Thread 513931851

Why do humans still procreate? Thousands of years of human history shows: there is no point to this life, all ups and downs and all the shades inbetween have been lived through already by billions before us. We are more sophisticated but still stupid automatons like all the other animals arent we ?

you would have sex if you could, retard. blow your brains out and stop making threads. problem solved.

sage it down the drain, like your genetics, incel.

>>513931922
Contraception allows sex without procreation, practiced since the ancient times. whats your argument, "sex feels good, therefore producing half copies of yourself is good too" ? If thats the case, the brain in your skull is wasted.

>>513931851 (OP)
Ops right, but if we go extinct then we just reincarnate as a lower species.
This is literally hell, and it's eternal

>>513931851 (OP)
>Why
For the 12000 year harvest cycle

>>513931851 (OP)
The black pill is that we're ritualistic food for a higher entity.
It's not bad, desu. it is what it is.
The bible was written by them, ad the bible states: go forth and multiply.
Welcome to hell, brother. Good news? It's all temporary.

>>513931851 (OP)
because at one point in life the procreation instinct launches and pushes you so hard to get a baby so it's really hard to resist it
it won't launch for everyone or not to the same degree so that's why many people don't have children but those for whom it bursts out at full capacity are already doomed, I know a bunch of people who got literally obsessed about having a baby, even though they used to be staunch anti-natalists before. You just can't stop or overthink it, it's nature.

>>513931851 (OP)
>>513932144
Shalom Mr. (((Benatar))). Who pays your for antinatalism in Western countries while Israelis are encouraged to breed like rabbits?

>>513932954
This is not true.
Most of the philosophers, profound authors, poets, intellectuals have all been anti natalist.
Because at some point you realize it's just the ego talking, same desires that guide sin, also guide to make babies, and a lot of them.
Even the thought that your genes are meant to be passed on is a logical fallacy guided by a fragile ego that is afraid, afraid to be insignificant, afraid to let down his ancestors by breaking the curse.
You are not special, no blood is special, nobody is supreme, we are all nothing, now and always.

>>513933069
You are far too gone in a us vs them logical fallacy.
Animals are born without sin, they procreate when nature tells them to into circumstances where their population is controlled by external facotrs or predators.
We do not belong on this planet, especially if we keep breeding without control.

>>513933101
Most people didn't think too hard about it, it just happened.

>>513932144
my argument is that you're an incel so dont worry about it. it's like a fish worrying about the weather. just kys.

>>513931851 (OP)
>Life is like pointless, why bother?

Deep thoughts for a 14-year-old.

>>513933101
>Most of the philosophers, profound authors, poets, intellectuals have all been anti natalist.
>Source: I made it the fuck up.

>>513933286
better to be an incel who is able to reflect on human history than a history-blind chad who produces the next gen of poor souls, damned to repeat the same cycle all over again.

>>513933101
even if it was true, you need to have the ethics and understanding of a philosopher to resist this natural pressure
you can't blame normies that they fail to do it

>>513933101
>we are all nothing
But nothing is perfect, its the most amazing uncorrupted thing there is, you wish you could live up to its standards.

>>513931851 (OP)
Imagine the number of people who have gone before you to give you clean water, electricity, food ect ...
Only a ungrateful full of himself prick couldn't understand the motive.

>>513933101
>Most
And guess what? Most people don't care about them either. Most people want to fuck and have kids regardless of what some sperg jots down on a scrap of paper. At some point you have to get your head out of your ass and realise that the majority of the world can't be wrong and that all your "great" artists are just wankers that other wankers wank over to justify being wankers. Intellectualism is just a massive circlejerk, they get no pussy.

>>513935534
Imagine the number of people who have effectively poisoned that water and food because its more addicting and profitable to sell over-processed sugar water with cancer dyes.

Imagine how much of that electricity has been used to create bombs to extort others.

>>513931851 (OP)
Because its not a decision. You put penis in vagina and babies are born. It just happens

>>513931851 (OP)
Please immediately kill yourself so we don't have to deal with your negativity.

>>513936370
Please do you own dirty work if you think this world is so great and worth killing over.

>>513935534
Sweet summer child, things were invented and built because of curiosity, business and money in mind. Even down to the workers who installed water pipes and electric grid to your house did that for the sole reason of money, they couldnt care less about you.

>>513931851 (OP)
>Why do humans still procreate

It's what we're biologically built around. Humans aren't the agents of our existence, our genes are. Some of our genes have been around for over a billion years, and they ensure their continued existence by being passed from individual to individual. People think that humans are the primary agents of their existence. Most people think we're the "driver" of the human vehicle and that our genes, giving us our body, are the "truck" we use to drive to get from place to place.

It's US that's the truck and the genes are our drivers. They use us as vehicles to get from place to place, to continue existing. Procreation is how this is accomplished so we are very fundamentally coded to procreate.

>there is no point to this life

Yes there is. It is to live.

>all ups and downs and all the shades inbetween have been lived through already by billions before us

In their own individual ways, yes, but not in your individual way.

>We are more sophisticated

Define "more sophisticated".

>stupid automatons like all the other animals

Why would that be a bad thing? Nature has a pretty good idea of what it's doing. Seems like a cause for celebration that you get the privilege to walk around on this Earth being the biological machine that you are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT5AXGS1aL8

>>513931851 (OP)
>I want to die
>please kill me
/diy/ is your friend, anon(this actually means get a fucking hobby, retard). Either get over it(it's really easy, go outside), or stop begging other people to solve your desires for you.

>>513937646
>In their own individual ways, yes, but not in your individual way.
100 billion lives were lived and died in the forests, deserts, jungles, steppes, mountains, cities,.. dozens of high civilizations emerged and perished, yet there are still unique "individual" ways left to be lived ? Do you really think your and your childrens thoughts, emotions, joys, sorrows are unique and different from the billions in the past ?

>>513931851 (OP)
>>513933069

>>513938446
Who cares bro
You're simply having an existential crisis
It'll go away
Your next birthday is coming up !

>>513935711
>Intellectualism is just a massive circlejerk, they get no pussy.

circlejerk also fits pefectly the "other" side of "intellectualism". Im from working class and not academic or intellectual class by any means. Also remember that the kids of the working class are the ones who are likely to live shitty lives due to low living standards, meager pay, cannon fodder in wars, horrible jobs, ... This adressed to YOU when you are working class to reconsider the likely consequences, the odds are against the children of poor people, everywhere in the world

>>513932883
>>513933101
This would be deep if I was 12 years old.

Imagine still thinking like this as an adult. You're wrong about all of this, btw.

>>513932754
So the reptilian aliens only eat once every 12000 years?

>>513931851 (OP)
Why are you making a thread if life is pointless to you?

>>513931851 (OP)
Spite mostly, personally speaking

>>513931922
What a completely retarded response.

>>513935711
You truly earned the title "goy" from the kikes. A perfect cog mindlessly creating new cogs.

>>513939169
I care about suffering and want to reduce/eliminate suffering for future generations, one less child born = one less who will suffer. And i want people to zoom out and look at life in the grand scale instead of looking at life from the perspective of their tiny life.

>>513939111
If they are traveling at relativistic speeds it's much shorter for them and there could be many planets.

>>513931851 (OP)

because pussy is just too good to give it up cold-turkey

>>513931851 (OP)
because one day you are going to die leaving us one cunt short
because raising a child is one of the most potentially rewarding things a person can do
because technology has more places to go and space won't conquer itself

>>513931851 (OP)
We are not reproducing anymore. All first world countries have low birth rates

>>513940903
You could just kill yourself, poof no suffering, if youre gonna kill humanity anyways theirs no reason to care about humanity because they would exist you mentally ill jew

>>513938717
Amazing book. I was just reading it now

>>513939027
He is right and you know it

>>513933101
Most of those people save for a handful had kids. You can put down the cope that not having kids is some kind of big brain move

>>513931851 (OP)
Producing and raising offspring is surprisingly rewarding. Children are born with an almost absurd capacity for growth in billions of ways. There is no way to know for certain what the future holds for them. In my great grandparents time, controlled flight was mastered for the first time and they lived to see man on the moon, they also survived two world wars, fought in both, and made it through the great depression. My grand parents fought in the second world War and came home. Moms side had 4 daughters and dads had two sons and a daughter. Dad's side owned orchards and farmed for over 50 years. One of his kids is reasonably famous. My dad became a doctor, never even wanting a blueberry bush he was so tired of farming. I'm the youngest of 14 kids. My siblings run the gambit from worthless (dont do drugs kids) to multi millionaire. I have kids ages 3 to 15, and I have hope for the future and vote to protect their future.

There is nothing so important as being a good parent.

>>513940903
>I'm a leftist
We know. Nihilism is boring.

>>513938446
Well firstly you're forgetting about the hard problem of consciousness.

Second, that's a big assumption. How many of those experiences do you have first-hand knowledge of and what is your basis of comparison to compare between 100 billion of them?

Third, let's say you're right, why would it take away from the fact that you're alive? You might never have existed at all, yet you are here with the privilege of experiencing this reality. You're robbing yourself of that experience by holding it to certain criteria you want it to meet, instead of appreciating the opportunity to be a living being to begin with.

>>513942046
>You could just kill yourself, poof no suffering
Its not that easy, many things can go wrong leaving you alive but incapacitated, im also "programmed" to stay alive and avoid pain/death, it takes huge willpower and/or desperation to overcome that. The family would suffer too. Wheras not making any children does not hurt anyone, it even reduces future suffering with 100% guarantee. But once you bring a child to this world, the merciless wheel of fortune spins: early child leukemia, millions of possible ailments, getting blown to pieces in war and suffering agony for hours till death on a cold field, losing your loved ones, experiencing the utter indifference of the universe to the horrible experiences humans have/had ... everything is possible once you are subject to this world.

>>513932954
Scary. Thank God we now have women empowerment to stop this non sense

>>513935411
human history is called anthropology

>>513943389
Its partly my hatred for the indifference of this world to our problems, countless people suffering from cancer in random hospital rooms, men getting shredded by drones on a field, people working utterly boring jobs they hate day to day, paying half or even more of the pay for rent just to avoid being homeless, ... , what kind of gift is this ? Just try to zoom out and look from above.

>>513937646
someone read the selfish gene !

I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self-contain'd,
I stand and look at them long and long.

They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins,
They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
Not one is dissatisfied, not one is demented with the mania of owning things,
Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of years ago,
Not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth.

>>513931851 (OP)
That filename made me kek

>>513931851 (OP)
>Why do humans still procreate?
Only dumb idiots or the rich do it.
The rich do it so they can have a heir . The dumb idiots do it coz they wanna cook deep inside and fuck raw.

>>513931922
>you would have sex if you could
Sex is disgusting and gruesome act of primitivism. It can get you such a diseases that you will beg for death every day.

>>513933069
They are the chosen people. Whites are the children of Satan and must perish.

>>513931922
I love when roasties try to make a eugenics argument since they can never address why mediocre women (which they themselves probably are) should also pass on their genes? If they truly believed in eugenics then they would sterilize themselves and only support 7/10+ women breeding. But they obviously don’t. They think it’s perfectly fine for uggos like themselves to breed.

>>513935534
That was because of humanism. That ideology is gone. It goes backwards and things get worse by the day, because of greed, because of capitalism. Thr capitalism killed humanism.

>>513943848
>bad things happen mean life's not worth living
Let me guess, God doesn't exist because bad things happen?

>>513945784
Yes
No benevolent being would watch this untold misery unfold when he has the power to stop it

>>513932144
>practiced since the ancient times
Contraception is modern. The old techniques dont work well. Sorry but synthetic hormones work better than a woman stuffing half a lemon up her cunt. In the old days women were always pregnant, my own grandmother had over 15 kids, there wasnt a single pharmacy in her village

>>513944896
No I initially learned it from this book: https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324061748

I knew about The Selfish Gene for a long time but didn't read it until much later

>>513945991
Says more about you than something you claim to not believe in

>>513932754
>Eating almost everyone in one sitting
They're just gonna be hungry again in a few hours.

>>513939027
>appeal to authority
Good goy

>>513941713
But only if you are feral animal wearing human skin

>>513945784
>God doesn't exist because bad things happen?
People like you deserve to burn in hell

>>513944645
>what kind of gift is this

Life has existed for possibly 4 billion years. Think of all the countless individuals who have lived in that period, thrived, suffered, procreated, been eaten, survived.

And yet, everything wants to live. Every living being you encounter tries to survive, human and otherwise. If the suffering truly eclipsed the value of existing, would life have persisted this long, would 99.9999% of humans and animals you ever encounter give every shred of their entire existence to survive and thrive, no matter the hardships?

>Just try to zoom out and look from above

I seem to be looking at life over the course of billions of years, you're looking at life from the span of your individual lifetime. Who is zoomed out more?

>>513947196
Its called self preservation instinct, retard

>>513947196
You have more common with ants and herd animals than with human beings, collectivist

>>513931922
This is where male eugenicists come in to engineer gene pools so not every single woman only ever has to procreate with just one single breeding bull and genes can spread out and lift the tide of an entire multi-million nation and not just a single bloodline. the gender "war" is at the root a spiritual war for humanity itself.

>>513947423
>collectivist
I'm a voluntaryist you fucking retard

I believe in a biocentric society, one that is engineered around the biological needs and biomechanical properties of human beings.

Collectivism and individualism are political ideas that have 0 relationship to how humans function. Neither of these ideologies come into consideration for me.

>>513947338

Yes and why do you imagine such a thing as "self preservation instinct" exists?

>>513947196
You can't even look far enough ahead to see a better future for the next generation. You are still self centered

>>513931851 (OP)
>we are stupid automatons
talking about yourself there, retard.