Thread 513983838

Where does the meme comes from that "Islam is right about women" or "women have no rights in Islam"?

I've just been curious as I always see this as a blanket statement with no context and just thrown around for such a liberal religion that's had true equality for ages.

Surah An-Nisa (4:7): "For men is a share of what the parents and close relatives leave, and for women is a share of what the parents and close relatives leave, be it little or much—an obligatory share."

Surah An-Nisa (4:32): "And do not wish for that by which Allah has made some of you exceed others. For men is a share of what they have earned, and for women is a share of what they have earned."

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:228): "And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness."

If you're going to shill a religion, at least pick up a book on it first.

>>513983838 (OP)
Anon next paycheck instead of blowing it on stupid shit, save up and book a vacation to Jordan and Iraq. Go see what a society that has strict rigid gender roles looks like. It's a utopia. If they had stable governments they'd be a paradise

>>513983838 (OP)
It's on my bucket list to make a hijabi shower, put her stupid head towel back on, and fuck her ass.
Yeah, I know it's unrealistic but I don't care, I hate these weasels and would-be murderers so much that I want to utterly degrade their women.

White Islam would save America

No idea. I couldn't give less of a fuck about Islam. All I know is I don't want Muslims in my country. Simple as.

>>513983975
Iraq is lawless. Jordan is not.
Plus women here are more likely to get PHDs iirc.
Claiming that we have rigid gender roles seems like misframing to me personally, but I guess compared to western societies that could be true.

>>513983838 (OP)
>Progressive religion
>Iran
>Sex outside of marriage forbidden
>age of consent is 13 or YOUNGER with court approval
>once married there is no such thing as being "raped" by your husband you have no legal case the police will laugh at you
>Dancing is illegal and is punishable by up to 2 years and 70 lashes
>Amount of christian denominational churches in saudi arabia: 0
>Allah is the one true god all other religions are blasphemy
>extremely progressive
>Mohamad married aisha when she was 6 and fucked her when she was 9
>Perfect pedo man perfect pedo life
>progressive intensifying
>Allowed music heavily restricted
>Death penalty for leaving religion
>women banned from driving until 2018
>very progressive leading the way
>death penalty for homosexuality
>Restriction of what women wear in public, punishable with jail time
>recent riot in 2022 because woman was killed in custody of morale police
>absolutely progressive

I think youre the one that needs to pick up a book OP, you could also try simply opening your fucking eyes, thats super effective as well

>>513985134
You mixed a bunch of shit together, Shia and Sunni, Iran and Saudi Arabia.
You're gonna say it's all the same but you're just being disingenuous.
99% of what you said doesn't even apply to most Muslim countries, might I remind you most of SEA is Muslim?

>>513983838 (OP)
Islam was always the tolerant religion. In general they allowed Christian’s and loved Jews for most of history. It was only until recently that they became extremist and started persecuting Christians.

Catholics on the other hand were basically ISIS of the Middle Ages. Entire villages would be wiped out if only part of the village practiced something heretical. They used their religion to force convert during the northern crusades. And don’t even get me started with the what they did with the Protestants.

Now the roles are reversed.

>>513985134
Sources like I had? Oh right. You don't read. You just watch second hand garbage on Rumble and Bitchute from a "redpill" thread

>>513985448
>I am faggot op and islam is progressive
>list examples from multiple muslim countrys showing you they are not only not progressive but absolutely barbaric
>Thats just country mix up islam is progressive ok?
>doesnt apply to most muslim countrys
lmao

The statement in question my not so dear faggot is whether or not ISLAM is progressive, not whether or not your shithole country has adopted some semblence of civility which it probably hasnt and the answer is NO Islam is not progressive at all it is insanely retarded to even suggest otherwise.

picrel remember when charlie hebdo posted a depiction of mohammad and the entire arab world chimped out? Remember when in response 20 muslim majority countries closed embassies schools and consulates? Why would they do that if islam is progressive? *hint* its not.

>>513984706
>Plus women here are more likely to get PHDs iirc.
The worthless degrees your people get from shit universities means nothing to us, there is a reason your governments hire our architects and engineers when ever you want to cobble together something other then a sandstone hut

>>513986368
>doesnt apply to most muslim countrys
>countrys
Stopped reading there. Opinion discarded. You're not an actual Leaf, and I think I can guess what you are.

>>513986405
Way to miss the point.
I'm saying that usually women getting education or even higher education than men goes against "rigid" gender roles.
Hope the sperg out made you feel better, though.

>progressive

murdering innocent people because of cartoons is normal

>>513983838 (OP)
Progressive such as inbreeding and child marriage?

>>513986599
I'll respond to this one post out of your pathetic spamming, that's a Jordanian Muslim. A pilot to be exact.
How is it that ISIS represents Islam but whole secular countries in SEA and the levantine don't?
Don't answer that, your reply probably isn't gonna be cohesive anyways but this post is for other onlookers, not you.

>progressive

Its not about the religion ok its a fashion statement ninja robes are in and like its only enforced in maybe 3 or 4 muslims countries its completely normal to live in a bag

>>513984219
White islam would end brown islam.

>>513986878
>how does isis represent islam
>islamic organization
>flag is literally shahada
>not islamic
>allah akbaring at all clack offs

>>513986619
you shitskin sand demons always stop reading because the truth is never in your favor lmao you are shown a mirror and the devil looks back lolroflmao

>>513986878
>secular countries represent Islam
Did you even read your own damn book?

>>513987463
How dare you not be a yes man to the ayyrabs you must be a jew opinion discarded

>>513987229
Thanks for proving you have the reading comprehension of a first grader.
Just cause ISIS claims to be Islamic doesn't mean they REPRESENT Islam.
Similar to how the KKK doesn't represent Christianity though it is Christian.

And my question is why ISIS is considered more of a valid representation than say, Jordan, when Jordan's an actual country.

You are simply nonsensical and sperging out.

>>>513987344
>mirror
Yeah like I said, sperging out. You're not even an actual Canuck ffs, I just know you hate being whatever you are.

>>513987463
Uh yeah?

>>513983838 (OP)
Islam is bullshit. Worst religion on earth, that should be banned in West.

>>513986619
based. He bodied that poo

>>513987747
>"MY RELIGION IS BETTER THAN YOUR RELIGION"

When will you faggots realize they're all trash? At least Muslims aren't cucks to jews

>>513987733
The peaceful minority are irrelevant. When shitskins come to my neighborhood some day and start mag dumping civillians "moderate" muslims are not going to defend me.

Moderate islam is the grass that hides the snake, you are still a danger.

Jesus Christ is the perfect Word of God. The Koran says this too, therefore I highly suggest reading the Bible and Gospels to see the Word of God and the miracles performed by Jesus Christ.

>>513987733
Then how come secular countries represent Islam?

Do you know how retarded I would sound if I said that a secular country like Canada represents Christianity?

>>513985448
>You're gonna say it's all the same
It's all the same. Once Muslims control more than 30% of a country it's a lost cause. ISIS is the "pure" Muslims. Jordanians are the unfaithful Muslins. Still not worth saving.
>>513985476
>Islam was always the tolerant religion.
Only in the context that Muslims wouldn't immediately execute you. You would be taxed out of existence and forced to work one of a few jobs. Randomly there were executions to keep you in your place. Only recently have some Muslims shown mercy. That will last until another ISIS movement begins and starts executions.

>>513987733
>Iran doesnt represent islam
>Saudi arabia doesnt represent islam
>Isis doesnt represent islam
>mohammad pedophile fag the leader of islam doesnt represent islam
>Islamic terrorists mag dumping civilians for insulting a cartoon doesnt represent islam
>afghanistan doesnt represent islam

WHO THE FUCK REPRESENTS ISLAM

>>513985476
Imagine being so retarded in history.
Catholics defended holy land against horrible savages that used to kill piligrims in the name of a fake religion copied in part from medieval rabbinic books and in part from heretic christian books (read the true story of koran).
Protestant were the traitors that stabbed in the back Catholics that defended whole Europe from islamic invasions.

>>513984706
Your country steals oil from Iraq, pay up Hashimi oil thief!

>>513983838 (OP)
Islam is a hate religion founded on war and submission, it's not "progressive" or "conservative" on a western point of view, it's simply hate and distruction.

>>513986619
Based.

>>513987968
>peaceful minority
>minority
You just have to be legitimately stupid.
There are like 2 Billion Muslims on earth, and you're saying at least 1 Billion of them are non-peaceful? Seriously?
I admit there's very much a Muslim refugee problem in the west but that's more so exclusive to refugees, for the most part.
UK Muslims are an entirely different breed compared to the Muslims here for example.

>>513988004
Well, secular Muslim countries and secular Christian countries are different, especially in the west.
Canada almost completely abandoned the religion, and so did the people. In Jordan it's not quite the same.

>>513988252
Lost cause? How so?

>>513988383
You take a look at Muslim countries and the ones who have similar views and laws represent the majority, so they represent Islam.
Malaysia, Indonesia, Jordan, etc...
The destabilised ones don't count. Iraq is lawless, Syria is run by a literal Al Qaeda terrorist installed by the US and Israel and Lebanon is half Christian so it doesn't count as well.

>>513988692
My Mom was telling me about how he literally made oil free for us but our scammy grubby government still made us pay for it.
He was a sociopath doe

>>513989038
muslims are like blacks you have to threaten them with amputation for them to act correct

>>513989211
some say sociopath, others say "built different", allah yerhamo abu uday

>>513989038
I meant to say muslim majority, the majority is irrelevant, I mistyped. When 30% of the population is extremist, it doesnt matter if 70% of the population is a bunch of "normies" as you suggest because the normies wont be in charge, extremists will be, the normies arent gonna do shit when they come allah akbarring.

I must be a lying jew/jeet though so dont take my word for it, listen to this lebanese woman explain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z_RAbOJcu0

>>513989038
Yeah, I agree with you to some extent, but secularism doesn't really represent any religion. Secularism is the principle of conducting human affairs based on naturalistic considerations, uninvolved with religion.

I wouldn't really say that countries represent religions. But the ideas and the teachings of the religion can represent the religion.

I don't think ISIS represents Islam, just like the KKK represents Christianity.

>>513986703
If you wanna use that logic whites are all pedophiles

>>513987733
ISIS is as muslim as the closeted homosexual arabs in the gulf. They take their teachings directly from the profit pbuh and even follow the same Islamic school as you gulf mudslimes, just practice it more strictly, so don't try to sell me the leftist bullshit of "REAL ISLAM SAAR" here.

>>513990027
This is just derailing into some bullshit pointless argument, the topic in question was is ISLAM progressive?

Mohammad was a pedophile who fucked 9 year olds, is fucking 9 year olds considered progressive? No.

Because of the standard set by the illiterate warlord pedophile mohammad islamic countries like iran have adopted similar "if theres grass on the field play ball" mentality.

Lets just start and end there, no its not progressive its pure evil and disgusting

>>513983838 (OP)
Islam gave women "human rights" over 1000 years before the "progressive" West.

>>513990531

Is fucking children considered progressive?

>>513990531
"human rights" of getting raped at 9 by a bearded animal. Progressive really

>>513989327
*stares*

>>513989454
Allah yerhamna jameean...

>>513989470
That's quite the mistype there.
Ehm, this is gonna be long.
Al Qaeda only managed to emerge due to the Afghan-Soviet war, and was assisted by the CIA of course.
Similarly, US bombing Iraq facilitated the conditions for an extremist terrorist group to emerge.

What I'm saying is that these groups only come about because of destabilisation caused by war or foreign invaders.
If you just leave Muslim countries alone, that wouldn't happen.

I mean, I've personally never heard of a South East Asian Islamic terrorist group for example. There have been a couple probably but they were never able to rise to prominence or gain power, why? They get squashed CAUSE THE COUNTRY WASN'T GETTING GLASSED. And the military is actually intact.

>>513983838 (OP)
i will progress my dick into her ass

>>513990799
Now you want to have some bullshit conversation about how AQs existence is the CIAs fault, ISIS is americas fault, and you go on to piss and moan about more bullshit.
None of that fucking matters ahmed.
is Islam progressive, yes or no.
The answer is no.

>>513990383
>"REAL ISLAM SAAR"
Not the saar projection lolll
Anyways Saudis are Wahhabists so no we do not follow the same school of thought and the Prophet never killed a soul.

>>513990938
>ignores my reply after having to resort to linking a video of a woman to make a point for him
So. You know you have no response, huh? You're stumped. I get it.

And btw, yes Islam is a progressive religion BUT only when it comes to women's rights.
Progressive is a term that has been dragged through the mud by libs and no one can actually pass all the purity tests to be allowed to classify as a progressive.

>>513991233
In conclusion islam is not a progressive religion, it mohammad the illiterate pedophile perfect man fucks 9 year olds, the penalty for leaving the faith is death, the penalty for homosexuality is death thats it thats all cut and dry have a nice day

>>513991233
>the profit never killed a soul
Right, he rather just ordered the genocide of idol worshippers in the peninsula, beheaded apostates, and paved the way for his cult successors to attack their neighbours like rabid dogs.

>we do not follow the same school of thought
You both follow hanbalism. That clusters you together closer than you think.

>>513991842
Oh you're so silly. He didn't "order a genocide", he sought to convert them. I mean they were burying baby girl infants for God's sake.
Terrible over simplification on your part, study history some more.

>You both follow hanbalism.
Uh we follow Shafii. Again. Study moar
Though honestly the people here don't really think of that a lot. They just classify themselves as Sunni and that's that.

>>513991403
In conclusion the Hadiths are not infallible like the Quran and Aisha was actually 16-28 when you cite her sister's age and do the math, the Quran explicitly states "to you your religion, to me mine", the penalty for fornication in all it's forms is death though that's a last resort really and Islam is progressive if you used the term's meaning from a 100 years ago.

Have a nice day too!

>>513990464
>>513991233
I feel like both of you guys are wrong.

There's nothing progressive with religions such as Christianity and Islam. Those are more traditional than progressive. "Progressivism" is more associated with atheism and what not.

>Islam is a progressive religion BUT only when it comes to women's rights.
How so?