Thread 513947299

>fucked my country up for generations to come
fuck her and fuck the boomers who voted for her

>>513947299 (OP)
I've heard for decades about how much everyone hates her but what exactly did she do? Other than have her son try to take over an African country

Is that the Iron Lady?

i want thatcher on steroids, abolish the NHS, the NHS is the false god of britain

>>513947706
>what exactly did she do?

Nothing really. leftoids and boomer retards need a white person to hate and she crosses their minds every now and then

One of the most embarrassing quotes of all time, held up by conservatives everywhere as some kind of "trvth nvke".
>There is no such thing as public money, only taxpayer money.
Wrong. Governments create money -- their spending is never constrained by tax revenue, only real resources.

>>513947928
Embarrassing post. Money printing is simply a tax on money.

>>513947299 (OP)
Neolibs like Thatcher and Reagan are jew golem

>>513947706
Screwed over the unions hard. Like, they are permanently neutred.
She also created the idea you should be able to buy your own council home if you've lived there for some period of time. Sounds good on paper, but the council have no houses now. People buy the council house, rent it out, use the rent to buy a second home + profit. So people who need the houses have no fucking houses now. Which is what the fucking houses were made for in the first place. Basically, they weren't her's to sell.
There's a ton of other stuff, but those things piss of a lot of people.

>>513947706
sold off alot of public services, destroyed british industry without creating new opportunities for industrial communities. sold off public housing without building new ones leading to our current housing crisis.
she pushed our country from an industrial society to a banking based society, so everywhere but london got left in the dust
she put this country in hands of private entities
>>513947748
yes. i hesitate to call her a lady though
>>513947799
having healthcare as a public service is a good thing. the health of the people is the health of a nation.

>>513947992
No, it isn't. Printing money is how money gets injected into the economy in the first place. Spending necessarily comes before income.

>>513948225
>sold off public housing without building new ones leading to our current housing crisis.
she pushed our country from an industrial society to a banking based society, so everywhere but london got left in the dust
she put this country in hands of private entities
Jesus Christ, what was the fucking endgame with this shit?

>>513948321
>Jesus Christ, what was the fucking endgame with this shit?
making her and her rich friends richer no matter the cost.

>>513948230
>Printing money is how money gets injected into the economy in the first place.
I'm talking about government money printing where they print money where there isn't a demand for money in the first place, which causes artificial inflation and reduces the value of money (tax).

>>513948225
>having healthcare as a public service is a good thing.
The NHS is shit, all government healthcare is disastrous.
First of all you don't have a right to my money and that's non-negotiable.

>>513948619
You can literally just leave the country and take your money with you.

Nobody needs your money to fund the NHS.

>>513948321
Fuck you statist. Privatise everything.

>>513948321
>Jesus Christ, what was the fucking endgame with this shit?

You have the answer and you don't even realise it, worse still you use the answer as if it were profanity, as if it were not holy.

satan and his ilk laugh at you, at all of us, in our blindness and deafness - have eyes to see and ears to hear: politics was co-opted by the enemy long ago.

>>513948725
It's my private property and i'll do what i like with it, you can fuck off.

>>513947299 (OP)
>woman leader

Yes, of course she was shit. The jeets are worse though.

>>513948619
>The NHS is shit, all government healthcare is disastrous.
it's shit cause it's being stripped solowly to the private market. it's shit by the design of the money grubbing leaches that have infested our establishment.
if you want a society worth living taxes are a necessary sacrifice, but that being said normal working people shopuldn't be taxed alot that burden should lay on the rich

>>513948748
>>513948619
Come to america Bong. Then you can experience the wonder of a privatized Healthcare system. Best in the world in fact.

>>513948806
It's the case of a nation state, though, it's not really your private property, is it? Ultimately it belongs to the nation since you can't take it with you.

>>513948901

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY_7CJbeGCw

>>513948889
Thanks burger, i know the American healthcare has problems, but here you have to wait years to even get a doctors appointment in some cases, it's a fraud.

>retarded bongs go the matriarchy route
>Surprised a w*man destroyed their kingdom
HAHA
Every
Time.

>>513947706
She was the original globalist, selling off all British companies to foreigners and shutting down all our local industries. As long as London made money, she was happy apparently, look at the state of London now

>>513947299 (OP)
Neo liberalism solves economic problems

Calling economic planning like blairism and starmerism, neo liberalism is retarded

>>513948901
You're right, in this commie hellhole it's not private property, but it should be, and i will treat it as such.

>>513948776
And that why I believe nothing and trust no one. They fucking won. It's over.

>>513948852
It's shit since it's primary objective is diversity equality and covering up Muslim incompetence by framing Lucy letby

>>513948852
>it's shit cause it's being stripped solowly to the private market.
100% WRONG. It's shit because government services are an inefficient pile of shit funded by theft.
Taxation is theft whether you like it or not, and it doesn't make things better, taxation destroys civilisation.

>>513949097
You can take your money with you. No one is going to stop from taking your money. But you can't take your land. See the difference? The government can always create more money, it can never run out.

But you're never going to leave. You're just a whiny big mouth.

>>513949154
All government departments primary objective is getting more tax money and more money printed by the government to give them. They don't have to provide any service to get money they just have to ask the government for more of the peasants money. Socialism is feudalism rebranded and the UKay is the best example of this.

>>513948965
That guy is a joke, and so is gary's shitconomics

>>513949084
This and only anon itt that gets it.
Thatcher-Reagan era was Phase 1 of neoliberalism and offshoring the west's manufacturing productive capacity assets.
Phase 2 of neoliberalism aka globalism 101 ramped up in the 90s under Clinton with 'free trade' (NAFTA, GATT etc.) and open borders which brought us to where we are today.

A lot of the problems in the west can be summed up as stupid people electing bad people over and over again for many decades

>>513949269
I will continue to whine, i don't care if i can't take it with me, it's still my private property and you can go to hell.

>>513949154
why are yous obsessed with bown people? like at every opportunity you bring up brown people.
the boats aren't the cause of all issues you know
>>513949216
you're not rich, rich people hate you. they pay thousands upon thousands so their kids don't have to go to school with people like us. stop fighting their battles, they want you to be a rentoid serf whilst they live it up in their country estates.

>>513949307
Right fren. In fact they are incentives to be in a permanent state of need and decay.

Also they have sold that printed money as a loan so the interest has to be paid too. Not that this will reduce inflation in any way.

>>513947299 (OP)

Why do you think people voted for her in overwhelming numbers?
Why do you think the WORKING CLASS voted for her?

Im old enough to remember the answers to these questions. The country was already half dead when people were desperate enough to vote her in. In the 1st phase of her ministry she and others realised the old UK could not be saved, in the 2nd phase she realised the new industries, finance, pharma, tech, services sector provided a route to survival. What is amazing is that with such a vast majority she didnt even attempt to correct the moral decay in society and merely focused on economic survival.

>>513949269
>The government can always create more money, it can never run out.
And absolute morons like you can't see the problem with this.

>>513947799
>i want thatcher on steroids, abolish the NHS, the NHS is the false god of britain
You have been reported. The police will be at your door shortly.

>>513949516

If only i had 1 trillion Zimbabwean dollars for every time i heard this.

>>513949493
Yep, government always wants to create MORE problems, because it gives them a false justification to create MORE government to solve the problem, which only causes more problems, it's a negative feedback loop.
Read Rothbard friend.

>>513949487
It's more that the NHS is obsessed with browns because they are not English or working class.

The boats and their contents are the primary tool against the whites to keep them under control, away from self determination and forever striving for the collective benefit of anyone but themselves.

>>513947299 (OP)
Savile had Christmas dinner with her for 11 years in a row.

>>513949557
Kek, luckily thatcherism isn't punishable by death yet, give it 10 years and being a thatcherite will mean you're a terrorist on the level of ISIS.

She kind of looks like a demon.
Something in those eyes that doesn't seem right.

>>513949501
>Why do you think the WORKING CLASS voted for her?
why do the working class vote reform? why did they vote for bojo's torries?
because the propaganda machine is well oiled.
thatcherism is like selling off your furniture cause you're struggling to make rent, then you have a party with the spare change. but now rent is due again, you're still skint and now you've got no furniture

>>513949639
Oh how silly of you my friend, all Zimbabwe needs to do is print more money, everyone knows that, another 10 quadrillion should do the trick.

>>513947928
>There is no such thing as society, only individual men and women.
Then of course opens the flood gates for pakis and all sorts and her acolytes like Blair call anyone who cares about British society "racist".

>>513949658
O thanks but I will understand no circumstances be reading anything by Jews

Rothebard is merely an attempt to reduce the argument down to absurdity levels. Controlling the argument on the right libertarian side and making it fail also

>>513949755
She was terrible but she was the closest Britain ever had to capitalism in the last 80 years, which was still a communist shithole.

>>513949805
Nah rothbard is keyed, he married a christian woman, also bastiat.

>>513947299 (OP)
If OFCOM can ban porn sites why can't they ban dirty pakis from posting on this board?

>>513949755
>She kind of looks like a demon.
she arguably is
>>513949718
>give it 10 years and being a thatcherite will mean you're a terrorist
thatcher is the architect of our modern politcal landscape. even the "Labour" party under starmer is an offshoot of thatcherism
>>513949893
>which was still a communist shithole.
i wish the country was anywhere atleast a quarter as left wing as you think it is

>>513948748
>Fuck you statist. Privatise everything.

You're probably the same kind of retard who complains about all our companies being owned by foreigners. Just constitutionally incapable of putting two and two together. Thatcherism is a deeply unpatriotic ideology, literally just money worship

>>513949893
Capitalism is just Communism but slower

Algeria ethnically cleansed one million French residents, who in some cases had lived there for centuries, in the course of three months.

The UK is absolutely capable of expelling all non-English UK citizens — they could probably do it in under a year with enough motivation.

>>513947299 (OP)
but that's not Blair?

>>513947706
Destroyed the UK social contract by basically making the argument that culture and society literally did not exist, and anyone who disagreed with that was a seething small minded xenophobe racist.
Massively sold off fucking EVERYTHING to "private" entities, often these "private" entities were just state owned corporations of other countries, so now France gets to own British rail and energy infrastructure for example.
Absolutely FUCKED the North by rapid deindustrializing, but replacing it with literally nothing but City of London Finance and call centers.
Made up all sorts of bullshit new laws that fucked over councils that didn't have extremely rich residents.
Sold off all Social housing in a firesale, those people then sold off their council housing for higher prices to buy to rent firms, who now rent that council housing out for 2k a month when it's basically a commie block flat.
Banned councils from using money from sales to go into more council housing, in fact, money went into central london coffers.
Tried to turn the UK into little US libertarian cockspittles ignoring the UK has a collectivist, class based culture and society and no real fucking ability for the average person to just manifest destiny their way into wealth.
Turned the Labour party into a Neoliberal party.
Allowed so much corruption through the city of London, it literally caused the Global Financal Crisis when Wall Street realized everything in the City of London was fucking fake and didn't actually exist in reality.

>>513950061
>even the "Labour" party under starmer is an offshoot of thatcherism
Starmer is a self admitted socialist who helped communist yugoslavia. So i agree thatcher was also a socialist just slightly less so.
>>513950061
>i wish the country was anywhere atleast a quarter as left wing as you think it is
You wish you were in a gulag for thought crimes? You'll probably get your wish soon comrade.

>>513949639
Do you also have Zimbabwe's productive capacity collapse? It's very, very hard to get hyperinflation unless your productive sector simply stops functioning.

In Zimbabwe's case, the "land reforms" where they repossessed White farms wrecked agricultural output, which Zimbabwe relied on to acquire foreign reserves and get the imports it needed.

It's never just printing money.

>>513950072
>You're probably the same kind of retard who complains about all our companies being owned by foreigners
I couldn't give the slightest shit about that, i fucking love rich people, rich people are great, i also love evil evil capitalism, stop taking my tax money.

>>513950153
In that case everything is communism.

>>513949987
They always do. Somalia is your best bet for anarcho cap in action

>>513950234
lmao fuck off commie, she did nothing wrong, all of the UK's current problems can be traced back to New Labour in 1997.

>>513950234
Based, increase taxation to 100%, USSR here we come.

>>513950248
>Starmer is a self admitted socialist
the man is a rat with no ideals other than what will get him ahead. he stands for nothing.
>gulag for thought crimes?
i mean this country is locking people up for protesting isreal, so it's not that much differant than now

>>513950364
What's your bright idea then genius?

>>513950462
the only way to save the UK is scorched earth. A decent Civil War to clear out the bad blood. Winner takes all.

>>513950451
Starmer himself says he's a socialist and helped communists, fuck off commie
>OH WELL WE ALREADY HAVE HALF A GULAG SO LETS JUST BUILD A WHOLE GULAG
Great idea, just really super, idiots like you are what is causing britain to become a burning rubbish dump, communist idiot.

>>513947299 (OP)
That's how I feel about Reagan and the boomers that voted for him.

>>513947299 (OP)
lol no she didn’t

>>513949035
you still get to wait here but it takes a few months instead of a year
and then you get to pay $300+tip even with insurance
need a specialist followup? time to wait another month or two. (expect an even bigger bill btw)
but hey by then you'll maybe have a proper treatment plan and you've probably already hit your out of pocket maximum!

>>513950576
If we go through a civil war just to become a communist dictatorship then that's just stupid, we need freedom.
>>513949487
rich people are the government and they always will be, so how about you stop fighting their battles.

>>513950615
What was the alternative? The whole system is corrupt.

>>513950730
>If we go through a civil war just to become a communist dictatorship then that's just stupid
best not lose then eh?

>>513950730
imagine being so whipped for a class of people who despise you that don't even want to demand anything better from the cunts who are determained to take everything from you.

>>513950382
>all of the UK's current problems can be traced back to New Labour in 1997.

That's a funny argument since Thatcher literally called New Labour her greatest achievement

>>513950945
But taxation isn't taking anything from me? Are you 50 IQ?

>>513951011
lmao, sure pal.

>>513948184
>Screwed over the unions hard
And this is a bad thing because...

>>513951101
SHUT UP AND GO TO GULAG

>>513951075
https://conservativehome.blogs.com/centreright/2008/04/making-history.html

>>513950308
> just sell everything I don't give a shit about my country

yeah we can tell kike

>>513951243
Why should i give my tax money to some corporation just so you can say "BLOODY ELL ITS BRITISH NOW", i don't give any shits about corporations unlike you socialists.

>>513951058
aye sure. but its not just taxes, it's unaffordable rent and housing, it's sky high energy prices it's our extortionate train tickets. everything has been rigged to extract from you and you are getting nothing in return not even a thank you.
>>513951366
so you're genuinly retarded then.

>>513951475
>so you're genuinly retarded then.
No argument there but good adhom commie moron.
>everything has been rigged to extract from you and you are getting nothing in return not even a thank you.
So how about we end the extraction by ending central banking and massively reducing taxation? We can even try your commie nonsense but lets do that too. If you say no you're just bad faith.

>>513951366
>Thatcher privatises energy because state bad
>tonne of stuff sold to French company EDF
>EDF now owns every nuclear power station in the UK
>EDF is owned by the French state

That's right, under Thatcherite logic the British state is incapable of running energy, but the French state somehow is capable. You don't have to be a commie to see that this shit falls apart even under its own terms

>>513951750
Well i don't agree with that, i just use thatcherism to push an agenda of supercapitalism.
I think governments shouldn't be allowed to own corporations in the first place, local or foreign, it's like the mafia taking ownership of your local water supply, i don't care if it's british or nigerian it should be banned.

>>513951659
>No argument there but good adhom
wasn't trying to argue, i genuinely think you are retarded.
>>513951659
>ending central banking
and replace it with what?
>massively reducing taxation
i think people with lower incomes should be taxed less. but not for the rich, and we should close all tax "loopholes".

>>513950666
Didn't your healthcare get semi-publicised with obamacare and stuff like that? Read about the American lodge healthcare system, back when you had very little government you used to recieve very good healthcare with a private lodge system with insurance that costed very little with no government involvement at all. Also doctors used to do a third of their work for free.

>>513947299 (OP)
get ready for round two since you'll be begging the IMF for a bailout soon again under 'labour'

>>513952107
>wasn't trying to argue, i genuinely think you are retarded.
You don't have to tell me you're stupid twice.
>and replace it with what?
Replace it with NOTHING, privatise all banks, completely. I should be able to issue my own money if i want to.
>i think people with lower incomes should be taxed less. but not for the rich
I think all people should be taxes less than 1%.
Taxing the rich always ends in high taxes for the poor.
>and we should close all tax "loopholes".
They're not loopholes they're by design and a product of the tax system, they will always exist as long as you have high taxes for anyone, if you do a little research you'll see this.

>>513951659
Can we at least agree that anyone who earns less than 100,000 pounds a year should pay zero taxes? If we can't agree on that you're just a bad faith actor who doesn't actually give a shit about the poor or anyone at all.

>>513952540
>They're not loopholes they're by design
thats why i put it in quotes.
>>513952540
>Taxing the rich always ends in high taxes for the poor.
sounds like a threat, like we're being held hostage by these cunts.

>>513952107
Can we at least agree that anyone who earns less than 100,000 pounds a year should pay zero taxes? If we can't agree on that you're just a bad faith actor who doesn't actually give a shit about the poor or anyone at all.

>>513947299 (OP)
>Thatcher
She literally "unlocked" the UK for Economic Rent to be omnipresent.
Every single Sector.
(Reagan did the same to the US).

Prior to them, Public Utilities were WORLD CLASS.
1. Electrical Grid
2. Public Transportation
3. Public Infrastructure

These were all offered AT COST (ie non-profit).
Without that "subsidy", we never would have experienced the Industrial and Manufacturing booms of the 20th century.

FREE MARKET means Free from Regulation, in the West at least.

We've been looted, and subverted.

>>513952782
i agree working class people shouldn't be taxed as much, chipping in a wee bit for public services and helping people less fortunate is fine, but zero taxes is insane

>>513952717
>sounds like a threat, like we're being held hostage by these cunts.
You don't get it do you, that's how the system of government always works, big government will always result in big corporations, whether you live in communism, fascism, neoliberalism, whatever, centralization of force in the hands of a few people always results in centralization of money in the hands of a few people, namely the government and it's corporate subsidiaries.
If you don't understand this you've missed the whole thing.

>>513953009
1% taxes on anyone who earns less than £100,000 is my final offer, if you disagree with this you're a bad faith anti worker agent.
It's a travesty that you even want to tax the poor at all.

>>513952814
>Without that "subsidy", we never would have experienced the Industrial and Manufacturing booms of the 20th century.
The industrial revolution itself was accelerated by the rise of capitalism at that time, whether you like it or not. It's not a coincidence that as tax rates rose in europe industry massively declined.

>>513947706
She warned the bongs about socialism but they didn't listen. Now they're completely fucked however they blame her and not themselves. Not a bright people.

>>513948725

I don't agree with much of what the person you're arguing with is saying, but unless you are fairly wealthy most people can't leave their own country - perhaps they could go to some random african nation, but aside from that, most people don't qualify to move to another first world country, and if they did, they would find themselves paying a similar amount of taxes anyway.

>>513953043
that is such a hopeless deafeatist way of looking at things. if you cant hope to make anything better for yourself and your communities you just lock yourself into accepting that these people can get away with it,
>>513953158
don't pretend to care for the working class when you are advocating for a system that crushes them. a small contribution is fine especially if the richer are contributing their fair share

>>513953307
>The industrial revolution itself was accelerated by the rise of capitalism at that time
You completely ignore what I said.
The industrial revolution was *only* made POSSIBLE via the State Subsidy of critical Infrastucture (in aid of business).

Every nation in the West was engaged in it.
This created a low-cost environment for businesses to flourish, as they were not saddled with the costs to transport Workers to and from work and facilitated the movement of large volumes of materials.

>>513947299 (OP)
Would've

>>513947299 (OP)
>>fucked my country up for generations to come

Sorry Pakishit. UK is not your country.

You Have To Go Back

>>513953562
>don't pretend to care for the working class when you are advocating for a system that crushes them. a small contribution is fine especially if the richer are contributing their fair share
So you want to tax the poor, you do not want the best for the poor, like all socialists you want to rob them blind and make them even poorer.
>that is such a hopeless deafeatist way of looking at things. if you cant hope to make anything better for yourself and your communities you just lock yourself into accepting that these people can get away with it,
Lol, i just gave you the solution but you want to say im defeatist because i dont want to rob poor people, robbing poor people is the victory for corporate socialists like you.

The paradise people are begging for is to be found by eliminating as much taxation as possible and ending central banking. Freedom is good and brings culture and prosperity.

>>513953757
One last point, that speaks to your point.
Industrial Capital (at that time) was primarily interested in RECYCLYING or re-investing this "cost savings" (made possible by the public-subsidized roadways, utilities, canals, highways, ports, railroads, brides, tunnels) back INTO their business to fuel growth, and not EXTRACTED by shareholders or management.

>>513953757
>The industrial revolution was *only* made POSSIBLE via the State Subsidy of critical Infrastucture (in aid of business).
No it wasn't you blithering moron, at that time the west was at the height of it's capitalist era. America, one of the power houses of industry didn't even have an income tax, britain was controlled by classical liberals who hated taxation.
This all changed when liberals swallowed the poison pill of socialism.

>>513948776
ah yes the satan cope whenever christians and jews do fucked up gay shit

>>513947706
>monetarism policy
>currency crash
>export crash
>industry collapse
>mass unemployment
>privitization bonanza
>deregulation of finance industry
>later (under her party successors) leading to the wholesale gifting of political power to big finance ie. giving up numerous state levers used to influence the economy
all of which lead to a grand culture of unaccountability, anglos could vote all they like, they just get a different flavor of figureheads while market appointed managers operate most (previously) public services & utilities solely for the benefit of stockholders

>>513953949
ah yes the freedom for the private sector turn us into serfs
>>513953944
im white mate. white brits have hated thatcher for decades.

>>513947299 (OP)
>I understand peoples feelings of being swamped
>that’s why I’m going to turbo charge it and make it happen across Britain at record pace

>>513947799
You vill clap for ze NHS and you bill be happy

>>513954099
>low taxes made it possible
That's ONE component, sure, but NOT the primary driver.

As I said, these Public Subsidies lowered the cost of doing business, in such a dramatic way, that it IN ITSELF, made the Industrial Revolution possible.
PERIOD.

Part 1/2

Canals and Infrastructure Investment (1760–1830)
Canals reduced transport costs for raw materials (e.g., coal, iron) and finished goods, enabling economies of scale in industries like textiles, iron, and pottery.

Coal Industry Support via Tax Exemptions and Infrastructure (1700s–1800s)
Coal was the energy backbone of industrial capitalism, powering steam engines and iron production. Tax exemptions and infrastructure lowered costs, making English coal globally competitive

Municipal Gas Supply (1870s–1940s)
Local governments, particularly in industrial cities like Manchester and Birmingham, took over private gas companies from the 1870s onward, operating them as public utilities. Gas was provided at or near cost to households and industries, with profits often reinvested into municipal services. By the 1940s, gas was nationalised under the Gas Act 1948, further standardising low-cost supply.

Municipal Water Supply (1870s–1950s)
Municipalities acquired private water companies to provide clean water at low cost, driven by public health needs and industrial demand. Major projects, like Birmingham’s Elan Valley reservoirs (1890s–1900s), were publicly funded. Water rates were kept low, effectively subsidising industries and urban populations.

Electricity Supply and Nationalisation (1890s–1950s)
Municipal and later national electricity supply began in the 1890s, with public ownership expanding after the Electricity (Supply) Act 1919 and full nationalisation under the Electricity Act 1947. Electricity was provided at cost or subsidised rates to industries, especially after 1926 grid standardisation.

>>513947299 (OP)
if she got her way all BAME's would've been deported, and her closing the coal mines made sense economically and environmentally
you guys are unironically retarded for hating on her :/

>>513954099
>>513955055

Part 2/2

Railways (Subsidies and Regulation, 1870s–1940s)
Railways, vital for industrial transport, were privately owned but heavily regulated. The Railways Act 1921 consolidated companies and capped fares, effectively subsidising transport costs. During World War I and II, railways were under government control, with losses covered by public funds. Nationalisation (Transport Act 1947) ensured low-cost freight and passenger services.

Tramways and Urban Transport (1870s–1950s)
Municipalities operated tramways (electric from the 1890s) at low fares, often at a loss, to support urban workers. Public investment in tram infrastructure was significant, especially in cities like London and Sheffield.

Road Infrastructure and Subsidised Road Haulage (1900s–1950s)
The state funded road improvements, especially after the Road Fund (1909) and Road Traffic Acts, to support motor transport. During WWII and post-war, road haulage was subsidised or nationalised (Transport Act 1947) to keep costs low.

>>513947299 (OP)
kek how telling that only burger flags defend the traitor bitch in this thread
us republicans still adore her, english nazis always hated her

>>513954423
But the government doesnt turn us into serfs, DURRRRR, ok moron.
>>513955031
Fuck the NHS.

>>513955055
Whatever, you're a devoted socialist, nothing i say could convince your ideologue mind.

>>513951904
Wrong. Only national socialist governments should be allowed to own corporations and libertarians and anti-statists should be morally corrected through years of hard manual labour in agricultural camps and public road construction.

>>513955639
>Whatever
Bad Faith actor revealed.
I presented FACTS, FROM YOUR OWN HISTORY, and you dislike them.

Ague with your forebears, not me.
But the PROOF is in the PUDDING that they made,and that Thatcher destroyed.

>>513955738
I'd rather deport all gulag lovers like you to a desert island.
>>513955841
I gave you my argument that the west was capitalist at that time and you didn't provide a counter argument you just ignored it, what am i supposed to say?

>>513956745
>the west was capitalist at that time
Industrial Capitalism is what I described to you, as my answer.
I also described the Key Elements that made it possible
(Public-Private partnership)

YOU refuse to acknowledge that it was and is a different animal, than the current "espoused" Capitalism.

>>513947706
She is why any British corporation is owned by Pakis or pajeets isn't that based?

>>513956906
>a different animal, than the current "espoused" Capitalism.
Yeah you're right it was a different animal because it was much much more capitalist with far less taxation, it's just a fact you keep ignoring.

free marketers are the worst scum of them all

>>513947299 (OP)
That looks absolutely nothing like Tony Blair

>>513955593
>the government doesnt turn us into serfs
it is, on the behalf of the private sector and rich cunts who've inherited everything and earned nothing in life

>>513957331
>it's just a fact you keep ignoring.
Nope.
I acknowledged the low taxation regime.

YOU, on the other hand, REFUSE to acknowledge that Public Subsidy (ie not-for-profit Public Utilities) were the real magic that made Industrial Capitalism possible.

You're intellectually dishonest and mired in a fantasyland orthodoxy.
>WE DID IT OURSELVES!
No, it was a specific recipe, that you derogatorily refer to as "Socialism".
As I said, that was the very nature of Industrial Revolution Capitalism (and beyond).

Cheers anyway.
May the English Peoples rise again.

>>513958056
>I acknowledged the low taxation regime.
Good, so it was much more capitalist than today.
>YOU, on the other hand, REFUSE to acknowledge that Public Subsidy (ie not-for-profit Public Utilities) were the real magic that made Industrial Capitalism possible.
Capitalism was what made industrial capitalism possible, this is obvious. It existed before the industrial revolution and still generated tremendous wealth.

>>513957822
The government will always be the wealthiest entity in any region, the rich are the state.

>>513957438
Kek worse than soviet communists? You'll be the first in the gulag useful idiot.

>>513954912
>>that’s why I’m going to turbo charge it and make it happen across Britain at record pace
Immigration under Thatcher was low. Same with her successor Major.
It was Blair in 1997 who opened the floodgates.

>>513947299 (OP)
Ok Pajeeta, you don't have to be so shitty to the retarded woman. Her only sin was running for politics with a vagina, which at any other time in history would be a massive mistake, but because of what came after her I would argue she was the last dying gasp of the British people. Now you're brown, irrelevant, stupid, inbred, Muslims or even worse Indians. Gross.

The U.K. chose Labor leftism and Labor leftist decolonization ideology. Everything after was just a logical consequence. You are a rock in the North Sea with zero natural resources and a small population. By giving all of Africa to the U.S. and the Eastern Bloc, you chose this fate.

>>513947706
She essentially deindustrialised the country

>>513947299 (OP)
The UK was a heartbeat away from imploding into nonexistence before her premiereship both economically and socially, what she did was literally making the country bounce back from the dead. Her governing decision afterwards: questionable at least, I’ll give it to you, but without her your country would now be nothing more than a dried up field for skinny sheep to shit on. At least this is what Orban told me. She also visited Budapest in 1984, to tell btfo to fat old commies here politely, bought some paprika in the Great Market Hall, and despite being offered as a gift, she insisted on paying. We kinda like her here.

>>513947299 (OP)
that's not Lizzie Queen of Ashes.

>>513947299 (OP)
Explain to us how or don't post

>>513958056
Also cheers to you, i wasn't trying to be deceptive, that's how i see it. I just don't believe in subsidies overall, especially not for economic purposes.

>>513961778
Even her critics can't deny she did a great thing by helping to destroy communism, unless you are a communist of course.

>>513947299 (OP)
poor widdle uk going cap in hand to imf for a bailout. awwww
labor ded
you gonna get a new thatcher.