Thread 513915561

For any lurking longtime (pre-2017) /pol/tards: have your politics shifted leftward at all in the time since the first election?

If so, why?

>>513915561 (OP)
Anyone lurking that long isn't going to fucking speak here

>>513915656
Then I must be a ghost, anon.

>>513915561 (OP)
I used to lurk /b/ off and on starting back in 08. I started posting on /pol/ around 2015. If anything I have grown progressively more right wing and racist. But, I believe that has more to do with me aging 15+ years and society going insane as of late, and not as much to do with the bootleg Japanese cartoon porn forum I frequent.

Anyone who goes down the rabbit hole of trying to figure out why things are not actually as they seem, why western governments all seem to be weirdly taking orders from some hidden force not explainable by ordinary means, and generally "who is behind the curtain" inevitably has to land on one of two options: either it's capitalism, or it's the Jews. I have gradually become convinced that the former is the more correct answer than the latter, and to the extent that the latter are a problem it's mostly because of how they're enabled by the former

>>513915561 (OP)
I've turned more conservative actually.
It's because leftist are batshit. Not in a funny way.

>>513915561 (OP)
I turned left wing after Trump won in 2016
Main reason being billionaires are the number one threat to humanity but only the left acknowledges this

I agree with /antiwork. Being a wagie in jewmerica is nothing short of pure insanity.

>>513916140
Damn son.

>>513915561 (OP)
Kys

>>513915561 (OP)
I shifted quite significantly leftword since i am now anti-semitic

>>513915561 (OP)
>>has the historic conniption fit over Trump pushed you to the left?
Obviously not. It's infinitely radicalized me further right as I watch a mildly right candidate be treated as the end of the world by millions of people to no avail and with no end in sight. The world has to burn and the left has dedicated itself to preserving the trashiest elements of modern society.

>>513915561 (OP)
Nope, seems everything Jefferson said still checks out. Odd how I can't find anybody else as based

>>513915561 (OP)
When I'm not feeling total apathy, these days I hope a lot for total chaos, violence, collapse, nuclear annihilation, plague and/or extinction. Not sure if that's a left or right stance

>>513915561 (OP)
I’ve been here since 2015 and all that’s changed is I hate niggers, jews, and fags even more.

I briefly flirted with fascism around 2016-2018 but now I would guess I would align most with what people call paleoconservatism, which is just actual conservatism in my mind. So in that sense sure but otherwise no.

>>513916796
That's a radical stance, I bet you're a racist

>>513916850
>oldfag
>2016
Don’t ever call yourself an oldfag again. You need to AT LEAST be pre-2010

>>513915561 (OP)
I just hate fags.

>>513916871
>with what people call paleoconservatism
So fascism. Lol

>>513915561 (OP)
first came to this site in 2008 for /sp/ with a dash of /a/ and /b/, came to /pol/ during the halcyon ZimZam days
still believe in old school labor ideology, but way more conservative now largely in part to the corrosive racial animus of the 2010's
basically nice things are possible, but we cannot have nice things because of minorities and foreigners, and of course the jews that enable them.

I've shifted in terms of not liking indian culture at all and their population, most of it anyway.

Used to be more accepting, however, they revealed the horrors, I know better now, I have been exposed ir to the uncomfortable incompatible culture and frankly an invasion.

Otherwise I am still pretty central compared to most pol, I support reasonable abortion, I like Israel, I don't like religion much but support moderate Judeo-Christian society...

I hate globalism because it's fascilitating the destruction of civilization and an invasion at this time, I hate commies and pedo traitors.

I hate censoring of sane logic... so, neither right or left just a mix of what I think makes sense.

Times have changed, information, so have I, however, whatnot changed id how I think and adjust my mindset when required.

>>513916877
If racism is so radical, why are white people the only normal ones?

>>513915561 (OP)
Used to be liberal (centrist) then libertarian (just leave me alone) now full on national socialist (but for real this time)

Ive been pushing around the term Federated National Socialism. As a new NS, less nazi affiliated and applicable to the American constitution. Essentially socialism, but real socialism. Focus on the people, the workers, the citizens. Strongly anti-liberal! No open borders. No DEI. No feminism. No LGBTQ+. No BLM.

The centralized planning or state ownerships will be state and federally balanced in order to work within the American constitutional framework.

>>513915561 (OP)
I've always been extreme left, the shift I made around 2016 was when I realized that kikes are the reason we can't have nice things, they import millions of brown people into white societies specifically to disrupt any social cohesion, they want black lives matter, and not occupy wall street.

>>513915561 (OP)

I was a 2016 poltard. I regret everything about the fat orange pedo. Voted for Biden in 2020 and I think Kamala would have been a much better president.

>>513916140
you got it backwards. an all white ethnostate without women being able to vote would thrive under any system: capitalism, communism, lawless anarchy, etc. it literally does not matter. the problem is kikes and subhumans.

>>513915561 (OP)
No.
Every year I get more """racist""" and antisemitic.
I fucking hate everybody, but I especially hate Jews, Niggers, muslims and indians.

>>513916877
Yeah I'm really hating pajeets a lot lately. Truly abhorrent race. It's funny because I was raised as the perfect little tolerant liberal multicultural equalist feminized mommy's good boy Disney brainwashed to believe the world was unicorns and rainbows. Now all I see is a jungle of opportunistic predators eating anyone dumb enough to think it's anything else than that

>>513915561 (OP)
I've shifted from anarcho-cap to anarcho-anarchist; basically I've slid off the bottom of the political compass

>>513915561 (OP)
Unless you count the part where I went from pro-life to pro "what color is it?", no.

>>513915561 (OP)
mine have
I've lost hope for America
the GOP isn't going to stop immigration and if that doesn't happen, the country is lost
I'm going to vote democrat and try to milk the system for all I can before it collapses.
Fuck America, it's a lost cause

>>513916140
Well, first of all, anon, you've got the two evils named correctly.
Secondly, you're still fucking retarded.
It's the jews.
Corporations are an evil this just be defeated, but they are secondary.

>>513915561 (OP)
I've been here since day fucking 1 and my politics have shifted to realizing that left and right are fucking fake and there is only the race war

>>513917044
Not at all. From a paleocon perspective actual fascist is a lefty modernist movement and Nazism and white nationalism are retarded. It’s less the politics of blood and soil and more the politics of crown and altar or republic and agricultural aristocracy.

>>513917349
That's sad

>>513915561 (OP)
I'm still right, but I hate jews a little less ironically now.

>>513915561 (OP)
Was nazi when I came here in 2011
Am even more nazi now

>>513915561 (OP)
nope. they have not shifted left or right but just pulled the curtain on the wizard with the schnoz.

>>513916169
I'm the same. I don't give a shit politically but I've shifted further right because I don't like the people representing the left. They behave more disordered and nastier than any group of people I've ever seen. I don't respect them as people and if I have a political affiliation it's going to be the one that's their opposition.

>>513915561 (OP)
I’m much further right than probably anyone on this board

>>513917349
That isn't racism, you unlocked your survival instinct. Never relax, live safer.

>>513915561 (OP)
Was a communist when I came here in 2011 and still am but with more nuance.

>>513915561 (OP)
I don't lean either side all parties are kike owned anyone who thinks otherwise is just obliviously naive willfully ignorant and will never change

>>513915561 (OP)
Mine haven't significantly shifted

>>513916140
Anyone claiming to be "fighting capitalism" while destroying the means people have of defending themselves from it (family, religion, race, etc) is actually fighting for capitalism. Every "leftist" win in the West of the past few decades (feminism, mass migration, gay/trans "rights", forced integration) has benefited capitalists far more than any of the groups they were supposed to help.

>>513915561 (OP)
I was quite passionate about it all back when trump and Brexit happened. But when those turned out to be a big bunch of nothing I became deeply apathetic.

>>513916140
the left vs right thing was only a narrative to distract retards. if you look at capitalist governments around the world, no matter which party is in charge, surprise surprise, they are all importing shitskins by the thousands. the only difference between the parties is their fucking stance on trannies or some other wedge social issue that hardly effects your life. but every single one of them is somehow in complete agreement that the west needs to be flooded with shitskins. now if we were to truly believe that >jews fear the samurai, then why is japan being flooded with shitskins? because every capitalist government agrees this is the way.

>>513917813
Ah, youth

>>513915561 (OP)
First time poster here, still postin the frogs

>>513917823
what about israel?

>>513915561 (OP)
I went from being a neoliberal R*ddit socialist to a national socialist if that counts.

>>513917942
They're literally already overrun, and started to import indians after oct 7

>>513916140
>its an arbitrary economic label, not a common ethnicity

>>513917871
I was pushing 30 at the time.

I've become more socialist over the years since I've been here. I was a centrist in 2018 but now I've realized unchecked capitalism has fucked over the world for too long and we need to do something about it; the democrats and republicans have disappointed me more since the 2016 election, and I don't think we can save the country for what it currently is.

>>513918019
seems like they're holding a stable majority for many decades

>>513915656
I'm old enough to remember the original Q drops speak for yourself

>>513915561 (OP)
Im less of a National Socialist and more of a Cath Nat.

>>513917823
Remember when Trump said
>america first
And made the emphasis that Americans we're going to get a ton of jobs, only to turn around and say that they're importing more indians? Lots of politicians lie, and Trump wasn't any different. I swear to fucking god, he's more different this time than he was in '16.

>...
https://youtu.be/m22xn5xaUx4?si=wq1Mr2HpIsId7hvC
wake the fuck up

>>513915561 (OP)
I have become a based leftist thanks to the total retardation of MAGA

ive had enough of ignorance and conspiracy slop culture of retards. Im done.

>>513915561 (OP)
any one that came here after Trump announced his run for presidency in 2015 is the newfag cancer that killed this board. they are normie MIGAtard faggots who deserve the rope right along with antifa faggots and troons. they will be the first to turn in their AR-15s when zog knocks on their door during the next democrat presidency then immediately seethe on this board about how they would've fucked shit up if they didn't have a wife, kids, etc. these "long-term /pol/tards" had never heard of atomwaffen until after they disbanded, know nothing at all whatsoever about Combat 18, and have never read Mein Kampf. this is just a board for fence sitting centrists to type "nigger" and "faggot". with that being said /pol/ still remains the best site on the internet for these braindead dipshits to become aware of the jewish question. So the answer to your question is that being here for any length of time might make the average persons political compass needle move slightly more to the right.

>>513917782
I agree, to be clear I think the solution is national socialism

>>513916140
Capitalism isn't sentient son.

>>513915561 (OP)
2008 newfag here, I was radicalized by 4chan into a libertarian by "it's happening!!!!" memes, supported Trump in 2016 because I fell for the "political outsider will actually drain the swamp for real this time guys" line. I thought Biden actually did a pretty good job, so I begrudgingly voted for Kamala in 2024.

To this day I'm convinced the DNC fucked us all in 2016 by rigging it against Bernie, the republicans still would have won but they would have had to put up a centrist as a counter.

>>513915561 (OP)
my compassion for others has grown
my hatred has become deeper as a result

>>513916140
>I have gradually become convinced that the former is the more correct answer than the latter
I agree, and the funny thing is that you are not allowed to criticize either of them. I find it amusing that the view espoused by this Anon >>513917319 is accepted by many people unironically...because white bankers treat their own so well when they have the opportunity for profit.

>>513915561 (OP)
No, I just hate everyone.

>>513918306
midwit made it past teens without learning about the invisible hand

>>513915561 (OP)
Not in the slightest. When Trump won, I was a Bernie-supporting leftist retard who was still uncomfortable around actual white supremacist views, albeit one who could admit that infinite refugees was not doing the EU any favors, the UK was a cucked police state, systemic racism was a meme, and racist jokes were funny. Ever since the meme flu, I've been a white supremacist nationalist with otherwise moderate-right/libertarian political views. I'm still an agnostic atheist, though. I REALLY wish I used /pol/ more back when it wasn't a cesspit of bots, schizophrenia, and retardation.

>>513915561 (OP)
been here since 2005, i'm 36, further right

>>513918281
>/pol/ack said most ppl after '15 are centrists
>also said anyone who spends time on here will become more right
Your average /pol/ack, when they'll contradict themselves in the same post.

>>513915656
……

>>513915561 (OP)
I still consider myself an old school liberal, but at this point I love watching Democrats lose

>>513918110
An interesting quirk of "more jews out than in" and their primary cohabitant being really quite hostile to them. We might have better results if we were also as ethno-centric as they are, to be sure, but they have all sorts of interesting problems-- their most prolific of breeders are also the ones who religiously observe pacifism, "jews" don't really constitute any sort of race so even at 100% kike it'd be pretty damn brown, and have ended up adopting all sorts of foreign cultural notes by way of their wandering history.

>>513918368
And who is control of that invisible hand? Retard. A economic system does not behave by itself out nowhere. It's manipulated. It's the jews first.

>>513915561 (OP)
You don't even know what lurking is...

Define "Lurking"

>>513918539
>A economic system does not behave by itself out nowhere
Actually, being driven at every point by some individual with his own motivations it sort of does.

>>513918634
there's an order of magnitude more lurkers than there are posters

>>513915561 (OP)
I haven't become a leftist but I've realised the right is nothing but Zionist doesn't. The right is actually worse because at least the left will give you some economic benefits.

>>513918503
Jews are a race

>>513915561 (OP)
'08 nutrollface newfag here. Since the intial redpilling there hasn't been much backtracking. The thing is once you open your eyes to a lot of these issues it's hard to see leftism as anything but naivete

>>513915561 (OP)
>longtime (pre-2017)
Do newfags really?

>>513918384
More Zionist in other words

>>513915561 (OP)
I have always been on the left bro, it was the left that shift right pass us

>>513918318
>I thought Biden actually did a pretty good job, so I begrudgingly voted for Kamala in 2024.
this would be the pedophile that molested little girls on live television and flooded our nation with literally millions of shitskins while the price of everything literally doubled. ok.

>>513915561 (OP)
Yes, and I was always left leaning. I had a moderate episode with Donald Trump's first election. I thought, "wow, maybe we can have a non-politician President." But I quickly realized he was a grifting snake.
IMO America needed a stronger revolution back during the 90s/early 2000s. Millenials were supposed to strike back harder with stronger culture movements, but the media machine ate them and pacified too many of their leaders.

>>513918669

I was talking to 2pbtid OP, are you guys bf/bf?

shut the fuck up and mind your own business, I didn't see your ID in my post faggot.

>>513915561 (OP)
Left/right ideological divide is meaningless when we are ruled by Satanist Jewish pedophiles and freemasons but I repeat myself

>>513918719
kosher conservative inc. zio-right is just another jew trap to corral the normies. If america had a real right wing we'd have another GLR.

>>513918739
Mizrahi and ashkenazi are in no way the same race.

>>513918859
you have my attention now

>>513918850
>needed a stronger revolution back during the 90s/early 2000s.
Not possible. People weren't nearly awake enough then.
>Millenials were supposed to strike back harder with stronger culture movements.
Wasn't going to happen with the stomp clap hey kumbaya shit millenials have been on. Zoomers returning to ethnonationalism is unironically the tinder for the real revolution

>>513915561 (OP)
I consider myself a right leaning socialist
I agree with a lot of conservative values, but i think we need more socialist policies, however our government is corrupt and will fuck up the socialist policies so that only they benefit from it
but ideally, if things would work out, then i think there are a lot of good socialist things we could do, like we already have some socialist policies, for example, healthcare, infrastructure, public safety, and education are all funded by the state, why not throw in some UBI? but the fed will print more money to give to Israel and inflation will go up

>>513915561 (OP)
My politics haven’t changed. I’ve just fully understood now how exactly masons use a two party system to condition society to tolerate their bullshit.

Enshittifcation is just a culture war tool to distract people from how central banking actually governs them. The culture war psyops normies into thinking each side elects their own puppet and only lobbies for 1 half of the false dichotomy when in reality neither of them represent anyone but the occult group running society through their central banking system.

Pretty fake and gay. I mean even the Bible basically called this out, force to approach the book with humility after watching evangelicals froth at the mouth for people who don’t even believe in Christ. Then to notice how covid basically conditioned entire generations of people how to behave simply because of the idea of a disease with a media hype cycle attached to it.

Yeah the mark of the beast shit totally could happen and probably will given a clear track record of this type of normie lemming shit repeatedly happening. As for everyone believing they don’t have souls or that spirits don’t exist? I think that part is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. The book clearly took how the world handled Babylon into account at the macro level. For 2,000 year old scribes being this precise? Psychologists should just find a different job. The people who wrote the book understood how entropy basically makes a tyrannical world government inevitable because all of man’s ideologies exist in a vacuum and always produce cancer when they’re put to the test.
All is vanity chasing like dust after the wind.
Ecclesiastes mogs Nietzsche 2k years before he’s even born.
Kikes don’t run society, their insufferable lustful nature to control does, and pretty soon they’re going to fall on the blade they sharpened for 2,000 years just to get to this point. But not before God subjects this forsaken shit hole to a damn good scathing.

>>513918999
I think most people would be onboard with social safety nets but it's incompatible with the "melting pot infinite immigration" model, which, for the past 50 years, Americans have been brainwashed into thinking is the norm and ideal for the country

>>513919090
yeah, that's another big problem we're currently facing

>>513916140
I don’t think identifying capitalism, as well as jews, as the great problem is as contradictory as many make it seem.
I’ve hardly begun to flesh it out, but I’m partial to the idea that upon reaching its critical mass, capital takes the form of the jew.

>>513918850
Dude we were the closest to a fucking civil war we been since fucking the civil war, further to planting random bombs IRA style I don't know how fucking harder you wanted millennials to push.
The beast is too strong and too much, the only way to beat it is starving in it, which means starving everyone one

>>513915561 (OP)
Been here on this board for that long, I embrace the skizo outlook. One half side is nilistic, 1/4 is a NPC, 1/8 wants the nukes launched for a laugh and the remainder is a faggot leftist.

>>513918848
Lets see you do better not imploding the economy during a once-a-century plague while the Russians invade Europe, schizo

Biden was fine - good, even - and surrounded himself with competent people. I disagree with some of his policies, but I can recognize that overall he was dealt a shit hand and did the best he could. His biggest failure was trying to run for re-election; it's probably hubris, he didn't recognize he was no longer physically capable. Forcing Kamala through just signaled to voters that the DNC had learned nothing, and resentment won Trump the re-election

I can't wait for Vance to lose to Newsom in 2028 and the orange man fans to have an even bigger meltdown than 2020, Trump has caused such damage to the republican party that we won't recover for years

>>513918306
It doesn't have to be, it's just the aggregate effect of putting an absolute shitload of money in private hands and then having insufficient safeguards against allowing the people who possess it to do whatever they want with it. And what do they want to do with it? Increase it, by any means possible, no matter what (or who) needs to be sacrificed to do so. All other interests - racial, national, religious, ideological - take a backseat to the relentless pursuit of profit. It is both the cause and result of liberalism, of putting the individual before all else. Do you think white gentile elites are unaware of how Jews view the goyim? Of how non-whites view white people? They simply don't give a shit and will ally with or import whoever will help them make more money, because the non-rich are basically a different species to them

>>513915561 (OP)
>have your politics shifted leftward at all
Yes I think all Jew owned industry and business should be nationalised.

>>513918995
>Zoomers returning to ethnonationalism

This generation is the most race mixer it's ever been, is older Gen xrs and some millennials claiming race purity, Gen z grew up watching Japanese porn bro

>>513915561 (OP)
Lol not one iota.

>>513915561 (OP)
I am finding myself sometimes debating leftie points against the most retarded far-right takes. I find it funny how I mellowed out because of /pol/... But that's what kinda happened I suppose. I am trying to not get ragebaited and I prefer to channel my energy into the stuff I can actually change instead.

>>513919145
>but I’m partial to the idea that upon reaching its critical mass, capital takes the form of the jew.
I've always held the opinion that the kikes are filling an economic equivalent of an ecological niche and nature abhors a vacuum.

>>513919090
>incompatible with the "melting pot infinite immigration" model,
What's the matter? If we taxed the billionaires by 94%, we would be able to function. Who cares about immigrants?!? Less of them are coming here.

>>513918995
Ethnonationalism will divide too much. You need a united front on culture, not genetics. Retards can be educated, but first America needs to stop allowing mass-immigration.
All H1-Bs and border-hoppers needed to be deported. And they need to be given a choice: Either leave their anchor-babies or they too get deported.
Our foster-care-programs/orphanages are good enough for our own orphans, which means they are good enough for anchor-babies too. And if they aren't then it's time to fix them. But anchor-babies are not an excuse for entire illegal-migrant families to have free citizenship.
Then we can start having Unions. And these Unions can push for workers rights, fair wages, and Healthcare. Just like The Greatest Generation did, before the Baby Boomers fucked everything up.

I have been on 4chan since 2004 and /n/ news since 2006 I have stayed conservative came here from free republic.

>>513919619
>Our foster-care-programs/orphanages are good enough for our own orphans,
Fucking what
Those things don't churn out anything but the mentally ill

>>513915561 (OP)
Went by not knowing nothing to the right then to the center and then things went completely i to clown world and now my idea its just to promote racism and antisemitism for the lulz. Soon 110

>>513919619
>Most jewish post award

Quit obsessing over everyone's children, they aren't yours kike.

>>513918539
kek

>>513918666
don't even bother, this is reddit levels of retardation

>>513919748
Then why do we allow for our American orphans to go through it? If it churns out nothing but "mentally ill", then maybe that means it needs to be fixed?
Regardless, it is a crucial program that still sees use. So you can't just write it off. Or pretend it doesn't exist.

>>513915561 (OP)
i went from lightly conservative more realistically liberal leftist to 1488

>>513915561 (OP)
Been here since 1999, now full-blown Marxist (was libertarian)

>>513915561 (OP)
It's shifted severely to the right. In fact I think I actually count as a 4th position.

>>513919785
"Jews" want society to have uneducated/abused orphans. Because it makes the people easier to control.
You are a bad actor if you don't want to improve orphanages.

>>513915561 (OP)
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>>513919995
stop being jewish

>>513916140
Im too stupid for economics so I only focus on the social stuff and basically I am a theocratic fundamentalist and I want the inquisition reinstated where all trannies, gays, pedophiles and anyone that physionomically looks gay or evil get burned alive at the stake

>>513919619
>It's impractical!

>>513920087
Neither you nor I can stop being Jewish anon. Because the Jew has infected our entire country.
It's time to stand up and do something about it.

Left/right divide is fucking gay and pointless to keep you distracted and cheering for your team of jew dicksucking faggots.
Read Siege.

>>513915561 (OP)
No, rears for queers. Oldfags outgrow the normgroids plantation and see further back than the fake French Revolution. Ideology is for children.

I started reading 4chan in 2007 and I remember when stormfront invaded /news/ in 2013 which lead to moot creating /pol/. the Boston marathon bombing threads were comfy and I rubbed one out to Big Red. Everything is fake and gay, and Trump won’t save you. Read Herbert Marcuse’s One Dimensional Man.

>>513920183
>It's time to stand up

*stands up*

Stop being a jew.

*sits down*

>>513919878
>then maybe that means it needs to be fixed?
No maybe about it. We're in the position where any trust-based interaction needs real scrutiny, and a culture can't hold up under that level of suspicion. We "allow" things to happen because we're simply overloaded with things to be concerned about.
We're in the very real position that simply patching and repurposing the systems we already have only represents chinks in the mortar waiting to be levered down.
Back in the day, the phrase we used was "no political solution", the sad thing is the position is further from defeatism then reformism is

Went from somewhat more right than libertarian, essentially anti-immigrant to NatSoc, to nearly apolitical to the point of returning to adolescence after realizing everything is fake and gay. People forgot how to be human.

>>513920143
Each of these people commited way too many wrongs and became tyrants. While many of them were born of noble intentions... They ended up becoming the monsters that they were fighting.
Now I'm not saying, "Do not try again". Don't confuse my words. I am saying, "We must try again, but this time we do it better."

>>513915561 (OP)
Nope and every single time I come here and see the endless shill hordes like the current batch spamming blacked porn I only get even more extreme.

>>513920143
It's not only not impractical, its the only way forward. In every single example where whites shared a country with minorities, the whites were slowly bred out of existence. Everyone on this earth has an ethnostate except Whites. Its such an obvious thing to see that it makes everything people say to dissuade whites from collectivizing fall on deaf ears. At least to thinking men.

>>513915561 (OP)
>>513915561 (OP)
>pre-2017
>since the first election
which election?
which country?
wtf are you talking about?

>>513920431
No they didn't lol, They lost their respective wars and were smeared to make sure nobody ever picks up their flag again to continue the fight. Any wrong you can attribute to them could be attributed to their opponents 100x more.

>>513917823
This is the most retarded shit I've ever fucking read.
>when you compare every country on earth to the 3 communist countries that exist you'll find that 20% of white capitalist countries import niggers therefore its capitalism fault even though 200 years ago capitalists went to America and practically wiped an entire continent clean of an entire ethnic group.

>>513915561 (OP)
I went from feeling sorry for Ukrainians and wanting a diplomatic resolution for them to supporting total hohol death.

>>513915561 (OP)
Nope.
If anything, I regard AH as a weak failed leader who should have tried harder to free the world.
I'm out the other end of the Lolbertarian Pipeline and swimming in alake of pure white hate.

>>513920641
so you literally agree with me that capitalisms goal is to wipe out the locals. retard.

>>513919285
>they want to do with it? Increase it, by any means possible,
Ah yes and they do this by promoting trannies and niggers then lose millions and millions of dollars as people boycot their products.

Why are you pretending to be an oldfag? Reminder that black rock loses billions on DIY investing and they continue to do it due entirely for political and ideological reasons.

I am still and always will be a fence sitter
>t 2012

>>513920641
Capitalism is still predatory and an open door for Jewish exploitation so it should be done away with. But I agree with your sentiment. The only thing that has actually changed is the peoples education on matters of their own blood. Being taught to hate your own ancestors has horrific ramifications, specifically for white people because their ancestors were the sole reason for our prosperous position in world affairs. Because they felt they had the right to dominate other people, and they did have that right. It was providence that the white man could conquer the world how else could you explain it happening?

>>513920747
Not at all. You're being retarded again and ignoring the vast majority of history because of recent events entirely orchestrated by jews.

>>513915561 (OP)
No. I don't have politics. I recognize that cities are meant to raise human livestock. Unfortunately for the masters of war, everyone is ultimately a wolf in sheep's clothing. This Babylonian nonsense always fails in the end because the Lamb of God cannot be conquered.

>>513920787
Allowing jews to exist opens the door for jewish exploitation.

>>513915561 (OP)
Yes. After the blm antifa and covid combo, I have turned staunchly left, whereas before that, I used to be a hard right winger.

>>513915561 (OP)
Only economically, in the sense that i want every major corporation and their jewish CEOs to be publicly executed

>>513920932
There's a lot of spiritual semites that'll do you just the same. The work doesn't stop there

>>513915561 (OP)
Been around these parts since ~2007 or so, and after my redpilling in the early 2010s I haven’t moved an inch leftward since. I have calmed down a bit though. From ~2016 to ~2021 or so I was pretty heavily involved in right-wing politics both online and IRL, but for the past few years I’ve been much more unplugged, unconcerned with day to day news, and more focused on my family/personal life.
Fuck kikes btw, Heil Hitler 1488

>>513920431
Fair tbqh

>>513920503
It's not because they are enforcing an ethnostate. It's because their society has culture. And they have migrant laws, which they enforce.
You cannot have autonomy without a unified body. A nation without borders cannot exist, Rome proved this. An empire cannot run on ideas alone. The people must remain sovereign, they cannot be servants. The people must have the freedom to act. Communities have to have the right to govern themselves. Thus, elected officials are merely tools, and should no longer have a place in a digital society. Especially when a machine can do their job better and with less corruption.
You don't need a physical person to represent you anymore. You have the fucking internet. Which is how you're here debating with me now.

>>513920561
Neither you nor I can truely say this. We can never really know, at this point.

>>513920756
One of the most cursed things I've ever seen on this website was people unironically posting Hal Turner on /pol/ after I'd been here for when we raided him in 2006

>>513921128
Obviously I agree with you, I was speaking to the broader view. The question isn't what should be happening, the question is why isn't it happening? And the answer is that we're being maliciously genocided by people who are afraid of us.

>>513915561 (OP)
Not American, but not at all

>>513921205
Yes I can, The holocaust is fake, while the holodomor is real. Its accufession- charge the other side with what you're guilty of. The mark of a true psychopath.

>>513915561 (OP)
I've been on 4gag since '07. I was called a newfag cancer by guys that came here in '06. Good times.

>>513921273
>cursed
Why even pretend like you are anything but a redditor though?

>>513921382
>-charge the other side with what you're guilty of
It's the (Rules for radicals) wait for it... ^2

Kids need to read them books and get mathed up.

>>513921628
Get with the times grandpa

>>513921734
This is a thread for newfags here before 2016. You are a giga newfag, probably showed up no later than 2018. You should kill yourself.

>>513921320
Yes, there are people that think white people are "bad." Just like there are people who think Oprah is the devil.
Rather than go after the gangs, that are ultimately fighting for freedom too, we should be going after the media/institutions and rich assholes funding this disinformation. And fighting to improve our citizen's basic-human-rights.
Because, by the time you eliminate one radical-ethno-group, 2 more will pop up to take their place. The amount of dumb people is more vast than you can imagine. And their ability to reproduce and create more dumb people is actually astounding. You cannot out-pace them. You have to hack at the roots of evil. Swinging at the branches won't win you anything but a moment's respite.

>>513916140
But “free market” capitalism is just the Jewish economic system for the goyim, so your premise is all fake and gay

>>513915561 (OP)
As soon as the right started going after naked drawings. Literally lines on a paper. I dont even look at that shit because to me anime is all about wholesome, non-kiked worlds, so viewing it that way defiles it for me. However who fucking cares if some faggot does look at it. If thats a crime then fucking anything can be, because the justification is that they are a pedo in their minds which is just thought crimes. As soon as the right wanted to police thoughts, I checked out.

>>513915561 (OP)
I'm just anti politics now

>>513915561 (OP)
No, if anything I was far more libertarian then.

>>513921382
Are the "True Psychopaths" in the room with us right now?

>>513915561 (OP)
I've been here since I was 14. (2011) and nothing has changed in me (politically speaking) I'm still a chud

>>513922033
>Muh lines on a page
>Muh pixels on a screen
Face the wall.

>>513915561 (OP)
Not leftwaed per say but getting more pussed with Fake Right who want to have the government own and rundown businesses but little kids eating cookies is now socialism.

Christcuck fake right doesn't understand the assignment. >>513915656

>>513915656
Almost true. OP caught us on a good night.

>>513916140
It's in a weird way, jews block capitalism when they want to limit power competition.

>>513915561 (OP)
>have your politics shifted leftward at all in the time since the first election?
No, been here since before /pol/, I learned the holocaust didn't happen before 4chan existed.

>>513916140
It's simply blackmail at the highest level. It is very simple:
I have dirt on you > You have dirt on her > she has dirt on him > But he has dirt on me > I did him a favor > Etc. Etc.

>>513915561 (OP)
No. Been here since 2008. Became a full fledged entho-national socialist in about 2014. I have become far less tolerant since then and now unironically believe the only way out of this mess, at least for 2-3 generations, is to literally kill every living current and former politician, ban their entire genetic lineage from holding elected office, and hold a special election.
If you want a fix for more than three generations then unironically we need to kill roughly 70% of the global population and have an eugenics program with arranged marriages optimizing for IQ, physical fitness, and free thinking tendencies.
Each day that passes I become even more of an extremist. Middle grounds and compromise are for the weak men who seek approval of others.

>>513916975
When we prove we've been here since before then, with pictures, you guys notoriously won't accept it though.

Pol needs to actually understand the culture they inherited.

>>513922192
moron

>>513915561 (OP)
I made this thread to see if there were anyone who had gone through the same evolution in politics as mine: reactionary nationalist who had gone through the wringer of GamerGate - /pol/ - dissident right/NRx substack twitter and despised every bitter mutant on the left, to growing a curiosity in how government actually functioned as I got increasingly into local politics and improving quality-of-life for the aim of local patriotism, to now not being able to take reactionary politics seriously at all.
I can still remember as late as 3 years ago I was still constantly worrying about hiding my power level when making any new friends. Now I just kinda don't care about "proving" how inferior some class of people is.
Actually, I got sick of it from half the conversations on anything deeper than new headlines terminating with some variety of "because nigger," and that probably contributed to my gradual shift away from the right.
So much of reactionary politics just sort of dead-ends itself in the alley of "everything bad is caused by the gestalt of inferior people, everything good is caused by the gestalt of superior people" with the question being how you draw the carve-outs for each. The closest in actual analysis of political power beyond storybook characterization was the whole Moldbugian "Catherdral" thing, which in retrospect really was a useless pile of bullshit that confused the private consultant class as a grand font governmental power, and also downplayed how corporations influence political policy.

From my own experience, I know a lot of you tend to your mind as if a garden. You're (un)consciously avoidant of anything that could potentially disturb the inertia of your world and blackpill you. Everything is fake and nothing is real unless it's one of those anecdotes that flatters your paranoias. It's very disabling. I don't think anybody else here would agree it is, but some of you really are just talking yourselves into circles.

>>513923062
Do you accept things like the bell curve still or are you fully deprogrammed?

>>513916140
Its not capitalism when you have the biggest debt based currencies issued by a private bank. Its a state controlled economy without price controls on every commodity.
Its the Jews/phoenicians/canaanites/catholics

>>513915561 (OP)
i keep moving further right. if there had been any tangible improvement by some kind of compromise between the parties at any point in the past eight years then i might have considered giving the left some support. unfortunately as the spectre of fascism quietly rises, i can find no fault in their reasoning and the justification for their extremism. someday the zoomers will move further right than me and i will understand why, even if i can't join them.

who's going to save the democrats from themselves? gavin newsom? i don't think so.

>>513923414
The bell curve is basically true, but also somewhat mutable based on factors of nutrition, environment of upbringing, health of the mother during gestation, and culture of discipline.
I'm speaking strictly from an American perspective, but I've very cynical about the favorite position that the current state of blacks should be maintained or worsened. Cultivating a permanent racial underclass so humiliated and alienated within your society is just braindead retarded and only encourages the same dysgenic behavior the white supremacists spend so much time lamenting about.
IQ is a rolling average and is constantly recentered so as the peak of the cure is always 100. 100 IQ a century ago, which was the average IQ for whites, today would be 85 - 89 IQ. From that, it's not hard to understand this measure isn't crystal.
Regardless, I don't think lower IQ or differing tendencies of temperament are in and of themselves reasons to shut out entire classes of people from society, so much as how they are expressed. By all means, incarcerate or remove any person who cause issues. There is absolutely a problem of our Justice system continuing to let repeat offenders, who should be permanently incapacitated from civil society, out.
But condemning a race blindly only causes more harm over time than good. It's better to prevent the kids from jumping off the porch early than let them get it in their heads that it's fine and normal to transgress the law.

>>513915561 (OP)
Voted Trump in 2016, didn't vote in 2020 or 2024
I haven't moved leftward, but I have lost any confidence in Trump or the Republican party being able to fix anything that's wrong with this country

>>513917319
This is a good point.

>>513917364
Keked.

>>513915561 (OP)
Being stabbed in the back over and over by Trump has just made me move rightward.

>>513915561 (OP)
my views align entirely with the philosophies in Which Way Western Man and I don't think they'll ever change.
Anyone that isn't knowledgeable on jews or the impending disaster and collapse of every nation due to the extinction of White man simply isn't paying attention to the world around them.

>>513923062
My mind is a garden that 70% of the world wants to see razed salted and stomped out, no matter what I grow. So I will grow the most poisonous, thorny plants possible to spite the world. That is White man's final gambit to stay alive. No more altruism, selfhating, christian charity bullshit.

>>513916140
capitalism can only exist without corruption and greed, and communism can only exist in homogenous societies, where people are not trying to tear down each other. It's not compatible with civil war melting pots like the US.
1st-2nd stage capitalism creates civilizations and keeps gears moving. It IS the cogs, and everyone can live goods lives if it's not subterfuged by kikes and central banking

>>513915561 (OP)
I went from libertarian to national socialist, the political spectrum is actually a horseshoe where the two extremes meet at the back

>>513916140
National socialism solves the capitalism problem

>>513915561 (OP)
>longtime (pre-2017)
Anyways no, I became a monarchist and have stayed so ever since.

>>513915561 (OP)
I got totally alienated from discussing politics with people on /pol/ once I found out most of them never want to agree with the problem of women voting, it is always "but the jews."
Can't have a single conversation about repealing their right to vote based on their voting patterns and the fact they're the easiest sex to fall for propaganda, regardless of the jews existence, it's still a problem, whites aren't some infallible race, some political systems themselves will cause your own collapse.

>>513916140
Hello Chaim.

>>513915561 (OP)
>For any lurking longtime (pre-2017) /pol/tards: have your politics shifted leftward at all in the time since the first election?
since then i've only become more openly homophobic

>>513915561 (OP)
>have your politics shifted leftward
In 2016 I was a Democrat and now I'm basically a Nazi

>>513926789
>the political spectrum is actually a horseshoe where the two extremes meet at the back
dam so you're still retarded

>>513915561 (OP)
oh yeah definitely, your decade-long spam campaign was money well spent. you can fuck off and never come back now, mission accomplished

>>513915561 (OP)
I used to be a libertarian to open up the normies to more radical ideas, then I became a Nazi, my officer informed me that my job will be passed onto Indians and ethnically confused third worlders. I am now just a centrist normie with no job.

>>513915561 (OP)
Don't be leftist, be Righteous
here's a chart

>>513915561 (OP)
Nope you can tell your boss your endless MIGA FELL FOR IT AGAIN campaign isn't working

>>513917482
Forsooth. Fake Left and Fake Right are ironically very real. It's a fake two party faction set up.

>>513915561 (OP)
No my politics have been the same since just after the GWOT started.
Basic libertarian to ethno-nationalist pipeline from the /b/ split.

>>513915561 (OP)
No, however by your standards basically all British people are at least somewhat left wing. If the state were running the trains for example most people would support it.

>>513915561 (OP)
>the first election
The first election /pol/ was around for was 2012