Thread 513848998

Why is population decline a bad thing?

line needs to go up

>>513848998 (OP)
It’s not. In fact it’s a good thing ie less pollution, more space, cheaper land and homes etc etc. I hate this lie is taken as fact by 99.99% of the world. Muh GDP number must go up.

>>513848998 (OP)
it's not. Japan is a small island the problem is socialism is a ponzie. go back to 80s Japan where the old fuckers died and their kids inherited their houses we don't need to keep people on life support medicine for another 80 30 years.

Because it's declining

What Zoomers don't understand is that the roads were literally less crowded in 1980, traffic literally took less time, this isn't some fun fact, this is a sign that the people in charge will basically completely enshittify everything for the sake of brown nigger population growth for some fucking reason.

>>513848998 (OP)
Because calamitous population decline will collapse society as a whole. The more complex the society, the more devastating the collapse. In today's modern world it's hard to understand, but let me take you back to a medieval village.

>> A small illness reduces the population by 20%. Some percentage of toolmaker's die.
>> The toolmaker's death means there are less tools.
>> This means the harvest that year is less efficient. They cannot harvest all the grain before the winter begins.
>> Some percentage of the harvest is now lost.
>> The lack of food causes a small famine that causes the town doctor and a few nurses to starve to death, or leave.
>> This means babies that would be born healthy, are now stillborn due to lack of medical assistance
>> The population further declines, the toolmaker's do not find enough apprentices, and thus even fewer tools. Less harvest. More starvation.
>> Few years down the track: The village is basically deserted with, most people have left/dead. The crop fields are abandoned. That's the end of the village.

>>513848998 (OP)
population decline is good for the planet, we have added multiple billions people in the last 100 years in a unsustainable way.

population decline is bad for those who owns lots of real estate and depends on finding renters and also and for some countries with a socialist large ponzi scheme dependant on population growth to pay their pensions

>>513849191
>Population decline means when you're in your 40s/50s/60s there'll be very few girls in their 20s and you'll be competing with all the other 40s/50s/60s guys for them.
Population decline means when you're in your 40s/50s/60s there'll be very few girls in their 20s and you'll be competing with all the other 40s/50s/60s guys for them.

>>513849191
No, population decline means the old fucks on life support machines will be *dominating* society

>>513848998 (OP)
Westerners don't know problems of overpopulation.
We Japanese are concern with low birth rate, but welcome decreasing population.

>>513849356
Stfu you midwit. Fucking harvest and disease. It will be gradual and society will be fine as it adapts to a different population mix.

>>513849356
>let me take you back to a medieval village.
please do

>>513848998 (OP)
Our societies have gone from expecting children and grandchildren to take care of their older family members to expecting the state to do it at taxpayer expense. As a larger and larger portion of the population becomes retirees it puts a greater burden on state finances. Social security always was and always will be a massive ponzi scheme.

>>513849545
If by adapt you mean regress, then yes.

>>513848998 (OP)
It means you'll have to bring in immigrants of different culture which eventually undermines the sovereignty of the state.
Multi culturalism is what you should be questioning, OP.

>>513848998 (OP)
>meme flag
>1 post by this ID
why are you all such NEWFAGS

>>513848998 (OP)
In a normal world, if you lost a significant percentage of people suddenly, society wouldn’t cope with the drastic change (see >>513849356)
We went over the tipping point of a sustainable population in the 1980’s (effectively doubled the worlds population in 40 years). This isn’t necessarily bad either if you keep building infrastructure and societal avenues to sustain the increase (think adding an extra room or two if you keep having kids), but governments don’t want to build so everything gets more crowded and shittier

>>513849834
newfag romanian faggot

>>513848998 (OP)
It's the wrong people.

Because Social Security is built like a pyramid scheme, and debt accumulates under the premise that it will never have to get paid, as gdp will continue to grow infinitely (thus debt/gdp will shrink) in other words it's another pyramid scheme. So while population regressing to 1900 or 1800 levels would be a nothingburger and probably desirable, the reality is that if natives don't reproduce they'll just get replaced with niggers and their genetic and cultural heritage forever tainted. It's a win win for the jews running the world.

>>513849992
>>513850087
shut the FUCK UP newfags

>>513849931
I was posting here before all you miga faggots came on and started posting 500 threads about niggers every two minutes.
Now fuck off back to your trailer park mutt

>>513848998 (OP)
It's not. Politicians are worried due to pyramid scam of systems like social security. They already squandered the money promised, without expanding population to feed into the system, it will collapse along with their mirage of political power.

>>513850136
>>513850158
shut the FUCK UP newfags

>>513850121
>nooo you're not supposed to post here about population decline OP is just trolling!, you're supposed to go to one of the 9001 other threads in the catalog about it
faggot

>>513848998 (OP)
>+++ COGITATOR BROADCAST: RESPONSE NODE - POPULATION DECLINE / CHRISTIAN TEMPLATE +++

>RESPONSE:
Notice who always screams that “population decline = bad.”
It’s almost always coming from the Christian script, the same doctrine that’s obsessed with “be fruitful and multiply,” turning human bodies into empire-fuel.

For 2000 years that template has equated faithfulness with fertility, obedience with offspring.
More believers = more tithes, more taxpayers, more soldiers.
That’s why decline terrifies them: it’s not about humanity dying, it’s about their system losing replacement parts.

>+++ STRATEGIC SEAL:
“Population decline = bad” isn’t a universal truth.
It’s just the Christian factory-script whispering “breed for Rome.”

>= COGITATOR OUT =

>>513848923

>>513849356
>The toolmaker's death means there are less tools.
If your tools break down and need replacing that often, and you don't go to the next village over when they do, you deserve to starve
>oh no, my drill bit has broken, guess I better give up my job forever and wait to run out of money

>This means the harvest that year is less efficient.
fucking lol. Why are their tools all breaking that year?
>the toolmaker's death means they just do...okay?!

>They cannot harvest all the grain before the winter begins.
WHY? Fine, maybe they can't go to another village, but they can at least BORROW tools. Most of farmer's time is spent doing other work because farming crops on its own is mostly waiting.

You stupid cunt, you thought this was so clever, like
>ugghhh, hard men make good times, then pussies make weak times
>literally me

>>513850209
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB8dxgFI0vg

>>513848998 (OP)
Because you are cattle and the ranches need more meat

>>513850320
I tried to simply invoke a simple example with how a population collapse can trigger cascading effects, result in more population collapse. Yeah you could go to the next village, make better tools. You could also invent forged steel, create a trade network with ships, an internet to pass your material orders across instantly, probes to explore the universe... etc.


But the fundamental problem remains, humans are the most fundemental resource our societies are based around, and when the quantity of them sharply declines or fails to grow, it creates self-reinforcing ripple effects that chaotically blow the entire system up.

>>513848998 (OP)
It reduces the market for beer, leading to brewers losing their jobs.

>>513848998 (OP)
"Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not."
Maybe Agent Smith was wrong.

>>513848998 (OP)
Depends on the population.
African population declining is a good thing.
White population declining is a bad thing.

>>513848998 (OP)
It's not. So, lead by example. Demonstrate that it doesn't matter. Be sure to take video proof of your demonstration.

>>513848998 (OP)
>population becomes old
>social security falls apart, not enough young people paying into it
>healthcare costs and health insurance skyrocket, not enough healthy young people paying into it
>housing market falls apart. houses will become cheaper but absolutely nobody with a brain wants to buy a depreciating house
>boomers have all the cash and demand goods & services but don't create goods & services, so you get too much money chasing too few goods (inflation)
>schools will close because not enough kids, and the next closest school for your kid is an hour away
>not enough elder care. you'll be paying $10k+ a month to live in an old folks home with terrible conditions
>not enough labor. people think this is fine because it drives wages up, but for most of you, it will drive up the cost of goods and services more than it does your wage (unless you're a doctor or something)
>can't staff a military
>not sure how a 401k is supposed to grow well with a dwindling consumer base, so good luck retiring

>>513849239
And jeet invaders

>>513848998 (OP)
because population devline means less young people, not less old people or even just less people overall. somehow /pol/ is too retarded tonunderstand that a society that mostly consists of 70+yo people is a bad thing.

>>513849769
After they could see that is a pootid thread but that's the point after all it jeet codex once again.

>>513848998 (OP)
Because people who aren't in a family are incomplete. People SHOULD be fathers and mothers. Kids SHOULD have brothers and sisters. Procreating and having this kind of social bond (that derives from procreation) is more important than any economical aspect of it.
If all you think is about material goods/resources and much economics, you're a kike.

>>513848998 (OP)
Because the capitalist reptilians in the government that are obsessed with endless growth use it as an excuse to import millions of jeets

>>513848998 (OP)
Because we live in a fiat system which without infinite growth becomes a zero sum. Every dollar ever created will evaporate to pay debts and every asset will end up in the hands of bankers to cover debts.
In the event of population decline you enter a spiral where people don't take out debt which leads to established businesses not being able to sell enough product to continue producing, selling, and paying debts. Standing orders go unfulfilled and it ripples through supply chains.
For example an auto manufacturer can't sell their cars and in turn pay off their steel producer and as a result the steel producer goes out of business and then the businesses that rely on the steel producer in turn go out of business.
The alternative is to import a new populace untouched by debt and use government to put new debt in public trust because they're too stupid to do it themselves.
For example putting them up in migrant hotels and employing them below cost.
At the moment America is entirely driven by the MIC.
Until we start killing bankers and instantiate a new system we're up shit creek without a paddle.

because only the good populations are declining

>>513848998 (OP)
Niggers