Thread 513840686

A bunch of finance lizards are in Jackson Hole right now proclaiming that increasing foreign workers is the best way to lower inflation and increase GDP growth.

Have you been there? It's an absolute shit show, like if a Chinese person and a Jew got together and designed a Wild West themed Disneyland.

>importing scab labourers will lower the cost of living
>more men competing over the same resources is.... LE GOOD

In the future, it should be a death penalty to say "GEE DEE PEE" unironically in an argument. It has been universally established that the green number going up makes everyone's life miserable except for boomers with loaded bags and jews. In fact, a bear market and the number crashing would wipe out debtmaxxed landlords and increase the housing supply. Which is why it'll never happen and we're stuck in the Weimar until bread goes to $10k/loaf

Thats the best they got i guess

>>513841293
Reality: all if these boomers need to be turned into paste.

It's all just one giant wealth transfer scheme from young to old.

>>513841334
It's "the best they've got" because the system is in need of fundamental reform but they're too proud, old, and bought off to accept that. So instead they'll kick the can down the road with money printing, mass immigration, and the wholesale sell out of their children's futures just to buy another decade or two of the deteriorating status quo to make sure they keep their pensions and cruises and portfolios before they all die off

>>513840686 (OP)
ending feminism would boost it even more

>>513841769
nah its bottom 90 to top 0,01

>>513840686 (OP)
BASED
Trump will do as they say because they are rich

>>513840686 (OP)
Well, that's not what we are doing, anymore.
So, the galaxy brains in Jackson Hole better come up with something the fuck else.

>>513841108
>American born people will totally pick the crops even tho they’re all super rich and elite and expect 200k salaries minimum and their daddies have yachts

>>513841293
>raising GDP is bad, I love being poor!

Go to Africa if you want to live in a shithole. Immigration makes everyone rich

>>513842061
The 0.1% are the ones getting fucked. They’re being taxed to death to pay for welfare

>>513842297
Explain to me how they made Americans in the 90s, 80s 70, or 60s, or 50s, or 40s, or 30s, or 20s, or 10s pick crops? Shut the fuck up faggot pajeet. Blow your brains out.

>>513842348
You're Indian and you will be deported.

>>513841293
>boomers
employee of the month material right there

>>513842473
They had immigrants you fucking retard. America has always had immigrants

>>513842592
>nooooooooooo you can’t blame boomers who live in big houses you have to blame billionnaires who actually create jobs and invest in companies s

>>513840686 (OP)
except literally ever stat ever shows that they take out more than they pay in

>>513842297
>noooo you can't just let businesses fail if they can only survive by paying slave wages

>>513842371
cantillon effect my desi friend

>>513841769
The old are transferring it to the medical industry

>>513842604
You’re fucking stupid, kill yourself. America was 90% white and young white men would harvest their own shit. Don’t try to educate me about my own continent you filthy shitskin.

>>513842683
>I hate elites because they have too much money but I want anyone who works any job to be paid more than the elites

>>513842685
Cantillion effect only benefits the bottom 90%

>>513842794
They had immigrants you dummy

>>513840686 (OP)
>Cleared hot

>>513840686 (OP)
Germany pays 109 billion per year to 5.5 million migrants who have never worked.

That is 109 billion out of their 1,860 billion Euro's revenue.

>>513840686 (OP)
Really? Pumping more people into an overpopulated capitalist nightmare made it look like organic economic growth? That's crazy.

>>513843077
Steve Jobs born to immigrants create millions of jobs also look at Elon Musk

>>513843125
America is a literal utopian society it’s cruel to keep people out

>>513842604
Immigrants from Europe, before there was a welfare state. I.e not thirdies like you.

>>513843189
So then abolish welfare and make it so only European immigrants can come

>>513840686 (OP)
Who even elected that tranny EU chief? Although it would be a shitty job dealing with that many faggots everyday.

>>513842912
The elite class, much like the upper-middle class, should have had this dawn on them long ago, but it seems far too confusing for most of them. Everyone under the age of 40 is some flavor of socialist.
The only question is if its nationalist or democratic.

>>513843268
Nobody under 40 supports socialism. They are all capitalists to the T

Uh, no, OP, they're bot in Jackson Hole. They are in Jackson, Wyoming. If there are staying at the base of the ski resort, they are in Teton Village. Jackson HOLE is the resort with the big red tram. Jackson is the town where the lizards go. Got it? Good.

>>513840686 (OP)
>HECKIN’ COMMUNISTS!

…while it’s literally capitalism doing it.

>>513840686 (OP)
Inflation has nothing to do with immigration. Anyone telling you otherwise is a lying propagandist.

>>513843353
You are a delusional coping retard who has, quite literally, no idea what the fuck is coming.
Everyone under 40 has been fucked completely. Their careers were either never able to begin or ruined by COVID. Housing means you must live in an apartment with roommates until you are well over 30. Home ownership is barely even a dream for the average professional, because all professional jobs are in extremely high-cost areas. 40-60% of the average person's income is spent on rent.
To Boomers and Gen Xers, I am the truest capitalist. To my fellow Millenials, and to those in Gen Z, I am a national socialist. The people on the left will always agree with me more than they will with you. The left behind are not happy, and there are VASTLY more who were left behind than there are people who succeeded. You have imported millions and created zero new jobs for them to do. You stole the birthright of the citizenry of your nation, and gave it to people who refused to assimilate.
Enjoy the future you chose.

>>513843648
anon the phrasing says economy not GDP that is the first brow raiser

>>513843674
You are extremely retarded. Go talk to a young person

Our lives are shit. We can’t afford houses we can’t even afford apartments we can’t even get fucking jobs. I can barely even keep the lights on. Socialism has completely fucked my life and fucked so many young peoples lives. You are delusional if you think we don’t want revenge

>>513843882
Socialism for the rich. EXTREME socialism for the rich. Right down to giving them cheap labour to hire at the expense of literally everything else.

>>513843173
kys

>>513843939
It is socialism for the rich. The rich have been taxed to fucking death by you socialists so they have zero money to create jobs for me even tho I have a degree. And of course they won’t invest either because it will just all be taxed and given to transgender surgeries in other countries d

>>513844039
Lol, rich people don't pay taxes you fucking retard. The upper middle class, maybe.

>>513840686 (OP)
That's extraction, not growth

>>513844039
Oh and as far as investment goes, the ACTUAL, rich get free fucking money. They don't care when inflation goes up, it's good for them, it means they use their free money via nepotistic access to the money printer (big banks, the vast majority of money is created by banks), to buy up assets and fuck everyone who doesn't have said access.

You have a 1980s Reagan retard understanding of the economy. It's socialism that's killing it, and it's socialism for the uber rich.

>>513844071
You’re incredibly fucking stupid. I was about to say in your country but you live in Canada. A progressive tax system ensures only the wealthy pay tax, if you make under a certain amount you GET money via welfare and Ontario Works in Ontario. You’re very stupid

>>513844201
The baubles and shit that goes to the actual tax system is nothing. You have no understanding of the depth of theft carried out by the actual wealthy. You see marginal tax rates and think rich people actually pay them. You're a useful idiot that has zero understanding of the money creation system. The economy is one giant, fucking scam.

>>513844175
Are you one of those morons that thinks the central bank prints money and gives it to rich people and that all money is debt backed credit via fractional reserve?

If so I’m talking to a legit 70IQ retard with no understanding of exonomics. I thought that when I was 13 and got into federal reserve conspiracies

>>513843077
Divide 110 billion euros between the number of German newborn children (actual Germans, not aliens), that's how much you can afford to pay the parents of each child born per year.

>>513844265
Go read some more Mises and Freidman you stupid fucker. Useful moron led around by the nose by jews.

>>513844253
You’re a moron with no understanding of economics. The government literally exist to fuck the rich. You are a useful idiot for the socialists that want to fuck over every rich person which would turn our country into Veneswuala so that they can give it to homeless drug addicts.

You don’t know how money is created, you don’t know how taxes work, you’re a child or have a childlike understanding of the system

>>513844303
I will, they’re real economists. Go watch more Alex Jones nutjob. Morons like you should be no where bear a voting booth.

>>513844331
My god actual retards like you still exist. Fascinating. You think people receiving an INCOME and pay INCOME taxes, are rich. How poor ARE you?

>>513841293
>In fact, a bear market and the number crashing would wipe out debtmaxxed landlords and increase the housing supply.
Ha. HAHAHAAHA!!
This happened in 2008 and the government bailed them out. And next time around the same exact shit will happen guaranteed.
Now can the system handle that happening all over again, who knows, but the immediate result will be very bad things.

>>513843882
As the other anon said: that is because you live under a socialist society that only applies to the ultrawealthy. The ultrawealthy take the vast majority of tax money into their companies, which they spend hiring foreigners to leech from the nation like vipers. Microsoft fires 9000 people, says they're replacing them with AI, then puts up a request for 9000 H1Bs.
It's coming to an end. Nobody fucking cares anymore. They will stop importing endless people to steal jobs from the underclasses, or they will be killed. That is the reality of the situation.
The people are saying "Stop trying to import foreigners to ensure there's housing pressure and a real estate float" and that is extremely scary from the masses if you own tons of property.
If they continue to ignore the cries of the people, the people will start to elect vastly more and more radical representatives until they find some who do. And they no longer care about the pretty label next to their name. You already see this in action, with how the parties in EU and the US have turned to:
>infinity immigrants forever
and
>FUCKING KILL THEM

>>513844354
They're fucking jews. Morons like you should be sterilized. Maybe we should export more of a our industrial base to China and compete with slaves, because THAT's good for the nation.

Treasonous fucker. God I hate you people, didn't think there were any still stupid enough to post on pol. He thinks fucking welfare niggers are the problem, good lord. The biggest parasites on Earth are your Bronfmans and Irvings, the rest of their ilk.

>>513840686 (OP)
They're all in one place, fire for effect, repeat, repeat.

>>513844413
He's hopeless. He thinks jewish Austrian/Chicago school economists are anything other than lying nation wrecking jews.

>>513844371
I literally come from an extremely wealthy elite family. We paid tax. I know I said I’m struggling but that’s because I’m a college grad trying to get a job. My family is the elite that you bitch about.

I truly thought all the stupid people who believed these central bank conspiracies and this whole “rich people don’t pay tax” thing all became deep state/vaccine types. I didn’t know people as dumb as you and I (at age 13) still were around

>>513844413
Socialism for the wealthy still impacts me because when you tax the wealthy to death and steal all their money to give to LGBT then they have no money left over to hire me.

If we stopped taxing the rich to death they’d have money to invest

>>513844523
You're not elite, not even fucking close. Absolutely NO ONE made more money from our bullshit tax and immigration policies than the ultra wealthy. Go fuck yourself, shit eating jew lover.

>>513844425
You are a traitor to Canada. Opposing free trade with China a country that exports billions of dollars of goods to us, literally means you want to lower the quality of life for your countrymen.

You are an absolute traitor! But yeah I’m sure bringing back manufacturing is such a great idea! Socialism totally makes us rich!

>>513844624
Their isn't enough fucking rope for people like you.

>>513840686 (OP)
They gave them free money to spend. If they did that with the people who lived there the same thing would happen.

>>513844425
Stupid people like you is why I don’t believe in democraxy

>>513844489
Go watch Milton Friedman and try to debunk him

>>513844585
I am the elite and guess what moron, so are you.

If you truly pay tax like you say you do then you are the elite. You are using an IPhone right now or laptop made from Congo slaves. You have access to free healthcare that billlions don’t have. You have water food shelter you have a fucking electrical power at your whim 24/7. You are the elite.


But you want to throw all that shit away so a transgender lesbian homeless drug addict in Uganda can get more aids medicine

>>513844413
>the people will start to elect vastly more and more radical representatives until they find some who do [care].

This is the first and biggest mistake: outsourcing our agency and initiative to someone who's already in, "the Club." The fallout from Epstein should've taught everybody: they're all compromised. Hell, DOGE should've taught everyone they're ALL. FUCKING. IN ON IT. You don't make it in if you aren't. Trust that.

The Founders didn't wait around and prop someone up to lead them - no. They all knew what they believed, found likeminded people and formed committees and bodies to start solving the problems. That's why it's so hard to find a, "Leader," for the American Revolution or even during the War of Independence. Yeah people talk about Washington, but he didn't actually have political power and was barely involved in the controversy that lead up to the rebellion which started in the 1750s. This I think is one of the biggest reasons it worked: there was no one guy the Lobsterbacks could run in on before sunrise and drag away to be hung and take the wind out of it.

>>513840686 (OP)
It is. Pandemic inflation was largely tied to all the boomers retiring/ early retiring, because the media told them they'd die if they caught the coof. Companies & organizations had to go on a hiring frenzy to replace them, and wages shot through the roof.

Boomers are the biggest consumer demographic (in the US), so they're still demanding goods and services, but they aren't making goods and services, because they've retired. We end up with too many dollars chasing too few goods and services -- inflation. An 18 year old econ undergraduate with a 100 IQ understands this.

Unless you have some magic solution to increase birth rates, this problem will continue to get worse. I notice you offer exactly zero solutions in your post.

The housing market is absolutely fucked without more people, btw, and if you're in construction, you'd be a complete fucking moron to think shrinking populations are good for business.

>>513844804
Then why was it so hard to get a job during Covid???

>>513844719

Anon, I will say this as nicely as possible, you're dumb as fuck.

The reason you can't buy a house in Canada right now, the reason you can't get a job, is because hordes of jeets have been let in to increase economic activity and you're on the receiving end of it.

Watching libertarian cope always makes me laugh, some form of socialism is coming. It's just a question of if it's national or not.

>>513844654
I don't believe in democracy either, the first fucking thing we do is toss out any shithead who wants to sell the nation to the CCP, and import millions of street shitting Indians for the benefit of neo-feudalist oligarchs.

Richard Werner, the guy who created quantitative easing, says you're a fucking idiot, and your childs understanding of economics belongs in the econ 101 lecture hall, and nowhere else.

>>513844879
I truly don’t know why we let 65IQ tards like you vote.

My problems have nothing to do with Indians, not a zip. I’m actually half Indian myself

One day we will actually have open borders and capitalism, and when things actually do improve I will laugh at you for being wrong on every issue.

Intelligent people are starting to reject nationalism and the tide is changing

>>513844983
>Intelligent people are starting to reject nationalism and the tide is changing
Literally the opposite, the entire globalist project was found to be batshit retarded and is in full retreat outside of desperate actions by soon to be dead men.

>>513844895
I say we take anybody who opposes free trade and immigration and we jail them for economic terrorism. Your hatred of globalism is so intense that you will fuck over your countries middle class and poor just to see less Jeets

You have a childlike understanding of economics, demographics, and trade. You believe that immigration lowers the quality of life of the receiving nation. That alone puts you more stupid than I was at 12 and just discovering these concepts. No educated person agrees with that and it’s embarassing if you’re an adult

>>513844983

>I’m actually half Indian myself

They clearly aren't sending their brightest.

>>513845062
Stupid uneducated people are supporting populist leaders yes.

Educated people don’t

>>513844796
I agree with you, but the issue with truly radical action is that coordination is extremely dangerous and the network of likeminded individuals is spread far too thin. The people who think like you and I would need to exist vastly closer if we desired true revolutionary action. I do not think it is particularly easy to create a properly radical collective, just because the general population is so brutally demoralized. You have to spend vastly too much time functionally incepting normalfags into radical thought and this frustrates the vast majority of radicals for obvious reasons.
I do think there will be no 'true' leader for this one. It's going to be somewhat collectivist, eclectic, and have a shitload of fucking weird and wacky ideas from every side of the aisle.
In the end, lolberts and libtards and neocons and fencesitters are all going to be forced to learn that EVERY extreme can be on the same team.

>>513845111

Anon, visit /cscareerquestions or frankly any white collar discussion form.

Hatred of your kind had grown so much even leddit wants to deport you all.

>>513845078
Maybe not but I’m smarter than everyone in this thread. I’m certainly way more educated

>>513845178
Ok and crash the economy??? You need us more than we need you

>>513845179
You were educated on jewish filth and nation wrecking lies dressed up as economic science.

>>513845223
You were educated by Alex Jones cocaine rants

>>513845203

Nothing of value would be lost other than a lot of mediocre developers will get removed and replaced by native born people, and a drastic reduction in housing costs. All around it would be a huge gain except for the finance jews(who happen to parrot the same BS you do).

>>513845254
I have a formal education in economics from top 5 Canadian university before they brought in Indians and shit up the place, even before it was full of chinks. You're a dumb fuck, and you should go the fuck to India, a country where pushing globalism is actually an improvement for it.

>>513845291
And when the job market tanks, inflation skyrockets, gdp goes down, lower wages, etc etc etc.

National debt anyone??? Your economy needs people who work if you deport us all then no work gets done currency becomes worth less

>>513845321
Lmaoooooo no you didn’t.

You are against free trade, immigration, and think the wealthy don’t pay tax.

You haven’t stepped in a college ever. Meanwhile I actually have a masters in economics from UBC. Literally nobody in that department would agree with anything you said, they’d all say you’re retarded. Even an average 13 year old would know you’re stupid

>>513845345
Indian immigrants are a net negative you fucking moron. They take in more services and give back less than the native born, they jack up asset prices, and turn the place into a literal dangerous, disgusting shithole.

You're all going back and you won't do shit.

>>513842297
Labor should be expensive so robotics can flourish.
If you disagree you can go back to india and see benefits of 1dollar a day slave labor.

how is wage suppression supposed to increase tax revenue

>>513845434
If we come into a country and build a bunch of housing units and apartments we can improve the place and bring down costs

>>513845429
I absolutely did you fucking idiot, and UBC is TRASH now because it's full of fucking INDIANS. Embarrassed to have it on my CV.

>>513845488
Get fucked you street shitting piece of shit. You're going back, your filthy culture doesn't belong here. What's started in the US is just a taste of what's going to happen here. You're going to have zero chance to offload your assets, they're going up for auction with the proceeds going to the state.

>>513845451
If you actually believe that go to Cuba or Venezuela and see how well socialism works

>>513845345
Why would the job market tank after removing people? It's called supply and demand. There are plenty of people already here who want to work, but can't get a job due to foreigners already filling them for slave wages. Less foreigners means more jobs for the citizenry. Wages increase because competition is now fiercer due to a lower population. Housing prices go down because there are less people who need to be housed.
I cannot stress enough how little young people give a shit about the GDP, the stock market, or inflation. Their lives are over.
Frankly, the fact that you keep insisting how intelligent you are compared to other people in the thread is pretty embarrassing, because your average post reeks of room temp at best in terms of syntax, vocabulary, and argument. Intelligent people don't keep insisting they are intelligent. It's obvious from speaking to them.

>>513845477
I’m saying we boost wages and therefore more taxes come in because it’s a a % of taxes

>>513845492
You just bragged about going lol

>>513845345

The job market has already tanked due a saturation of indians shitting up every white collar job sector, they also drastically increase housing costs due to over crowding.

Indians aren't a net benefit to anyone, fortunately I'm a sector that doesn't allow foreigners(military technology) but it's obvious all of you need to be deported.

And we haven't even talked about the threat you are to national security.

>>513845598
I wasn't bragging you shit eating parasite. That formal education was fucking worthless. Looking at actual capital flows and the actual *effects* of modern banking and open borders, it becomes woefully obvious that formal education was jewish lies.

>>513841293
Based I hope for robots and 0 gdp future.
>>513844372
Money isnt real anyways. They can print as much as they want. Poeple will start killing cops cutting pipelines and taking land like barbarians in ancient rome if bread reaches 10k.

>>513845544
I can tell you’re very uneducated just by the way you write and your poor sentence structure and low Iq arguments.

When you deport people, their spending stops. That means less demand for goods and services and the labor derived from them. It’s basic supply and demand. You kick out all the Indians, suddenly stores see less customers and have to fire employees, then there’s less spending due to less employees and the cycle continues.

Also the supply side. You kick out workers it causes gdp to go down.

>>513840686 (OP)
Lol. Imagine thinking numbers don't have a psychological element. These people are autistic as fuck.

>>513845649
Just look at Canada if you want to see the failures of socialism. Young people have zero hope of getting jobs or houses.

>>513842348
You know the result of mass immigration is turning Canada into India right?

>>513845691
Those stores right now hire Indians, which we don't want. Indians also bring numerous service parasites like their grandparents and welfare bums. They also commit fraud, cause accidents, and spread filth.

>>513845719
Wow I'm sure it was SOCIALISM that brought millions of people in and jacked up demand for housing, it wasn't rich cocksuckers that preach globalism to increase the value of their assets.

>>513845775
Ah yes I’m sure it was totally capitalist open border libertarianism which decided to tax the rich people to death to give it to transgenders in Malaysia and then pass 10,0000 laws on zoning so no new buildings could be built, jacking up prices.

Oh and then running massive deficits to give free shit to poor homeless drug addicts, printing money to finance it and fuck over the value of the dollar, that’s so Milton Friedman!

>>513844804
Complete horseshit btw. If there was a labor shortage then wages would be high. Instead they are very low, and there are very few jobs available. I live in an area of about 300,000 people and there are hardly any jobs, and most of those pay so low that you need a roomate to qualify for the shittiest cheapest rent. It didn't used to be this bad, and it's getting worse each year.

>>513845831
It's literally impossible to build as many fucking homes as needed, even shitty commie blocks, as we've brought in street shitting human trash such as your countrymen. Most homeless drug addicts ended up there because they didn't have some nepotistic thieves to cover their ass. You and the rest of your kind, you're going back. You won't do shit to stop it. This country isn't going to turn into India.

>>513840686 (OP)
Immigrants boost an economy the same way getting shot lowers your blood pressure.

This diversity and mass immigration grift to increase the GDP is just exchanging social capital into hard capital. You're ruining communities for a quick buck.

>>513845691
The fact you delivered my own insult back at me without changing a single variable about it is all the proof I need.
I see why India so greedily devours the ambrosia of AI, which allows them to at least, for a blissful, temporary moment, to pretend as if they have achieved higher cognitive functionality.
I do not care about GDP. Nobody does except the wealthy. I do not care about stores having less customers, because it means they will have to lower their prices due to the lack of demand. I do not care if employees are fired, because all the companies in my nation understaff every store regardless to leech off the labour of the poor and make them suffer indignities for a wage that cannot even allow them to afford the right to exist.

>>513841108
Pretty much. Life gets more expensive, slavery conditions, but the people investing get the green line to go up which is great (for them)

>>513845881
I know elites that work and they have roommates too.

>>513844372
Banks here are already stealth bailing condo owners and by extension themselves

>>513845179
Such a jeet thing to say.
>I have paper that says Im smart
How are you half jeet how did your parents meet?
Is it crack whore white mother + jeet father.
Or obese 80year old + young jeeta.

>>513845912
Mark Carney won’t do shit

>>513845533
How is necessity fueling innovation socialism?
When human capital is cheap, you get poor wages and poor working conditions. Why would I support that?

>>513845950
The fact that you don’t care about GDP is all the proof I need that you’re uneducated

>>513844331
You are extremely evil, and extremely jewish. Wish you the best in the future, bud.

>>513840686 (OP)
of course it does, because gdp = debt owed to jews. Introduce new people = introduce new debters = line goes up. jews have inflated 99% of fiat currency's value away. there are no more westerners to milk. so they bring in new people who take on new debts which increases gdp. they take those loans and purchase products so line goes up more.

>>513846002
You're not elite if you're fucking broke you retard credential worshipping shit stain.

>>513845691
You are dumb, Ranjeet. You are so dumb you can't comprehend that you are dumb. Immigrants are not bringing the money with them that they spend into the economy, they compete with citizens to earn that money then they compete with citizens to buy housing and good with the money they earn. This lowers wages and increases prices.
Indians don't care because it's still 10000x better than being in India, and you are apparently mindless insects with no thought for why that is.
You should all be exterminated.

>>513846011
My mom is Indian my dad is part of the global elite

>>513846048
Im saying you should support free markets and more immigration to boost wages and economy

>>513845533
>Cuba or Venezuela
Both countries with cheap labor.
Not as cheap as country you are from but compared to the rest of the world Venezuela and cuba are cheap.

Also both countries are more preferable to live in than India. A country with ton of cheap labor. Acording to your low iq logic india should be the best place on the planet.

>>513846073
How am I evil?

>>513842965
im so sick of disingenuous shitskins. Whites shouldn't argue with subhumans at all, nothing will change for the better unless we send all nonwhites back to their shitholes

>>513846076
You literally went to UBC, you are the elite parasite that is sucking Canada Dry you are the oligarch.

You have all the money and you went to ubc

>>513846155
Holy shit if you actually have an econ degree get your fucking money back. Increasing the supply of labour LOWERS wages you dumb fucker. It also reduces the need to innovate as you can throw cheap workers at a problem. High immigration and cheap labour is the bane of an advanced economy.

>>513846194
They're not going peacefully. It will take a lot of violence.

>>513842348
>Immigration makes everyone rich
Australia has had mass migration over the last 20ish years and seen the biggest drop in quality of life for the working and middle class in the western world.
Immigration makes the top 10% wealthier and the top 1% a lot wealthier.

>>513846178
You are extra evil for lying. Just be honest that you are a parasite. Poeple didnt consent to you invading their country.You can move to india or izrael they share your culture of lies and subversion.

>>513846255
UBC is a joke institution if they passed you. Increasing labor supply increases GDP which raises wages. You can’t increase real wages sustainably without increasing productivity and GDP.

You also don’t need to innovate if you have cheaper labor. Innovation is needed as a substitute for when labor becomes too expensive but it’s very capital intensive and not preferable. Again you know Jack shit about economics

>>513845076
All of you jeets absolutely need to die.

>>513846155
Address the question of human capital you barely sentient turd.

>>513846335
Ok this is bait.

>>513846289
America had highest rates of immigration in the 1880s and real wages rose 5% a year.

Also in the 50s America had immigration and things were great

>>513845719
hey now, if you think it's hard up north, try coming down a bit south, it ain't no picnic in capitalist countries either.

>>513846319
People voted for immigration

>>513846370
I already wrote you off as a troll like 50 posts ago. Nobody who claims to be educated in Econ would say anything you said unless they were trolling

>>513846406
Absolutely no one, ever would argue increasing the supply of labour will raise wages. Not even the scummiest jewish economist. You're either mentally challenged, or trolling.

>>513844804
Nigger, boomers and economists are lazy fuckers who are addicted to low productivity labor and allergic to capital investment in technology. Reality: there is no fucking reason for most jobs to exist with automation.

>>513840686 (OP)
>cause inflation
>GBPgoes "up"
>"SEE, WE TOLD YOU"

>>513846406
>People voted for immigration
If you mean by 'people' you mean a handful of powerful jews in power.
California fucking voted against immigration, it was overturned by a single jewess.

Pro-migrants are all traitors

>>513844983
Only White people support capitalism and democracy. The entire rest of the world votes for socialism and clannishness for their own tribe.

>>513846406
Ok now i know you are a troll or a glowie.
You are still low iq as fuck.

>>513846378
In the 50s America had barely any immigration. The American Melting Pot project did not begin until the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which you would know if you were educated in economics.

>>513845321
>Top 5 Canadian university
Wow you won the Special Olympics.

>>513846123
Kek. You aren’t human. You are part feces, lmao

>>513846551
99% of White people have no fucking clue what they support. They support 'capitalism' (corporate socialism) and they support 'democracy' (jewish oligarchy).

>>513846584
Eh back in the day it was ok, but econ was all jewish lies.

>>513846444
Milton Friedman literwlly said that.

Not a single person would ever claim that something that boosts GDP (immigration) wouldn’t raise wages.

You are a troll, even an extreme racist would know saying something that stupid doesn’t help their case. Nobody denies immigrants are good economically, even Richard Spencer

>>513844265
>that thinks the central bank prints money and gives it to rich people
It's actually private banks themselves print money when they make a loan.
Then you take mortgage and pay 35-50% of your income to bank for bank's privilege of money creation.
You are economically illiterate.

>>513846527
If you oppose immigration you’re a traitor to your nation

>>513846635
Holy fuck, this stupid piece of shit doesn't know wages are per capita. PER CAPITA wages go down when you increase the labour supply you street shitting fecaloid.

>>513846319
I literally identified you as a troll when you brought up cheap labor and said I should move to India and that robotics are better

No one is that stupid

>>513840686 (OP)
>Immigration boosted Europe's economy
I'm sure it did.

>>513846699
Increasing gdp/capita will have a positive causal relationship with wages… but you know this and you’re ragebaiting me

>>513846726
Yes because socialism works so well

>Lagarde
The hag that should be in prison has something to say?

>>513846740
Increasing the number of shitskins on welfare doesn't increase GDP per Capita, it only increases GDP, and by extension reduces GDP per capita.

>>513846641
You pay off that loan over 30 years, you don’t pay them right away. You are paying for getting the money now.

You're an economically illiterate loser

Libertarianism is quite literally a mental illness. They unironically think Mohammed the inbred cousin fucker working the night shift in some shithole abbatoir will see the light and start worshipping Milton Friedman. It's a sort of autism that flattens all people and cultures into fungible economic units. They really just cannot conceieve of people having their own interests outside of materialism. No, in reality with third world mass immigration you get a critical mass of clannish third world browns in a country and they vote for infinity welfare for themselves.

>>513841108
underrated
Delivery and taxi driving must be the cornerstones of any European GDP then

>>513846789
Bringing in geniuses to work at Nvidia and invent insane shit or bringing in scientists who invent crazy shit absolutely boosts per capira gdp

>>513846825
You think 100% of all Indians are terrorists that’s a mental illness

>>513846444
You underestimate the shamelessness of our priests

>>513846061
GDP doesn't catch structural distribution of income

>>513846740
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Mass immigration increases GROSS GDP, not per capita. Fecaloid dumb fuck. If all of sudden the entirety of India was imported to Canada, the GDP per capita would plummet, because Indians are retarded, corrupt, clout chasing subhumans that can't manage a modern economy.

>>513846657
Look, the only reason you support immigration is because you are brown and you hate and fear White people. That's it.
Your globalist pose is self interested because you can and will be deported. All of your "arguments" are post hoc justification for your unnatural existence in a White country.

>>513846879
True, I'm sure I could find an example.

>>513846893
You’re so fucking stupid, it increases both gross and per capira gdp.

If you import a genius from India who works at NVIDEA and he invents a new technology that delivers billions… that one indian just increased gdp by far more than the average Canadian. That brings up the average GDP aka GDP/capita

Once again you’re incredibly
Dumb

>>513846335
>Increasing labor supply increases GDP which raises wages
Boomers had $70/hr min wage in current money. So much for GDP growth increasing wages meme.

jesus christ, has nobody found a solution to a post-growth society?

>>513846844
>Bringing in geniuses to work at Nvidia
Protip the average IQ of india is like 75.
If you want geniuses you go to Europe or America or where White people are.
Notice how Nvidia cards are worse than ever? Oops I wonder if jeets are responsible for the lack of innovation!

>>513846844
Okay, that's not what's happening though. The shitskins are working fast food and delivery jobs. Just because 1% of them are working useful jobs does not justify the other 99% being here.

>>513846966
Boomers had immigration that’s why. Immigration as a % of population was higher for boomers

>>513846706
>0 counter arguments given
Good must be sar glowie.

>>513847003
Please refer to >>513846576 you insect. Where's the immigration, motherfucker?

>>513846878
I think you are biological clannish waste who ruin every place you step foot. People are a reflection of the countries they come from. Get enough Indians in one place and you just get more India. India is a shithole because it is filled with retarded low trust grifters such as yourself, people who prize lying and scheming over honest work.

Magic dirt does not exist. You people are backwards and are forever beholden to Moloch traps.

>>513846962
First off India's IQ is so low there are actually less geniuses in India than Canada. Actually there's less than have been imported into Silicon Valley in the last year. For every even average intelligence Indian, there are a 10,000 by-the-book retards. That's why mass third world immigration creates downward pressure on GDP per capita, as we've seen in every developed nation.

>>513847003
>Boomers imported infinite third worlders
Nigger you can see pictures of the 50's and 60's and the streets are almost entirely White. Lmao.

>>513840686 (OP)
>>513846967
If theres less people yes the economy will slow, but if theres less people it also means employers have to actually look out for their people and treat them well, they cant just replace you.
Low birth rates and whatnot are a corpo problem but theyve gaslit us all into thinking its ours.

>>513846796
You are literally Indian and nothing you say or think has any value

>>513846796
>You are paying for getting the money now.
Money that didn't n't exist,money that was created by bank out of thin air when bank made that loan.

Then over 30 years you pay at least 35% of your income to a bank for bank's privilege of that money creation.
On the way housing prices become completely unreachable for people not going into debt slavery.

>>513846967
Technology.
We don't need infinity biological filth from the turd world. Slavery in the south ended not because the south "lost" the war, the south lost the real war when Eli Whitney invented the cotten gin.

>>513846370
Everything he writes is bait.
When called out he just responds with another bait.
Seems like glowies are scared of this topic. Dont respond to him he is just derailing the discussion.

I'm embarrassed I'm engaging with this guy, but also confused why he's spend 60 posts merely pretending

>>513847173
I think you're right. I've seen this bait before.

>MFW when a thread talking about how immigrants are bad, unironic shadow-organizations send bots and shitskins to derail it
How fucking afraid and pathetic must you be, to control the world but target an individual thread on an internet-racist website?

>>513840686 (OP)
The jobs.new h1b thing has opened my eyes. It's not that Americans dont want to do these jobs. It's that they don't want to hire Americans. What a farce.

>>513846123
>part of the global elite
Ye because he is old and obese and thats global elite for sar standards.
He probably bought your mother when she was 8 for 100 dollars from village elder.

people need to stop bringing up the 50s. the 50s was a fucking aberration.
All of Europe and Asia was literally turned to rubble after WW2. The only advanced place left untouched was America.
EVERY country in the world had no choice buy to their shit from America because of it.
Hence the good times boomers love to bring up.
Those times are never coming back unless there's another world war to obliterate the rest of the world back to rubble again.

A country whose sole purpose is to inflate economic indicators can hardly be called a country anymore.
A country of financiers who buy and sell real estate and remotely operate factories set up in other countries, even if its GDP rises by definition, creates little material value, yet strongly believes that its financial power is coercive. They firmly believe that their loyalty to their country can be bought by presenting economic indicators on paper.
It is truly a nihilistic and empty money worship. Even so, they are still trying to deceive people by pretending to be a meaningful country in order to exploit them cheaply.

>>513847288
Bulshit theory.
Productivity is 40x times higher for most workers compared to 50s.
US could do iron curtain 2.0 and still live better than boomers.
If you can produce ton of food toon of steel and toon of basic shit you can live good.
Every retard knows scarcity is artifical.

>People who come here dont do shit, live off gibs and commit crime saved your economy goy
sure they did. 75% of syrians in germany are still on unemployment benefits after ten years. They are intentionally failing language exams so they cant be pressured into finding employment. Ten years.

>>513847288
The disconnect between productivity and income as well as the financialization of literally everything is what broke the economy. All of that shit could have been tossed into the ocean instead of going overseas. No one "had" to buy it. You're in the minefield laid by jews.

Mass immigration is good for rich people, and rich people only. A citizen formed national guard should have arrested everyone at that conference in Jackson Hole for treason.

>>513844983

Kek.
>Literally wrong on ever level about everything.
>100% sure about own believes
>Doesn't even have the cognitive capacity to understand why he is wrong
Of course you are half Indian. That's the point, the current system cannot run anymore with sentient human beings, it needs even more retarded cattle.
That's the horror of it all.
Think about how stupid an average white is.
Imagine the current shit is so fucked up even those stupid masses cannot be made to participate anymore.
Imagine what will the next standard be, if the average retarded white will be replaced with the average far more retarded brown.

Literal fucking hell on earth.

>>513844804
You are a disingenuous nigger, everyone on the internet and on the streets are lamenting over the same shit for the last 3 to 4 years, employers put up positions but never hire. The sugar rush of mismanaged free cash from money printing is over, tech has been downsizing for at least a year and corporations pocketed higher profits and took out more debt that they now can't service because main street is broke and unable to pay their bills. The ain't hiring no more, if they ever were. (Some were.)

Boomers and Gen X are the only consumer demographics that aren't likely to be broke, but the big pharma cartel is getting ready to wring them dry too, amusingly enough, to pay for their pensions. Housing needs to tank or stagnate for what's left of non suicidal millennials and zoomers. Not gonna happen.

Listen bub, but the economic model was never built to actually sustain itself forever and too much rot and corruption has seeped in. Sure, you can turn the entirety of the US and EU to slave farms with endless immigration to "pay" for everything, but you're just still in samsara, you dumb nigger. What do you mean it makes no economic sense to keep out subhumans? Who gives a shit? Why the fuck I gotta gamble on stocks and crypto to keep the value of my dollar? Why do I have to always pay attention to bullshit narratives that'll influence Wall St.? Big finance doesn't even work for the common man, to what loyalty do I owe you to give you 30% of my check? Threat of violence? That's tyranny.

>>513847371
Canada does have real industry in Alberta, but the other provinces hate that and cuck them with onerous environmental regulations. Green parties and "net zero" fags unironically need to be gassed.

>>513846378
>muh 1880s
>going from 99.9% white to 99.8

>>513840686 (OP)
gdp economic where snake eats its own tail is proof people involved are retarded

>>513842297
stick to your own politics, the day of the rake will come to you eventually

>>513842297
farmboy checking in. yes, we did all the farm work personally growing up. but i'm a carpenter now. high schoolers would do the goddamn farmwork but you brought in mexican'ts for a dollar cheaper.

>>513841293
You need to burn the system down leaf, a crash like in 2008 won’t do shit(they will bail them out) while the rest of us will become poorer and some countries will go to shit like Greece
>muh voting
Only npcs and retards think you can change things by voting harder

>>513844523
nigger, sure they pay income tax. But not nearly a fraction of your family's wealth is declared income. Did your family not teach you this? Are you the little retard in the family per chance?

Besides, even if the rich pay taxes, it doesn't change anything because those same taxes they pay end up back into their own pockets. Don't you get it? Almost every single government policy is designed to increase economic growth. In order to do that, they essentially help big companies. Who owns the big companies? The rich.

It's literally that simple.

Rich people truly don't realise how greedy they are. I see it in my rich boomer parents as well. They have very little capacity for self reflection. They assume they got so rich because they worked hard but that's a story they tell themselves to sleep better at night. The truth is that they got accustomed to the highest living standard that has ever existed on earth and it became normal to them. In fact, so normal that they're willing to eat their young to maintain it. Boomers do not see this. They keep charging insane price for the meaningless work they do. They keep hiring immigrants because they can't find anyone who is willing to work like a slave for a slave's wage. They literally don't give a fuck about the situation in the big cities because they don't live there.

To all rich people: in order for you to be rich, hundreds and hundreds of other people have to stay poor.

Do you not understand this simple logic? If you go out with your friends and order a pie and you eat up half the pie and all of your friends are left with the rest, what do you think your friends will do?

Now replace the pie with a house. What do you think your friends will do?

>>513844804
>Unless you have some magic solution to increase birth rates, this problem will continue to get worse. I notice you offer exactly zero solutions in your post.
the solution isn't increasing birth rates or migration.
The solution is that boomers should stop being so god damn greedy. You cry about not enough birth but you fucks are the fucking REASON there's less people. Now reap what you've sowed instead of ruining the fucking nations you greedy, diabetic fat fuck.

Most of you cunts own multiple houses and get inflated pensions. Tell me how the fuck do you justify hoarding such wealth? You're literally eating your young.

>>513844804
>Unless you have some magic solution to increase birth rates, this problem will continue to get worse.
Low birth rates are due to jewish economic practices, not the other way around.
Remove kikery, babies get born.

>>513847465
>employers put up positions but never hire.
the funny thing in Belgium is that the government tries to lower unemployment but then I did some research. In Q1 of 2025 there were 320 000 people looking for a job. But there were only 170 000 job listings.

The amount of job listings has decreased compared to previous years.

>>513844804
>btw, and if you're in construction, you'd be a complete fucking moron to think shrinking populations are good for business.
only applies to the big companies, the type of company that builds commie blocks and has a gang of immigrants working like slaves. No self-respecting native person is working in those gangs.

We build and maintain houses for regular people. We don't build chicken coops.

And why do we need chicken coops? That's right: to house the migrants that you insist on getting here. Because people like you own multiple properties, driving the property value up and pricing younger people out of the market.

You're a boomer and you'll never have the ability to look at yourself in the mirror honestly. You are the greediest type of human that has ever roamed this planet.

You're destroying everything with your meaningless, pointless greed. I hope it was worth it.

>>513840686 (OP)
They are liars
https://m.independent.ie/business/irish/not-enough-migrants-arriving-to-keep-pay-down-central-bank/38356212.html

>>513840686 (OP)
Always are
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/21/wef-rigged-data-to-make-brexit-look-like-failure/

>>513844983
>and when things actually do improve I will laugh at you for being wrong on every issue
wow. You are pretty naive. We've been living in the west a little longer than you and let me tell you, since you've arrived, things have only gotten worse. If you believe open borders will magically make everything better you're absolutely retarded.

Multiculturalism is cool in theory, but in practice it is extremely confusing to the human identity. Even in so called multicultural cities, you have cultural districts forming organically because birds of feather flock together. It's just a natural thing. You automatically gravitate towards people that are like you.

The problem with you immigrants is that you refuse to become like us.

And before you call me racist; my gf has pakistani roots but she chose to renounce her culture and religion because now she's living in the west and to her it made more sense to integrate into white society out of respect for our culture. And guess what? Literally every white person treats her like an honorary white. She's kind, has western values and contributes to society.

Until you retards understand this, you're never gonna make it. If you like your own culture so much, move back to the shithole you came from. But you won't. Because you *know* it's a shithole and you don't want to put in the work to make it better. So instead you come to the west to leech off of us.

>>513847465
>the economic model was never built to actually sustain itself forever
Someone asked Keynes about this exact problem. His answer was basically "We'll both be long dead by then, so who cares?"

>>513840686 (OP)
>Government spending counts towards GDP
>Government imports infinity niggers
>Spends money giving gibs to niggers
>Niggers spend gibs money so gov gets to double dip on GDP increase
>See! Line went up! Economy is doing great! Things are fantastic!

>>513840686 (OP)
Capitalism is anti-White

put them all back home
kill jew
boot orc inc irish italina rican
free girls n castles for white male engineer or farmer
end meme jobs
flibe.com and greenarrays.com replace oil and big tek media movies net
force abort all baby not white and signed for
women 0 money
king replaces capitalism with thoughtful production

>>513840686 (OP)
They say this shit out loud in public and you guys still think it is some Jewish white genocide conspiracy. Like they are telling you right here exactly why they do it and you won't listen.

>>513840686 (OP)
Is "GDP" supposed to be better than a safe, homogenous, high-trust society? How?

>>513854708
Because these people are fully insulated from the negative consequences of their actions, they live in gated communities and in mansion complexes with 12 foot walls.

>>513842348
the rare "kike and also nigger" detected

>>513844804
>and if you're in commercial fishing, you'd be a fool to think a shrinking fishing vessel fleet is good for business

yes yes, tell us more dr. shekelburgstein

since your demonic kike brain can't fathom anything outside of greed and destruction, I'll spell it out for you: WHAT'S GOOD FOR BUSINESS IS NOT ALWAYS ALIGNED WITH WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE INDIVIDUAL/FAMILY/COMMUNITY/NATION/PLANET

can't wait for the chaos you've sown to violently consume you and yours

>>513842297
What is mechanisation. We have things like tractors now we dont millions of subhumans in agriculture. The only hurdle is stuff like picking berries that needs dexterity but technology will overcome this as well.

>>513841293
>In the future, it should be a death penalty to say "GEE DEE PEE" unironically in an argument. It has been universally established that the green number going up makes everyone's life miserable

So true.

>>513842297
Have you ever wondered what you look like without skin?

>>513840686 (OP)
They know its wrong & lies
We know its wrong & lies
They know that we know that it's wrong & lies

And yet it continues

>>513840686 (OP)
Why is it so important for the GDP growth? Having an infinite growth is impossible and not sustainable, and lets not start talking about how it affects the environment... which these people claim to love so much.

>>513840686 (OP)
>Just destroy social cohesion and public safety so corporations and the government can asset strip the nation to keep profits steady.
These cunts are destroying Western civilisation for the GDP and it will eventually collapse the whole system leading to ethnic civil wars breaking out. In the meantime they're converting their profits into gold.

>>513842604
You shits really are extremely dumb.

>>513841108
Not only that, but enslaving the working and middle classes to fund those slaves and give them taxpayer-funded housing.
The whole thing should see the entire political and financial class publicly decapitated but people are too stupid to understand what they've been doing.

>>513840686 (OP)
Unless it adds to GDP per capita it's not boosting shit

>>513842371
Retard.
>Everyone pays taxes and those taxes are used to subsidise the migrants.
>The migrants then use services that are supplied by the 0.1%.
It's a pyramid scheme.

>>513842297
>58 replies
A street shitting pajeet everyone

>>513846842
Well, I do order a lot. And there's a lot of delivery vehicles driving around.

>>513840686 (OP)
>since the plandemic germany is in the shitter
>france in the shitter
>england fucking brink of civil war
>dutch are in the shitter
>spain always been in the shitter
>portugal always been in the shitter
>italy is in the shitter
>only who are blooming is the polaks
>yeah we closed the best year *hand rubbing intensifies*

>>513857091
>Why is it so important for the GDP growth?

A) Inflation. 2%-4% of all monetary value is destroyed every year by currency printing.
'Growth' is needed to offset this loss.
B) Debt. Outstanding debt must be serviced. Debt instruments are traded on the open market at the perceived future value continuing interest payments. GDP must rise to overcome inflation then rise again to meet present interest payments.
C) Future Borrowing. GDP must rise yet again to create some sort of net profit to provide a basis for future borrowing. Taking on debt in a economy beset with inflation is a infinite-money glitch, as borrowing today allows payment in the future with money that is worth much less.

ProTip; Immigrants, legal and otherwise enter our system debt-free, making them bio-mass for the debt machine.

By kicking them out the whole Empire of Debt is under direct attack, and our friends and betters like this not-at-all.

>>513857091
Civilization is a pyramid scheme

>>513844804
I want to see the point when it's crashes and all of the immigrants escape with the money leaving the total wasteland lmao

>>513840686 (OP)
I think they're just addicted to tea.

>>513860332
>all of the immigrants escape with the money leaving the total wasteland

In the biz we call that California.

>>513860396
not Detroit?

>>513842297
>multi-billion dollar agribusiness profits must be protected! They NEED slaves, and you should pay to house them!
How about you go fuck yourself instead?

>>513840686 (OP)
Wow, you mean we can get an extra 6% GDP and all we have to do is demographically destroy our country?

>>513860450
>not Detroit?

Detroit is what you get when your monetary base gets raped to pay for a large and basically worthless population but instead of that population fucking off to greener fields they stay right where they are and have kids.

>>513843882
All of that socialism is for investors and corpos. Even when they use it for browns, it's a subsidy for their imported slaves. All those richfags get subsidies, tax breaks, government bailouts, government financing, and grants. The government pays to import and house cheap laborers to replace you. Those people then have the balls to tell you affordable housing and social safety nets are "communism".

>>513844804
>The housing market is absolutely fucked without more people
Banks are sitting on more unoccupied homes than there are homeless people. This has been a known fact for decades. The housing "shortage" is fake and gay you retard.

fuck peace and stability billionaires need more shekels

>>513860872
>The housing "shortage" is fake and gay you retard.

Truth.
Blackrock has an entire department that uses advanced data analysis to determine which housing market they should buy into and then they sit on the inventory until the resale profit reaches a certain threshold.

Blackrock is the largest owner of single-family homes in the country.

There is a fun little war going on in the back-rooms right now over interest rates because of this.

>>513842604
>>513842794
>>513843189
We had family farms. That was before the government taxed family farms into near extinction to replace them woth massive shitskin-filled farms.

>>513860162
It's like buying a baby dragon from a Jewish merchant because he said it ate goblins, which had been a pesky problem for a poor farmer like you. But every year it gets bigger and hungrier, and now you feed it everything you have just to keep it from eating you.

Plus, as it turns out, our merchant friend has been selling baby dragons far and wide.

>>513842371
Lol, sure, they're definitely not dodging taxes. Oh wait, yes they are.

>>513861095
Blackrock doesn't buy homes using conventional residential consumer loans. Why would the interest rate matter to them?

>>513861417
>Why would the interest rate matter to them?

Resale. If rates crater then people who only look at the monthly payment will buy at Blackrock-required prices.

>>513861382
>our merchant friend has been selling baby dragons far and wide.

And when the last goblin is eaten the dragon will still be hungry the next day. Might have to think about importing goblins.

>>513840686 (OP)
'leaders' exchanging temporary wealth for perpetual societal decline.

truly insane.

>>513842675
boomers want tax payer subsidized scabs

>>513840686 (OP)
I mean they are not wrong, cotton plantation were successful because of slaves who would work and die for nothing but a roof.

>>513861650
>'leaders' exchanging temporary wealth for perpetual societal decline.

Got to think about the life they lead.
250-foot yacht with a crew of ex-IDF sailors who keep their fucking mouths shut and a 6-Pack of 19 year old supermodel whores to service your every need, forever.

Never underestimate the power of degeneracy to poison the soul.

>>513862018
>Never underestimate the power of degeneracy to poison the soul.
It probably doesn't help that anyone who sprouts a conscience is immediately killed off before they can squeal.

>>513863382
>is immediately killed off

It's a big club.
We can't join and they can't quit.
War to the knife, knife to the hilt.
I'm fine with this.