Thread 513847449

Would you still be maga if such a thing would somehow make it through congress but Trump vetos it?

>>513847449 (OP)
hyperinflation only works over eons

>>513847449 (OP)
No, that money belongs to Israel. You lost, tranny, Israel won!

>>513847449 (OP)
1000$ eggs

>>513847449 (OP)
Yes. UBI is retarded.

>>513847449 (OP)
so you're saying i would only to be able to afford a loaf of bread and a can of dog food a month?

If they start having to pay you to exist there will certainly be a need for far fewer of you.

>>513848060
AI is also retarded

>>513847449 (OP)
Jews will just make everything 10k more expensive. I don't think you understand how this kike system of economics works.
They will never allow you to grow wealth against their own.

For the last time, UBI doesn't call for printing money
There are many ways to pay for it, like a VAT, cutting the military budget, and of course money generated from new tax receipts
Whoever immediately pukes about imaginary "inflation" on the topic of UBI has no idea what they're talking about

>>513847449 (OP)
10K a month???I barely get 1.5K monthly on the dole. That just sounds like you're gonna absolutely raped by inflation or something, like $70 burgers or some shit.

>>513848299
No printing huh? The feds are just handing out 3 trillion dollars a month from cutting defense?

>>513848492
>$70 burgers
no ones going to be making no burgers.
why when you get free money.

>>513847449 (OP)
> some 20yo unwashed kids opinion on the future

>>513848604
I know you jest but some people actually do think like that and it's pretty scary. And to address >>513848299 they aren't gonna cut the military budget. They'll do what Yang proposed, cut ALL public spending and benefits. You'll get your UBI at the cost of essentially having to pay out of pocket for every single doctor visit and anything else you need.

>>513848725
They already have that. Usa is a dog its dog society without any sort of larger cohesion.
They pay for college, healthcare and even firemen. Stuff thats all inclusive in superior white western euro nations. I think they have to do it because niggers and brown shitskins tend to abuse the system and form low trust societies (all done by the jew btw).

>>513848806
>I think they have to do it because niggers and brown shitskins tend to abuse the system
Yes. Thats why europe's welfare state wont last much longer as well.

>>513848109
>>513848492
do you guys not know how inflation works? inflation is from introducing more money supply into circulation. in the case they are talking about, the money isn't just printed willy nilly, it comes from industries where productivity increases exponentially. increasing wealth due to increased prosperity is not a cause for inflation, its actual wealth building

inflation comes when wealth is created without subsequent productivity

>>513848207
Who cares. I just want to be able to pay my bills and get food/internet without having to work. I don’t care if everything gets way more expensive as long as I get paid enough gibs to not have to get a job. Inflations matters fuck all, all that really matters is labor hours required for subsistence, an apartment and basic internet access. If the answer to that question is “zero” then sign me up for whatever system offers that. It sure beats the hell out of what we have now, where the answer is “zero” if you’re a nigger or single mom but “40+” if you’re a white male

>>513848933
3 trillion a month is larger than the current total gdp of the US. Sorry but low effort ai slop isn't creating that much new wealth. Going by how many ai startups are going bankrupt I would say ai is mostly bullshit.

>>513849033
No system will give you that.

>>513847449 (OP)
The trouble is that the trades will be utterly disincentivized if there is a $100k+ a year ubi.

>>513849149
They give it to niggers. I’ll even accept a compromise, niggers and single moms work 20 hours and I work 20 hours

>>513849218
They won’t need trades, AI will just 3D print everything

>>513849402
3d print pouring concrete, building houses, welding, utility construction and maintenance, drilling for oil, etc etc.

>>513849061
i was going to call you a retard but chatgpt helped me agree with you. you could even say that wealth was created :)

>>513847449 (OP)
>there should be universal basic income
>in other words, socialism
>and ubi should be $10,000 per month for all

And a dozen eggs will immediately cost $20, a gallon of gasoline will cost $20, a Burger King whopper, fries, and drink will cost $65. The batshit crazy loons of the far left are truly some of the lowest IQ people on this earth.

>>513849551
who do you think is going to produce those things?
free money to not work.
or flip burgers.
people will still do interesting jobs, but not the mundane ones.

>>513849898
>not the mundane ones.
You mean every single blue-collar job that keeps society functioning?

>>513849512
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1QLuLTVApU4

>>513847449 (OP)
depends on the context and implementation.
despite what anons say, it is a real question of how individuals operate and survive if/once AI and robots take over nearly the entire job market.
UBI is an option, but has to be implemented through actual circulatory systems, otherwise if its just another thing the governments printing endlessly for it will just implode as prices skyrocket.

of course, and maybe im just too blackpilled, there really isnt any reason to discuss this. system almost never preemptively try to understand and implement fixes to their projects or 'solutions', they basically always toss them out and let the fire start and then try and put it out, instead of preventing the fire from starting in the first place. AI and robots will be the same way. alot are gonna lose their jobs, have no jobs to do, and suffer first, before the unrest it causes forces a solution... or a collapse.

>>513847449 (OP)
UBI has worked every time it's been tried. This is how all aristocracies have sustained themselves since antiquity.
> inb4 communism
No communist state has ever given out UBI, they've done the opposite (those who don't work will not eat, etc.)

>>513847449 (OP)
>open ai says positive thing about ai so they get more money

woah! holy shit DUDDDDEEEEEE

>>513850738
>This is how all aristocracies have sustained themselves since antiquity
Yes and they all needed a large invisible class of poorfags toiling to produce everything they wanted or needed. Chatbots outputting text slop and jpgs of people with fifty fingered hands aren't going to 3D print all consumer goods or move them anywhere.

>>513850738
i dont know dude they just recently abandoned a ubi attempt in denmark i think and had to abandon it because the people have just been lazily sitting on their ass providing nothing while taking everything.. so you are objectively wrong

>>513850738
Because even communists weren't this retarded and that says something given they murdered over a hundred million people

>everyone gets $10,000 a month starting in January
>a candy bar costs $70 starting in February

>>513847449 (OP)
>UBI is 10k/month
>rent increases by 10k/month
you actually think kikes and kike enablers will let you have money without work? lol

>>513849953
pretty much.
oh there'll be bots.
but that'll take awhile.
until then get used to some fucked up shit.
and no burgers.

>>513850872
Except that now we have credit-created money; aristocracies of the past were constrained by available metal supply. Cut the banks out and create as much debt-free money as is necessary to supply the real economy.

>>513850880
They just claim "it didn't work" with a bunch of BS statistics. Corporate subsidies are just UBI. Does anyone claim that these don't just make the corporations richer? Or that the corporations get lazy and don't do anything? Funny how that works. Having said that there is nothing wrong with more people sitting out of the labor force as there already aren't enough jobs to go around. Check out picrelated.

>>513850893
No it's because communism is about looting the populace not helping them become richer. All the party elites had UBI.

>>513847449 (OP)
If everyone is getting $10k a month, inflation will make $10k a month worth about as much as a McJob pays now (you won't be able to afford anything). Are OpenAI researchers total morons?

>>513851121
Are you too mentally debilitated to understand the concept of inflation? Do you think that if in the middle a ges everyone had a magic box that produces a gold bar per month gold would be worth anything? Look up the inflation wave caused by new world gold and silver you dumb nigger.

>>513847449 (OP)
>10k ubi
Sure. Probably right after the doge stimmy checks are payed out?

>>513847449 (OP)
Trickle Down Economics, but with (((tech bros))) at the top, giving out crumbs to those who obey.
>$10,000
In an inflationary environment, such metrics are of indeterminate value.

>>513851164
How come the massive continued corporate subsidies (just UBI for the rich) never seem to have this problem? This is just a fake narrative. It's like the "covid checks caused inflation" BS. Massively more money was given out in BS "emergency" spending, forgiven PPP loans, etc. But somehow only the covid checks are responsible. Right.

>>513847449 (OP)
>If the government gives everybody $10,000/mo this will enable me to live a comfortable life and be able to purchase the necessities in life

Holy fucking shit how retarded do you have to be to believe this?

>>513848299
How about through tariffs? Make that the source for UBI funding. However much is needed to fully fund UBI is what the tariffs will be set to raise.

>>513851188
>Look up the inflation wave caused by new world gold and silver you dumb nigger.
Actually that's a myth. The same author debunks it in picrelated.

>>513851274
Saudi Arabia already does this with oil money. Alaska actually does the same thing, just on a smaller scale. Somehow, neither causes inflation or magically makes people lazy or poor. All the "arguments" against UBI are either bad faith sophistry or the result of being bamboozled by it.

>>513851275
>um ackshually thats a le heckin myth
Go tell that to the nine spanish bankrupcies between 1550 and 1650. You colonials are fucking insufferable.

>>513848933
>inflation comes when wealth is created without subsequent productivity
Which is what UBI would be doing, because a large swath of the population will drop out of the workforce to live on the free money. Productivity drops, costs increase, then we get $50 burgers and $500 jeans.

Enter mass immigration to backfill those jobs, and they too will get UBI. There will be many millions dependent on the government for survival. That allows the ruling class to then enforce compliance with whatever they decree.

What a fucking scheme UBI is. It's crazy that so many zoomers believe in it just because of the other scheme that has rents stupidly high,

>>513851274
Imagine if we did this with all our natural resources, instead of letting (((corporations))) own them all https://pfd.alaska.gov/

>useless breathers get 10k a month for being useless
>10 a month is now minimum wage
>prices increase to reflect this

God this shit is dumb but the npc cattle drool over it on face valu

>>513851326
>Saudi Arabia already does this with oil money
Arab oil regimes do the same thing that aristocrats did, sustain (nearly) unconditionally a small minority that lords over an underclass of poorfags (in arab cases largely pajeet and SEA apes kept in slave conditions) and in the past decade Saudis had to start making cuts to the extensive network of gibs because it costs too much and people don't want to fucking work because they don't have to. You are lying in an age where knowledge is instantly accessible for free.

>>513851340
No you're just screeching instead of listening. Nobody is disputing the price of gold/silver collapsed in that time period. It just wasn't due to an influx of it from the new world. Maybe you should actually try reading the book I mentioned before trying to explain how a theory you've never heard of before is wrong.

>>513851412
Nice link. If anything it seems to be ramping up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_Account_Program_%28Saudi_Arabia%29

>>513849953
Based. I hope it gets implemented so this retarded society crashes already

>>513851343
You've been brainwashed on every point.

>because a large swath of the population will drop out of the workforce to live on the free money
This is fine; we have millions of people "working" fake jobs already. Most employment is adult daycare aka UBI with extra steps. Just cut out the nonsense (which adds its own costs).

>Enter mass immigration to backfill those jobs
This is another boogie man. They're going to try to go full bore mass migration no matter what. Mass migration has to be stopped either way. It's like the idiot conservatives who don't milk the gibs because "It will make the government want to increase taxes", as if by not taking advantage their tax burden will be lessened.

>What a fucking scheme UBI is. It's crazy that so many zoomers believe in it just because of the other scheme that has rents stupidly high,
None of that is an argument.

>>513847449 (OP)
>$10,000 monthly UBI payment 'feastible'.
>New price of a loaf of bread is $20,000.

>>513851691
>considers
Meaningless

>second link
You're missing the point. UBI did work while SA had oil to sell. Of course a country with no resources will have less wealth. This isn't a problem for the US, and won't be unless we nuke ourselves.

>public sector pay cuts
Took place before the increases I posted.

>>513851850
Why doesn't the billions in corporate UBI cause this?

why would they bother to implement UBI if they just can kill us all

>>513852089
Because at least in the US, they can't. The government couldn't even kill the Taliban. We're better armed, outnumber them more, and more than half the military would instantly defect. The best they can hope for is brainwashing and propaganda, which is why that's all we hear 24/7.

>>513851850
>random brit anon tries to predict global economic behaviors.
Chill charles. Worry about your island nation filling with pajeets and sand niggers raping your daughters. Your primary school education will not cut it on this topic.

>>513851878
You must be trolling or a stupid nigger or you believed the sewage that was pumped into your brain in college.
If everyone now gets 10k a month, who the fuck is going to show up for work?
Money has value through scarcity. If everyone has 10k/month....$10k effectively becomes $0.

>>513851393
>AI-controlled robot factories produce goods delivered by AI-powered robot trucks to stores managed by AI-powered robots
>AI infrastructure reduces costs and increases efficiency. Les cogs are required in the machine. You no longer have government gibs for do-nothing government jobs.
>AI develops and reduces medical costs and researches new medicine. It can handcraft specific proteins to target ailments. Nanobots can target cancer cells and stimulate growth, allowing for rejuvenation therapies.
>Space exploration and colonization are propelled by the new tech, and the advances from that exploration build and multiply on themselves.
It really is that shrimple luddie.

>>513847449 (OP)
So that's if AI increases productivity by several magnitudes with no change in employment but currently it under-performs failing at 95% of real world application tasks which is huge because a couple of years ago it failed at 100% of tasks. But we're also seeing increasingly diminishing returns, no big break just an endless money pit that might bump that number to only failing at 92% of tasks in a couple of years. None of it is profitable, the only hope is if we gain infinite renewable energy due to new breakthroughs in material science and someone has the sense to make full use of it.

>>513852749
Nice utopian ideal, but

ahem

Jews
LOL
LMAO even

>>513847449 (OP)
>Give us Billions and we promise 10k$ UBI.
Yeah, sounds legit as fuck.

>>513852938
Boomers are dying off. The last bastion of jewish protection will die with them. Gen Alpha is going to make the Waffen SS look like peace core.

>>513851343
>because a large swath of the population will drop out of the workforce to live on the free money. Productivity drops, costs increase,
No you stupid fuck, the whole point is AI facilitates this downsizing of the workforce.
Oh, suddenly you all recognize all jobs as legit real jobs and suddenly you don't think most careers and jobs are adult daycare.
It isn't post-Industrialization anymore, we dont NEED to work 40 hours a week to have citizens exist in a country.
If you want to work for kikes for free SO badly, go pick their grapes in Israel like the good Christian I know you are.

>>513853041
Again, nice utopian idea. TKD but you're dreaming.

>>513847449 (OP)
>US government is going to just start spending $3 trillion a year on gibs for all

lol
This shit is not happening in anyone currently posting here's lifetime.

>>513853560
the equation is retarded and assumes 3-6x the output (on top of being taxed ~30%) just from AI increased efficiency alone

>>513847449 (OP)
WHAT?
Last week Scam Altman publically admitted AI is fake and gay. I already sold all my AI shares.