Thread 513943063

How to fix this?

>>513943063 (OP)
>make women property again to be bought and sold at auction like nigger slaves
>remove their voting rights
>public spankings for women who curse, commit adultery, drink alcohol, talk back to men or raise their voices
>marry them off to land owning males at age 16
>ban them from higher education and the workforce outside of teaching nursing and childcare
or watch your civilization

>>513943346
or watch your civilization collapse*

>>513943063 (OP)
War

>>513943063 (OP)
Import infinity jeets
Elitebro btw

>>513943063 (OP)
Cum. Inside. The. Ching. Chong. Yellow. Pussy.

There is nothing to fix.

>>513943063 (OP)
This >>513943417
War solves just about every modern issue.

>>513943063 (OP)
10% quota cap on female higher education
or ban on contraceptives

both tried and tested methods

>>513943063 (OP)
Looking at the graph, importing about 500 000 jeets every year should do it.

>>513943063 (OP)
You're mistaking the solution as a problem anon

>>513943588
>infinity jeets
I like the way you think

>>513943063 (OP)
Just enjoy the ride there is no going back

>>513943063 (OP)
Dont care about japan, sure as shit dont care about korea

>>513943063 (OP)
reduce housing prices and increase living space size, it's all it takes and is the only solution, any other finical wrangle wont do shit. Jamming everyone into small apartment in a mega city is exactly how you get these results.

>>513944161
>>513943939

>>513944193
Not going to work in a developed nation, that will work on some backwater African nation with no internet. But development naturally lead to a lower fertility rate as child care expectations increase.

You need to creative an economic incentive to have children. And I don't mean "mandate a few more months of paid maternity leave", none of that bandaid shit comes close to making kids an attractive financial decision for a 20-something. This isn't a cultural problem, and if it is, there's still an economic reality at its root.

Take the archetype of Shaniqua the food stamp queen for example - is she a based and redpilled trad wife? No. So why does she have 7 kids? Because in her position it makes economic sense - she has low standards for living, zero desire to work and gets free shit from the government for each new baby. Now, how do you make children an appealing investment to the mid 20s-30s professional working class who are currently making 1 autistic kid a few months before hitting infertility, if they're lucky? There isn't an easy to answer to this. Even simply banning women from the workforce (complete political suicide for the foreseeable future, but let's pretend) wouldn't really make a difference to the fundamentals. A child would still be a massive financial drain on a household and in the modern world people still have a load of other shit that they enjoy spending money on.

For a real change you'd have to look at stuff like completely axing pensions so that people would either need family to take care of them in old age or starve. Maybe a big relaxation of child labour laws so that kids aren't a huge net drain on the household until age 25. And a load of similarly radical policies that will be complete non-starters politically for decades to come. Realistically, things are probably going to get worse for a while before they get better when it comes to birth rates. Who knows what the future will hold.

>>513944594
those are the only two options and it will happen one way or the other because it must

>>513943063 (OP)
>How to fix this?

>>513944644
you want to axe child labor laws and pensions before addressing the feminist cause

>>513944644
whrong, tax and cash incentives don’t work. the only thing that works is removing your women from higher education. 18-22 year ild women should be having babies, not getting slutted out in college dorms. they are have sterile sex and getting abortions because a baby would interfere with their degree

>>513944644
Spoiler alert for the future - in all recorded history so far, never has a nation managed to recover from such birth rates. NEVER EVER, not a single occurence of this. So future holds just worst birth rates and a decreasing population, immigration or not.

>>513944829
No you are wrong, North Korea has both the things you mentioned and still has a population decline

>>513944991
this

>>513945021
what is their female higher education rate?

>>513943063 (OP)
theres no other choice than millions of jeets

>>513944991
You ever consider that woman go to collage so much because it is impossible in the west to afford a family home with out a dual income? If the average man had a house ready to go with out both needing years of education, the west would be totally different socially.

>>513943063 (OP)
Turn off the electricity.

>>513943063 (OP)
Fix? Its fixing itself right before our eyes.
A shrinking population is good.
GDP and whatever dont need to constantly rise. Its all just goyslop anyways. Let the jewish capitalist system collapse already

>>513944991
>>513944979
You think 22 year old guys are suddenly going to want to start spending all their money raising kids instead of the million other things they could be spending their money on, just because women aren't getting degrees?

>>513943346
I don't think women should be teachers. It might even be a mistake to teach women how to read and write. Christkikes started doing that in the Middle Ages and pretty much immediately the first proto-feminist writers emerged.

>>513945230
move to somalia to get a taste of this "good"

>>513945136
To begin with less then 30% of any north Koreans even go to collage, woman its around 10-15%

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/North-Korea/Tertiary_school_enrollment/#:~:text=Tertiary%20school%20enrollment%2C%20percent%20of%20all%20eligible%20children&text=The%20latest%20value%20from%202018,to%202018%20is%2028.96%20percent.

>>513945336
Germany is already Somalia

>>513945336
>move to somalia
Its full of niggers so it doesnt count.

>>513945173
someone wasnt paying attention in economics. the reason its impossible to afford a family without a dual income is BECAUSE women are going to college and competing with us for all of the high paying white collar jobs, retard. the demand for male labor was cut by 50% because the additional supply of female labor for boss man shekelstein women in the workforce halved the value of the dollar. then they vote in infinity immigrants which further dilutes the value of the dollar.

>>513945288
we didn't have female higher education before the 60-70s it worked and was sustainable
yes they will have children and it will start a cascade effect this as said has been done once before and fixed the birthrate within 5 years

>>513945297
would you rather a female teacher have sex with your son or a male teacher?

>>513945512
feminism is class warfare

>>513945512
That is one of many factors, but if you think the west or any developed nations is going to ever completely ban woman from collage you are delusional. I was talking about realistic solutions

>>513945288
>the ages have to match oerfectly!
are you a woman? women ages 16-22 should be starting families with land owning, business owning, established 30+ year old men

>>513945622
the cantillon effect is the other cause, the good thing is that any movement powerfull enough to overcome the woman question will be able to crush the bankers too

a debt jubilee will happen

anybody who thinks woman can have 1 child each on average or below without losing men rights is retarded

the math says that feminism is already dead woman didn't life up to the price of freedom

responsibillity

>>513945729
Housing prices are artificially increased by boomer legislation, boomers see their retirement as dumping houses on younger people for millions so the boomer politicians constantly add more bureaucracy and red tape to home building and artificially create scarcity. Market forced didn't create expensive housing government intentionally did it.

>>513945553
What you also didn't have before the 60s-70s was a globalised economy with abundant and cheap consumer goods and experiences within reach for average working people. People are richer now, but kids are more expensive, and there's so many other things to spend money on. That is the essential reality here and it is not an easy proposition to "fix".

>>513945622
damn; you dont know economics or history. scroll up look at the first post, read the highlighted part. book is called “The Fate of Empires” you should probably lurk more tbqhwy

>>513945901
its not housing, the issue is international its woman
>>513945950
its feminism get over it, north korea has crippling low birth too you got no room left to flee

>>513945690
Successful land and business owning 30-something guys already have no problem having kids with younger women. This doesn't make a dent on birthrates because (this may shock you) not every man in society is a successful land and business-owning 30-something.

>>513946068
Explain Japan then to me, were Female Education is lower then the EU, female political representation is also lower then EU, yet fertility rate is much lower

>>513946148
just get over it, female higher education is mathematical dead

>>513945950
wrong, the problem is women are only “ready to settle down” after using her most valuable years giving Chad and Jamal her body for free and then expects a betabuxx to commit and provide for a ran though aging roastie. we want marriage when they are 18, they want marriage at 30

They can’t. Reverted pyramide. For them it is unironicaly over. There will be a small uptick in births and then highway to the bottom.

>>513946107
Feminism is just a luxury of economic reality. If the economic incentive existed for the working class to have children in developed economies "feminism" as we know it would disappear overnight.

>>513946291
Their women have rights.

>>513946347
They Have less then EU but fertility is lower

>>513946291
> In Japan, the overall percentage of females enrolled in higher education has been steadily increasing, with some reports indicating over 50% female university enrollment in recent years, though this varies by institution and program. For example, women accounted for 45.6% of all undergraduates in 2022, a figure that had previously reached a record high.

get over it, its done female higher education ends your civilization its mathematical dead

>>513946414
EU stats are inflated by newly arrived niggers of various shades of brown. Natives have it just as bad as the Japanese.

>>513943063 (OP)
Importing niggers

>>513946291
there are a lot of cultural reasons but elephant in the room here, asian women are realizing 3 inches is really fucking small and want BWC and BBC instead

>>513946326
feminism is forced by the american empire and based on jewish minority rule

>>513946473
It getting higher but it is still much lower then EU and their fertility is still much lower, you haven't answered the reason for that difference

>>513946562
you can't have more than 10% female higher education
jews throw stones at women that works too afghanistan style

>>513946532
>Natives have it just as bad as the Japanese.
No it's not, that is a lie. You can look at Estonia if you want, they have much higher fertility then Japan

>>513943063 (OP)
let north korea take over. unironically.

>>513946562
we’re here to discuss amongst ourselves as high iq woman haters. we are not here convince and beg low iq simps to agree with us. lurk or go back to plebbit, several anons have you provide sufficient data and logically sound arguments already

>>513946671
yes, there are marginal differences
female higher education above a 10% quota is not sustainable

>>513946633
Then numbers in your argument still don't correlate with reality, if what you said was the only factor Estonia should have lower fertility then Japan

>>513943063 (OP)
It's fixing itself, retard. An overpopulated bug country, just like japs and chinks.

>>513946633
stop engaging with simps/women, hes arguing just to argue you were right like 3 posts ago

>>513946758
>dunning kruger retards giving unconvincing and uncorrelating arguments
4chan is not a safe space go to reddit yourself if you want shadowbans and updoots

>>513946779
Name a developed country with high quality of live that doesn't have female education above 10%

>>513943588
Infinite jeets. It just makes sense.

>fix
South Korea has a population of 51 million in a country the size of Michigan.
Humanity hit and overshot our carrying capacity. We're just returning to normal. No amount of policy or chud fantasy can prevent this.

As long as women have the right to choose and they are given a safety net by the government, they will never choose to reproduce the majority of men.

>>513946785
it has worked in history my argument is not even an abstract
for fun
google:"how to reduce birthrates in developing countries"

>>513946908
nazi germany, pre war california

>>513943063 (OP)
If you want a serious answer that would actually work, make all taxes that men pay only go to men, and womens taxes only to women. In Sweden for example, only swedish and western men are actually paying in more than they take out of the system, everyone else is a net negative. It's the same pretty much in every western country. The solution is just to stop subsidize women.

>>513946943
>it has worked in history
like when?

>>513943346
This guy calls men dirt and women angels in the same book.

>>513943063 (OP)
Kill everyone and take their shit.

>>513947008
that exits today, Nazi Germany is a funny joke sense is collapsed and California is not a country.

>>513946908
correlation =/= causation

>>513947031
germany did anti feminist reforms

>>513946291
>Explain Japan then to me, were Female Education is lower then the EU, female political representation is also lower then EU, yet fertility rate is much lower

It's "lower" because europeans count every muhammad and tyrone.

>>513944644
You give the nigress too much credit.
It isn't that she expects more free shit for popping out niglet #8, it's that she hasn't had her life destroyed for having niglets #1-7. DeShawn's dick feels good, and that's all she cares about. She probably doesn't even think about the possibility of having a baby while riding baby daddy #5.

>>513947084
arbitrary distinction

>>513947134
and German fertility in 1965 was higher then in 1940.

>>513947209
No it's not because we are talking about national laws and economies, zooming into one piece of a large country is simply fishing for supporting evidence

>>513943063 (OP)
Surrogate motherhood for the state, paid for by debt on the children. It may fuck up the future, but at least there will be a future.

>>513947237
and? effect of the reforms. if you invert the question then you can bypass the ideological censorship
google:"how to reduce birthrates in developing countries"

>>513947186
that's the lie you fall back on but Estonia doesn't have enough muhammad and tyrone to effect their national statistics and they also so survey for European background

>>513947433
>google dis bro i am smart
Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy. The point is Female tertiary education in Germany 1965 was higher then Female tertiary education in 1940, but 1965 had a higher fertility rate, that blows a hole in you theory.

>>513947349
the data is international, clear cause and effect, inverse it and you bypass the ideological censorship

either you choose to restrict female higher ed or it will all go away and women will have stones thrown at them israel/afghanistan style

this is not complicate
woman in classroom for 80% of their fertillity window>10%= birthrates<2 per woman

>>513943063 (OP)
labor is less important as technology advances. surplus should be able to handle a generation or two of an aging population, civilization has obviously seen much worse.

>>513947568
greatest generation had more children then boomers idiot

>>513947753
A developing 3rd world shithole is not the same in anyway as a developed country, they are in different states of being and will accept different political solutions. I'm trying to get to actual solution while you fall back on your Hitler power fantasy that will never happen.

Maybe ask why woman and men feel compelled to education their entire 20s instead of starting a family like many would prefer. Is lowering female tertiary education going to happen with an increased birth rate? yes absolutely. Is government banning woman from collage the solution? No, dismantling the system the farces everyone into tertiary education to begin with is the solution

>>513943063 (OP)
War

>>513947837
What the point of your comment, it's a fact that 1965 Germany had higher fertility rate then 1940

>>513943063 (OP)
You can't. Demographics are a snapshot into decisions that can't be undone for a literal generation. Even if birth rates kicked up 400% today, you're going to have at least 18 years of demographic hell before it starts actually paying off -- and because modern work is as it is, you're going to need to wait even longer for those people to become fully educated, trained, and productive workers. A demographic crisis today is a demographic crisis for the next 20+ years.

>>513944644
you can go pretty fucking hard, but you have to finance that shit somehow.
So step one is abolishing central banks, reinstating the Gold standard, and issuing FIAT currency. Why?
Because if your economy is going into the shitter, in theory there should be plenty of shit to fix and make it grow, no?
Then just go full hitler. Once you get rid of jews and focus your country on long-term goals and proper maintenance of infrastructure, you forgive families 25% of their house loans for every child. This is EVEN MORE viable today thanks to all the automation. If you make the potential market a lot smaller (stop thinking global), economic principles start to make sense again. Healthy competition and economies based on actual innovation and longevity, not on hype and scams.
Also make corruption and lobbyism treason punishable by death by hanging in the towns square, as well as NGOs, any non-state actors, and journos meddling with state people. Make politicians completely transparent. You want power, you better be accountable 100%.

>>513948052
you twist into pretzls because you are demoralized, it is not that hard to understand
female education = less children
female higher education > 10% = less than 2 children per woman
yes other factors play into this but it is a global cross cultural cross economic constant in the data

you either come to your senses or the stones come flying at womens head until they get the memo
thats what the math says

feminism is an ideological zombie and wont make it into the 22nd century, one way or the other

>>513948353
>FIAT
What does FIAT stand for? Is it the same thing FED stands for?

>>513945336
you know
>>513945230
is right in a vacuum, in a country which doesn't import infinity shitskins.
Because they do to mock us.
The goal is to replace us with dumber stock.
That's why they import infinity niggers in the first place.

>>513943063 (OP)
Import indians :^)

>>513948211
that was the long tail of anti feminist reforms which recovered the birthrates within 5 years

>>513948473
I've already proven with several countries that less female education does not = more children, have you considered that you are reading it incorrectly and actually more children = less female education. If you have the societal support for woman to have children in their 20s and not fall into the lower income trap. less woman will want to go to collage.

>>513946291
fertility rate is also a function of urbanization.
If you sit in your 33m2 cuckbox you don't even think about inviting a maiden to fuck, especially if it looks like shit.
Japan has even smaller cuckboxes. If they fuck, they do it in hotels. They barely know their wives if they marry.

>>513943063 (OP)
you cannot, you can fix it only in 20 years from now

>>513948572
>that was the long tail of anti feminist reforms which recovered the birthrates within 5 years
I don't believe that 1965 Germany was more restrictive to woman's right then 1940, you are going to have to prove that if you want me to accept

>>513948657
Yup that is 100% true

>>513943870
>There is nothing to fix.
This. The biggest problem is that all the faggots want perpetual growth and then wonder why masses of shitskins are imported. The fact that the price of your house doubles every year comes at a price.

>>513948647
> less female education does not = more children
all the data disagrees and the experts and the historic precedent of how to solve it
there are other factors the trend holds

>>513948730
boomers had less children than greatest generation

>>513948499
FIAT, from latin "make it happen", is the general concept of trading IOUs directly instead of exchanging them for gold at the bank first.
The FED stands for our current clown world system on top of that, where the US in their position as the lead currency since 1971 (abolition of pegging USD to $35 per ounce in value) simply borrows money from itself, and sells the IOUs to other countries, because every country needs US IOUs (Dollars) to buy stuff, in particular oil.
This setup basically allows the US to EXPORT its own inflation, because there is always demand for US Bonds.
This is currently beginning to shift at glacial pace (multipolar world order and BRICS), which might be the cause of all the conflict. If you want to watch this shift happen in real time, watch US Bond yields, i.e. the amount of interest the US has to promise to sell their IOUs anymore. These IOUs are auctioned with ever increasing yields, and if they don't sell at all, you get yield spikes.
The US credit rating is also a skewed way to look at it, even they can't with a straight face say US is rated AAA+ anymore.

>>513948964
and the greats generation had more children then then silent/lost generation. and if you try to say female tertiary education lowered from silent/lost generation to greatest generation global, that is a complete lie.

>>513943063 (OP)
Its evolution in progress. It will fix itself on 50 years tops.

why do gaijins make this shitty thread every week
we do not care

>>513949251
This. Allow shrinkage. Solve jq for good. Send the shitskins home.

Lebensborn

>>513949351
>we do not care
Based. Dont allow them to import shitskins.

>>513948869
it all lies in over-centralization and over-monopolization. All the cities only get bigger because that's where all the jobs are, and you move to big cities with your company to have access to a bigger talent pool.
It doesn't help that society is over-specialized. We had trades before the internet, now it's jobs, sometimes part of your "education" is just understanding how this one company in particular functions. Nobody even bothers to standardize and teach future generations anymore because "our insurance company is so different teehee it doesn't make sense anyways"
What we're seeing is hubris from the CEOs in the name of short-sightedness, overcentralization of wealth, heavy inflation slowly killing also those people who called the bluff and don't even live in the cities, forcing them there or even worse to work there, abandoning the rural areas.
And why would politishits ever steer against that? That just means the big cities fall into more and more behavioural sink due to anonymity (I can shit into the subway, nobody will remember anyways).
Seriously, you can just be /b/ in big cities, as long as it's not illegal or you don't get caught it will have zero consequences.

>>513949036
I know what fiat currency is, and I know what the Fed is. I'm asking about these acronyms you're using.

>>513949498
which acronyms are you referring to?
if you can answer, I know I am not talking to a bot.

>>513949217
can you stop being silly and just come out and say no matter how bad it is feminism has to be protected I want more women in college no matter the cost

its obvious a trailing indicator, boomer women getting into higher ed crashed their birthrates

>>513949351
pajeet

>>513943063 (OP)
Fix what?

>>513949697
FIAT. You arbitrarily capitalized more things in your last response to avoid conceding what's really a trivial point I'm making because your sense of credibility is fragile. The correct response was to concede the point, for the record. It's less embarrassing, even if you have to admit you're autodidactic.

>>513943063 (OP)
>Import BWC
>Birthrates skyrocket

>>513943063 (OP)
I love how nature designed the sexes so there's a natural male surplus, and in ideal conditions where survival isn't at stake, some men are basically fucked for life even if everyone found their equivalent mate. I fucking hate everything about being a man.

>>513950019
what a fag
go trans then

>>513950019
It depends, unironically, on how hard the times are. Hard times mean more women. Good times mean more men. Quantity in bad times, quality in good times.

>>513949956
whoa, (you) receive one gotcha, I didn't even know it was latin until today and assumed it's an acronym. Now what.
Stop wordsalading and get to the fucking point.

>>513944915
Yup, SK legally recognizes the northern population as their citizens. Koreans liteally have extra 25 mil citizens to join ther cotiety right next to them

>>513949743
I don't care about feminism, personally I have a libertarian view point and do see gov restricting rights as a solution to anything and in fact the current fertility crisis was cause by government and will only be solved by removing government restriction on housing

I just think human race is overrated, and there's no need to give a birth. I kinda follow 'Antinatalism'. I hope AI dominates the world.

>>513950458
you are libertarian? what time period and country was the best?

>>513950523
AI = African Immigrants

>>513945622
This genuinely could happen if women continue doing better than men economically and their voting patterns diverge enough, at that point men won't have anything left to lose.

Captcha: SAD8W

>>513950722
you are shifting the conversation to much larger scope here I don't have time or write pages upon pages here. There is not "best" period but rather specific examples of improvement with government deregulation along with moral principals of citizen being equal under the law to the government.

>>513950835
No I don't see it happening ever, realistically even the most right wing European nations have high female education. No rightwing leaders are even advocating this. For instance take Russia, pretty conservatives leadership, woman still make up 57% tertiary students

>>513943063 (OP)
Make inceldom a capital offense and liquidate the male surplus. Easy peasy.

>>513943063 (OP)
ban contraception

>>513951639
Alternatively, men could just team up and enslave women

>>513945019
There's nothing magical about the birth rate. Society doesn't immediately collapse as soon as it dips below replacement birth rate. You just fell for a jew psyop intended to justify the mass importation of millions of brown third worlders.

>>513943063 (OP)
The absolute simplest solution that is guaranteed to work: ban women from higher education. Nothing else can fix this. Not even banning birth control. Of course, this solution too is unrealistic, which means that humanity is already completely screwed.

>>513951877
A birthrate of 1 halves your population every generation. That's exponential decrease in your population. The extinction might not be complete today, but it will be very soon.

>>513950019
The absolute garbage tier low value men at the very bottom of the male hierarchy not getting to mate is a good thing for our species as a whole. It improves humanity by removing your dysgenic, low quality genes from the gene pool.

>>513952128
or just make woman staying out of higher education and raising a family more appealing than going to higher education.

>>513952128
I don't think women being educated is the problem, the problem is that we don't allocate resources fairly enough between men and women

>>513952410
Seeing what kind of mystery meat golems managed to shit out an entire football team worth of crotch spawn over there, I think you should probably shut the fuck about the topic of quality genes.

>>513952128
Woman isn't the problem, they are just a symptom, just like niggers, sand people, jeets, etc.
If you keep trying to solve just the symptoms you will never get rid of the disease.

>>513943346

/thread

>>513947033

false:

https://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

>>513952128
richer people have a higher fertility rates than poors, and wealth should at least to some extent be connected to higher education.
I think the main issue is the increasing cost of living, also urbanization, people do not want to have kids when a large part of their income goes to paying off a mortgage etc. meaning they would have to cut back on alot of other stuff
potential parents are comparing it to their own childhoods and don't want to give their children a worse life than they themselves had

>>513952342
You are making several big assumptions that aren't true.
1. That birth rates will continue to stay that low for an extended period, regardless of whatever else is happening.
2. That the population size needs to stay the same or grow larger forever, and a decreasing population size is inherently bad.
Just a few years ago everyone was worried about overpopulation and peak oil and running out of clean water and food and other resources. And at the same time, AI and technology was about to replace most human jobs and leave hundreds of millions of now unemployed, excess, surplus people that would need to be taken care of.
But now, the panic is about how the birth rate suddenly collapses (it didn't, the major decline in birth rates happened in the mid '50s through mid '70s in most first world countries) and how nations with low birth rates are facing inevitable extinction in the very near future.

>>513945173
The truth is that a lot of people need to die for anyone to get what they want, when you comprehend this you will realize why war is both our past and our fate
There never was a choice

>>513952880
Having sex and having sex is the easiest, most basic thing imaginable. Even literal retards and dumb animals manage to do it successfully.
If you are so much of a complete failure of a man that you can't figure out how to get girls and put your penis inside them and bust a nut, then I have absolutely zero sympathy for you. You might as well be complaining that it's unfair that it's hard for you to figure out how to breathe.

>>513953343
>1. That birth rates will continue to stay that low for an extended period, regardless of whatever else is happening.
You are correct. They're projected to actually keep getting worse and worse, mostly for reason 2:
>a decreasing population size is inherently bad
Yes. Not because "arrow must forever go up" like the jews want, but because, fundamentally, humans = productivity.
With less people, there will be less things made and created and less advancement. Scientific advancement, industrial prowess, creative endeavors are all started and brought to fruition by (young) people, the number of whom will continuously shrink.

This also has a compounding effect on point #1, as the disappearing production won't mean disappearing demand.
People hear about shrinking populations and think "Good, there will be more for me." But the truth is more like a worse boomer-genZ situation, where the older generation will always be higher in numbers than the younger ones. Politically, they will be an unbeatable block, economically, they will own everything, and socially, the young ones will have to work twice as hard as they do now to get half as much as they're getting (Because remember, there will be less of everything anyway).
So if people are refusing to have children now, why will they be having them later when things will be getting even tougher economically?

Also, AI is, was, and will always be a pipe dream. The elites are going all in on it because they know that the clock is ticking anyway. Either they get worker robots to man the machines, or they will have some grey cyberpunk world without any of the toys and all of the resentful population.

>>513945297
I used to work in public sector and had 2 young girls as my colleagues. One was absolutely retarded (i.e. dumb as rocks) and another one seemed to have a brain (sadly, didn't have enough conversations yet to understand just how much brain she has). Take a wild fucking guess which one of them is getting a third diploma in a non-STEM field.

>>513945584
I'd rather have him study better and have sex with a school's secretary/councelor... if they're hot and not just 50+y.o. hags, God forbid

>>513954444
Checked

>>513943063 (OP)
Artificially produced replicants, unironically

>>513943063 (OP)
singapore president said it best
women education is correlated with low fertility
remove women's rights and you get high fertility rates back

>>513953301
The real issue is that people are looking at this on too short of a time scale, and think it is something that happened suddenly and recently. It's not. Zoom out. It varies from country to country and depends a lot on factors like wars and the economy, but generally the Great Birthrate Decline happened 50+ years ago and has been fairly stable since then.
The primary reasons for that decline are that effective birth control became cheap and widely available, alongside massive changes in society due to globalization and technology.
The reality is that kids are expensive and annoying.
People 100 years ago didn't have a lot of kids because they wanted a lot of kids, it was because they got married and had sex and the woman regularly popping out a kid was the natural consequence of that. Your 20 year old grandparents didn't have kids because they really wanted kids or felt financially stable enough for kids, they just fucked and that's what makes babies so then they had to take care of a kid.
But for the past 50 or so years, people can have sex without producing a kid that you then have to deal with for the next 18+ years. At the same time that they have much greater expenses and bills and consumer goods and technological bullshit competing for whatever money they earn. And unlike people 100 years ago, you can't just send a 9yo out to go work in a field or factory or mill or shop to earn some supplemental income for the family. No, you are going to spend a shit ton of money on that kid today on daycare and swimming lessons and sportsball team and college and everything else, without ever getting any kind of return on what you invest in the kid, other than good feels.

>>513943063 (OP)
increase income tax and slash public funds in healthcare, schooling and unemployment to save the retirement fund

>>513943063 (OP)
Mass rape of females under the age of 17

>>513944644
You can't recall the social state without causing a massive crisis, what you propose will be done, but because the system will fail and a reset is not going to be an option, but necessity

Egg harvesting and brave new world style fake wombs

>>513945297
Women mostly teach their own children and other close families. If you have a healthy family structure you won't run out of teaching work.

>>513943919
not really. poverty is still present so a modern issue too, and war would make it so much worse. also slavery. also socialism

only call of duty zoomers think war is cool or something

>>513955741
zoomers play rivals, overwatch, valorant, & fortnite, call of duty is a zillenial game

>>513954123
>They're projected to actually keep getting worse and worse
The birth rate in South Korea actually jumped back up for the last couple of years.
>With less people, there will be less things made and created and less advancement.
It's a tiny subset of the population that actually makes advances in science and art. The vast majority of the population are basically just consoomers and worker drones who never make any great leap forward for humanity. If anything, we already have too many people who shouldn't be there in the arts and sciences, who end up doing pointless retarded makework research, or producing crappy meaningless "art"
>where the older generation will always be higher in numbers than the younger ones.
Many of those problems are more due to the fact that the average lifespan has increased significantly, but we haven't increased the age where a person goes from being one of the young workers contributing to being an old non-worker receiving benefits and being taken care of.
In the US, when social security was created, the age at which a person could start receiving benefits was the same as the life expectancy at the time. It was supposed to be insurance for people who managed to actually live so long that they could no longer work and take care of themselves. Everyone paid in, but only about half would live long enough to get anything, and the ones who did probably wouldn't very long or get much money anyway, but it kept them from being homeless and starving.
But today, the average life expectancy is about 80, but people are still able to "retire" and start receiving money in their 60s. Now instead of being a form of insurance to take care of you if you live too long, young productive workers are being taxed to pay for healthy, able-bodied and still perfectly capable of working and taking care of themselves boomers to go on permanent vacation for decades. That's doomed to fail even with increasing population growth of new younger workers

>>513943063 (OP)
There isn't really a need to fix that though. It's just the capitalists and corpos pushing this narrative because they rely on infinite growth.

Realistically, the only problem that comes from this is having problems with the social security system, specifically pensions. But once things even out within ~50ish years, it won't be a problem.

The solution is automation.

And also eliminating unneeded jobs. For example all the Wolt, Bolt etc. delivery services. Most of those who work those jobs are immigrants and its often cited as a sector which needs more immigrants. But those services are very recent (like <10 years) and realistically people lived just fine without them. In fact it was better to get the increasingly obese Western nations to walk a bit.

It's similar for other sectors, too. They are all self-perpetuating problems. The sectors most migrants work in are construction (gotta build more homes because we get more people because of immigration), service indutstry (we need more because we import more people) and similar jobs. With reduced population many would become unnecessary and the economy would naturally shrink a bit without any loss of quality of life. In fact, it would improve as there is smaller drain on public services etc.

So, yeah, all in all, reduction in population isn't that big of a problem for Western nations and there isn't really a need to fix it if you stop import migrants.

>>513954766
All good reasons. I think another reason people have fewer kids now is because you're expected to watch them, or have another adult watch them, pretty much 24/7 until they're in high school. I'm in my 30s, I grew up in a suburban area and I remember spending most of my free time outside with friends with little to no adult supervision from the time I was 8 or 9. That gave my parents a ton of kid-free time, especially during the summer when I was outside from breakfast until dinner. It's not like that anymore.
>don't have my own kids
>cousin's kids (13 y/o girl, 10 y/o boy) staying with me for a week in the summer
>they ask me to take them to the park down the street
>tell them they can go on their own (we're in a safe white area), just come back by 6 and call if you need me
>their mom (my cousin) had told me to accompany them anywhere in public but I thought that meant if we went to stores and restaurants and shit like that not the park a block away from me, I know she had a similar childhood to me playing outside unsupervised all the time
>kids come back early
>ask them why
>some Karen threw a fucking fit and threatened to call the cops on them for not having a parent watching them
>can't remember that ever happening when I was a kid, even when we were playing in more dangerous areas and places we shouldn't have been

>>513954169
The smart one? It's difficult to guess, because dumb women of course get non-STEM degrees if they go to university, but the smart ones may also be more interested in bullshit degrees than going for a STEM degree.

>>513956385
Basically this, scaling back consumerism for a more sustainable economic model and filling in the gaps with automation is best solution.

>>513956385
Oy retard most folks are old timers,there are barely any young people, this is unprecedented in human history as the bulk of humans have always been kids in a nation not old fucks

>>513943063 (OP)
The best solution is Unification™.

>>513956176
>The birth rate in South Korea actually jumped back up for the last couple of years.
If you need at least a fertility rate of 2.1 to not shrink-to-extinction, and their 0.9 fertility rate jumps up to 0.95, they're still going extinct. It's nothing to celebrate. Hell, it's probably just an artifact of them not applying the proper windowing function to their average, or some other statistical nonsense.

The Korean people want to become extinct. They are collectively suicidal, and they will get their wish.

>>513956385
>capitalists and corpos pushing this narrative because they rely on infinite growth
that is so fucking stupid that i already know, if i read the rest of your comment, it will be basic shit average people say

>>513953218
By memory, this should be from the same author, I am confident, but I can't find this text in this specific book, sorry.

Revoke womens suffrage. This is the absolute prerequisite for any policy that could actually fix things.

Ban birth control and abortion. Ban no-fault divorce. Criminalize adultery. Only extend single mother welfare benefits to widows. Single mothers through at fault divorce lose the kids if they are at fault, or get manbux if the man is at fault. Single mothers through thottery can either support their kids or give them up for adoption. Ban both porn production and usage (Korea already does this afaik, but the approach is universal).

Provide public school past elementary only to boys. Girls can go to secondary school if their parents pay for private school, but the state shouldn't pay a dime. Get rid of the student loan scheme (only applicable to the US, not Korea), and only provide collage/university subsidies through either specific, high priority research grants, or through scholarships which are only eligible for men, and for which entry is competitive and only applicable for valuable degrees.

>>513956385
>its capitalism and the banks raising our taxes bro, its all rigged
>we need to remove bullshit jobs bro, they are a psy op, they are employing us to keep us from questioning the system bro
average 4chan midwit

>>513959159
most euros have dogshit opinions on women, politics and economics for some reason

>>513953581
Seeing how far more successful people than me have never managed to leave behind a family, I'll take a look at statistics and what's really going on - instead of pathetic gotcha' attempts from a burger imbecile spazzing out on a Mongolian basket weaving forum that can't even keep consistency of thought between 2 posts of his.

>>513944644
how about simply ban child support if the father wasnt offered full custody?

>>513944644
Correct. Positive incentives don't work, negative ones do. Also, tax childless women into homelessness. That leaves them no choice

>>513960374
>Positive incentives don't work, negative ones do.
the negative incentive of risking all your stuff and slavery doesnt dissuade men from trying to marry, women just refuse
>Also, tax childless women into homelessness.
women dont give a shit, they will simply sleep around. the one (1) way to solve this is to abolish divorce

>>513960554
I'm pretty sure they care about not being poor. Take all their money until they have a kid. Then they get the money back.

>>513960745
Why bother with band-aid solutions that have never been tried and could have unpredictable results? Just reverse the causes of the problem in the first place.

>>513943063 (OP)
aren't koreans made in labs? just ramp that up

>>513960745
>pretty sure they care about not being poor
no, they dont. women can always find a man to sleep with in exchange for resources. the question is whether while shes doing that she will carry his children. the answer is only if she doesnt have the option of leaving

so many houses that were build after the war in countryside going to be empty when grandparents generation die
people still moving to citys and new apartments building going up all over the place even though the births are collapsing

IT'S OVER BROS.....

>>513962988
this town - oooh ooh - is looking like a ghost town

i know mr park, same

>>513962952
>women can always find a man to sleep with in exchange for resources
This only works if men have resources and aren't all broke cunts who own nothing and are happy.

>>513943063 (OP)
My barber is Korean.
I mentioned how there are calls from SK to the korean diaspora to move back. She said she's considered it because SK now is so culturally American that she wouldn't have to re-adapt much

>>513962988
Why don't you get inside an abandonet village, build an underground sex dungeon and kindap women there to breed them and start your own village?

>>513958916
Always with this nonsense. There are many countries that conform to the standards you list, and all of them have plummeting fertility rates too. They're going the same speed as Worst Korea, it's just that Worst Korea had a head start.

There is a bigger problem going on, and it can't be solved with misogyny. Though, I did hear about a time someone tried to solve it with delousing pesticides...

>>513963648

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>>513944644
Is it really an accident that birth rate is cratering while a spirit of despair is taking hold? I don't mean in a new agey way I mean in a "Who the fuck is exactly happy and optimistic about the future?" way. If you are left wing it's fear of climate change and rise of the right, if you are normal (or right wing) it is fear of the weird left wing insanity of globo homo and you vill own nothing and be happy shit.

This is just fundamentally not a world and not a trajectory that has anyone happy. Whatever your culture or ideology there's nobody that is actually happy. Social media is likely the biggest culprit more than just women not being chattel. We are seeing declining birth rates even in less permissive cultures, and you guys just have fantasies of Gorean tier subjugation that only really happen in Afghanistan and the most primitive places (As in more primitive than fucking Lagos or South Africa. South Sudan tier).

>>513964271
No matter how widespread "despair" is, it is a fleeting feeling. The people who feel it feel it for a few minutes today, and a few more minutes next week, and in between it's just humdrum. I don't think despair can do this.

This has all the hallmarks of a contagious mental illness. Like teenage suicide clusters, or anorexia. It (childlessness) is a transmissible ideological mental illness, passed from person to person and it infects young children. The lesbian third grade teacher infects your daughters, their wine aunt infects your sons. Nothing short of quarantine will work.

>>513943063 (OP)
Reunification with the North.

>>513963754
do you think gisele bundchen divorcing tom brady will increase tom bradys child count because he can now get a younger woman

>>513964863
childlessness in women is caused by whoring. childlessness in men is caused by inability to marry in most cases. yes, there have in the past been men who didnt care about their families. the crisis today is men who are systematically removed from their families

>>513963754
>Many countries
Name a single country where they were tried and failed.

>>513965780
>do you think gisele bundchen divorcing tom brady will increase tom bradys child count because he can now get a younger woman
Shitting out a battalion of crotch goblins won't fix this. But I'm sure niggers think that's the solution.
>>513966013
>childlessness in men is caused by inability to marry in most cases.
Sure. There's some truth in this, but it's a little twisted up. Incels have wrapped themselves up into a whole host of neurotic complexes that cause their inability to marry. And because they remain childless, they can't raise daughters to become the good women they claim do not exist. Vicious spiral.
>>513966464
>Name a single country where they were tried and failed.
Tried? Quite a few never tried the liberal western thing, they've always remained with the default. Hasn't saved them. Saudi Arabia comes to mind. It's pointless to give a pencildick like you examples, because you'll always nitpick them. "Sure, women can't vote in SA, but they were just allowed to start driving in 2012, so of course their birth rate is falling!" and other stupid shit like that. You're already mindfucked by the contagious mental illness, you can't even think well enough to be in this conversation.

>>513966798
>His best example is a "they did nothing" in a country where women can in fact vote
>He can't name a single country where womens rights were restricted from a more free prior
I can. Afghanistan restricted women's rights and the birth rate increased.

>>513967263
>I can. Afghanistan restricted women's rights and the birth rate increased.
Humans aren't machines, so nothing that humans do goes at exactly the same rate from one week to the next, or one year to the next. Births in particular are somewhat seasonal. We won't even know with certainty that fertility rates have increased for years, and it's not exactly a place where their vital statistics offices are keeping a careful count. But sure... tell yourself that it worked.

Hell, maybe you should just ask that women turn into niggers. Central Africa has some extraordinary "birth rates". You've solved it, Sherlock Dipshit, we all just need to turn into niggers.

>>513967929
>Entire argument was btfo
>""Proof"" demonstrated to be nonsense
>Let me just ignore the evidence and your entire argument now, and pretend you were instead arguing for us to be niggers
Shalom, Rabbi Vile Schlomo.

>>513966798
>Shitting out a battalion of crotch goblins won't fix this.
is the problem low birth rates, or that women are whores and refuse to be companions? in reality both problems are the same, that marriage is illegal, and the second problem is more acute
>Incels have wrapped themselves up into a whole host of neurotic complexes that cause their inability to marry.
no amout of being a good basedboy will change the fact that there are more men 20-50 than women 20-30. hyperhoeflation is structural and permanent for the lives of everyone now living
> And because they remain childless, they can't raise daughters to become the good women they claim do not exist.
good women cant exist because marriage is illegal. men who want to raise their daughters are forced out as punishment. nigga heil hitler

>>513943063 (OP)
theres literally no need to fix it
automation will take care of the work, everyone will have enough cheap ground to build a nice house. vacation spots will no longer be crowded.
who ever had the idea we actually need more humans, when less humans is literally better for everyone in every sense

>>513967929
People are already niggers, and that's not working out so great.

>>513968720
>because marriage is illegal.
Keep chanting it until you can believe that it's reality. It can be your mantra. My 12 yr old son has an excuse for not quite yet knowing how to act like a man, I'll be able to teach him. But you're just unteachable. I actually suspect I know which girl he'll end up marrying, good thing he doesn't get to read your nonsense and be talked out of it.
>>513968981
>everyone will have enough cheap ground to build a nice house. vacation spots will no longer be crowded.
No. That only works if the smaller population has the same demographics as we had back in the 1940s. The work won't be automated, but damn near everyone will be too old to work. The economy will collapse (even more than it has already), and none of you will get to go on vacations.
>who ever had the idea we actually need more humans,
You dumbass kraut... we don't need MORE humans, but it turns out that MANY FEWER humans is worse than MORE. When fertility rates go down below 2.1, population shrinks... but not evenly. You end up with a slightly smaller population where everyone's a fucking geezer shitting in his diaper. We actually need the third option, which is neither more nor less, but a stable population.

>>513943063 (OP)
Regulate birth control.
Tax unmarried childless women for being unmarried childless women.

If men are expected to sign up to charge machine gun fire, women are expected to sign up to have babies. If they won't have babies, their rights have to be curbed.

>>513944644

You got a point but...

>axing pensions
People would rather save money on pension insurance instead of raising kids.

>child labour
And who gonna employ a useless little whiny kid? We don't need coal washers anymore.

The only solution to your point is basically huge government public support for having kids. Almost like if you don't have kids, you cannot catch up with those who have.
Currently, it is opposite.

>>513945019
Which recorded history? You got any statistics of a society that collapsed and you know their birth rate data?

>>513964271
>muh culture wars!!

I tell you a secret my dear poltard.
Most of the young folks dont really care about your schyzo left and right wing fear mongering.
They simply see the wealth distribution. They live in it. When a human is somebody trapped in a slave scenario, he immediately notices it.

Maybe instead of your culture wars you might start thinking about making the world a less competitive place, you know

fucking hate this modern era , everything is fake and lame , and women cant admit that they are natural sluts , and whit the current advanced birth controll they became even more slutty , the only solution is to legalize rape , and ban women from work or education

>>513943063 (OP)
the wolves are angry the sheep whom suffering they benefit from are not reproducing!
my body my choice, mr. wolf.

>>513968981
>everyone will have a cheap land

No. The land will be owned by the techno-feudals.
Everyone else will have to wageslave/fight for it.

But sleep in your sweet libtard dream where total capitalism is the only way to reach meritocracy.

>>513945297
Feminsts only came about after WW1 you fucking retarded mongol, the modern ones during the 60s if you want to be even more correct

>>513970395
they came in the weimar era in germany in the 1920s and maybe in the US too

>>513969969
>You got any statistics of a society that collapsed and you know their birth rate data?
Throughout all of history (until quite recently), the norm was for people to "have as many children as possible". This is also the animal norm. A female moose might have as many as 20 offspring over the course of its life... why then does the moose population not explode? Disease, predators, and famine keep it in check. If there are too many predators, for instance, the moose population might decline quite dangerously. But as soon as that pressure is relieved, the moose population can bounce back nearly immediately... every moose is pumping out more offspring.

Human population can't bounce back because something changed in humans that has never changed in any animal before. Our fertility rate actually declined. Women who have one child give that child the idea that one child is normal. That child won't grow up and decide to have 3 of its own. But it would have to, because unless it has more than 2 children of its own, population can't resurge. This is not quite a permanent state of affairs, but it's pretty damned close.