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Anonymous (ID: CkbXQe03) United States No.513905282 >>513905476 >>513905857 >>513907047 >>513908599 >>513908835 >>513910593
What the world would be like if there were no bailouts during the 2008 collapse
We'd just be in a much better world today, out of all the possible worlds that could have emerged had things been done differently in 2008 and the following few years.
The bailouts following the September 2008 bank crash were a giant mistake, at least from the perspective of common people and of the long-term health of the United States (certain elites benefited from the bailouts, and so for them, the bailouts weren't a mistake at all). Yes, a Depression may well have ensued, and the Great Depression ran from 1929 until after America joined the fight in World War II.
So even if the 2008 crash had led to a Depression from which it took fifteen years to recover fully, we'd be just getting back on our feet right now. All the grifting banks would have imploded long ago, along with shitty corporations that were fiscally reckless.
The whole economic landscape would look different from what we see today, since so many famous brands and companies would no longer exist. But in their place, we'd have new businesses, ones that are run more prudently.
Of course, the new system that would have arisen after the reset would also eventually become corrupt, and would have had some level of corruption from the start, as all systems do, but we'd be in the early stages of a large economic upswing like America saw after the early 1940s.

Basically, everyone except for certain parasitic elites would be in a much better position now than they are today, with far more security, prosperity, and trust in the system.
Millennials would have become the "strong men" whose suffering gave them the wisdom to forge the good times. Zoomers would be growing up in a healthy economy full of opportunity, with childhood memories of the fear and anxiety that came before. Gen X would have been the crisis leaders responding to the push by Millennials for major transformations in the structure of the economy.
Anonymous (ID: 7idYPgzU) Australia No.513905385
what..?
just get on with it mate.
cant be dealing with all that.
too much faffing around.
Anonymous (ID: HE0F2zmF) United States No.513905476
>>513905282 (OP)
yes
we are presently trying unwind some really nasty shit
and there's gonna be bloodletting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FYtNQ8izM0
you can't defeat demons by negotiation or treaty
Anonymous (ID: CkbXQe03) United States No.513905857 >>513906265
>>513905282 (OP)
Strauss and Howe, the authors of "The Fourth Turning" who coined the name "Millennials, found that, across history, "Nomad Generations" like Gen X grew up in the shadow of their Prophet forebears (recently the Boomers) but then aged into the wise elders who led the Fourth Turning in the right direction when the new Civic Generation (Millennials or GI/WW2 Generation) demanded fundamental change.
And the Boomers would be nowhere near as wealthy, collectively, as they are in our timeline now, though they'd be taken care of.
The Alphas being born today would be far greater in number and the population would be much whiter, as Millennials and then Zoomers would be having many children due to the optimistic attitude across the country and the world.
Strauss and Howe argued that, during the American Civil War, the older Prophet generation, equivalent to today's Boomers, allowed their worst instincts to get the best of them and so they jumped the gun and the Fourth Turning began a decade too early, when their children, the would-have-been new Civic generation, were mostly just kids and the oldest were about 18, compared to the GI generation whose oldest members at the beginning of World War 2 were pushing 40. As a result of the Prophet generation of the Civil War Era giving in to their nastiest tendencies, the Fourth Turning did not produce a strong system of government that led to widespread prosperity, and instead the youth of the Civil War grew up broken, disillusioned, many of them addicted to opiates like Laudanum, and unable to produce anything better than the "Gilded Age" where the robber barons ruled the land and most people just toiled their lives away.
The same thing has happened again in our timeline. The Prophets (Boomers) ate their children like Saturn did in the myth, and now we are doomed to some 80 to 90 years of rapacious exploitation by our elites before another window of opportunity opens up for us to build a better system during the
Anonymous (ID: CkbXQe03) United States No.513906265 >>513906312 >>513908527
>>513905857
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next Fourth Turning that will occur some time around the 2080s.
Some followers of the Fourth Turning theory argue that the Fourth Turning really began with September 11, 2001, when the oldest Millennials were only 19 (Strauss and Howe begin the Millennial generation in 1982, when there was a sudden and drastic shift in society's attitude toward babies, who in the 60s and 70s were considered terrible -- overpopulation fears, Damien etc. -- and now middle age Boomer parents were finally ready to embrace their parental role and proudly put "Baby on Board" bumper stickers on their vehicles).
According to Strauss and Howe, the Fourth Turning should have begun around 2008, but many analysts say the crisis era really set in with the 9/11 attacks, and Boomers gave in to their worst tendencies, crushed the Millennials before they were old enough to be the foot soldiers of society's new turn. So there was no civic recovery from the Fourth Turning this time around, and we are in for a new robber baron age.
The Millennial generation was supposed to run from 1982 to 2004 but was cut short due to the premature beginning of the crisis phase of this historical cycle. The Zoomers, then, are the new Prophet generation, i.e. the new Boomers in terms of their interests but without the money or numbers. And the Millennials are an "Artist" generation instead of a Civic generation, i.e. the new Silent Generation.
Anonymous (ID: CkbXQe03) United States No.513906312 >>513908527
>>513906265
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory#Timing_of_generations_and_turnings
Anonymous (ID: jd1sRFFt) United States No.513906779
The eternal boomer
Anonymous (ID: n5spG5yo) United States No.513907047
>>513905282 (OP)
Blah blah blah.

Last relevant prediction (the generational climax) in that ancient book, is suppose to happen this term (2025-2027). It should be compared to american revolution, civil war, ww1, ww2, etc.

He made A prediction correct with it, well see if he is two for two.
Anonymous (ID: Gv6W4tz2) United States No.513908527
>>513906265
>>513906312
>HEY SOILLENIAL, YOU'RE DOOMED TO BE GAY
Great, just the thing I needed after a few wars, recessions and a pandemic that turned everyone into NEETs.
Anonymous (ID: LEHaCOUc) United States No.513908599
>>513905282 (OP)
It objectively wasn't a mistake. They were helping their friends they knew it would ruin the country in the process but they didn't care
Anonymous (ID: ubsp85WE) Canada No.513908835 >>513909745 >>513910032
>>513905282 (OP)
Yeah you can talk about this shit all day
>oooh the world would be soooo much better had third world shitskins not been mass imported
>the world would be soooo much better had we not went off the gold standard and inflated the dollar to nothing
>the world would be soooo much better had we not gave women the right to vote and pushed the LGBT movement and all that shit

Who fucking cares? We know Jews caused the financial crisis, and we know they bailed themselves out. That’s what occupy Wall Street was about. Wake up dumbass, Jews are destroying your country.
Anonymous (ID: /6OMlPuD) Canada No.513908945 >>513912135
Probably way less immigrants, cheaper real estate and millenials would've had an opportunity to buy homes like their parents did to raise a family in their early 20s. But we can't have nice things, so this timeline exists.
Anonymous (ID: CkbXQe03) United States No.513909745 >>513910032
>>513908835
>Who fucking cares? We know Jews caused the financial crisis, and we know they bailed themselves out. That’s what occupy Wall Street was about. Wake up dumbass, Jews are destroying your country.
Do you think I don't know this?
Anonymous (ID: Gv6W4tz2) United States No.513910032
>>513908835
>>513909745
As always the operative question is, what to do about it?

If I'm understanding OP correctly I think the answer at the macro level is "nothing." You can't do anything about it, turnings happen or don't happen at certain opportunities and if you miss one you can't force another one anytime soon. You just have to wait.

On a personal level, the answer may be to detach yourself from the system because you can expect that it will suck for the rest of your natural life and there's nothing you can do about it.
Anonymous (ID: y8ETHJWv) United States No.513910593
>>513905282 (OP)
I'm not sure the fourth turning timeline holds up anymore. The rate of change socially, technologically, psychologically has accelerated so much in the last 30-40 years and continues to accelerate. Human fundamentals are the same but we are very very different creatures from our grandparents. The future has never been so unpredictable. Even the people who run the show don't fully know what to expect in 5 years much less 10 years. And now that the official philosophy of the western world is masochistic nihilism I don't think we can count on there being another turning, just a slow swirl down the drain.
Anonymous (ID: ThzHIS1/) United States No.513912135
>>513908945
We must alter it.