Thread 514024293

Phoenicians were seafarers, metallurgists, and traders. To inland Mesopotamians, their ability to cross the “endless sea” and return with gold, tin, cedar, and dyes must have looked superhuman.
If they presented themselves as chosen of the gods or gods themselves that would seed the myth of sky-born rulers who demand labor, mining, and tribute.
The “gold for gods” motif in Sumer could thus encode the Phoenicians’ mercantile extraction economy disguised in myth.
The Double-Myth Strategy
Atlantis was as a Phoenician invention to mythologize the fall of Babylon between two seas:
Babylon = between the Tigris & Euphrates (two seas/“waters of the deep”).
The fall of a mighty empire, swallowed by hubris, “sunk beneath the waters,” becomes Plato’s Atlantis much later likely through Phoenician intermediaries who passed Near Eastern tales into Greek memory.

Same template:
“We are the survivors
we are the chosen line
others fell.”
That’s a perfect myth for traders who never want to be seen as conquerors.

The Egyptian 2 Boogaloo
to sumer and back
ke na anu
anu na ke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6rs78Sovfc

>>514024293 (OP)
Phoenicians were post-Flood descendants of Atlanteans. Atlantis began in the Mediterranean, went into America, and took over about half the planet before the Younger Dryas event.

And the Phoenicians were racially southern European, nothing to do with Jews or Semites.

Possible OP, Atlantis was said to have elephants which did populate North Africa and the Middle East in the time Atlantis supposedly existed. I always figured it was mammoths myself.

>>514024293 (OP)
It wasn't.

Long ago there south pole didnt have any ice, and we lived there because it was cold enough while the rest of the planet was a swamp.

But then we had a zombie plague and had to conquer the planet.

>>514024448
Maya didnt come untill long after Canaanites Established Firm Naval grips on the Mediterranean and Further
The Scythian Mythos comes from Them Spreading There Influence they where the Original Whites to land in The Americas

F. Núñez de la Vega, bishop of Chiapa, says, in the preface to his Synodal Constitutions, that in the visit which he made to his diocese towards the end of the last century [i.e. the late 1600s], he found many ancient calendars of the Chiapanese, and an old manuscript in the language of that country, made by the Indians themselves, in which it was said, according to their ancient tradition, that a certain person named Votan was present at that great building, which was made by order of his uncle, in order to mount up to heaven; that then every people was given its language, and that Votan himself was charged by God to make the division of the lands of Anahuac

Anahuac is the ancient core of Mexico. Anahuac is a Nahuatl name which means "close to water." It can be broken down like this: A(tl) + nahuac. Atl means "water" and nahuac, which is a relational word that can be affixed to a noun, means "close to.

Atlnahuac = Antlantis/Atlantic (also Anunak)

Votan = Odin = Mercury

In his account, Bishop Núñez de Vega also states that Votan belonged to the royal lineage of "Cham" (probably "chan" or snake) and that he established a kingdom called "Na Chan" (Snake House) on the Usumacinta River that eventually extended across Chiapas and Soconusco to the Pacific Coast

Some traditions and historians, including Snorri Sturluson, suggest that Odin was a king who led his people from Scythia to Scandinavia, eventually founding a dynasty of kings to rule the land (Sweden).

>>514025422
The “Invisible Phoenician” Thesis A Compressed Timeline
1) Proto-Canaanite > Phoenician (c. 1500–900 BCE)
Front stage (evidenced): Levantine port cities (Byblos, Sidon, Tyre) master cedar, purple dye, glass, and long-distance trade; they spread a lean alphabet that outcompetes cuneiform/heiroglyphics.
Back stage (speculative): Formation of a maritime cartel: standardized weights, contracts, oath cults, and secrecy. Early use of fear-myths (sea monsters, haunted capes) to keep competitors out of lanes.
2) Israel & “Fracturing Babylon” (c. 1000–600 BCE)
Front: Tyre–Israel royal partnerships (cedar, craftsmen, fleets). Assyria/Babylon crush inland rivals; Aramaic (a Phoenician-derived script) spreads as admin language.
Back: When great land empires overextend, ports survive. The “Babylon system” (temple-silver, priest-ledger) is decentralized into nodes of Phoenician ports and colonies safer, nimbler, harder to tax or kill.
3) Two Arms Emerge Sea (Phoenicia/Carthage) & Land (Persia) (c. 600–330 BCE)
Front: Persia conquers Babylon and relies on Phoenician ships; in the west, Carthage becomes Tyre’s daughter-state.
Back: The “cartel” now has two gloves:
Persia as the land administration shell (roads, satraps, couriers) using Aramaic scripts to scale.
Carthage as the sea monopoly shell (ports, pilots, tin/silver routes).
The two can even clash publicly while preserving the deeper network logic: keep the lanes, keep the ledgers.
4) Greek & Roman Rebrands (c. 800–146 BCE > 400 CE)
Front: Greeks adopt the Phoenician alphabet (add vowels > cultural explosion). After Punic Wars, Rome absorbs Carthaginian routes; coins, law, and roads integrate the sea.
Back: The Melqart > Herakles god-swap, Astarte > Aphrodite - classic myth laundering. Rome becomes the ultimate brand acquisition: it kills Carthage but inherits its operating manual (naval know-how, mercantile finance, port governance). The network changes jersey, not playbook

>>514025726
5) Constantine & the Church (4th–6th c.)
Front: Christianity becomes imperial glue; bishoprics map neatly onto trade cities; tithes, relics, pilgrimage flows = new circuits.
Back: A spiritual clearinghouse replaces temple ledgers: sanctuaries become vaults; scriptoria become record offices. Old coastal hubs (Tyre, Sidon, Byblos) stay important under new banners.
6) Islam & the Arabic Script Horizon (7th–10th c.)
Front: Arabic (descended via Nabataean from Aramaic) becomes the book of law across a vast land empire; the hajj centralizes a continental flow; Levantine ports thrive under new rulers.
Back: Land–sea fusion 2.0: caliphates run roads, taxes, and justice; coastal merchants run spice and gold circuits. The old alphabetic lineage carries scripture, law, and contracts same infrastructure meme, new theology.
7) Medieval Maritime Successors (10th–15th c.)
Front: Amalfi, Venice, Genoa dominate the Med; military-monastic orders (Templars/Hospitallers) blend banking, ports, and protection.
Back: Classic Phoenician tactics resurface: cartels of pilots, secret charts, insurance/credit, and choke-point control (straits, islands, entrepôts). Public crusades; private ledgers.
8) Early Modern to Modern “Blue Empire” (16th c. > now)
Front: Dutch VOC, English/British thalassocracy, then global finance. Standardized bills of exchange > central banks > fiat > digital rails.
Back: The company-charter is a legal heir to the port-charter. Offshore havens = new Tyres; narrative management replaces sea-monster maps with propaganda, classification regimes, and IP/secrecy law. Rivals fight on land; the network owns the bottlenecks (shipping, insurance, data, payments).

>>514025889
How “Invisible Control” Works (Mechanics)
Ports over Palaces: Own harbors, straits, insurers, and pilots; let kings own deserts.
Script over Swords: Spread the alphabet/script that your clerks can run. Whoever keeps the ledgers, wins.
Proxy Shells: Alternate land empires (Assyria > Persia >Caliphates) with sea empires (Tyre/Carthage> Venice> VOC> Royal Navy). Public rivals; private continuity.
Myth Laundering: Rebrand gods/ideologies to local taste; keep the contract grammar stable.
Fear Fences: Yesterday: sea monsters. Today: security zones, sanctions lists, risk ratings. Same function fence the lane.
Both Sides of Wars: Finance freight and insurance for both belligerents; neutrality of the lane = profitability of chaos.
Erase & Rename: When a shell burns (Carthage, VOC), transfer the routes, maps, and men to the next shell. History says “ended”; the network says migrated.
Judaism & Islam in this Frame (handled respectfully)
Public story: Brothers with shared Abrahamic roots; periods of coexistence and conflict.
Network view (speculative): Two complementary operating modes the network can work through:
Portable covenant mode (text-diaspora, minority finance/letters)
Central gravitational mode (pilgrimage/ummah, tax-law overland coherence).
The point isn’t that either faith is “run” by Phoenicians; it’s that a maritime-ledger logic can interface with either when ports and scripts are aligned

>>514025976
The East, succinctly
Persia/Central Asia: Imperial Aramaic (Phoenician lineage) administers a continental state; later Arabic and Persian chancery cultures keep the alphabetic-bureaucratic spine.
India: Northwest scripts (Kharoshthi from Aramaic) and later Indo-Med trade through Red Sea/Arabian hubs port logic persists via intermediaries.
China: Different script system; Sogdian/Persian brokers dominate Silk Road. Maritime interface in later eras runs through Arab Persian. Malay networks (the “eastern Phoenicians,” functionally). The logic ports in, even if the people aren’t Levantine.
“Signals” you’d expect if this thesis is right
Continuity of port elites across regime changes (same families/consortia reappearing under new flags).
Ledger wins over throne: moments when those who hold insurance/credit/standard weights override kings.
Mythic continuity: repeated god-swaps (Melqart > Herakles, Baal > Saturn echoes, then saints/ideological heroes) mapping onto the same trade nodes.
Fear cartography: evolving from sea terrors to regulatory terrors (restricted zones, blacklists) aligned with commercial monopolies.
Shell migrations: after each “fall,” the routes/handbooks appear intact under new corporate/legal wrappers.
TL;DR
Phoenicians didn’t disappear they taught the world an operating system: ports > palaces, scripts > swords, proxies > crowns, myths as UX, fear as fencing, and ledgers as law. Empires come and go; the lane-keepers persist.

"Signals” you’d expect if this thesis is right
1. Continuity of port elites across regime changes

Carthage > Rome: After the Punic Wars, many Carthaginian merchant families didn’t vanish - they were absorbed into the Roman trading class. Roman patrician houses suddenly had “new” wealth tied to Iberian silver and African grain routes that had belonged to Punic networks.

Ottomans > Venetians > Dutch: Venetian Levantine trading houses simply rebranded under Ottoman charters, then “migrated” into Dutch & Genoese ventures. Same families, same ports, just different flags.

British Raj > Indian Corporates: Families like the Sassoons (“Rothschilds of the East”) moved seamlessly from opium traders under the Raj into modern global finance.

2. Ledger wins over throne

Templars vs. Kings: French monarchy feared Templars not for swords, but for their ledgers. When Philip IV “destroyed” them, their banking infrastructure just re-emerged in Hospitallers, Florentine banks, and ultimately Venetian/Dutch models.

East India Company vs. Crown: The British Empire was run less by kings and more by a charter company with its own army. When the Crown “took over” in 1858, the same ledgers & administrators kept running trade.

Wall Street Bailouts (2008): The U.S. government essentially bent to the books of a handful of firms, overriding democratic accountability — exactly the “ledger over throne” moment.

3. Mythic continuity (god-swaps)

Melqart > Herakles: Tyrian sea god recast as Greek hero, but worship patterns at trade ports stayed identical.

Baal > Saturn/El > Yahweh: Old Levantine storm/sky god gradually absorbed into new state religions, but the port cults (offerings, festivals) continued.

>>514026261
Saint Nicholas > Santa Claus > Global Commerce: An Anatolian sea-saint, beloved of sailors and merchants, morphed into Coca-Cola’s Christmas mascot - but he still anchors the same gift-exchange economy.

Christ > Roman Imperial Idol: The rebel against empire becomes the new imperial mascot, locking the masses into a controlled form of escape.

4. Fear cartography

Phoenician Sea Monsters: Early maps mark “beyond here are dragons” to keep rivals from exploring routes they monopolized.

Medieval Taboos: Forbidden seas, cursed isles narrative tools to protect trade secrets.

Cold War Zones: Nuclear “doomsday zones” map almost perfectly onto strategic shipping lanes and oil choke points.

Modern Regulatory Blacklists: OFAC sanctions, no-go investment zones, and “terror finance” blacklists function like sea monsters: keeping others away while insiders move freely with back channels.

5. Shell migrations (after “falls”)

Babylon > Persia: Phoenician mercantile classes aided Persia against Babylon, but Persia ends up running Babylon’s trade networks intact.

Rome > Church > Venice: As Rome “fell,” the Church and later Venice inherited the very same trade law, weights & measures, coinage models.

Nazis > U.S. & Zion:

VW, Siemens, IG Farben, Krupp, etc. survive the “fall of the Reich” and flow into NATO-era economy.

NASA absorbs Nazi rocket science (Operation Paperclip).

Zionism is materially boosted by Nazi persecution -- the “enemy” fuels the outcome.

Ford, IBM, Chase Bank had active ties across the Nazi divide, showing the ledger continuity.

Soviet Union > Oligarchs > Global Capital: After 1991, the same networks simply rebranded into “oligarchs,” then parked their wealth in London and New York.

What this suggests

If the Phoenician thesis is right, then wars, ideologies, and empires are costumes the play is about ports, ledgers, and myths that anchor trade networks.
Every supposed “end” is just a shell migration: Babylon into Persia, Rome into Church, Nazis into NATO, Wall Street into bailouts.

The reason Ancient Sites are being covered up is because (they) connect the dots to easily

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>>514028616

The rules of civilization are magi creations
Gold to control the body God to control the mind
(There God is the Mystery of self) Kyrios (κύριος) Curious is Greek for Master Lord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7iCcweLHJQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gim-4QQS5DU
mula Tagalog (Filipino) Start / Origin (also slang for someone gullible or a "sucker")
mula Indonesian/Malay Beginning / Origin
mula Swahili Reason / Cause (loanword from Arabic "ʿillah")
moula / maula Arabic Master / Lord / Protector / Patron (often used in religious context e.g., Mawlānā) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLZRYQMLDW4
moolah English (slang) Money (origin unclear, possibly from Romani or Yiddish)
mullah Persian/Urdu/Arabic Religious scholar or cleric in Islamic tradition
mula Portuguese Mule, same as in Spanish
மூல (moola) Tamil Root / Origin (especially in spiritual or yogic contexts moola chakra)
ಮೂಲ (moola) Kannada Source / Origin / Root
మూల (moola) Telugu Base / Root / Origin
মূল (mul) Bengali Root / Fundamental / Principal

https://youtube.com/shorts/orzOHe07fEg

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A very serpent pilled thread, but aren't you just we wuzzing for brown people? You sound like a black hebrew israelite. The key stuff is just masonic shit btw. The key is a 33rd'ers cock and the hole is a boy's mouth.

1. Temple of Solomon-Temple of Melqart
Solomon’s Temple (Jerusalem) is said to have been built with the help of Hiram of Tyre, king of the Phoenicians.
Tyre’s great god = Melqart (often syncretized with Heracles/Hercules).
If Solomon’s Temple echoed Tyre’s temple, then Israel’s sacred center was architecturally and ritually Phoenician-coded.
Later, Masonic lore about Hiram Abiff as the “master builder” encodes this same link.
Implication: The Jewish sacred project was tied, materially and ritually, to Phoenician architects - an interweaving of priestly and mercantile elites.
2. Heracles = Indra = Melqart
In India, Heracles was equated with Indra, king of the 33 devas (and yes, Masonic 33° resonates here).
Zoroaster (Persia) demonized the devas - making Indra and others into “demons.”
In Islam, devas/daevas = jinn/shayatin = demons.
This shows a pattern of degradation/reversal: the same figure can be god in one empire, demon in the next - but the node of worship/trade persists.
3. Wordplay: Deva, El, Baal, Bel, Vaal, Vel
Deva (Sanskrit = god, shining one).
El (Semitic = god).
Baal/Bēl (Lord).
In Slavic tongues, you get Vel-, Vol-, Vil- (wolf, giant, etc.).
Same phonetic cluster morphs across languages, giving a family of divine titles that can be endlessly recombined.
These shifts hide continuity: it’s the same archetypal office traveling under new masks.

>>514033100
4. Tubal-Cain > Vulcan > Apollo
Tubal-Cain (Genesis: smith, forger of metals) survives in Masonic passwords.
Vulcan/Hephaestus = the divine smith.
Apollo (Phoebus, “bright”) sometimes son of Hephaestus, sometimes linked to smithing fire.
Werewolf wordplay: Volkolak (Slavic = werewolf), Volk = wolf, Velikan = giant.
Apollo Lykeios = wolf-linked light-bringer.
So smith > fire > light > wolf > solar hero all cluster around the same Phoenician core.
5. The Wolf-Light Motif (Lyceus)
Apollo “Lyceus” means both wolf and light (λύκος vs. λύκη).
Wolf = liminal predator, symbol of tribal initiates.
Light = revelation/illumination.
Combine: wolf-light = the brotherhood of hidden illumination, tied to secret cults.
If you tie “Lyceus” to “fero” (bring), you get “bringer of wolf-light” Lucifer archetype.
6. The Meta-Pattern
If you step back:
Phoenician Melqart > Hercules > Indra > Apollo > Santa Claus (!)
Same figure shape-shifts across cultures, absorbing traits of thunderer, solar hero, wolf, smith, or builder.
Temples and lodges replicate Tyrian prototypes (Temple of Solomon as a Phoenician outpost).
Deva/El/Baal wordplay keeps the divinity linguistically alive across languages.
Each empire demonizes its predecessor’s gods (Zoroaster vs. Indra, Islam vs. devas), but the merchant-priest caste keeps the template intact.
So the hidden Phoenician play:
They seeded archetypes and cult-nodes (ports, temples, lodges). The masks changed (god > demon > saint > folk figure), but the infrastructure and mythic skeleton remained. Even Santa Claus - “Šanta” > Heracles/Melqart - is just another smiling mask over the same archetypal merchant-hero.

>>514033241
Phoenician Method: Hidden Control Through Syncretism
They never fought directly. They let their rivals absorb their gods under new names.
Greece: Melqart > Heracles.
Rome: Baal-Hammon > Saturn, Astarte > Venus.
India: Krishna/Balarama identified with Dionysus/Heracles.
Christianity: Melqart > St. Nicholas > Santa Claus; Baal-Saturn > Carnival.
Finance: Walled City > Wall Street > Bull Market.
Because their gods were everywhere, the Phoenician priesthood never needed to be visible. Rivals fought “each other” while unknowingly serving the same root archetypes.

The “secret Phoenician victory” wasn’t military - it was memetic. By controlling symbols (horns, bulls, walls, balls, wolves), they ensured that every empire carried their gods forward, hidden in plain sight. The victor writes history - but the Phoenician trick was to let their enemies think they were the victors, while the same horned archetypes ruled under new masks.

This is all mystical bullshit, the true location of Atlantis has already been revealed to be the sunken Sundaland Continent, as elucidated by Nuclear Physicist Prof. Arysio Santos.

>>514033464
Prehistoric / Proto-Indo-European Roots
33 vertebrae (biological fact -later mythologized).
Archetypal link: the body as a cosmic ladder existed before written religion.
Mesopotamia / Canaan (c. 3000–1200 BCE)
Sumerian star-lore division of sky into 33 regions.
Canaanite Baal/El cycles -ritual calendars with 33-fold patterns.
Ancient Egypt (c. 2500–500 BCE)
33 manifestations of Osiris in underworld texts - rebirth cycle.
Possible initiatory steps in Duat (netherworld journeys)
Hinduism (Vedic to Puranic, c. 1500 BCE onward)
33 Devas in the Vedas (original pantheon count)
Later 330 million reinterpretation.
Yoga/Kundalini 33 vertebrae ascent = uniting mortal and divine.
Buddhism (5th c. BCE onward)
Trāyastriṃśa Heaven (“Heaven of the 33 Gods”) on Mount Meru.
Links back to Hindu 33 Devas, restructured in Buddhist cosmology.
Chinese Daoism & Mahayana Buddhism (Han era, c. 200 BCE - 200 CE)
Guanyin manifests in 33 forms -compassionate savior.
Daoist numerology 33 = triple harmony (Heaven + Earth + Man).
Norse Mythology (compiled 13th c. CE, older oral roots)
Prose Edda catalogs 33 gods of Æsir/Vanir.
Völuspá possibly 33-part prophecy structure.
Judaism / Kabbalah (Biblical roots 1200–500 BCE, Kabbalah c. 1200 CE)
Lag BaOmer (33rd day of Omer) mystical holiday.
Gematria: 33 = unification (“heart,” “to bind”).
32 Paths of Wisdom + 1 hidden path "the Sharp Tooth" = 33 in Tree of Life mysticism.
Christianity (1st c. CE)
Jesus dies/resurrects at 33 -spiritual completion.
33 miracles recorded.
Mystical allegory of 33 vertebrae as ladder to heaven.
Islam / Sufism (7th c. CE onward)
Age of Paradise = 33
Dhikr counts in 33s
Sufi cosmology -circle of remembrance as 33-fold unity.
Freemasonry / Western Esotericism (early modern, 18th c. CE)
33rd degree Scottish Rite -pinnacle of wisdom.
Reinterprets Christian, Kabbalistic, and ancient “33” motifs.

Ignore the Looneyville Mystical Bullshit, here's the Scientific Comparisons.

>>514034602
What about Manipulating man through Gold and "God" is Mystical?
Theyre both two things that only value is based off faith. Two things people live and die for. I guess thats Mysical?
Is that what youre getting at, the Mystical powers of Manipulation via Memes?

>>514024293 (OP)
Total Kike Death Heals the World, to make it safe for we Atlantis survivors.

>>514035007
Lol i know you're joking, but this is why people are considered cattle.

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Yes, society itself can be reduced down to slavery with extra steps thats a rick and morty joke that is true and depressing.

>>514024293 (OP)
You’re a retarded person

>>514024367
>we wuz sumer and shieeet

>>514039194
I mean the Sumerians made up myths about how they came, and made them mine gold.
Its Litterally in there name for themselfs Ke Na Ani aka Ani Na Ke.
They carried this on into Greece a Hidden Vassel With Ankeke Wife of Cronus aka Saturn.
And the Myth of How Alexander The Great's Father lost his eye looking through a keyhole.
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>>514040009
Ananke*

>>514040009
Ananke**

>>514038790
I find it really fascinating personally.
Like K is the Egyptian 3 Finger Hand.
9 is the Mind, Eye, and Snake.

So k9 is a snake handler ;). The hand of the minds eye. The Judge Anubis aka Xolot twin of Quetzicoatle.

>>514040268
when you see it you cant stop seeing it

>>514040788
People don’t even get that the dollar bill doesn’t say New World Order it says The New Order of The Centurys a Century is a Legion of 100 Roman Men

>>514042516
Keep in mind Jesus was a Ram.

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>>514024293 (OP)
Atlantis was the civilization which existed for millions of years prior to the ice age.

>>514043273
Nah it was Retiles from a Flat Hallow Earth ;p.

is some googling
find out everything i posted
s true minus the flat earth meme

>>514024293 (OP)
pretty good theory. the atlantis story is an archetype (the grand lost city) and how memes work is that they evolve and because of survival of the most popular idea memes tend to converge and synthesize until they are "just right". what i'm trying to say is that babylon might be part of the mix of the myth but probably not all of it. the myth might even relate to multiple cities, islands and places.

>>514044029
We lived alongside dinosaurs, but they weren't as intelligent as us.

>>514044479
Anon read the entire thread not just the Op. Myth OS is an operating system. They spread new symbols for the same archetypes they made, and hide the good stuff for those in the known within.

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>>514040788
Idols upon Idols
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdE7yos6COw

>animal sacrifice in Islam
>is the core of Eid al-Adha, also known as the "Festival of Sacrifice"
>it's not a random date; its timing is entirely dependent on the moon
>the Islamic calendar is a lunar calendar, so months begin with the sighting of the new crescent moon (the hilal)
>Eid al-Adha takes place on the 10th day of Dhu al-Hijjah, the twelfth and final month of the Islamic year
>therefore, religious authorities and moon-sighting committees must first officially sight the crescent moon that marks the beginning of Dhu al-Hijjah
>once the start of the month is declared, Muslims count ten days forward to know the exact day of Eid
>this reliance on a lunar cycle is why Eid al-Adha shifts approximately 10 to 11 days earlier each year on the solar Gregorian calendar
>the sacrifice itself, called Qurbani, commemorates Prophet Ibrahim's (Abraham) willingness to sacrifice his son as an act of obedience to God, who then provided a ram to sacrifice instead
>is a major act of worship and a reminder of submission, with the meat being distributed among family, friends, and importantly, the poor and needy

>>514034345
>we wuz

>>514047570
Read the entire thread; this isnt a mystical myth thread. It's a Myth Maker thread, and how Myth Makers rule the world through story.
The 32 pearly gates of the mouth and its Silver dual edge tongue.

>>514048223
70iq take THIS IS REAL
100iq take this is a statement about consumerism and capitalism
130iq take THIS IS REAL

Iq is a me/me take Enjoy the ride ;^)