Imagine paying billions for shit

>>513958979 (OP)
>Rafale
my sides, there is tranny celebrity with that name

>>513959463
tranny celebrity in pooland

>>513958979 (OP)
>in close range combat

>>513958979 (OP)
>close range combat
in real combat the F35 would clap the Rafale trash with BVR missiles and the rafale cucks wouldnt even know its there.

>>513958979 (OP)
>flying shitbox that fails at long range beats flying shit box that fails at short range

>close-range
The design philosophy of the F-35 intentionally places low importance on dogfighting

>>513958979 (OP)
There's no such thing as close range 'dog fights'. Every air-to-air kill is dozens of miles away.

>>513959674
Yea essentially most contacts happen like 30-50km away is my understanding. Its all dump missiles and leave.

>>513959603
Yes that’s what happened with India and Pakistan a few months ago.
>>513959618
Dogfighting is going to be about as common in air battles as hand to hand combat is in land battles: it will happen, but not that often

>>513959463
Unlike the tranny the rafale is one of the best looking planes alongside russia's flanker.

why would we sell good planes to our enemies lmao

>>513959907
This, the majority of frames in a peer war are going to be downed by AA

>>513958979 (OP)
>a fucking plane
worthless junk from the cold war era

>>513958979 (OP)
The F35 wasn’t really made for this kind of combat. It’s supposed to be used as a weapons platform when you’ve already secured air supremacy. It works as well, obviously, but they were made as to not be redundant with the F22, initially.

>>513958979 (OP)
Yes, I always enjoy having the best swordsmanship in a heat seeking missile duel.

>>513958979 (OP)
What were the restrictions placed on US forces? There is always some retarded rule set that doesn't allow them to use full capability and then these meme stories propogated through retarded journalists and then picked up by dipshits who believe journos are capable of writing an intelligent piece

how much explosives or aerosolized fentanyl can i attach to infinite $50 drones?
interrogative

>>513958979 (OP)
>Exercises
We're not selling fighter jets to you faggots that could beat our own, eat my flares asshole.

Is this board just twitter screenshots and photoshops with no links? Seems very suspicious.

>>513958979 (OP)
Anyone that seriously believes the Rafale is a match for an F-35 knows literally nothing about planes and is just posturing because they hate the USA or are French. No exceptions.

A Chink J-10C and AWACS downed Memefales. BVR combat is far more important than close range.

>>513958979 (OP)
White man's tech stays glorious. DEATH TO MUTTMERICA

>>513960591
The entire board is really just a copezone. For now it's mainly thirdies coping about western countries, but overall it's just people making coping topics about shit they hate to make them feel better.

>>513958979 (OP)
>rafale beats F35
color me surprised a monstrous F16 platform can intercept a slower plane
now lets see a sukhoi actually make it off the airfield

>>513958979 (OP)
B-b-but I thought Dassault was shit

>>513958979 (OP)
That fat fuck tanny mutt fucking "fighter" is about as good as torn condom. Why the fuck did you give up on the F-22 for this short range "stealth" fighter?

Amerimutts in the thread coping HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA. Rafale mogged your piece of hideous trash F35

>>513958979 (OP)
The F-35 can't dogfight, the airframe is shit.
>>513959603
>Enter the GPS guided missile cope force
You're a joke and so is your plane waifu. The first thing you're going to lose in a real conflict is your satellites and communications, rendering the F-35 useless. Everyone knows this. That's why everyone else is building fighters not flying iphones.

>>513959571
>>513959603
>WW2 just called
AMRAAM-D locks onto targets at 160km.

>NATO slaves are badass and cool. Send more money goyim. Be a potential proxy for the US. You are such powerful warriors.

Jesus christ.

>>513960920
Because Obama is a foreign operative, production is coming back though rumor has it

>>513958979 (OP)
You know what they call assault in Paris?

Based la France, omelette du fromage, ouiiiii

>>513960968
>F35
>trash
I mean, even the USAF agrees with you in terms of dogfighting. That's what the F22 is for.
We pitted our special needs child against your pride and joy and you're gloating about your victory? Kek.

>>513960920
Too expensive, and the USAF was mostly being used to bomb third worlders with no air force, which can be done with cheaper frames
>The F-22 isn't an inexpensive plane, and the cost of developing the nascent technology that went into its design was staggeringly high. All told, the U.S. government spent $67.3 billion on the program, according to a report by the Congressional Research Service. Because fewer than 200 were ever produced, each aircraft cost taxpayers $369.5 million. This is the main reason that the F-22 Raptor was ultimately discontinued.
https://www.slashgear.com/1804523/f22-raptor-cost/

>>513961278
>F-22
That was a great piece of engineering but the F-35 just ain't it chief

>>513958979 (OP)
>close range

so kind of a pointless garbage test?

>>513958979 (OP)
the F-35's selling point is that it should never get into close range combat because its suppose to be able to target things 50 miles away from it...

>>513958979 (OP)
Thanks for the link you useless nigger

>>513961352
The F-35 is probably best described as a low intensity conflict jack of all trades, but we don't actually know how bad it really is at dogfighting. So far every plane made in the last forty years has beaten it easily and no ones ever put it up against a zero or mustang yet.

>>513961352
>the F-35 just ain't it chief
It's sure as fuck not a dogfighter. But thstnot what it's for.

The whole purpose if the F35 is to be a single platform you could deploy for various missions to bully technologically inferior targets.
It's built with sand niggers in mind.

>>513958979 (OP)
I hope. The f-35 doesn't even have guns to dog fight with. It has to attach an external gun pod on its bottom to shoot.

>>513961736
>>513961768
>FIGHTER jet
>It's not supposed to be good at dogFIGHTING
Amerinigger cope

>>513961959

>>513961959
I bet it makes a gay noise like 'bweeeeee' too.

>>513958979 (OP)
>dogfights
>in 2025
may as well test each other's swordfighting skills

>>513958979 (OP)
lol, Rafael will never have a chance in a million years to get that close to F-35.
The radar system on Rafael is absolute crap and in real life Rafael will not even see F35 before F35 destroys it with long rage missiles.

>>513961959
>>513962106
LMAO, what the fuck is that garbage

>>513958979 (OP)
>Close range combat
How much better are the French than us at bayonet combat?

>>513961060
>The first thing to happen is a war is something that's never happened in a war
Also AMRAAMs aren't satellite guided

>>513962038
Ackchually the F35 is a "multi-role combat aircraft."

>>513958979 (OP)
Rafaels were destroyed by chinx mediocre jet fighters. F-35 will demolish it at no time

>>513958979 (OP)
>in close combat
retard

>>513962379
>>513962462
Air combat is incomparable. Any mass air engagement will close to dogfighting range. Its not an archaic thing, its an inevitability. Luckily we still have planes for that, that our carriers are stuffed with instead of F-35s, a faggot export plane.

>>513962824
>ESL

>>513960325
>restrictions
being fat and tailored toward lobbing missiles from 50km away. in a dogfight, id put my money on an f-18. F-35 always loses this fight

>>513962546
>No ones ever messed with communications in war
You may be right about memeraams but you're still a fucking retard.

>>513961060
>The first thing you're going to lose in a real conflict is your satellites and communications
unlikely to happen
>rendering the F-35 useless
thats not how that works

>>513961062
Fuck your AAMRAM, Russia has electronics that render it ineffective. Whst do now Hans?

>>513963892
>Russia has electronics that render it ineffective
no they dont

>>513958979 (OP)
This isnt anything new, but try to get into range to dogfight when the F-35 is using stealth at 1000miles,

I remember this - the French pilot bent the airframe doing it, but he did it.

>>513961959
Yes it does, the carrier version does not

>>513962106
>>513962441
>his aircraft isn't equipped with its own "I dont appreciate you" device
Modern warfare is just extreme shitposting

>>513958979 (OP)
We bought 10 billion worth of bullshit

>>513960050
alcoholics anonymous strikes again.

>>513958979 (OP)

Dog fighting and close range air combat has not been relevant for 60 years. This is like complaining that the German horse cavalry is substandard in 1939.

>>513963892
we stick giant fucking fiber spools on our planes for our missiles
>we have 2 160km fiber hard points
kek

>>513958979 (OP)
>dogfighting
>2025
the only thing that matters is either's ability to shoot stand-off missiles and flight to maintenance hour ratio which the rafale is better at as well

>>513961060
>The first thing you're going to lose in a real conflict is your satellites and communications, rendering the F-35 useless
You're fucking retarded.
This you're defending the french as they say an MP-40 is better at close quarters combat than a PSG-1.
The nature of the statement is retarded, and you are a joke.

>>513958979 (OP)
Was the American plane flown by a woman or brown?

>>513959603
Sounds like BVR missiles are good and the F35 is trash. Once drone warfare really kicks in planes are going to stop being a thing anyway. Remember, drones don't care about G-forces :)

>>513958979 (OP)
Dassault is a jew

>>513958979 (OP)
The f-35 is NOT a flagship dogfighter. That's what the the f-22 and f-15 are.

>>513967466
Wow that is some enriched weapon grade cope. Or maybe the f35 are build to not be posible to dodge rockets

>>513966993
KEK Fincucks got cucked? You don't say

>>513968749
The drone's airframe might.

>>513971156
There is absolutely zero possibility that a drone would be more susceptible to G-forces than a human pilot.

>>513958979 (OP)
I'm not a fan of F-35 but the French are cucks.

>>513958979 (OP)
>close-range air combat
lol. lmao. That's like 3 doctrines out of date. The future is BVR combat, and the F35's sensor suite is one of the most advanced.

>>513960036
>>513959618
>>513960193
>>513960706
COLLOSAL cope. Blood pressure check, pronto.

>>513958979 (OP)
Nobody does dog fichting anymore and the US planes and missiles are the best on the planet at BVR

>>513958979 (OP)
>In close range
Yeah, no shit. The F-35 isn't a dogfighter. It's a stand off weapon.
Its role is to spot, lock on and kill targets hundreds of miles away before that target even knows it's there.

>>513958979 (OP)
>dedicated SEAD aircraft that everyone pretends is multirole Vs. Dassault's Omnirole fighter
>dogfighting
Cool, now start beyond visual range and see how it plays out. Or let's see the Rafe do SEAD.
This is tremendous cope from the French.

>>513959603

Pure cope.
GPS jamming means BVR is useless.

>>513960193
That's the opposite of reality. The F-35 is an attack plane meant for SEAD - Suppression of Enemy Air Defense. F-35s are the first in along with cruise missiles. Look at how hard Israel fucked up Iran.

>>513972870
This SEAD cope again?
>before the Vietnam war, we thought that no enemy is able to run an air defense system, because we had HARM - the Vietcong shot down more than 3700 of our planes
>before the Ukraine war, we thought that no enemy is able to run an air defense system, because of the new HARM we supplied - the Ukraine got mauled
>nowadays, we think that no enemy is able to run an air defense system, because of the exact same HARM missiles, but with newer components
65 years of Americans getting lied to by their MIC and counting.

>>513973147
And the F-35 is the one launching and coordinating those missiles. Yes, it's pretty good at what it does. Both AA and SEAD are hard. Deathly hard.
This is like when people claim tanks are outdated for reasons. An armored pillbox on treads with a turret will never be outdated. It just has a tremendously high casualty rate in a hot zone in which tanks or F-35s are the only thing that can even do the job.

>>513971582
and you are a russnigger

>>513958979 (OP)
The rafale is more expensive.
Western tech is overpriced trash.

>>513959463
of course you'd know

>>513958979 (OP)
this is the same shit as "HOLY SHIT EF-2000 BEAT F-22 EUROS BEST, AMERISHIT GO HOME" from a decade ago
then you read how the training was set up and it's:
>F22/F35 has luneberg lens on it so it's a giant fat radar blip
>F22/F35 are g-limited at 5.0 to reduce airframe stress
>either guns only or no high-off-boresight, must lock within 15 degrees of boresight (just pretend AIM-9X doesn't exist)
>Hard floor of 10,000 feet
>hard ceiling of 30,000 feet
>start exercise 1 nm from each other in visual range
>>513972943
>GPS jamming means BVR is useless.
you're retarded
AIM-120 and AIM-260 both use inertial navigation and course correction via link16 until pitbull range
AGM-88's have GPS+INS with passive homing and terminal milimeter wave in the E/F versions
no modern plane or munitions besides the JDAM use pure GPS. Everything else including the JASSM have multiple redundant fallback guidance systems because they operate under the assumption that GPS will be jammed

>>513961736
>So far every plane made in the last forty years has beaten it easily
zero planes have beaten it period
that's like saying that an F-15C beat an F-22 in an exercise once, so "multiple planes have beaten the F-22 easily"
the purpose of these exercises are to give NATO allies a vague idea of what a near-peer threat could do and come as close to dogfighting as possible
there's no point to the exercise if you completely untether the F-35 against a rafale or eurofighter or whatever, because the F-35 will be undetectable 100km out when it launches an AIM-260 on inertial guidance against a radar it detected and scores a kill without ever activating its own radar or even getting vaguely within IRST range. That's not fun, and it's not useful for nato training.

>>513958979 (OP)
The F35 wasn't designed to win fights, it was designed to milk federal contracts

>>513958979 (OP)
Woah I'm so surprised.

>>513975545
TRVKE

>>513975545
We should have just made more f-22s and f-16s with the money

>>513967931
More like 80Km. That's the current limit for single mode fiber. More than that and attenuation is going to eat your signal.

>>513958979 (OP)
What's with all the uppity eurotrannies all of a sudden? What caused this shift?

>>513958979 (OP)
Yeah and who were the pilots? If they were french the F35 will fucking devour the Rafale. France can't engineer shit anymore. What french machinery do you guys own? Nothing. Cause we build their fucking machinery. Absolute joke. Waiting for the picture of a group of niggers they claim designed this

queue americans saying this is irrelevant because 6 trillion usd F35 is literally invisible and pew pew you from another dimension you wont even know whats going on pay 6 trillion now

>>513976023
F-16s actually proved themselves and weren't grossly overpriced. That too was an american jet nato allies HAD to buy but it was a good value air force asset. F35 is just we MUST buy it so we buy it to not anger america.

>>513977091
>France can't engineer shit anymore. What french machinery do you guys own?
Airbus litteraly mogs Boeing all day everyday and it's European made ( France and Germany) you muttnigger cunt. Anything that you can think of throughout human history has been made better and more efficient by European White men. Sometimes it's pointless arguing with you subhuman mutts it's painful

>>513972750
>heh, before the harget even knows it's there
god this again
>its overpriced garbage but its INVISIBLE overpriced garbage
Russia or china do one significant radar update then what? Maybe they already did.

>>513977613
Shut up discount frog, everyone hates your frits.