Thread 513940190

What is going on in Europe?

Still more white births than the U.S.

>>513940257
>most common name mohammed

>>513940190 (OP)
Bunch of ugly imports gave all of the beautiful women the ick.
Don't worry ladies, at least here we have the wherewithal to bag up our browns before we deliver them back home.

>>513940310
It isn't, you believe fake news because you are stupid

>>513940190 (OP)
>What is going on in Europe?
jew-jabbed.

>>513940190 (OP)
the great replacement

>>513940190 (OP)
The birth rate doesn't concern me. Eventually it will stabilise.
What bothers me is needlessly importing huge amounts of non-Europeans who then have an obscene birth rate. That is a much trickier problem to resolve.
A shrinking population by itself isnt really a problem unless you really, really care about the GDP line going up.

>>513940496
>Noah
>oi m8, our most popular name isn’t THAT sandnigger name, it’s this OTHER sandnigger name
grim

>>513940257
>HAHAHA! IT WILL BE ANOTHER DECADE BEFORE WE BECOME AS NON-WHITE AS THE US CURRENTLY IS
But you still nonetheless will. Unless you change something and soon. Saying that America is currently worse is correct, but you're also headed in that same direction. Fix your shit.

>>513940190 (OP)
not my problem

>>513940496
LEL

>>513940190 (OP)
civilisation collapse, it happens to all civilisations

>>513940257
Lmao who's gonna tell him

>>513941286
not just europe.

>>513941649
Yes it's the post WWII global civilisation, but it is faster in Europe as it is the (old) center of it

>>513940496
The most common baby name in Oslo has been Mohammed multiple times.

birth rates won't increase while women are allowed to work

>>513940190 (OP)
too crowded
needs fewer people, same as every other country
I want to enjoy the park like my grandparents did

>>513940190 (OP)
Yeah America isn't white, what did you expect?

>>513940190 (OP)
Politicians hate their people and roll over each other to promote policies that fuck over their populations even more and populations too demoralized to stop voting for the politicians who hate them while importing more people to vote for the politicians in case/for when their populations refuse to vote.
We truly need responsibility in politics. They should be living on the streets after being thrown out. Then people will spawn again

>>513940617
No it won't with this culture, we're heading for self genocide.
Women won't magically start wanting to have families and be loyal to their husbands. You have to change the culture to achieve that, proactively.

>>513940257
>Still more white births than the U.S.
Retard

>>513942298
English women don't have to bang out a kid as soon as they hit the runway.

>>513942125
This is retarded thinking. Western economies are all financial Ponzi-schemes. The population can't fall without financial collapse. They'll just import shitskins to make up the deficit, and to be their slave class.

>>513942436
>English women don't have to bang out a kid as soon as they hit the runway.
Do you have a fucking point you retarded ass nigger?

>>513942298
>once again somerset is where the saxons make their last stand
like history, it rhymes.

>>513940496
Bongs are brown.

>>513940190 (OP)
Vaxx finally kicking in, along with TikTok and corrupt bureaucrats allowing browns to rape and pillage with no issue, causing social malaise

>>513942527
Kemi Obonganignogaabooga the leader of the conservative party was born here and then taken back to Nigeria to live after she was born.

>>513942527
>Western economies are all financial Ponzi-schemes
that was two or three paradigms ago.
a post-industrial economy grows through increased productivity per worker, not having more workers.
every first world country now has an excess labor force.
(most of us also have a shortage of skilled labor but that's a different problem with no quick solution)

>>513942944
We have a shortage of people who will work outside in the cold to build houses.

>>513942944
There's no shortage of people capable of performing said labor, entitled employers just want perfect candidates they can pay nothing

>>513942944
>a post-industrial economy grows through increased productivity per worker, not having more workers.
No, Western economies grow on financial speculation built around the sheer number of buyers/consumers. Basically, Western economies are built around a massive financial bubble driven by global investors who see the West as either a safe-haven for their money, or the only place to invest their capital since third-world countries don't have stock markets or other financial products through which to grow their money passively. Beyond the stock market, crypto, and other ponzi-schemes, the other way to for foreigners to bring their capital to Western markets is through real-estate and tourism.

All of these financial schemes require a constantly expanding injection of capital otherwise everything collapses because none of it has any intrinsic value.

>>513940190 (OP)
Eurocucks cant breed

>>513940190 (OP)
We dont have so many brown people as USA.

>>513943864
I'm well-aware, retard. This thread is about Europe.

>>513943333 (checked)
you're not wrong I just said there's no quick solution.
force companies to find that labor locally and take away any assistance in doing so. they'll panic and open their own universities.
>>513943139
how could you possibly know that? a builder can't pay more when he and every downstream customer is subject to the most onerous property tax burden in the OECD.

>>513943645
>Western economies grow on financial speculation built around the sheer number of buyers/consumers
that was two or three paradigms ago
why don't you ask me questions about the current paradigm instead of repeating an economic consensus that was outdated 70 years ago?

>>513944000
>tesla
lmao clown car clown country, it's no wonder its sales are DIVING

>>513940190 (OP)
you destroyed us on purpose

>>513944162
The West is nothing but hyperfinancialized economies selling themselves and their women to foreigners. What is the mythical new paradigm of which you speak.

>>513940439
you must be the only guy left who still thinks people are actually being deported

>>513944375
This. Americans forced the neo-liberal project on Europeans in 1992.

>>513940705
>Fix your shit.
...and you?

>>513940190 (OP)
Jewish wars are expensive to subsidies, the wealth looted from EU nations would go into the production of new families. However Europe is milked by the Jewnited states and so Israel is funded and protected at the detriment of the white europeans that they are devouring with economic oppression, while they simultaneously bomb and massacre innocent palestinian children to make room for their extra beach front condos that europeans and the american tax payer are paying for.

>>513944162
>>513944409
Without the artificial buying power of the US dollar as world's reserve currency, there is no west.

>>513944162
The fact that we no longer need mass quantities of industrial labor doesn't mean that we don't still rely upon mass quantities of cheap service workers and attendant consumption

>>513944452
It started much earlier, but honestly, who gives a shit. Eurocucks have been completely irrelevant since 1945.

There is none more delusional than the Eurocuck.

>>513942265
Eventually the incentives would balance in such a way that family formation became easier.
Cheaper homes, higher wages etc.
Instead, whilst the population is declining there is an infinite flow of people form the 3rd world to make housing expensive, wages lower, society unsafer and as a result family formation more difficult.

>>513945101
Human behaviour doesn't work like that, people don't do what is good for them. Behaviour is like water, it always flows towards the path of least resistance, it doesn't follow virtue.

>>513944000
>jew dee pee
It's all going to Pajeet ceo's and (((shareholders))) anyway.

>>513944409
>>513944577
>mythical
you argue like a woman.
economic growth in a mature economy from increasing productivity per worker.
put simply, a million more laborers with the same (usually less) skill level as the laborers that are already here will not grow the economy. squeezing more productivity out of workers does. this went from new theory to established fact in the 60s and 70s when economists were trying to understand why the Soviet Union suddenly stopped catching up the US in economic output. you can get more laborers and consumers. you can industrialize areas that were previously neglected. and you can vastly increase the output per worker using new technology. it turns out the last one has the greatest economic growth potential. something like email, or standardized intermodal shipping container sizes, is worth more than 10 million new laborers.
>>513944837
yes, but we have enough, and productivity per worker is still rising. when you look at real labor shortages in first world countries it's usually artifcial. e.g. the UK can't find enough geriatric nurses willing to work for $22k a year, or enough construction workers to keep taking 5% haircuts off every stage of the real estate transaction from developer to sub-letter.

>>513945849
So why the mass immigration then?

>>513946489
unless you are a normgroid libtard you already know the answer.

>>513945849
>economic growth in a mature economy from increasing productivity per worker.
Rofl, no. That's an industrial economy where you actually build things to sell. Hyper-financialized economies are just crypto-schemes where the primary aim is to attract foreign capital and to inflate asset prices through leveraging/money-printing.

The only thing keeping the United States going is the petrodollar, and Europe is completely dependent on the United States. Why do you think we're spazzing so fucking hard about China and BRICS? Pic-related.

>>513946746
that's incorrect
corporate value is tied to expected economic output
if you find a publicly traded company where this is not true then you will soon get rich from arbitrage
>Hyper-financialized crypto-schemes leveraging petrodollar
no amount of gay buzzwords will change the fact that US companies have real economic output, which increases primarily through increased output per worker.
in the old paradigm, there is no such thing as excess labor. now the effects of excess labor are readily apparent: millions of people sucking the system dry doing busywork or no work at all.
>>513946489
they want to replace you. that's social, not economic.
also, social (no relation) security is definitely a ponzi scheme. a shrinking population introduces problems when your elderly still feel entitled to a million dollars in end of life care each (when they likely didn't produce that much value in their entire working lives). canada solved this with MAID but you can also solve it by withholding care unless someone's actually able to pay for it out of savings. this is widely seen as cruel. perhaps robotics and automation will ease the burden of caring for the elderly in the future. right now most countries just throw more unqualified afro-caribbean nurses at it and pretend everything is fine.

>>513945849
>Soviet Union suddenly stopped catching up the US in economic output
You need to stop being such a capitalist indoctrinated cuck. The actual reason the Soviet Union started falling behind is because China sided with the United States against them and "The West" suddenly gained a billion chinks to provide slave labor that subsidized the west and gave them new markets. Then the United States cancelled Bretton Woods to allow the dollar to "float" on currency markets because there was essentially no competition. Then we made a deal with the Saudis where they would buy US treasuries and otherwise use their oil revenue to invest in US markets, and to use their influence in OPEC for the benefit of the United States in exchange for protecting their monarchy from the commies, Baathists, and other pan-Islamic/Arabic movements. Then we forced the Japs and Germans to sign the Plaza Accords because American industry couldn't compete.

The only thing propping up the US economy at this point is the privileges of the world's reserve currency and the lack of a viable alternative financial market for foreign investors. The dollar not only allows us to run $1 trillion a year trade deficits, but allows for the massive financial speculation which not only gives us vast wealth, but also lower-than-market interest rates, subsidizing US businesses, vastly increasing borrowing power, which through the machinations of the financial system, vastly inflates asset prices, in which the proceeds trickles down into the consumer market, and allows everyone to live far beyond their means.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaIKeXnX1UM

If we lose the dollar. Everything collapses.

>>513940190 (OP)
>absolutely destroy quality of living and trust by importing tens of millions of violent savages and surrender all of your resources to them
No fucking shit people have checked out when their governments are actively trying to exterminate their own people.

>>513945231
I mostly agree. They do what they are incentivised to do.
I am talking about how the incentives would shift.
Cheaper housing and higher wages and safer societies along with a pro social government that actually supported the population that you wanted to reproduce would increase birth rates.

>>513940190 (OP)
Percent of Covid vaccinated vs USA?

>>513947728
>You need to stop being such a capitalist indoctrinated cuck
lmfao this explains everything
you're going to be quite confused when countries with 40% unemployment keep experiencing economic growth
>noooo you need one billion brown americans to run that fully automated mining equipment

>>513947545
>corporate value is tied to expected economic output
When you say corporate value, I assume you are referring to stock price? As in price to earnings ratio? P/E is hardly useful for investors(the most valuable companies in many cases have never even made a profit). At best you could argue that people are investing for potential future earnings, but that is all speculation(see AI/Tesla/etc).

In reality, the market is primarily driven by the availability of capital. For example, during COVID, the economy was collapsing as asset prices skyrocketed. Why? Because the government injected trillions of dollars into the economy. Investors don't want to sit on a pile of cash when inflation is a possibility. Capital has to go somewhere, at least as long as there is somewhere to go.

What actually powers the west is the lucrativeness of western financial markets. Which is mostly because there are really no alternative. If you're a Sheik in Saudi Arabia, where are you going to put your oil revenue to earn a return on investment? Nothing in Saudi Arabia itself. All of these foreigners throw the capital from selling their commodities into western capital markets. Not only in market funds, but also into real-estate acquisitions.

This is why the United States constantly bails out the bankers, and constantly props up housing prices. It is only through speculation that the west lives. Had the US not bailed out the banks in 2008/2009, everything would have went to zero.

>>513948552
>you're going to be quite confused when countries with 40% unemployment keep experiencing economic growth
I'm not saying productivity doesn't matter. You need productivity. But the United States is overwhelmingly a service economy. Basically, it's Door Dash, Uber, McDonalds, Walmart selling Chinese-made goods, inflated housing markets, crypto-scams using massive amounts of electricity and Nvidia chips to produce imaginary assets, etc. What the fuck does productivity have to do with anything?

>>513940257
Yeah right

>>513940862

Also it's been true for longer than 2023 if you count all the alternate spellings of Muhammad (like Mohammed etc.)

>>513940190 (OP)
The pendulum is swinging hard

>>513942527
>muh GDP go up
What's the GDP of the countries where these shitskins come from, again?

>>513940190 (OP)
We're the number one leader in the boss babe epidemic

>>513944000
Both have financial instruments as more than 50% of their GDP meaning more than half of both economies are fake and gay.

>>513948612
>As in price to earnings ratio?
no, just price
p/e only tells you how much of the net present value ("price") is expected future earnings or, as you say, speculative. that is off topic for purposes of my post. in fact your whole post is off topic. you see triggering words and launch into an irrelevant rant about the petrodollar and evil speculators and bailouts. like a woman.
you have not contested the premise that economic growth in a mature economy is driven by increasing productivity per worker, not increasing the number of workers.
it's a very simple equation. 1.7 million new laborers, if they were all seamlessly integrated into jobs with the right skill level (a big if!), would increase our potential labor output by 1%. could you do that every year? compare increasing productivity per worker by 1% a year, that's trivial. this was apparent by 1950. you think you're fighting against the people who want to replace you but you're really just making their (incorrect) argument for them. considering the amount of waste in our economic and political system, surely you agree that america could be a lot more productive with 100 million fewer people...depending on the people.

>>513940257
Come see me down at the local mosque, we need to talk

>>513948924
> Basically, it's Door Dash, Uber, McDonalds, Walmart selling Chinese-made goods
if all of these were replaced with robots and we had 40% unemployment do you think GDP would go down? (ignoring other effects like social unrest)
my argument is simple: if 10,000 grubhub drivers got replaced by 1 dispatcher and 20,000 robots reaching twice as many customers, then the service sector would grow and we'd all have increased access to that service (assuming the 9,999 find something else to do, which history indicates they will).

>>513947728
>If we lose the dollar. Everything collapses.
When anon. Not if.

>>513940257
BIG DOUBT

>>513949360
>What's the GDP of the countries where these shitskins come from, again?
1) Are we talking about the real material standard-of-living? Or are we talking about GDP's in terms of exchange rates?
2) What would the GDP of America be if it lost the dollar?

In any case, it's not a surprise a country which is stable and attracts global capital has a higher GDP than one that is constantly being subverted into civil wars by western countries supposedly funding terrorists and other radicals in the name of freedom and democracy.

If the United States treated Europe like we treat Iran, Europe would be poorer than Africa.

>>513940190 (OP)
We have 120 million fewer inhabitants and 50% higher GDP than the entire EU.
Why are eurofags so fucking poor?

>>513949495
I never said anything about good vs evil. All I said was that western economies are built on finance(asset inflation, foreign investment, etc). You claimed that they are built on productivity. I gave you the real history not some Milton Friedman fantasy drivel.

The truth is, there is almost no relationship between labor productivity and GDP. Look at the richest countries. What the fuck does productivity have to do with anything.

>>513950203
Ripped off by taxs, feminism, faggotry, the environement become browner and browner so no one with a brain want to spawn a kid in this shithole.

>>513940646
Lol what? You realize all "biblical" names are Jewish, right?

>>513949727
>if all of these were replaced with robots and we had 40% unemployment do you think GDP would go down?
Yes, nigger. Why do you think welfare exists? And Social Security for that matter. It's all about spending. Aggregate-demand. Circular Flow. Go read some fucking Keynes you economically retarded nigger and shut the fuck up.

https://youtu.be/d0nERTFo-Sk?t=61

The crisis of capitalism is not underproduction but underconsumption(and a potential lack of resources).

>>513940190 (OP)
At least one guy has been claiming since just before Covid that Euros will soon regret not having as many Millennials and their Millennials having just slightly fewer kids compounded on their reduced number.
>>513940705
>White and non-White don't add up to 100%
What is the secret third thing?
>>513941803
>Allowed
Are you planning to support a family on your single income?
>>513942265
The women you surround yourself with are not representative.

decades of studying birth habit of humans suddenly have a population you want to go away start pulling the only levers you have.

>>513940257
>us births white
>0
thats not hard, retard

>>513941758
>the most common name in globo homo central
MUHAMMAD IS THE FUTURE

Americans are Chads, Europeans are virgin incels.

>>513951261
>thats not hard, retard
If you're not Saxon you're not white.

>>513951335
please feel sorry for me mister america

>>513950555
>they're built on service
>they're built on finance
they're measured (not some vague bullshit like "built") by productive output, which the countries at the top of your list excel at for reasons that are far simpler to understand and provide far superior predictive value than your "real history" which was about 40% factual and 0% relevant to my post.
ireland, for example, has forgone some revenue streams to make the country more attractive for international finance firms. now, many transactions which are objectively productive (despite your commie rage about that productivity being "fantasy drivel") occur there instead of london or new york, providing value to customers, some of which is skimmed off the top by workers in the financial industry in the form of profit, and by the government authorities that tax them.
the facts have no bearing on my argument.
the only way I could draw any connection to my argument would be talking about what technologies those irish workers to pursue their financial schemes. can one irish financial worker now do the same labor that used to take a whole team of accountants? then the irish economy will grow. it takes far less investment to grow the irish economy 1% via productivity multiplies, than alternative methods like industrialization (because it's already done) or importing more workers (because increasing the labor force by 1% introduces challenges of education, integration, crime, and ethnic strife)
tl;dr "the economy depends on increasing the number of workers and/or consumers" is a red herring that economists stopped believing 70 years ago. repeating it makes you sound stupid. if you do manage to persuade anyone to your objectively wrong beliefs about economic growth, you'll directly contributes to your replacement.

>>513942265
Women who don't want to reproduce don't pass on their genes. Women who do want to reproduce do pass on their genes. This is an extremely simple self correcting problem if our governments weren't actively trying to genocide us with violently enforced replacement migration.

>>513950868
>>if all of these were replaced with robots and we had 40% unemployment do you think GDP would go down?
>Yes, nigger. Why do you think welfare exists?
you're talking about distribution of wealth
in fact the GDP would go up if 10,000 grubhub drivers got replaced by 1 dispatcher and 20,000 robots reaching twice as many customers. two times as much economic stuff (in this case, food delivery) would happen, which is a type of productivity. I gave you a really simple example to illustrate an obvious point and you managed to fuck it up. you are either profoundly retarded, or motivated to stay ignorant.

>>513940257
That should be the norm retard.

>>513940496
because they spell it 20 different ways.

>>513940496
>It isn't, you believe fake news because you are stupid
What year is your screenshot from? I tracked that site down and the most recent data says Muhammad has arisen to the top.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/babynamesenglandandwales/2023

Your people are being replaced, retard. WAKE THE FUCK UP!

>>513951560
Finance is literally a service, retard(financial services). The only other sectors are industrial and agricultural.

>Ireland
Ireland is just a tax-shelter for international corporations/financiers. Productivity has nothing to do with it. Moreover, Ireland's supposed GDP growth has actually left the Irish people poorer in absolute terms because most of their money goes to the speculators who profit from asset inflation(see Rent-Seeking).

In any case, you need productivity insofar as you need products to consume. In the case of Europe, you also need products to export since Europe has no resources of its own. Thus Europe "survives" on the difference between imported commodities and exported products. But this arrangement requires cheap commodities, access to foreign markets, and little to no competition.

In any case, Europe has been propped up by the United States. Not only through our financial system, access to our markets, etc. But also through America's foreign-policy, access to cheap commodities, no real foreign competition(until China), etc.

You seem to think the world as we know it is a product of market competition. No. It's a product of a managed global economy, trade deals, subsidies, dollar hegemony, monopolization of resources/markets, and the blocking of competition through extortion, war, etc. And this has been the reality for hundreds of years.

>>513940257
At least we’re already racist and armed. You’re just going to consent to all the crime.

>>513951695
>in fact the GDP would go up if 10,000 grubhub drivers got replaced by 1 dispatcher and 20,000 robots reaching twice as many customers.
The GDP only goes up if people are spending more money, retard. If you replaced 40% of the labor force with robots, those 40% would now be out of a job. Which means not only would they stop spending money, but they'd be unable to pay their mortgages. The entire housing market would collapse, there would be mass foreclosures. Not only would the banks not be paid back, but they would take massive losses on all of their investments. There would be bank failures a thousand times worse than the 2007/2008 financial crisis.

The only way 40% of the workforce being replaced by robots would increase GDP is if those 40% found other jobs, or if the state intervened to boost demand. As I said, go read some Keynes you retarded nigger.

>>513940190 (OP)
Feminism

>>513952967
>>(ignoring other effects like social unrest)
>>(ignoring other effects like social unrest)
>>(ignoring other effects like social unrest)
you are too stupid to debate
enjoy being wrong about everything

>>513953241
How does that bolster your argument though? All it does it prove me correct, again.

>>513952788
Sad cope

>>513952563
>Ireland is just a tax-shelter for international corporations/financiers. Productivity has nothing to do with it.
you just contradicted yourself
>In any case, you need productivity insofar as you need products to consume. In the case of Europe, you also need products to export since Europe has no resources of its own. Thus Europe "survives" on the difference between imported commodities and exported products. But this arrangement requires cheap commodities, access to foreign markets, and little to no competition.
interesting!
also irrelevant
"the economy depends on increasing the number of workers and/or consumers" is a red herring that economists stopped believing 70 years ago. repeating it makes you sound stupid. if you do manage to persuade anyone to your objectively wrong beliefs about economic growth, you'll directly contributes to your replacement.
>In any case, Europe has been propped up by the United States. Not only through our financial system, access to our markets, etc. But also through America's foreign-policy, access to cheap commodities, no real foreign competition(until China), etc.
interesting!
also irrelevant
"the economy depends on increasing the number of workers and/or consumers" is a red herring that economists stopped believing 70 years ago. repeating it makes you sound stupid. if you do manage to persuade anyone to your objectively wrong beliefs about economic growth, you'll directly contributes to your replacement.
>You seem to think the world as we know it is a product of market competition
strawman heard and ignored
"the economy depends on increasing the number of workers and/or consumers" is a red herring that economists stopped believing 70 years ago. repeating it makes you sound stupid. if you do manage to persuade anyone to your objectively wrong beliefs about economic growth, you'll directly contributes to your replacement.

>>513953329
luddites have always been wrong.
people will find something else to do.
my argument does not depend on being able to accurately predict what that thing is.
you attempted to find a hole in a perfectly cromulent thought experiment but it did not relieve you of the obligation to contend with that thought experiment. the economy grows if some company finds out how to do less with more. you cannot disagree with this statement, yet you feel compelled to try. that's not debate, that's ideology getting in the way of your own edification.

>>513954087
>you just contradicted yourself
No I didn't.

>interesting!
I was talking about Germany. Which is the only relevant industrial country in Europe. Ireland is just a financial leech. Same with most of the rest of the EU.

>"the economy depends on increasing the number of workers and/or consumers"
I never claimed that. I said Western economies are hyperfinancialized and depend on inflows of capital to drive up asset prices. If asset prices actually fell(and couldn't immediately be reinflated), the entire financial ponzi-scheme would collapse.

Furthermore, I said that Western assets depend heavily on foreign inflows of capital. If there was ever a viable alternative financial market, all of that capital would go elsewhere. Basically, if the US ever lost the petrodollar, we would basically lose half our global buying power, our bond-rates would skyrocket, and there would be massive capital flight(which is inevitable btw).

Furthermore, without access to US markets, and without America securing global commodity markets(and suppressing prices), Europe would be absolutely fucked(so would Japan/Korea as well, which is already started).

>>513955016
I could say literally anything and it would become a platform for your irreverent ranting, wouldn't it?
my one and only purpose here is to say that mature economies grow based on productivity per worker and do not need an ever increasing labor force to survive.
if you cannot refute the statement that mature economies grow based on productivity per worker and do not need an ever increasing labor force to survive, then you do not need to reply to me any more.
in b4 you reply to me any more

>>513954227
>luddites have always been wrong.
I'm not a luddite, retard.

You are correct insofar as increases in efficiency have led to increases in productivity. Which have led to increases in material standards, and made businesses more competitive. But not only are you ignoring the role of finance, but you are misunderstanding the process of history.

Historically, 90% of the population were farmers because that's how many laborers were required. As farming became more productive(2-field system to 3-field system, selective-breeding of crops, irrigation, fertilizers, etc) you needed less laborers to produce the same amount of food. Then with the invention of the tractor, and other labor-saving machines, the need for labor fell even more.

But this on its own cannot increase GDP. What labor-saving did was "free" labor to do other things. As farm labor needs declined, people began to move into the cities, and worked in manufacturing, services, etc.

So yes, automation(human labor-saving machines) CAN increase the GDP, but only if those laborers do something else, and thus maintain their income, or increase it(by doing things of greater value, see industry/technology/etc). Replacing 40% of the labor-force with machines CANNOT increase the GDP on its own. And would have such a disruptive effect(in the short-term), that it would actually crash demand, and asset prices. These things need to happen gradually.

Furthermore, it's ironic that you mentioned social unrest, because high unemployment is what causes social unrest, not wasted labor.

So I honestly have no fucking idea wtf you're talking about.

>>513940190 (OP)
Childrens are nowadays luxury goods and no one have time or resource for that kind of shite

>>513955964
>I'm not a luddite
then why does your post assume that labor-saving technology will destroy productivity, when it has historically increased productivity for reasons which are incredibly simple to grasp?
instead of understanding how "luddites are wrong" factors into my argument you took it personally (like a woman) and rejected the argument for fallacious reasons.
now you will never learn. good job.
in after and before you reply with some more off topic rants.
my one and only purpose here is to say that mature economies grow based on productivity per worker and do not need an ever increasing labor force to survive.
if you cannot refute the statement that mature economies grow based on productivity per worker and do not need an ever increasing labor force to survive, then you do not need to reply to me any more.

>>513955292
>my one and only purpose here is to say that mature economies grow based on productivity per worker
But this is false, and there is literally NO DATA, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, that can be provided to support your argument.

Mature economies are service-based, not industrial, and not agriculture. Thus, it is exactly the opposite. Historical economies were built on productivity. Modern economies are built on financial speculation, crypto schemes, real-estate bubbles, etc. Which is why a few banks going bankrupt nearly collapsed the entire global economy in 2008.

>>513950946
I choose to not sorround myself with any women.
>>513951598
Did you even read what I said? It's not genetic, it's cultural.
Spoiler: parents cannot win against the dominant culture. Your sweet daughter you put so much effort into raising WILL march for palestine and more migration and WILL hang out with mohammed and jamal.

If you don't want that then not only you have to raise her right but you have to change the dominant culture, otherwise your efforts will be in vain.

>>513956384
>But this is false, and there is literally NO DATA, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, that can be provided to support your argument.
you've purposelly guided us away from the topic, and avoided asking any questions.
now you declare there is nothing to learn on the topic.
well, that clears up the mystery of how you came to be so stupidly misinformed about simple economics.
the theory replaced yours 70 years ago. the theory is not controversial. the theory has a name. but you are sure that I'm making it up so I guess we'll leave it at that until you learn to ask questions.
>Mature economies are service-based, not industrial, and not agriculture
exactly
thus, my comparison of adding 1% more labor to the economy vs. adding 1% more productivity per worker is particularly apt, in a way it wouldn't be in a developing economy.
unfortunately you had no interest in reflecting on that comparison and thus failed to learn anything from it. and that's how it will have to stay. I can't use the ludovico technique on you, you have to be curious, and obviously that won't happen.
in after and before you reply with some more off topic rants.

>>513944493
It's too late for us. Heed our warning and accept it in good faith.

>>513956312
>then why does your post assume that labor-saving technology will destroy productivity
I never said that, retard. I said on its own, labor-saving machines CANNOT increase GDP. Moreover, I said that pushing 40% of the workforce out of the economy would have a profound effect on both consumption and the real-estate market unless the government intervened(see my comments about welfare/social-security/etc).

Furthermore, I said that there is almost no relation between worker productivity and GDP, and that the privileges of the dollar as world's reserve currency gives America massive privileges that allows is to run $1 trillion a year trade deficits, as well as skim massive amounts of money from the proceeds of an artificially inflated financial system, which allows Americans to live far beyond their means.

If China had the world's reserve currency, Americans and Europeans would be working in the sweatshops, and East Asia would be much richer.

>>513940190 (OP)
absolutely nothing of use
just like the past 200 years

>>513942527
>. The population can't fall without financial collapse
There are no financial collapses. The financial system is not some bridge to "collapse". Very specific things happen during a financial crisis that basically end with someone losing money or value of an asset. Thats a capability of the financial system and of things like bankruptcy law, not a cause of collapse.
Now onto specifics, a lack of workers and too many pensioners is going to lead to a reduction of pensions, a reduction of home prices and some modest increase in wages, that cant be much since its limited by total GDP available. There will also be reductions of many unproductive jobs and sending workers to more productive works, people will work more in real jobs since theres less money around to staff HR departments with 100 managers.
Pretty predictable and not a collapse. Who suffers more in this are old people.

>>513956985
>the theory replaced yours 70 years ago
You keep declaring shit without evidence. As if it coming out of your fucking mouth is proof enough. Even the examples you provide(Ireland) prove my argument, not yours.

>thus, my comparison of adding 1% more labor to the economy vs. adding 1% more productivity per worker is particularly apt, in a way it wouldn't be in a developing economy.
The point I'm making is, finance distorts everything. Western economies are really just crypto-schemes supported by the dollar, the US military, and the lack of alternatives. Furthermore, since Europe has no resources, without a constant infusion of foreign capital, everything would collapse.

The reason Europe is absolutely cucked is because it has no choice. Without Russian gas, there is no Germany industry. And without German industry, there is no Europe.

>>513957493
>Western economies are really just crypto-schemes supported by the dollar,
Bullshit

>>513940190 (OP)
The birthrates in Europe have been falling since the 1700s, there's nothing that can be done about it.

>>513956312
>when it has historically increased productivity for reasons which are incredibly simple to grasp?
You're stupidly conflating productivity with jobs. Robots could easily be far more productive than humans while also putting most of us out of work. The economy as a whole would be more productive yes but the individual humans within the system could become catastrophically/fatally poor at the same time from the same mechanisms.

There's no law of the universe that states this industrial revolution has to work out exactly the same way as the rest, or that technological improvements always lead to more/better jobs for people. We've in fact already seen in the Rust Belt that the automation wave today is not making more/better jobs for people. For blue collar Americana it largely led to suicide, opioid abuse and desolation. They didn't learn to code, they died. The only hope for white collars is that we'll have enough status to actually pull some change in government when the robots come for us. Good luck though; we already tacitly accepted total human death when we let it happen to blue collars, it'll be easy to hoist us by our own petards when we complain about ChatGPT.

>>513940190 (OP)
continental suicide

>>513951406
Franklin was no expert on race or genetics, his opinion is meaningless. I wish you retards would stop repeating this drivel.

>>513957140
>The financial system is not some bridge to "collapse".
Everything could go to zero easily, retard. It nearly happened during the Great Depression. It was saved by massive infusions of government spending.

These financial assets have basically zero intrinsic value. From stocks to gold to fine art. It's all bullshit. The only thing propping up the money crypto scam is more money.

>>513940190 (OP)
Even niggers and Arabs are not having kids in Europe. It’s ogre

>>513957088
>pushing 40% of the workforce out of the economy
as I already explained, that was excluded from the thought experiment
in reality it would not happen (see: luddite reference)
instead of understanding how "luddites are wrong" factors into my argument you took it personally (like a woman) and rejected the argument for fallacious reasons.
now you will never learn. good job.
>retard
projecting too hard
>there is almost no relation between worker productivity and GDP
GDP equals average worker productivity times workers
that is tautological, you fucking retard
it's not something to have either a factual or ideological disagreement over in lieu of contending with the one and only thing I'm here to say, which is that mature economies grow based on productivity per worker and do not need an ever increasing labor force to survive.
if you cannot refute the statement that mature economies grow based on productivity per worker and do not need an ever increasing labor force to survive, then you do not need to reply to me any more.
in after and before you reply with some more off topic rants.

>>513940705
Yeah, the ((Europeans)) imported millions of niggers here over 200 years ago and in just the past several years of importing the 3rd world, Europe is going to be less white than our shithole in the next 20-30 years because none of their native population are breeding beyond replacement rates. It's like our ship is 75% sunk but it's been sinking really slowly for a very long time, and their ship is 30% sunk but sinking 4 times faster than ours and they're standing on the deck laughing at how we're sinking.

>>513947728
Hitler is not entirely right. It's stupid to deride the elite for the sake of it. The elite is fine if it serves the people aside from itself. Hierarchies are natural.
Second, he is in favour of progress and against restoration. This should be self-evident.

When I read "tremendous" I immediately thought of Trump kek.

>>513957853
>that was excluded from the thought experiment
You specifically mentioned 40% unemployment, retard.

"if all of these were replaced with robots and we had 40% unemployment do you think GDP would go down?"

I answered "Yes" and you blew a fucking gasket like the retard you are.

>GDP equals average worker productivity times workers
NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T. WHY THE FUCK DO YOU KEEP REPEATING THIS. PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP.

>>513948612
>but that is all speculation
All form of investment is speculation. Buying a house is speculation. If you knew the market would crash in a month you would wait to buy. No one likes to waste "money".
Hell even filling your mattress with banknotes is speculation. Going to buy groceries before a typhoon or Covid? Speculation.

>>513940190 (OP)
Maxx vaxxed. To the hilt. Births dropped 30% in Latvia from 2020 to 2024. 30% in 4 years to 100+ years lows!!!

>>513940257
True. Of those 4 million births in America more than 2 million are not white. In Europe it's 80%+ white.

>>513942436
>English women
>hit the runway
Emphasis on hit.

>>513940190 (OP)
This is just natural selection taking place, white people aren't going to be a thing anymore in the near future that's all.

With welfare states, people don't have to worry about retirement. There is no incentive to have kids when the government will take care of you.

The problem is that the people who don't have next tax paying kids are being subsidized by the net tax paying children of people who did have kids. I think western states will get the point where childless people will be taxed or have their retirement benefits cut and the multigenerational poverty third world migrants will be "asked" to leave.

>>513957853
>if you cannot refute the statement that mature economies grow based on productivity per worker
Go look at the richest countries, retard. Show me their productivity per worker. Prove your fucking case.

In any case, you sound like a fucking retarded commie citing the labor theory of value. You don't know wtf you're talking about, but you just keep repeating the same bullshit over and over again when a simple glance at reality disproves it.

>>513940190 (OP)
Destruction of community and rise of hyper-individualism

IMO the amount of money someone receives in retirement should be directly linked to how many net taxpaying children they have.
No more free loading.

>>513940257
I desperately wish to agree with you but i'm afraid it's not true

>>513950189
I can't find the source of this image, farthest back I can find is

https://100cats.ru/zapadnye-sankczii-i-vojna-v-ukraine-sozdayut-novyj-mirovoj-poryadok-i-kitaj-vozglavlyaet-parad/

which lol, do you have where this actually came from? Seems like fake news made by a Russian

>>513957890
Not only that, but Whites aren't indigenous to America. It should be considered worse for Whites to be wiped out and replaced in Europe, since unlike here that is where Whites are native to.

>>513957493
>You keep declaring shit without evidence
projecting again
you ignored evidence and forwent every opportunity to ask for more
>Even the examples you provide(Ireland) prove my argument, not yours.
the example of ireland proved my argument that mature economies grow based on productivity per worker and do not need an ever increasing labor force to survive.
it did not prove your argument because you had none.
calling me a retard in every post and ranting about things that aren't remotely on topic is not an argument.
>The point I'm making is, finance distorts everything. Western economies are really just crypto-schemes supported by the dollar, the US military, and the lack of alternatives. Furthermore, since Europe has no resources, without a constant infusion of foreign capital, everything would collapse.
>The reason Europe is absolutely cucked is because it has no choice. Without Russian gas, there is no Germany industry. And without German industry, there is no Europe.
in after off topic rant


>>513957685
you're mistaken
obviously jobs are at risk
obviously this could lead to social ills and even social upheaval
I was only talking about the myth that ever increasing productivity relies on an ever increasing labor force
"but people would revolt if the earth was worth quadrillions of dollars but it was all owned by baron rothschild and his robot minions" is both true and completely besides the fucking point

>>513958275
>You specifically mentioned 40% unemployment
apparently you're too stupid for me to elide anything
"if all of these were replaced with robots and we had 40% unemployment do you think GDP would go down?"
is not what I said.
I said: "if all of these were replaced with robots and we had 40% unemployment do you think GDP would go down? (ignoring other effects like social unrest)"
then I created an even more fool-proof (or so I thought) version.
what if the workers were replaced with robots that were twice as productive, all else being equal?
notice the words guiding you to the inevitable conclusion. twice. as. productive. nope, still went right over your thick head that doubling an enterprise's productivity would increase GDP. you have to fight against the very notion of ceteris paribus like a nigger who just hear about the per capita conspiracy for the first time.
>I answered "Yes"
then you don't understand what these terms means and, absent you developing a sudden and uncharacteristic interest in asking questions and learning something new, there's nothing to discuss.
>you blew a fucking gasket like the retard you are.
projecting hard
>>GDP equals average worker productivity times workers
>NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T. WHY THE FUCK DO YOU KEEP REPEATING THIS. PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP.
I stated a simple definition which you can verify for yourself and you blew a fucking gasket like the retard you are

>>513959943
>I can't find the source of this image, farthest back I can find is
Do you believe it is inaccurate? You could just google natural resources by country and the value. The main problem with the image is that is based on the current value of proven natural resources, and prices fluctuate dramatically over time.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-top-10-countries-by-value-of-all-their-natural-resources

Most of the countries on that list only really have oil/gas. Pic-related is from that article.

>>513960266
Again, GDP has almost nothing to do with productivity. It only means money changing hands.

If I pay a whore to let me shit on her face, the GDP will go up, but there will be no increase in productivity. If I pay you rent, there is GDP. If I don't pay rent, there is no GDP.

Furthermore, the GDP increase will be a lot higher in America where prices are higher than in Guatemala, even for the same "work". And of course, since trade happens across national borders, a country like Qatar or Saudi Arabia can have massive GDP growth from selling oil, even if its worker productivity is non-existent.

So your claim that GDP = productivity is not only absolutely fucking absurd on its face, but you go on to claim it as a tautology.

I can't even tell anymore if you're just stupid or a fucking lying kike. Again, fuck off.

>>513960497
I Googled it and all sources referencing this $75 trillion seem to point towards this one page on Statista:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/748223/leading-countries-based-on-natural-resource-value/

Statista's sources are not public unless you pay them, but considering that it's published by one Madhumitha Jaganmohan, I'm skeptical.

>>513959943
>>513961226
Just google reserves by country. Find the market price, and do the fucking math.

What is that you hope to find? What is it that you want to believe?

>>513940257
Your country could be radioactive dust and you'd be happy as long as the same happened to the US 2 seconds earlier. You aren't any less suicidal than liberals.

>>513961437
>Just google reserves by country. Find the market price, and do the fucking math.
Which commodity? The $75 trillion figure is huge, that comprises a number of resources. Why is your reaction to "I don't know, I can't find the source and the numbers seem funky" instead saying I should do the math myself? Like if I doubt some Indian that says E=Mc^2+AI sounds pretty retarded, I should be an expert in General Relativity? Please.

>What is that you hope to find? What is it that you want to believe?
I want to find figures that are not blatant propaganda anon. If you saw a figure that looked exactly like this but the USA had $150 trillion and the source was locked behind a paywall and posted by some guy named "Moishe Finklestein" would you take it at face value or be a skeptic? Don't get pissy because I'm just saying the figures don't look accurate and want a more reliable source.