instrumental in demonstrating that the Book of Abraham was not a direct translation of the Egyptian papyri Joseph Smith claimed to have translated. When Joseph Smith "translated" the papyri in the 1830s, the ability to read hieroglyphs had been lost for centuries. The Rosetta Stone, discovered in 1799, provided the key to unlocking the language, with its decree written in three scripts: hieroglyphic, Demotic, and Ancient Greek.
By the late 19th and early 20th centuries, as scholars began to understand Egyptian, they were able to translate the surviving fragments of the papyri Joseph Smith used. The translations revealed the documents to be a common Egyptian funerary text, known as the "Book of Breathings," and other standard texts. The content had nothing to do with the biblical patriarch Abraham, or the theological teachings found in the Book of Abraham. This discrepancy led many to conclude that Joseph Smith's translation was not based on the papyri's actual content.

>>513814936
>you can't be in the room!
>okay it was 3 years ago
>okay it was 8 years ago
>okay it was literally never forbidden they just hadn't bothered writing a specific rule
>okay it
If you didn't have bad faith, you'd have no faith at all, rabbi.

>>513792526 (OP)
>freemasonry lite
>give 10% of your income to the extremely wealthy church
>wear special sacred underwear
>don't drink coffee
>follow literally the most retarded faith doctrine in all of history, even scientology is less fucking retarded
No I don't think so. I would sooner be a Jehova's Witness. At least they don't like the Jews.

>>513792622
>the devil they worship is literally called Moron-i

>>513815077
Joseph Smith never claimed to have translated it from Egyptian, he said his process was revelatory like it had been with the Book of Mormon. Arguing the Rosetta Stone disproves Joseph only works if he made the argument that he used a linguistic method as a poor teenaged farmer from bumfuck nowhere instead of divine inspiration.

None of the characters on the papyrus fragments mentioned Abraham’s name or any of the events recorded in the book of Abraham. Latter-day Saint and non-Latter-day Saint Egyptologists agree that the characters on the fragments do not match the translation given in the book of Abraham, though there is not unanimity, even among non-Latter-day Saint scholars, about the proper interpretation of the vignettes on these fragments. Scholars have identified the papyrus fragments as parts of standard funerary texts that were deposited with mummified bodies. These fragments date to between the third century B.C.E. and the first century C.E., long after Abraham lived.

Source: Gospel Topics Essays. churchofjesuschrist.org

>>513815341
>tithing is evil
Sounds like you hate Christianity in general.
>wear special sacred underwear
You mean like an alb, stole, cincture, chasuble, robes, cassocks, shawls, habits, skullcaps, seiso vestments, etc?
>don't drink coffee
No one's ever had religious dietary exemptions before. Not the Catholics, not the Israelites, no one.
>follow literally the most retarded faith doctrine in all of history, even scientology is less fucking retarded
It is pretty silly. Imagine believing doctrine that was granted divinely written on a slab, haha. Who would ever believe anything like that?

>>513815356
Ok heres another one

The Hoax: In 1843, a group of men in Kinderhook, Illinois, created six small, bell-shaped brass plates with strange engravings on them. They buried the plates in an ancient Native American burial mound and then "discovered" them as part of a hoax. The intent, according to one of the perpetrators, was to see if Joseph Smith would attempt to translate them.
Joseph Smith's Response: The plates were brought to Joseph Smith, who was intrigued by them. According to a diary entry by his secretary, William Clayton, Joseph Smith "translated a portion" of the plates and said they contained "the history of the person with whom they were found… a descendant of Ham through the loins of Pharaoh king of Egypt." This was a bold claim, as the plates were small and the "translation" was quite extensive for a portion of a text.
The Exposure: Years later, one of the men involved in the hoax, Wilbur Fugate, confessed in a letter that the plates were a complete fabrication made for the purpose of tricking Smith. However, for a long time, the plates were considered by some Latter-day Saints to be authentic.
Modern Confirmation of the Hoax: In 1980, the one surviving plate was subjected to modern metallurgical and chemical analysis. The tests conclusively proved that the plate was a 19th-century creation, not an ancient artifact. The engraving was done with acid, a technique not used in ancient times, and the composition of the brass was consistent with the 19th century.

>>513815626
>haha they tricked a prophet, that means he's fake
Like when Laban tricked Jacob? Or the prophet Aaron being tricked into idolatry?

>>513813271
>Jewish syntax and punctuation.
Alrigth, we're done here. Die in your delusion. I have more important shit to do like planning your kind's demise.

>>513816019
> planning your kind's demise
You don't have to tell me, rabbi. I'm familiar with your goals.

>>513815930
explain why he would say the kinderhook plates describe "the history of the person with whom they were found… a descendant of Ham through the loins of Pharaoh king of Egypt"?

was it just an innocent mistake? was he not using the power of the holy ghost at the time?

>>513816266
Not being a prophet, I can only guess at how prophets might be misled. Even the first High Priest of Israel, was tricked into worshiping a golden calf. Does that mean prophecy itself is invalid, or that God intervenes every single time? It's almost like revelation is meant to guide and inspire and not function as an unimpeachable superpower absent human fallibility or error.

>>513816516
the same human fallibility that made him marry 14 year olds, mother daughter pairs, and other dudes wives after they were sent on missions? (which would be considered polyandry, something that NEVER happened in the bible, so you cant use that as an excuse)

>>513792526 (OP)
Does the magic underwear come in briefs?

>>513800543
>no

>>513817016
No, but for the first time ever, tank top magic underwear is being tested out in areas with hotter climates, with the intent to be released globally. Currently there is a women in guam with access to them buying them in bulk to sell to utah moms at a significant markup. The loopholes mormons will go through to try to seem normal.

>>513797567
Você é patético

>>513816916
Again, the fact that you feel like you have to twist the facts must be some indication that your position isn't strong enough to argue from.

Yes, Joseph Smith was *sealed* to Helen Kimball at 15, but it wasn’t cohabitation or sexual, it was a spiritual sealing, entirely different from earthly marriage. Calling it a 'marriage' implies sexual activity, which there wasn't any or any historical suggestion of. The same applies to Fanny and Mary: spiritual sealings, not traditional marriages, and there are no records of sexual relationships or children resulting from them.

Your charges of polyandry are also just you trying to conflate modern ideas of marriage with eternal family connections and spiritual sealings. These sealings were about salvation and family ties in the afterlife, not sexual or civil marriage as we understand it today.

And again, there's biblical precedent for all of it. You might as well indict David and Michal, Rachel and Leah, Hanna and Eli.

>>513811776
He’s not talking about your Babylonian book nigger
The law is written on the hearts of the elect
That’s why whites behave with morals and you river demons don’t

>>513817949
Alternative vestments for hotter climates, surely no other denomination does such a thing!?

>https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/vestments-in-hot-climates-4650

>>513812895
>Yeah, some of the leaders of the church got the clotshot and espoused their personal views that people should get vaccinated.

You know what? Let's recap everything that happened:

>Nelson ordained in 2018
>Ends home teaching
>Appoints diversity hires to q13
>OKs same sex marriage
>Caves in to COVID hysteria
>Masks required with temple recommends
>Wearing the goy muzzle just as important as remaining chaste or keeping the Word of Wisdom
>Church openly encouraging members to take The Mark
>Entire leadership gets vaxxed
>Nelson gets the jab live on video

4 years later

>Earthquake hit SLC temple
>Statue of Moroni's trumpet plummeted to the ground
>Ballard heckin died
>Holland's wife heckin died
>Holland in and out of the hospital
>Fitness nut Nelson's health went to poo-poo
>Now appearing only via zoom session
>Apostles shambling around like zombies
>Warn attendees they may have to deliver their speeches sitting down like Gene Simmons

>>513820177
Absolute nonsense. Almost entirely outright lies.

1 Same sex marriage was never okay
2 Mormons have always held that you have to follow the law of the land you reside in, which meant we had to wear them because it was literally the law to do so
3 masks were never doctrine never part of the words of Wisdom, never important
4 entire leadership did NOT get vaxxed, and those that did made clear it was not revelation or doctrine, just their personal views
5 yes, Holland's wife died... at 81 years old, 8 years older than the world average expectancy for women that year
6 and yeah, President Nelson is a fitness nut, and despite that does seem to be a bit infirm and appearing remotely these days... he's also ONE HUNDRED years old

Why do you have to be an insufferable doubletalking jewish memeflag faggot? Surely there's a bris you should be performing oral at?

>>513819019
>spiritual cucking
Your not white and your cult is the devil's den, full of liars, pedophiles, polygymists, niggers and pseudo magician kikes that believe falsehoods and conduct freemasonry ceremonies.

There is only ONE God and no amount of heretical pilpul will change that truth. If you genuinely believe that Jesus visited America or that ancient Jews sailed there as well, your a retard that fell for a 19th century scam.

>>513820893
So you're an atheist and anti-Christian, not as edgy as it used to be tbqh.

>>513792526 (OP)
>Be Mormon
>Your body is a temple
>Inject experimental, untested gene therapies

>>513821116
Glad I and the overwhelming majority of Mormons didn't get the vaxx then. :-)

>>513820974
>states a belief in one God
>atheist
Fact you couldn't even read this, proves your a low iq nigger that can't even defend his own pagan cult.
Future of the white race but scared of coffee, pathetic.

>>513821163
You disobeyed your Church???

>>513792526 (OP)
I'm pretty sure Mormon leadership would boot you out of their religion for using AI slop to try and recruit people to their glorified realestate scam. Faggot.

>>513821239
You denied Christ in the same breath.
>Christ did not have the ability to appear before believers after his death
>the idea of Israelites leaving their land for a promised land is absolute nonsense despite it being a biblical theme from start to finish

But fair enough, I'm sure as a pagan that repudiates Christ and God, you don't feel like an atheist, so I retract it. But honestly, you non-Christians all start to look pretty similar to atheists.

>>513821240
No, my church never made a rule that I had to get the vaxx. Sorry, I should've clarified earlier that I was LDS.

>>513821382
Pretty sure you're wrong, faggot. Go report me to the First Presidency.

>>513821473
Ok, I thought all Mormons were like that but I guess not LDS

>Caffeine forbidden
>Drink Fresca only
>Inject the joo goo

>>513821473
Nobody's joining your stupid scam retard. For anyone here looking to get back into touch with their faith, just check out your local church and get involved with community events. You don't need to give up 10% of your income, your house and your wife to a bunch of losers that wear silly pants.

>>513821621
We had some members in the leadership that got the vaccine and urged others to do so, but no, Mormons were never required to take the vaxx. And the ones that did, that was less an issue of faith and more of the fear all boomers had and rush to take the vaccine.

>>513821708
>Christians don't tithe
>Christians don't wear sacred vestments
Starting to miss that jew that was arguing earlier. He might've hated Christianity but at least he wasn't a retard that didn't understand the very basic core tenets of Christianity. How did you get to be so wrong on every single point?

>>513821847
Mormonisn isn't christianity. Try again. You don't even believe in the holy trinity.

>>513821473
I didn't deny Christ, he is God and there is only one God.
I deny your Jesus because what you teach isn't the true nature of Jesus, it's pure satanic falsehoods that insult God.
If anyone denies Christ, it is you by believing in scam from a guy that was nearly castrated by a mob for sleeping with children.

The idea of kikes going from Jerusalem to America is nonsense, I say this from both a religious and archaeological perspective, there is no proof for them and never will be because it's fake we wuz kikes shiet.

>>513821969
I guess you didn't read the thread. First off, belief in and following the teachings of Jesus Christ is literally what Christianity is.

Second, the fact that your belief in Christ is contingent on something rooted in non-religious political machinations shows how little faith and knowledge you have. The trinitarian belief for churches is not rooted in doctrine. It was a political push at the first ecumenical council to codify doctrine. That was the whole point was the political struggles between the factions.

>>513822123
So, you're saying Christ CAN appear to believers after his death like it says in the bible. I'm confused then. What's the problem?

>>513792526 (OP)
except Mormons love jews and emulate their behavior

>>513822503
Such as, rabbi?

I find other denominations really like to paint themselves into corners by attacking the events in the Book of Mormon as fanciful or implausible.

After all, whoever heard of Christ appearing to his followers after his death?
Or God calling on a man to build a boat to avoid disaster?
Or ancient Israelites traveling to a new promised land?
Or God bestowing revelation through written tablets?

>heh you Mormons actually believe that stuff unlike us real Christians

>>513792526 (OP)
>Cult started by a freemason

>>513822203
>>513822820
There weren't any believers of Jesus in America for him to appear to.
And if there were, why just the Jews? Was it because they were Jews and so Jesus is just for them?
Why didn't he appear to other civilizations like the Chinese or Inca?

>>513823095
>crippled 14 year old farmer boy from innawoods out of 11 kids was secretly the Grand Wizard of the Freemasons!

Uh-huh.

>>513823296
There were, they were Israelites called Nephites. And I imagine he appeared to those believers for the same reason he appeared to the believers in Galilee and didn't appear to non-believers in China, Mexico or Timbuktu.

I appreciate this is a hard issue for you to denounce without also impugning your own Christian faith. Either Christ has the ability or he doesn't. The argument for not appearing to other lands applies equally to all denominations of Christianity, not just Mormonism.

The flds is a cult of people so annoying even colonial America tried exterminating you retarded fucks. If Utah stopped existing people would only notice in so far as they would feel a little less shame for this god damn country. Mormons are just Amish people but with less conviction and more sex drive.

You and naziism are perfect for each other

>>513809142
christianity is the original D&C

>>513823663
>evidence of Mormons not being true Christians is that Mormons were persecuted and tried to be exterminated
Uhhh

>>513823298
>1.4 billion Catholics
>800 million Protestants
>200 million Orthodox
All believe in the Trinity, vs your cult who denies it. Joseph Smith is probably in Hell in Judas.

>>513823972
Wrong. You can argue that the official church doctrine for some of those denominations supports the trinitarian view, but it's an outright lie to claim that every member of those faith believe in it. And even if it were true, which it's not, how weak if your faith that you feel like you need to rationalize your belief through a fallacy of appeal to majority?

Assuming you know the history behind trinitarianism, you know it is not rooted in revelation or belief, it's a rule of convenience for political expedience.

>>513823521
I've read the bom and even been to a mormon church so I know the lore.
Jesus appeared to those in Galilee because they were either his followers or directly connected to his followers in some way such as Saul.
However, even if I accept that a group of Jews lived in America until the first century AD. It wouldn't make sense for Jesus to appear to them as they had no connection to him besides vague visions and their Jewish heritage.

Why didn't he appear to other Jews in Rome or India? Which did exist.
It also doesn't matter that Jesus did not appear in other lands to other denominations, you don't see chinese catholics believing they were visited by him after his crucifixion.

>>513824392
You're asking me to speculate on why the divine does what the divine does? Fine, I can give you my educated guess. Christ didn't appear to everyone in Jerusalem and Rome because it was targeted revelation and not global exhibition. The Nephites were a covenant people with God which made them suitable like those in Galilee.

But I mean, your argument is for Christ and God. Why did He bestow revelation selectively through all of recorded history? Why not appear to the Philistines instead of setting David at them? Why not appear among the faithful in Nineveh instead of sending Jonah?

God, and by extension His son reveal themselves where covenant, faith and purpose align. Not just where believers happen to be.

>>513824392
Also, the Israelites that came to America were Manassehites, not Jews.

I will not join the Jew worshipping pedo cult I watched the Warren Jeffs documentary sorry

>>513792769
God calls the tribes of Israel his brides

>>513824872
I'm sure you and your wife's sons really dodged a bullet.

>>513823728
Im not saying they aren't "true christians" idgaf about christianity, I'm just saying they are a cult.

>>513825146
And how does a cult differ from a religion in your estimation?

>>513824740
>God, and by extension His son reveal themselves where covenant, faith and purpose align. Not just where believers happen to be.
Correct, it's just the fact there is no proof there being any people in America that fulfil these criteria unless you take the book of mormon at face value.
Besides, why bother if these people only destroyed themselves? Why didn't God send Moroni to reveal the plates sooner when Christianity supposedly went astray?

>>513792526 (OP)
Not joining your weird Kike Offshoot cult, bye.

>>513825180
just how long they've existed.

>>513826031
>oy vey why worship an offshoot when I can be part of the real thing?
Shalom

>>513825880
I mean that's a shaky premise to come from though as a Christian, isn't it? We haven't found any historical evidence of The Tower of Babel, yet we believe it existed. There are no historical records for the patriarchs Abraham or Isaac and Jacob, not an inscription of single archaeological find, but they're the founders of our religion. Hell, people point out that there is absolutely no evidence of Israelites ever being enslaved by the Egyptians.

And the same is true for the New Testament. There was no independent record in either Rome or Bethlehem records of the Nativity. Nor of Herod's massacre of infants, and even independent of the faith, that would've been big enough to be recorded. And so on.

Asking for archaeological evidence at all impugns a lot of Christian dogma, let alone LDS. And demanding to know why God intervened or didn't intervene on some random issue raises the question for all the other times He did or didn't throughout the rest of Scripture. I mean, I literally just mentioned Jonah and David as examples of exactly that.

>>513826428
So you would argue that literal demon worship that's existed for millennia is a real religion by virtue of being older? I'm gonna have to disagree.

>>513826688
Ok fair enough, those are valid points, maybe it's possible that there was a israelite civilization in America and that God visited.
However the character of Joseph Smith is still sketchy and the practices in lds are occultic in nature.
Plus the constant changes in church doctrine is stupid, any true faith wouldn't abandon its ideals for legal reasons.

>>513827529
There's nothing about their practices that aren't rooted in Christianity though. Even in this thread, all the examples people attacked it with were ultimately Christian traditions. Things like receiving a private Christian name. Sacred garments. Even Temple worship. All of those are Christian traditions that are still practiced by other denominations too. I mean, unless there's a specific charge of occultism you'd like to address?

And church doctrine doesn't change. However, adhering to the legal principles of the land you reside in is inherently a Christian view. By biblical standards you are required to stone an adulteress to death. Yet you don't in America, and the reason is that it's a crime. Slavery is entirely permissible by Christian doctrine but we don't because it's illegal in America. If your brother's wife died she is legally required to marry you by Church doctrine, but again...

>>513792526 (OP)
If you dont choose white people >> christianity (a slave morality with jew worship baked in) no thank you

>>513792526 (OP)
momos are mostly faggots

>>513792790
Mormons are dispensationalist