Thread 514104024

>If God is real and good, then why does evil exist?
First of all, do you believe that good and evil exists?
>No, good and evil are but perspectives as morality is ultimately subjective.
Then why propose evil as proof against the existence of God when you yourself do not believe evil exists? If evil is a perspective, then God's world is truly without evil. Isn't that proof of a good God as you understand it?
>Well you believe that evil definitively exists and that God is definitively Good.
Well evil cannot be proof against God from your worldview. But we can agree one the following premise:
>Good and Evil do not exist in in creation/nature beyond Man. Order is the law of Nature and it is not Evil. In fact, it is Good. Man can, however, disturb this Order in his defiance of God.
Man is special. He is unique among creation as having the capacity to choose between Good and Evil, God and himself.
>Man isn't unique. Man is no more special than the beasts.
Yet here you are arguing that evil does exist. How can evil exist if it's just nature?

I wager it is that you intuitively know that Good and Evil exists. Everyone, for whatever reason, intuitively knows this. Why else do we create law? The godless has no choice but to argue that law is for without reason, just the pointless democratization of societal preferences. Isn't this what humans do everywhere? Intuitively behave as if Good and Evil exists. Isn't it strange then that where ever atheism takes hold, suddenly society feigns ignorance of this iron law of humanity? It as if atheism is the unnatural belief.

>But that has no say as to whether or not atheism is true.
Don't you find it odd how these falsehoods have brought humanity from toiling amongst the beasts to ordered prosperity as we knew it? From a naturalistic perspective, isn't it strange that religiosity evolved? This instinctual intuition, our understanding of Good and Evil, advantaged our ancestors in their survival, and ultimately, their dominion over creation. What a strange quirk of evolution is it not? That somehow the development of a false framework of reality brought humanity flourishing than no other animal could fathom. All centered around something that apparently does not exist, Good and Evil.

Perhaps it is time to reconsider some of your presuppositions.

If God is real he can give me instructions at any time and does not need religion.

>>514104024 (OP)
>If God is real and good, then why does evil exist?
because He excised His evil.
it's why we are created in The Image Of and we have evil.
super simple stuff.

>>514104024 (OP)
>if god is real then why bad thing happen

>>514104833
But man was deemed good?

>>514104810
religion is man writing down what they were instructed so they can share Good things.
a conscience is your direct line to Good things.
super simple stuff.

>>514104877
the evil was excised before the foundation of the world, anon.
this is all explained.

>>514104877
God and "satan" are the same entity, christian dualism is stupid.

>>514104956
Nothing is creation is described as evil. In fact, man is not only described as good, but very good. How is man evil? He has the capacity for evil, but this does not make humanity evil.

>>514104983
How can one thing be itself and it's opposite simultaneously? No other such phenomenon exists.

>>514105002
>Nothing is creation is described as evil
something only becomes evil once it argues with what's Good.
super simple stuff.
remember, most religion is straight forward mathematics.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

>>514105057
>No other such phenomenon exists
man is his own best blessing and worst nightmare.
you now understand intrinsic divinity.

>>514104905
Religion is man writing down his own ideas. That is why there thousands of conflicting religions and why none of them matter.

>>514105255
>conflicting religions
where?
they all say the thing:
Light = Good
darkness = evil

super
simple
stuff.
lrn2math

>>514105255
>There are many competing models of the universe and none of them matter (because they're not THE model of the universe).
Understand that these religions are attempts to understand the truth. Truth exists. Some religions will have better understanding of this truth than others. Because there exists a plurality of religions does not mean that truth doesn't exist.

>>514105317
Christianity: you must believe that a Jewish carpenter is God to be saved from hell and go to heaven.

Buddhism: gods are just people who think they're hot shit and you must release yourself from desire in order to avoid a bad reincarnation.

NOT compatible. Someone is wrong.

>>514105317
Ironically, it is atheism which says there isn't good or evil. Everyone intuitively knows this to be false. Atheism's model of the universe fails this most basic of tests. This is for it is without any foundation.

>>514105540
>Atheism: good and evil outright doesn't exist
Lmao well we can start by checking that dumb idea off to start

>>514105540
>Christianity: you must believe that a Jewish carpenter is God to be saved from hell and go to heaven.
this is incorrect.
read the book again.
>>514105548
atheism is just an excuse to live hedonistically since all hedonists feel guilt eventually.

>>514105317
No, they don't. The inner teachings of almost every religion is about non-duality, no true separation of the self and others, no difference between good and evil, pure and impure, etc.
The Bible is clear that eating from the tree of knowledge is what caused their fall from paradise. Go deeper into this and it's a metaphor for descent into the material world where one perceives in a dual-way. You have to mend the original sin by attaining non-duality.

>>514105584
Atheism just means not believing in gods. Atheists can and do disagree on anything and everything else, including morality.

>>514105606
Nearly all Christian denominations hold some version of teaching that you have to consciously believe that Jesus is God (or "put faith" in Jesus) to be saved.

>>514104024 (OP)
Similar thoughts helped me to regain my faith. It's ironic that Nietzsche can lead to this

>>514105637
I have never heard an atheist articulate the nature of good and evil.
>Atheists have a wide range of beliefs etc
And yet they all dress the same, act the same, vote the same. Really strange how they're all independent thinkers after all.

But let's not pretend that atheists do not share a series of derivative positions which first rely on the disbelief of God/gods, e.g. naturalistic origin of the universe and speciation.

>>514105618
It's a metaphor for anything you want it to be. If we can't come to a conclusion about what these stories objectively mean thousands of years after they were written then they pretty friggin useless if you ask me.

>>514105618
>The inner teachings of almost every religion is about non-duality
incorrect.
read the books again.
>>514105675
irrelevant to what the book says.
people also believe the nephilim were giants when the verse clearly states that they are two separate species.

niggas just can't read, anon.

>>514105779
Of course you are talking about 4 or 5 bestselling atheist authors that you've watched clips of on YouTube.

>>514105787
>we can't come to a conclusion about what these stories objectively mean
we have.
dumbasses just like to argue for their ability to continue to sin.

>>514105824
The church compiled the Bible in the first place

>>514105864
Then why are there thousands of Christian denominations alone?

>>514105852
Unwilling to actually engage in dialogue, are we? How odd that the confident atheism immediately retreats into his straw shelter of "atheism only mean disbelief" and "atheists don't share anything in common". This is so demonstrably false. Who do you think you're fooling? If your world view is so robust, provide it.

>>514105787
10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”

11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
No it isn't. Jesus taught the mysteries to the disciples while giving the normal people parables. Jesus' true teachings were and are kept secret for the most part to this day, passed down through secret societies, "elite" families, but all of it just comes from older systems. It's the way for one to attain the level he was on. Ever heard of the Giant of Kandahar?

>>514105987
I'm not an atheist

>>514105932
they knew what it meant back when that happened because hollywood and penguin publishing didn't exist as propaganda houses yet.
>>514105983
what part of "argue for their ability to continue to sin" did you not understand?

>>514105824
It is correct. The understanding of consequence is about karma, not about the nature of the action itself. Read Vedanta, Vajrayana, Tantric practices, even Kabbalah.

>>514105997
Matthew 13:10-13
King James Version
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

>>514105997
OoOoooh I'm just dying to know the secret mysteries of some redneck cult leader who thought God would overthrow Rome in his lifetime.

>>514106060
>The understanding of consequence is about karma
correct!
"do unto others"
"love thy neighbor"
super simple stuff, anon.

>>514106049
So then which denomination is right?

>>514106153
The One that actually banned circumcision.

>>514106153
christian.

>>514104024 (OP)
>It as if atheism is the unnatural belief
Atheism is a disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods

>>514106200
Which one? Mormons?

>>514106243
Atheism is whatever I want it to be. Because I am the authority and you are not.

>>514106109
>>514106139
Yeah, so when you understand it as karma, you can begin to understand the non-existence of the two concepts, and where LHP practices come in.

>>514105987
>"atheists don't share anything in common".
The only thing atheists have in common is the disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods

>>514106275
it would depend on if the mormon is following the teaching of christ, anon.
you can call yourself a woman, but if you were born a man, you're not.
you can call yourself a billionaire, but if you ain't got the bankroll, you're not.
you can call yourself a christian, but if you don't follow the teachings of christ, you're not.

>>514106323
>the non-existence of the two concepts
karma wouldn't have a negative and positive if not for the duality.
you gotta be better at thinking, anon.

>>514105983
Because they can't agree on interpretations so they break off into their own groups who think they're right and everyone else is wrong

>>514106345
The Catholic church compiled the teachings of Christ to begin with, so you must recognize their authority, right?

>>514106327
Wrong. I am the King of atheists, and I belive in God.

>>514106327
>Pretends that the disbelief of God does not come with any subsequent logical conclusions
So the universe has a naturalistic origin? We can start with that. That right there disproves you point.

>>514106378
It's not duality. It's just returning your actions to you. There's nothing dual about that, it's a simple exchange. To know God you have to know evil comes from God too. >>514105185

>>514106402
That's because the Bible is poorly written

>>514106345
>you can call yourself a christian, but if you don't follow the teachings of christ, you're not
They all say this. Its not really a valid answer

>>514106430
>does not come with any subsequent logical conclusions
Such as?
>>514106430
>So the universe has a naturalistic origin? We can start with that.
What does this have to do with arheism?

>>514104849
>why dick up bumhole good feel

>>514106446
Indeed

>>514106529
>arheism
Atheism*

>>514106552
You are a dumbass circumcised cattle.

>>514104024 (OP)
>Epicureanism bases its ethics on a hedonistic set of values, seeing pleasure as the chief good in life.[36][37] Hence, Epicurus advocated living in such a way as to derive the greatest amount of pleasure possible during one's lifetime, yet doing so moderately in order to avoid the suffering incurred by overindulgence in such pleasure.[36] Epicurus actively recommended against passionate love, and believed it best to avoid marriage altogether. He viewed recreational sex as a natural, but not necessary, desire that should be generally avoided.[38] Since the political life could give rise to desires that could disturb virtue and one's peace of mind, such as a lust for power or a desire for fame, participation in politics was discouraged.[39][40] Further, Epicurus sought to eliminate the fear of the gods and of death, seeing those two fears as chief causes of strife in life.[41]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicureanism
You know you can just look up what the whole philosophy was about and how it defined it's terms on the internet christfaggot?
This is why everyone dismisses you as retards.

>>514106529
I see that you're on the slower side. I'll put it as simple as possible.

If there exists no god (the central thesis of atheism), then from where does the universe originate? If it is not a God/gods, then the universe MUST originate from purely naturalistic processes. There is no other position an atheist can take. What other explanation for the universe is there?
>Atheism is JUST the disbelief in a god... AND that the universe is purely naturalistic in origin... AND...
Ergo, atheism IS NOT just the disbelief in God. Now that we have that out of the way, we can stop playing pretend.

>>514106414
christ has authority.
i don't think you understand how reality works because you're speaking in terms of society, which is not real because this world passes away.
only the eternal is real, the ephemeral is just an illusion.
you would know this if you read the book.
>>514106439
>It's not duality. It's just returning your actions to you.
Good returns Good, evil returns evil.
duality.
evil does come form God, but He excised it from Himself (the devil was cast out), christ defeated satan, man's the evil one now.
religion is just simple mathematics.
if you know algebra, you get it.
>>514106478
>They all say this. Its not really a valid answer
how is the exact truth and explanation thereof not valid to you?
think better, anon.

>>514106669
>Pleasure is good.
>Not everyone experiences pleasure the same way.
>Good is perspective.
>Morality is subjective.
Boy that was fast lmao didn't really think that one through, did you?

>>514106679
Or maybe the universe has no origin, like the Buddhists believe.

>>514106679
>then from where does the universe originate?
I don't know. Nor do I claim to know. Any other zingers you got there bud?

Or is your entire position built on a strawman?

>>514106714
You wouldn't know anything about Jesus if the church hadn't selected books about him to preserve.

>>514106718
That is not what it say tard boy. Good is tranquility and reason.
Evil is vice, fear and pain.
Moron.

>>514106738
>I don't know where the universe came from BUT I DO KNOW that it isn't God
Lmao is this the part where I say "checkmate, atheists"?

>>514106714
>how is the exact truth and explanation thereof not valid to you?
You should ask yourself and the other denominations that. I simply pointed out the truth in that they all say what you say.

>>514106773
>Pleasure is the chief good in life
It's literally the first sentence of your post. You didn't read what you copied and pasted, tard boy.

>>514106761
if God didn't call man to do so they would not have been preserved.
you gotta read the book to understand how things work, anon.

>>514106786
>BUT I DO KNOW that it isn't God
My lack of belief can change if I'm convinced enough.

I was right. You're entire position is a strawman lol
>>514106786
>Lmao is this the part where I say "checkmate, atheists"?
Good job defeating an argument I didn't make.

Why are these so called "Christians" so dishonest and disingenuous?

>>514106834
>It's literally the first sentence of your post. You didn't read what you copied and pasted, tard boy.
You can't parse a paragraph I get it, it's why you only read the bible, that way you don't have to understand anything that isn't a couple of sentences in context.

>>514106802
>they all say what you say
then they would be admitting their own fault, would they not?

>>514106786
Atheism is not a positive assertion of the non-existence of gods. It's a negative assertion of belief in gods. This has been stated as nauseum in every discussion about atheism for decades.

>>514106875
>the bible is only a couple sentences in context
that's a wild claim, anon.
easily refuted, but wild nonetheless.

>>514106846
Ah, so God works through the Catholic church

>>514106879
>then they would be admitting their own fault, would they not?
Just like younare then? What makes your favorite brand different than the others?

>>514106870
Fix the damn circumcision first before talking shit about God. Fucking cattle.

>>514106714
Again, see >>514105185
That's straight out of the Bible. There is nothing seperate from God, everything is within God, including you and me, that makes us not truly existent. I'm God talking to you through the illusion of a seperate mind produced by ego and a physical body.
It simply returns your actions to you. There is nothing else working at the level of God that does that, it's all God, and like I said, it's a simple exchange.
What race are you?

>>514106915
>that's a wild claim, anon.
>easily refuted, but wild nonetheless.
Not the way you use it chistfaggot. Now do what your inbred arab adjacent cousinfucker told you and keep your religion to yourself.

>>514106886
incorrect.
atheism is a religious belief that there is nothing higher than one's self in the universal order of existence.
for if there are no deities, then man must be the top dog.
see how fucking retarded atheism sounds?

>>514106929
My brand is the Strongest. There is hierarchy in this world, and God is the Apex.

>>514106916
He works through all things, even the devil.
welcome to the fold.

>>514106964
>atheism is a religious belief
Oxymoron

>>514106964
No it's not. My definition is the one that atheists actually use. Yours is a made-up strawman.

>>514106964
>see how fucking retarded atheism sounds?
Your strawman of it sure does

Again,

>>514106870
>Why are these so called "Christians" so dishonest and disingenuous?

>>514106929
>What makes your favorite brand different than the others?
if you recall, i said you had to follow the teachings of christ to be a christian and that christianity is the correct one.
therefore, you can ascribe a favorite since a favorite is subjective and christianity is objective.
you're trying really hard to not learn when you already have the perfect answer.
follow the teachings of christ.

>>514106964
Atheism is the idea that there are no gods at all and that anyone who believes in one is mentally ill and should have a nice lead pill between the eyes. Literal subhumans christfaggots are.

>>514106957
so hostile, anon.
you feeling ok?
need some water?
feeling a bit hangry?

>>514106870
>My lack of belief can change if I'm convinced enough.
The point is that atheism has logical conclusions and cannot be stated to be simply as disbelief in God. This is why you pointed to another religion for a potential alternative explanation for the origin of the universe. The statement "atheism is just the disbelief in God" when used to response to criticism of common positions held by atheists is to seek an out of the conversation, to avoid having to justify an unjustifiable position. It is intellectual dishonestly just as it is intellectual cowardice.

>>514106979
>There is hierarchy in this world
and this world is dogshit.
lrn2christianity

>>514107088
Aw run out of ways to fail to defend your pretentious bullshit already christfaggot?

>>514106992
That means I can go back through the apocrypha and choose different books about Jesus and declare them to be just as legitimate as the Gospels. I could even just make stuff up, like the Gospel writers did. I have just as much authority as them.

>>514106886
>Uhm no sweety, that's called agnosticism
Lmfao yet another atheist btfo. You don't seem prepared to have this conversation as its clear you lack the necessary vocabulary.

>>514107063
>i said you had to follow the teachings of christ to be a christian and that christianity is the correct one.
So JWs are equally correct then? If you say so anon lol

>>514107090
>and cannot be stated to be simply as disbelief in God
But it isn't, whether they're gnostic or agnostic in their approach
>>514107090
>This is why you pointed to another religion for a potential alternative explanation for the origin of the universe
No I didn't

>>514107107
Where therr is Life, there is hierarchy. This won't change even after you die.

>>514106996
incorrect.
a religion is a system of beliefs.
atheism is a belief that there are no deities.
therefore, it is a belief system or, a religion.
super simple stuff.
>>514107018
>atheists actually use
and trannies call themselves women when they are not.
your point is irrelevant as only definitions matter.
>>514107050
>strawman
anon...
>>514107073
read above.

>>514107107
>God made a dogshit world
Kek, you Christians are a wacky bunch lol

>>514107206
God is the strongest.

>>514107204
>incorrect.
Correct. Atheism roots mean without theism
>>514107204
>a religion is a system of beliefs.
Atheism is the lack of belief

>>514107204
>>strawman
>anon
Try lesss of it.

>>514107146
see
>>514107088
when you come back and calm down like a sane person, then we'll continue our discussion.
until then, you may take your leave to quell that anger you have.
it's not healthy to be so mad over being wrong and being told about it.
>>514107174
>Where therr is Life, there is hierarchy
correct!
>This won't change even after you die.
read the book again.
>>514107164
>So JWs are equally correct then?
if they are following the teachings of christ they are correct.
i don't think you understand that collectivism is not part of the equation since all are judged individually.
you can't just join a group and be shielded.
you gotta allow christ to change your own heart.

>>514107204
>atheism is a belief that there are no deities.
That's also still a lack if belief.

Learn2english

>>514104024 (OP)
But

>>514107334
Read about what?

>>514107334
>if they are following the teachings of christ they are correct.
They all say they do kek. So I guess if they recite that line then it must be granted as true?

>>514107284
atheism is a strawman in and of itself since God is proven, anon.
pic related.
>>514107264
>Atheism is the lack of belief
you didn't finish the statement and are forgetting your logic.
if one does not have a belief in the existence of deities, then one must have a belief in the lack of deities.
therefore, the belief of no deities is the religion of atheism.

you're not very good at intellect are you?
this would make sense why you would argue for atheism.

>>514107206
God made a perfect world.
we made it dogshit.
did you forget that man is divine in nature?
tsk tsk, anon.

>>514107156
I've actually had this exact same conversation hundreds of times going back at least ten years.

>>514107204
Your definition is objectively wrong

>>514107447
>atheism is a strawman in and of itself
Nope
>>514107447
>since God is proven
To you

>>514107447
>then one must have a belief in the lack of deities.
That's still a lack if belief though adding in belief doesn't negate the A in atheism lol

Why are these goons like this?

>>514107409
>They all say they do kek. So I guess if they recite that line then it must be granted as true?
It isn't because according to the book and jesus's teachings we should know the christfaggot by his works not his words.
As he isn't showing us his works that means he is bound for hell.

The majority of the human race is either Christian or Muslim, and in a matter of decades they will be equal in population due to the rapid growth of Islan.

Religion is our natural state and our conscience testifies to the Law of God as the Scripture teaches. Atheism is not only a small and unnatural cult, it is medically unhealthy and leads to massive suicide.

41%, think about that, 41% of atheist men kill themselves. That is an absolutely massive number, nearly half. Atheism is a suicide cult. Look at the trend of "voluntary euthanasia" it is like a page out of early fascist Germany, which was really Nietzche's Germany.

>>514107475
>God made a perfect world.
>we made it dogshit
But God knew we would and let it happen lol

>>514107548
>As he isn't showing us his works that means he is bound for hell.
He is but it's just dishonesty

>>514107548
A tree is judged with its fruit. Yes. If you want to see the fruit of my being then you have to give me the authority to rule the world.

>>514107551

>The majority of the human race is either Christian or Muslim, and in a matter of decades they will be equal in population due to the rapid growth of Islam

Muslims believe in Jesus Christ and the Gospel. Attacking Jesus Christ is attacking the religion of Islam.

These attacks are done systematically by zionist Jews using US tax dollars in order to decrease sympathy for war crimes against Palestinian Christians. It is a spiritual war of propaganda, truth and lies.

Denying God is a lie.

>>514107551
In our lifetimes only brown people will be Christian or Muslim.

>>514107409
>They all say they do
and trannies say they are women when they are not.
i don't get how you still don't understand.
it's almost baffling.
we will return to this post >>514106345
so that you can understand that just because a person says they are/do something does not mean that they are/do.
the teachings of christ are to love thy neighbor as thyself.
they can say you do, but do they?
and just because a group might be viewed from a wide viewpoint does not mean that each individual (which is what matters) is/is not following the teachings.

do you understand now?
it's not about the group, it's about the individual.
you're not judged for your co-workers' fuck ups.
when you breathe their lungs don't get filled.
when you eat their stomach doesn't get filled.
it's individual, not collective.

Are they on a discord trying to figure out how to respond next? Lol

>>514107686
It will be your Hell. Yes. All atheists will go to Hell.

>>514107558
indeed.
He also knew His son would die for our sins.
ever wonder why?
time exists and things take time.
wanna know the secret to that one?
ask God.

>>514107551
Atheism is a natural reaction to reading history.

>>514107704
>i don't get how you still don't understand
I don't get how you determined your favorite brand is for you out of the 30k.

Why aren't you a JW or Mormon? Or are you?

evil is whatever makes consciousness suffer, consciousness is the only valuable thing in this universe and if god exists he doesn't care about us at all because he put consciousness into painful flesh bodies

>>514107533
>>since God is proven
>To you
oof on sheesh, anon.
the pic i posted is the proof.
i'm sorry you're not good at math.
here's a link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof
and remember, math proves things.
welcome to the fold.

>>514107747
>He also knew His son would die for our sins.
>ever wonder why?
To fix a loophole he created lol

>>514107548
>he isn't showing us his works
right now posting truth here that i've amassed through living is my work.
are you saying you do things in life that are not part of your work?
what an odd way to live.

>>514104024 (OP)
This world is a sandbox for gods children (humans), to do with as we please. Good and evil are human concepts to aid in survival and are not relevant to god. God is not responsible for what choices you make, we are not his slaves and we can decide how we live day to day.

>>514107808
>the pic i posted is the proof.
To you
>>514107808
>i'm sorry you're not good at math
Point out in the equation where A) God was objectively proven and B) its your favorite flavor of God.

I'll wait

>>514107558
The nature of God is perfect. What that anon calls "divine nature" is truly just Buddha Nature, it means every being is capable of Buddhahood because it's our natural state due to our connection with the Dharmakaya. When this Dharmakaya "fell" into the material world it became plagued by ego and animal instincts, the lower self. That's what you just defeat.
If you're just talking about nature or animals eating other animals, then that's just the nature of the flesh.
That's why you always see the thunder God fighting a dragon in old myths, or how Satan is described as an old dragon in Revelations. It's your reptilian brain.
Don't think I'm saying spirits don't exist, they do and I have personally dealt with them more than once, but no spirit is a bigger threat to you than the enemy within.

>>514107533
>That's still a lack if belief though adding in belief doesn't negate the A in atheism
irrelevant to the logic.
please go back to 7th grade math class.

>>514107512
incorrect.
see
>>514107447

>>514107904
>The nature of God is perfect
Who's God?

>>514107935
The Dharmakaya.

>>514107870
>right now posting truth here that i've amassed through living is my work.
>are you saying you do things in life that are not part of your work?
>what an odd way to live.
>“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.
Your work is hypocrisy and ego masturbation.

>>514107911
>>That's still a lack if belief though adding in belief doesn't negate the A in atheism
>irrelevant to the logic
Nope.
>>514107911
>please go back to 7th grade math class.
Please demonstrate the equation beyond copy pasta

>>514107767
>favorite brand
now you're just refusing to move forward in the conversation because you're upset that you're wrong and a correct person is correcting you.
you may want to curb that narcissism, sweaty.

>>514107934
He's right. You are objectively incorrect

>>514105584
>You need foreskin god to have a moral framework

Kys kike

>>514107963
Oh, why should I believe in your personal feelings and opinions about God?

>>514107899
>To you
math is not subjective, anon.
>Point out in the equation where A) God was objectively proven
i already did twice.
you're just being obstinate.
>and B) its your favorite flavor of God.
odd thought process, anon.
there is only one God and it's been proven.
super simple stuff.

>>514104024 (OP)
No one asked these questions neither gave you these pre-cooked answers.

I'll ask however a very simple thing: Where'd you get the idea that you "convert" to a (formerly state) religion as opposite of being born into yours?
Irrespective of where other retards place you.

>>514107974
So again,
>>514107767
>I don't get how you determined your favorite brand is for you out of the 30k.
>Why aren't you a JW or Mormon? Or are you?
Weird you refuse to answer

>>514107999
incorrect.
i'm sorry you just can't accept it.
whatever hang ups you have about learning about reality, you should squash that nonsense.

>>514108030
Why don't you ask Nikola Tesla?

>>514108040
>i already did twice
Where exactly?
>>514108040
>there is only one God and it's been proven.
To you. But where does this equation validate its your favorite one?

>>514108091
>incorrect
Correct. See
>>514107264

>>514107967
>Please demonstrate the equation
already did with the logic statement.
>beyond copy pasta
just gonna do the astroturfing thing because you're upset about reality?

>>514108112
What did he say about it?

>>514106598
Speaking about bible and circumcision

>>514108117
>Where exactly?
you replied to the posts.
stop astroturfing.
>>514108117
>your favorite one?
stop astroturfing.
it's quite niggardly.

>>514108125
Yes, I am the chosen ONE of God. Cry and seethe.

>>514108150
>already did with the logic statement
I don't see where the logic is. You jist made a claim you clearly can't back up lol
>>514108150
>just gonna do the astroturfing thing because you're upset about reality?
Weird projection lol

>>514108138
you can't use a refuted point to refute logic.
please play again.

>>514108187
>you replied to the posts
Ah so I was right. You really don't know. You saw another anon use it and thought it was a good idea.

The truth is you can't even explain the equation nor how it relates to your god

>>514108219
You haven't refuted anything beyond your strawman bud

>>514108206
>I don't see where the logic is.
if and then statements, anon.
you must've not made it through intermediate math.
>You jist made a claim you clearly can't back up
i've not made one claim in this entire thread, only stated facts.
>>514108206
>>514108206
>projection
it's not projection if you're constantly astroturfing the same irrelevant point, in this case "favorite".
that would be a subjective point and i only post in objective fact.
you may try again, but you're only arguing against cold hard fact.

i'm sorry you're this way.

>>514108171
Quite a bit. Many quantum physicists have spoken in depth about concepts related to it or even on Vedanta or Vajrayana writings. You should read "Quantum Buddhism".
Erwin Schrodinger is an example of one who talked in depth about these concepts.

>>514108313
>if and then statements, anon
A presupposition basically, which you can't actually demonstrate

>>514108313
>i've not made one claim in this entire thread, only stated facts
You're confusing facts with a strawman and personal feelings anon

>>514108313
>it's not projection
100% it is

>>514108343
>Quite a bit
Share some

>>514108395
Reality is 100% perception. You are a stupid atheist because you have never seen God, and is incapable of imagining one.

>>514108282
incorrect.
i'm sorry you can't read and don't understand mathematical logic statements.
>>514108250
>Ah so I was right
you replying to posts does not equate to you being correct, anon.
i'm sorry you learned some oddball way of thinking.
whoever was your teachers in school were really messed up individuals to have warped your ability to associate information this incorrectly.

now i'm gonna do the christian thing and love you as i would myself.
for if i was being as much of an insufferable cunt as you with a weak attempt to troll, i would want somebody to call me out too.
also, don't forget trolling died in 2015 when we got trump elected.

you're just being a faggot and you know it.
may you at least have a comfortable shit later on from the irritated asshole you're sick of arguing with, yourself.

checkmate.

>>514104024 (OP)
YOUR GOD CREATES EVIL.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS THAT YOUR GOD DOESN'T CAUSE TO HAPPEN?
>
It is simple really.
What don't you understand about your belief system?

>>514108423
>All perceptible matter comes from a primary substance, or tenuity beyond conception, filling all space, the akasha or luminiferous ether, which is acted upon by the life-giving Prana or creative force, calling into existence, in never-ending cycles all things and phenomena.”
~ Nikola Tesla, Man’s Greatest Achievement, 1907 1 2
That's the Dharmakaya. Akasha is another name for Dyaus-Pitr, in PIE terms this is Dyeus-Phter, and the origin of the Catholic term Deus-Pater which means God the Father.

>>514108478
>incorrect.
Correct
>>514108478
>i'm sorry you can't read and don't understand mathematical logic statements.
Weird you can't explain them lol
>>514108478
>you replying to posts does not equate to you being correct, anon
You're inability to explain it makes me correct lol

>>514108478
>now i'm gonna do the christian thing and love you as i would myself
We all know that's a lie. Anyone who says they love you without knowing you is a con or pervert. You might be both lol

>>514108478
>42 posts by this ID
unironically kill yourself you enormous fat faggot

>>514108552
He envisioned this ether not only as the source of matter but also as a potential limitless reservoir of energy that could be harnessed by humanity.

Sad day of loss. What would've happened if he didn't go through JP Morgan?.

>>514108685
.

>>514108027
Is morality objective? Why or why not?
If so, how so? If not... Well... Lmao

It's 5:20 PM in Thailand. Time to activate the ladyboy filter

>>514108685
Imagine: a world with no light bills.

>>514108779
Morality is subjective on a macro scale and becomes more objective on a micro/societal scale

>>514108814
And free, unlimited energy

>>514104833
Anime logic. The worst kind.

>>514108840
.

>>514108057
Hey man, that was a great post! Here's your sticker. If you don't wish to deal with the OP and instead, have your own questions, maybe you should start your own fucking thread. I stopped reading your post after you ignored the OP.

>>514108575
>>514108662

>>514108897
>this proves a Semitic desert God
Lol

>>514109006
.

>>514108887
>can't handle being born an atheist
It's ok anon.

>>514109128
>nothing left to argue
Take care anon

Rocks aren't evil. Trees aren't evil. People understand that getting killed is not preferable. So killing and raping and stealing and all that stuff we describe as bad. It requires no comic book overpowered entity with retarded schizo OCD rules for people to distinguish from good and bad. It's a concept that only applies to people because we all get it. Slapping a fictional god over it doesn't change anything. Nerds have always liked cosplaying and nerd conventions. That what religion/church is and was.

>>514109182
And fuck all of you; nobody reply to me.

>>514109182
Based

>>514109249
Super based

>>514109182
The strong is good, and the weak is evil.

>>514108840
>You don't need God to be moral
>Morality is subjective.
Hey pal, remember how this goes?
>Morality is subjective at the macro scale... But "more objective" at a micro scale.
There is no such thing as "more objective". That is an expression of localized subjectivity. You do not wish to dispell with the word objective because the moral consequences are HILARIOUS. You wouldn't have to use the qualifier "more" to describe objective if your morality was objective. Otherwise, you would simply declare morality to be objective at the localized scale. You are duplicitous though I do not know if you understand that you are.
>The consequence being that you evidently require a god in order to be objectively moral
But let's play ball again. I'll grant your premise.
>Morality is "more objective" at the micro scale
According to what?
>Democracy
Democratic agreement on what is desirable and undesirable behavior codified into a law or rule? According to who? Not all societies are democratic. It's according to the PREFERENCE of those who wield power.
Your statement is then refined to:
>Micro scale morality is determined by the subjective opinion of those who wield power over a polity.
But it is still subjective according to those who wield power. Logically, they could define whatever they might deem fit to be "moral", no? That's localized objectivity according to you, isn't it?
What about differing localized interpretations of morality? Two different societies, both micro, come up with OPPOSITE declarations of good and evil behavior, but they're "more objective"? How are they then more objective if they are opposite claims relating to the same problem? It doesn't make sense. Your world view, quite frankly, is retarded. Stop clasping at the term "objective". Embrace that you're a unbound heathen.

But backtracking a bit, is it wrong if a locality determined that it was GOOD to chain you (you're already chained), rape your boy pussy, and behead you? Is that wrong?

>>514109182
Is morality objective?

>>514105196
>duality of man = same as duality of a constant universal truth

Humans duality exist because of free will. If we had no choice but to do as God commanded, then that would negate any good we are capable of since the choice was never ours to begin with.

God himself is a universal constant, and is truth itself. There is no duality in truth, it is always true, and truth is the most high aim. You cant have love without it.

Christ is king.

>>514109411
>There is no such thing as "more objective".
I use th term loosely. But it's what codified laws are. Agreed upon moral values

>>514109411
>>Morality is "more objective" at the micro scale
>According to what?
The laws we vote on and codified

>>514109411
>But it is still subjective according to those who wield power. Logically, they could define whatever they might deem fit to be "moral", no?
With votes, maybe, maybe not

>Long winded agreement

I'm glad you agree there really isn't objective morality. Just morality values adopted and codified by society

>>514109287
HH brother

>>514109494
>Humans duality exist because of free will
>>514109494
>the choice was never ours to begin with.
Lol

It's impossible to have free will when you also kneel to a Gid who's will always supercedes yours

>>514109182
Yes that's the products of the mind you're in and the perception you have. There's a primal level to morality that often gets overlooked. Once you overcome this lower mind you will no longer perceive this way but view it with the wisdom of God. Just like Jesus said to let him judge, the same has been a rule for gurus/lamas for thousands of years. Only those with the God consciousness can apply the perfect judgement beyond a human level of understanding. This goes for them in life and when you die unless you achieve the godhood state and transcend death itself, as was promised by Jesus, Buddha, Lao Tzu, etc. it means you'll escape the Cycle of Samsara.
Xian is the Chinese word for immortal. These beings are often prayed to in order for them to lend a hand to those who are asking for it, but they were once normal people that achieved immortality through alchemy.

>>514109616
RIP :^(

If morality comes from a desert god, why were the TWO SETS OF COMMANDMENTS MOSES BROUGHT OFF THE MOUNTAIN DIFFERENT?
Did global morality change over the course of 40 days?
Is goat milk soup good or bad?

>>514109795
>MOSES
One of the funniest lines about Moses in pic rel

>>514109662
You choose to kneel before God. His will be done over yours and through you. Yes it is a choice.
You choose to elevate yourself to the most high.
You choose to worship yourself.
We all have choices anon.

>>514109886
Free will isn't about the ability to make a.choice. Machines and computer programs make choices all day.

It's about the cause and effect of said choice.

>>514109886
>You choose to kneel before God
And I choose not to believe in your opinions about God

>>514109858
Jewish foot fetish blood libel?
>god TRIED to kill him
So god is incompetent?
Can fart out quasars and solar systems... but can't off a nigger in a tent?
Did the jew hide behind an iron chariot?

>>514109601
>Blah blah I'm retarded
You do understand that I "grant(ed) (his) premise"? Right? Do you understand what that means?

>The laws we vote on and codified
Hey retard, I already blew past this when I started the "democracy" post. Don't just restate the previous position.

>I'm glad you agree there really isn't objective morality
Where did I do that? But at least now you're being relatively intellectually honest now. A worldview in which morality is subjective is not a worldview for which a stable society can be founded. Your morality is purely consensus driven. So I ask again, couldn't it be moral if the consensus was that society would rape your little boy pussy and behead you?
>But I would leave
Address it. Would that not be "moral"? If morality is consensus driven, then it is not morality at all. The word morality demands a positive claim that there exists objective truth. Otherwise what is the word?
>Consensus driven preferences
One thing cannot be itself and it's opposite at the same time. That's a contradiction. If two separate consensus driven preferences come to OPPOSITE conclusions as to what is and what is not moral, and they are, according to your worldview, to be understood as equivalent statements of morality, then the word morality does not have any meaning itself.

Tldr- You do not believe that morality exists at all. Morality is a positive claim. A definition cannot be self contradicting. As such, "subjective morality" is self-contradicting.

Welcome to atheism

>>514110025
>Did the jew hide behind an iron chariot?

>>514110039
>>I'm glad you agree there really isn't objective morality
>Where did I do that?
Demonstrate an objective moral
>irrelevant strawman follows

the god of religions is made up. An egregore. a dead "god" created by a handful of people.
The real god is impersonal has no name and never told anyone anything nor imposed commandments or to cut your penis. Thats a god invented by humans to control other humans.
There is good and evil just as there is night and day. Both are asoects of "god".

>>514110276
>The real god is impersonal has no name and never told anyone anything
So how do YOU know about this invisible man?
Is he in the room with us now, anon?

>>514110276
So why worship an invisible nameless halfwit that hides?

Going back to bed

Q. THE MAGIC OF WITCHES AND WARLOCKS IS TRADITIONALLY RUINED BY IRON OR IRON WEAPONS IN EVERY CULTURE ON THE PLANET. The 'god' of the bible cannot defeat IRON CHARIOTS. So is the jewish 'god' a witch?

>>514110020
>free will isnt about ability to make choice
The ability to decide things for yourself is the only freedom you have.
>machines make choices
Thats an interesting interpretation of what a machine does, but then you go on to say its about cause and effect of said choice.
Tell me, if a machine chooses wrong, what is the cause and effect?

You choose not to beleive my opinion, that is your choice, very good anon. You made a decision. See, you just excersised your free will. Unless of coarse you were only acting as the machine does in your previous statement. Which of coarse is your choice to exemplify.

>>514106402
the truth is a dividing sword. That there is so much discord around the Bible is natural. People do not agree, people turn their back on the truth, people want their own ways. Other religions may have less struggles surrounding their religious books because their religious books are not from the truth in the first place, they are false gods and human philosophies and demonic spiritualities, so who cares arguing about this or that interpretation? they are only interested in their personal benefits through their religion.
Only the truth has much debate and is a huge target for the devils in this world. Satan knows the Bible and subverts it constantly all throughout history.

>>514104024 (OP)
Rome accused BOTH jews and christians of onolatry.
you making conversation with yourself is stereotypically quite jewish.

>>514104024 (OP)
>>If God is real and good, then why does evil exist?
The Law of Free Will.

>>514104833

Animal logic. the worst kind.
You are brown .

>>514110125
It's not a straw man if you've conceded that your philosophy is amoral. You won't even answer the question. In order for morality to exist, it must be objective in order to be coherent. In order for anything, morality included, to be objective, it must be unchanging. Ergo, morality must/is unchanging. If it is to be unchanging, it cannot be subject to the preference of man. What other entity can make moral declarations? A God. In order for morality to exist, an interested god must define it. World religions attempt to articulate the objective morality. Biblical Christianity is the best articulation of morality.
>The law is written upon the heart.
Scripture should be understood as a "Moral Constitution". It is not subject to change.
>But men can interpret it differently
That doesn't mean the object itself is changing it subjective. There may be many perspectives, but there exists one truth. The purpose of the Church (not Protestants) is to assure this Moral Constitution is understood and taught correctly. (Protestants necessarily rejects this)

For your response, if God exists, would morality be objective? To clarify, if a Judging God exists, is morality objective?

>>514105987
>>514105779
Faggot, the CULTURAL RULES -
such as 1) don't steal, 2) don't fck your neighbor's wife and 3) don't kill

Do Not come from some book of Magic stories.
They don't come from Hollywood movies, not from Talkien and not from a Bible.

They are Societal Rules that have been developed BY A SOCIETY that lived and interacted for thousands of years.
>not made up in a book of magic stories published in 1600.

>>514104024 (OP)
You have to understand that these people hate Christ and love Death. They all work as pawns for the Zionists.

>>514106679
>>then from where does the universe originate?
>I don't know. Nor do I claim to know.
>Or is your entire position built on a strawman?
Correct, this faggot's entire position is a strawman.

>>514105057
>How can one thing be itself and it's opposite simultaneously?
Look around, the illusion of duality exists everywhere, and yet all things are one. In fact two opposites cannot exist at the same time, it's a contradiction, a mere illusion.

>>514109182
>Rocks aren't evil. Trees aren't evil.
>People understand that getting killed is not preferable.
>So killing and raping and stealing and all that stuff we describe as bad.
>It requires no comic book overpowered entity with retarded schizo OCD rules for people to distinguish from good and bad

This is CORRECT.
This doesn't come from Magic books such as Tolkien ,nor Bible.
Those are SOCIETAL RULES that come from a SOCIETY living together in peace and harmony for thousands of years.

>>514104024 (OP)
Cool it with the kike god cock sucking mental gymnastic subcultist bro.

>>514113543
All laws and rule originated from religion and blief. Politics and law are downstream from religion.
Squad games used to be a law.

>>514104024 (OP)
>christcuck philosophizing
you are owned by kikes and praying to a dead kike
there are mentally ill people more deserving of a serious conversation than you are

>>514113709
I am owned by Gof Almighty. L

>>514113689
>All laws and rule originated from religion and blief
No, absolutely NOT .
The Vatican cultists and jesuits STOLE all rules of morality and wrote them in the Bible.
However, Bible is full of evil stuff btw.
>and Bible is a brainwashing tool and isn't a good source of morality.

And, in the mean time you Vatican jesuit satanist cultists have BURNED boat loads of ancient written knowledge ,
by burning over 20 libraries around the world.

And you , satanists , destroyed science and any records of ancient science and technology.
>while claiming you are the oldest cultist group
While previous civilization without your participation has reached Free Energy status.

Your group of satanists are pure evil bunch.
So you cannot possibly have any claim on morality, nor your book of magic stories written in 1600.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_destroyed_libraries

>>514104024 (OP)
I have no problem with God existing, what I have a problem with is people creating images of God and saying the image is God. Yes I am talking about OPs pic.

>>514113961
Might makes Right. Power is Absolute.

nigger fuck englih,
nègre baise anglais,
زنجي يمارس الجنس مع الإنجليزية
cryptobot:
die nigger fuck englih,
der nègre baise anglais,
زنجي يمارس الجنس مع الإنجليزية das

>>514114053
You have a problem, and you can't solved it. You are weak.

>>514114121
Me and my buddies with guns want to rape your little boy pussy. Is that right? You're chained up and your boy pussy is throbbing for own BIG WHITE COCKS. Your next post should be your argument as to why we shouldn't have our way with your little boy pussy.

>>514113098
>>But men can interpret it differently
>That doesn't mean the object itself is changing it subjective. There may be many perspectives, but there exists one truth.

What happened to thou shalt not make image of God? And then christians put them up everywhere saying that Jesus is God.

>>514114163
That isn't my problem, it is Gods problem. I am only a messenger.

>>514114196
It's because you are weak, and you will go to Hell for messing with Me.

FREE 4 LANGUAGES TO SAY DIAMOND:
BRILLIANT, RUBY, GEM, JEWEL
IN GOD WE TRUST
GOD GOD GOD GOD

>>514114121
>>514114284

>Might makes Right. Power is Absolute.
Hey the Satanist jesuit, hello.
We have already heard this bullshit from you many times here.
Your soul will burn in hell for eternity for your evil deeds.

Read it again as far as to what you did:
>>514113961

>>514114275
God has no real problem. If anything, God has to invent a problem. Due to being an Eternal Being with unlimited life span. Boredom is the greatest enemy.

>>514114284
Might makes right. I can't go to hell because IM RIGHT and your boy pussy quivers for our cocks. Problem is, retardo, if might makes right, then right can mean whatever depending on the context. Right has a definition, just as morality, and cannot be contradicting. If two "mights" make contradicting declarations of what is "right", then right would have two contradicting definitions, and as such, cannot be consistently described as right. It's just might and might abuses according to preference.

My preference is for your boy pussy to swallow my BIG WHITE COCK whole. That is right.

no god, god of diamond, god of gold, god of meat. It's a company.
constitution of wind.
gold of earth.
god of element.
YOU CAN SAY GOD WITH A PROVE OF IT.
fuck atheism.

if usd is as a single currency of the world.
the god has an probable exist. It's fake money.

>>514104024 (OP)
>order is the law of Nature
No, you're wrong. God told men to go forth and subdue the earth. If order is the natural state, then there is no subduing it.

>>514114555
if god isn't real then why do i see him? why do some people say he isn't real and others believe he is.

>>514114777
Is nature disorderly? Can there be new orders? The existence of a new order doesn't mean there never existed order.

>>514114463
I don't think about punishing people with gay sex, anon.

Usually my punishment involved just cripple them and throw them to jail for billion years, not allowing them to die. That's efficient.

>>514114893
You haven't demonstrated why me and my boys raping your boy pussy is wrong. Your silence speaks volumes.

>>514114874
>Is nature disorderly?
Yes. This is why models fail.

>>514114777
female can't speak arabic.
al god of al earth

>>514115035
Right and wrong is just a matter of Power. You can certainly rape and eat me. But I will never die, so eventually, I will have the opportunity to cripple you and throw you to Hell.

>>514114438
You are weak because you don't understand how free will enters the equation.

>>514115085
It's not disorderly. Nature is self correcting. This orderly. Because you don't see or understand the order, respectfully, doesn't mean there does not exist order.

>>514115353
Free will is just an error in programming. God allowed it. Because otherwise, you will just be a boring robot.

>>514115248
Right and wrong, good and evil, have definitive meaning. In order to have definitions, they cannot be self-contradicting. The subjectivity of control power dynamics means that these definitions of right and wrong will be contradicting, ergo, subjective power dynamics cannot be the defining principle of right and wrong. Dammit, think.
>But in practice, right and wrong is blah blah blah
It's not right and wrong. We have other words to describe what you're misidentifying as right and wrong and it's called abuse.

>>514115444
It's not an error it's a feature, you might be a boring robot, but he still loves you.

>>514104024 (OP)
Because my patience is endless, ultimately if humans can’t self correct the species will die as a whole.
So you better start culling subhumans.

>>514115554
The digits agreed with me.

>>514115444
Free will is intentional. God created a creation. He defined it as good. God sought to create a greater creation. What could be greater than a creation which seems good? Could a creation logically be good if it could not choose to be anything but good? No. So in order to be a truly good creation, God imbued man with free will. Hence, free will is a purposeful design choice.

>>514115361
prove space time continuum

>>514104810
>If God is real
He is
>he can give me instructions at any time
He gave you instructions 2000 years ago, why repeat them? It's rude and arrogant to expect God to repeat himself.
>and does not need religion
You need religion, not God

>>514104024 (OP)
Laws exists because a higher functioning order of humans, have to coexist with Neanderthals like Arabs and Aboriginals. The highest orders of society have mapped out the underpinnings of a peaceful, harmonious, cohesive, tax generating society - and who have seen the need for laws, that even the most basic, succinct rules of law shall be enacted, and in some cases, intelligible for those low IQ biological failures that can’t control impulsive behaviour that lead to degenerate, murderous, treacherous behaviours, that ultimately work against society.

God does not exist. I’ve seen men shroud themselves in religion while giving in to their impulsive carnal desires, ripping of society at the cost of the whole, there simple is no point.

Fuck it all.

>>514111478
>You choose not to beleive my opinion
For a reason. And every choice had consequence that binds. Those two things you'll never be free of

>>514113098
Again, demonstrate an objective moral

>>514104024 (OP)
I don't care what stupid jewish pilpul you write, I'm not worshiping a fictional jew created to destroy the Roman Empire and subvert Aryanity.

>>514104024 (OP)
read Revelation.

>>514115968
Is morality objective?

>>514115860
>>If God is real
>He is
To you

>>514115860
>It's rude and arrogant to expect God to repeat himself.
It's rude and arrogant to limit God to a book. Surely an omnipotent being can come and.talk to me instead of sending morons like you

>>514116019
All of the New Testament teachings are objective moral statements according to Christianity. You may pick any.

>>514116147
Demonstrate one

>>514115720
>prove space time continuum
It's a mathematical MODEL.
Models are just that, models, as soon as scientists find holes in this one,
>if they are HONEST scientists and not Vatican jesuits
the real scientists then would develop a different model.

>In physics, spacetime, also called the space-time continuum, is a mathematical model
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime

>>514116256
Demonstrate one

>>514106996
atheism is satanism.
>you will be like God

>>514116246
>It's rude and arrogant to limit God to a book
That's a very American centric perspective of Christianity. Understand that most Christians in the world are not Protestants and do not limit their understanding of God to a "book".

>>514116256
>according to Christianity
That's subjective, considering how divided Christianity is too.

How would you convince a non Christian with this?

>>514115979
>you'll never be free of consequences
Never claimed freedom from consequence.
What a weird thing to assert anon. You are not free from consequences either. You proclaim that as a gotcha.
Are you old enough to post on this board?

>>514115688
What's the different between (you) and an NPC in skyrim?

>>514116366
>Never claimed freedom from consequence
Then your will isn't free.

If it truly was then no one would ever have anxiety or depression

>>514115720
>>514116307

But in REALITY we have Aether,
>which the Vatican jesuits and their fake scientists
>are trying to hide
>because if you accept Aether, we have massive energy Everywhere.
>and we cannot have that
>because we are monkeys on a ball with no energy according to jesuists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_(classical_element)

>>514116317
I propose literally all teachings in the NT. Would you like a PDF?
>[Insert any NT moral] is a moral taught by God and is for man. God is good. God defined good. Ergo, [Insert any NT moral] is by definition good as far as it concerns man.
That [Insert any NT moral] is necessarily moral.

>>514116360
If your God can't come and talk to me directly then he's limited

>>514116502
>I propose literally all teachings in the NT
Not the OT too? Did God change?

Again, please just demonstrate one objective moral

bulldoze the vatican
burn it
raze the ashes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FYtNQ8izM0

>>514116643
I believe that only circumcised cattle hate the Vatican. Must be Jealousy.

>>514116147
I can’t answer that but I will say few objective moral truths exist that we have all resonated with at some point in time.

>>514116364
There is one true undivided Church which has maintained the unbroken chain of apostolic tradition from the original Christian Church of Paul and Peter. That unbroken apostolic chain has not made changes to the Moral Constitution unlike the other "Christian churches". You have an American centric perspective on this matter so it's understandable if you don't understand that Christianity actually doesn't look like skateboarding preachers in khakis.

But to spell it out for you
>The original church is necessarily the Church.
>Christ granted St. Paul the keys to heaven and the apostles the authority to lead his Church. That is definitively THE church.
>The Church which mains this is the Orthodox though Catholics also claim this (but they deviated in the ascension of their Pope).
Ergo, the Orthodox Church is the church.

>>514116736
Reality is 100% perception. That's an objective Truth.

>>514116771
>blah blah blah church slogan blah
Again, please just demonstrate one objective moral

>>514116407
My cock (me) can rearrange your internals organs to resemble a balloon animal. You have yet to demonstrate why this is wrong.

>>514116862
You sure have a vivid imagination of gay sex.

>>514116862
Under the LARP Christians are just as degenerate as anyone else

>>514116527
>???
God is self evident. That's why you intuitively know right from wrong, regardless of whether you want to admit it.
>The law is written upon the heart.
Your expectation for God is no different from Family Guy Jesus. It's quite childish.

>>514116850
Well I learnt something today, deep thought anon.

>>514117064
Eventually. You will no have no choice but to unfiltered me.

>>514117056
>God is self evident
Nope

Again, please just demonstrate one objective moral

>>514116440
>muh preferential interpretation of free will
Ahh ok.
Plenty of people around this world, throughout all of history have made terrible choices (per the consequences) and continue to do so to this day, daily. Yet they do not have free will, and are incapable of choosing anything because a consequence is attached to the decision?
Its because of the consequence that a choice exists. If one could not suffer or prosper based on a choice, then there would be not need to choose anything.

>>514117096
For >>514116987

>>514116695
Hey , the son of Satan. Aren't you calling yourself Satan or something ?
You faggot satanists are all the same , but you may be the only one who spams this board ,
claims you are a Satan,
yet also claims this doesn't mean you are a satanist.

You Vatican jesuit faggots are blocking Real science and real physics,
>>514116496

and your soul will burn in hell for eternity for your satanism.

>>514104024 (OP)
The spectrum of God exists. The spectrum of man exists within the spectrum of God. Within the spectrum of man is the capability of evil. God has evil within its spectrum. God is good and favors existence on the good side of the spectrum. Evil exists.

Either God exists or he doesn’t. I choose to live in the world he exists.

>>514117141
I am the ruler of this world. Of course. I am satan.
The great deception was me, killing my own memory, and becoming a mortal.

>>514116527
>If your God can't come and talk to me directly then he's limited
NO, incorrect logic. It means You are limited.
Now, imagine what happens if you do the same with the sun.
>if sun can come over, be 10 fee from me and warm me directly then it is limited
>sun - uh, ok buddy , shows up 10 feet from you
>your body - immediately burns and disappears.
The Creator isn't that primitive.

>>514117128
>and are incapable of choosing anything
I never said this.

Every will/choice isn't jist made on a whim. There is always a reason and there will always be consequence(s). Those two things bind and not only do they bind, the influence future choices. And if the consequences are great enough , they will affect someone's else's will.

But there is "freedom" in this. Can you see it?

>>514117307
>NO, incorrect logic
So an omnipotent being can't come talk to me?

>>514116603
>Did God change
No. The OT was written by man in man's attempt to describe and understand his relationship with God. (My opinion which does not represent any one else)
The OT is man's best articulation of the objective truth. As such, God chose the OT as his vessel to deliver the NT which he did personally through his work on Earth.

I provided the literal logical argument that could demonstrate the objectivity of literally any NT moral. Is that above your head?
>[Insert any NT moral] is a moral taught by God and is for man. God is good. God defined good. Ergo, [Insert any NT moral] is by definition good as far as it concerns man.
Your challenge is to demonstrate the objectivity of a NT moral. The objectivity of any NT moral is demonstrated through the logic that God established that moral. What about this do you not understand? Just say you're too fucking stupid already.

>>514117419
An omnipotent being does not want to talk you, only me.

>>514117226
Hahaha, you are a boy pussy faggot.
You are in a group of faggots that are currently trying to soft run a planet,
a Planet that belongs to the Creator and Forces of Love and Light.

Your litlle satanist faggots are pathetic.
>btw we already flushed the entity that was calling itself "satan"
>the one that catholic jesuits and various presidents were flying to meet in Antarctica

It is over , the entity that you were worshipping isn't going to help you.
You can either accept real creator now, or forever burn in hell.

>>514117508
Agin, please just demonstrate one objective moral

>>514116527
what a childish belief that you think God is bound by your will. God is sovereign, he does what he wants, when he wants, how he wants.
he has given his only Son to reveal himself to you, its up to you to stop being stubborn.

>>514116736
If a "few morals are objectively true" then there exists objective morality. Problem is the the silly folk is how do we ascertain objective morality. They don't like to admit that morality is objective because it necessities a EXTERNAL and ETERNAL moral truth, a judge, a God.

>>514117576
So an omnipotent being is unable to come talk to me directly?

>>514117541
The entity that I worship already help me

>>514117645
>They don't like to admit that morality is objective
Demonstrate one

>>514117647
He does talk to you directly, but you are cursed and don't hear it. Everyone is a sinner so it is us who aren't listening to God, not God not listening to us.

>>514117419
No, it means we have
Law of Confusion here, basically you agree to forget your previous reincarnations when you reincarnate in this 3D world.

Also, here we have the Truth field, where all true things that happened that have been recorded.
Humans in the past had full connection to the Truth field, so you can get guidance this way without being burned.
However, the Catholic vatican jesuit satanists made sure that humans don't have any connection to the Truth field.

In the mean time, do you want to talk to ants?

>>514117774
>He does talk to you directly, but you are cursed
Why would he curse me? He can't remove this "curse" to come and chat?

>>514116246
>>>If God is real
>He is
>To you
You're welcome to your hissy fit personal feelings kiddo, but they are not valid
>It's rude and arrogant to limit God to a book
That's a neat strawman you got there kiddo
>Surely an omnipotent being can come and.talk to me instead of sending geniuses like you
How is God limited to a book if he sends me?
You are very low IQ and instantly contradicted yourself

>>514117647
what makes you think you would survive it? maybe an omnipotent being knows better than you?
God once spoke to me audibly, a simple "yes". at that moment I thought the world would stop existing. I think you know what omnipotence even means.

>>514116855
>[Insert any NT moral] is a moral taught by God and is for man. God is good. God defined good. Ergo, [Insert any NT moral] is by definition good as far as it concerns man.
Replace [Insert any NT moral] with "Thou shall not murder".
>But that's OT
It's NT too. I use this for it is simple to understand.
>I came to uphold the law.
Proof ^
Will you deal with the argument provided or are you going to continue sticking your fingers in your ear, muttering "I can't hear you" like all childish atheists do.

If this does not satisfy your goalposts of "demonstration", then establish your goalpost. How would a hypothetical argument go?

>>514117366
Re read what I stated, and stop strawmanning me.

>>514117690
You are evil satanists that specialize in Bullshit,
lies,
and blocking agents of the Creator, Love and Light ,
from connecting to the Truth field on the planet.
Because you are all so high on your power over people and want to continue it.

You will all burn for eternity in hell.

>>514116965
It's not going to only imagination if you can't explain how I am wrong to rape you.

>>514117419
>So an omnipotent being can't come talk to me?
>>514117799
>No
Then he's limited and not worth my adoration and praise

>>514117859
>You're welcome to your hissy fit personal feelings kiddo
This anon speaks from personal experience lol
>>514117859
>How is God limited to a book if he sends me?
If God is omnipotent then he can come talk to me instead of sending fags like you

>>514117861
>what makes you think you would survive it?
He can't make it where I can survive? All you goons keep telling me is how limited your God really is

>>514117895
Again, please just demonstrate one objective moral

Can any of you clowns do it?

>>514117900
>and stop strawmanning me.
I didn't, you did though

Slide this horse shit off my forum thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oACc0k2xErE

Christians and Jews are the enemy of the USA, they need to suffer want to teach them that their God hasn't existed in any meaningful for over a thousand years now.

>>514118144
Lol you're retarded. Go fuck yourself nigger. What even is your point here? You're embarrassing yourself.

>>514118093
>He can't make it where I can survive?
sure, through the Holy Spirit. but for that you would have to repent, literally meaning changing the way you think.
its all outlined in the bible.

So far the Christian clown shoes ITT can't demonstrate one objective moral and they also keep telling me how limited their God really is

>>514118144
Demonstrate how you're not a cock loving faggot lmfao
You're just the same retard that can't explain why raping your boy pussy is wrong. Lmfao

>>514118203
>What even is your point here?
There is no such thing as objective morality. As you are unable to demonstrate even one

>>514118246
>>He can't make it where I can survive?
>sure
OK, I hope he shows up then.

>>514118296
You love cock in your ass lmfao rape is good because the consensus said your boy pussy feels good

>>514118378
I already did. You won't acknowledge the argument. Rebuke my argument.

>>514118336
>cock loving faggot
Here comes the homo shit now.

Try cracking open Matthew and read what Jesus said about your enemies

>>514118393
>You love cock in your ass
Lol more homo sex from this closeted Christian

>>514118418
>I already did
Nope.

>>514118378
Morality is subjective! You can't say it is wrong for me to rape your boy pussy. You literally can't. It's my preference to rape you. Utilitarianism won't save you either because the pleasure I gain from raping your boy pussy is far greater than the suffering you surely will endure. Lmao

>>514118545
>Morality is subjective!
You're inability to demonstrate otherwise seems to prove this true.

Thanks anon

>>514118545
>the pleasure I gain from raping
Christians everyone

>>514118541
You didn't. You just make the same "nuh uh I'm not listening" statement as nauseum.

Morality is necessarily external and eternal to man, and logically requires a judge.
God is a judge. God determined right from wrong.
Ergo, all commandments/teachings of this God is objective.

It's that simple. You must have a disability.

>>514118032
>>You're welcome to your hissy fit personal feelings kiddo
>This anon speaks from personal experience lol
Correct. I've personally experienced your invalid hissy fit feelings may times kiddo
Debunked 'em too.
>If God is omnipotent
He is
>then he can come talk
Correct. God can do things like talk, very big brain comment there. But that doesn't circumvent your 65 IQ strawman contradiction you made when you said God is limited to a book yet he sent me.
Try to keep up ;^)
>to me
Why do your womanly hissy fit feelings dictate that you need to talk to God directly?
That's every emotional of you. Men don't "need" to talk. Do you yes or no?

>>514118630
And raping you is right! You don't have an argument, faggot.

>>514118681
>Mocks your world view through parody
>Hurr durr that's their world view hurr
You seriously can't be this stupid.

>>514118688
>You didn't
You didn't, that's correct

Please just demonstrate one objective moral

>>514118710
>>This anon speaks from personal experience lol
>Correct
Kek done and done. Enjoy your seeth and rage over me fag

>>514118032
No, it means you and your body is limited in this 3D.
Body will just burn and won't be able to absorb high frequencies, because the overall current frequencies on Earth are currently very low and pretty negative.
>and the vatican jesuit satanists keep maintaining it low on purpose.
However you have tons of emissaries here .
You also have your Soul/ Energy being and your subconscious that record everything and remember previous incarnations.
>therefore if you can sit in a quiet place you can ask yourself and will get all answers you are looing for

>>514118805
>Literal "I know you are but what am I"
Lmao are you 6 years old?

>>514118720
>And raping you is right!
Christians everyone lol

>>514118802
>gets reduced degeneracy
Christians everyone

>>514118833
>, it means you and your body is limited
Surely God can make a change temporarily to come chat with me?

>>514118866
That's your world view lmao. You can't state that rape is wrong. Christianity says rape is wrong. You're the one who is pro rape. How are you this stupid?

>>514118841
You into kids as well?

>>514118805
>she dodges the question
Why do your womanly hissy fit feelings dictate that you need to talk to God directly?
That's every emotional of you. Men don't "need" to talk. Do you need to talk to God yes or no?

>>514118866
How can you not realize that I'm parodying your dumbass world view?

Atheism everyone. It's literally this stupid.

>>514118926
>God
>come chat with me?
Men don't "need" to talk or "chat". Do you need to talk to God yes or no?
This question scares you it seems.

>>514118932
>That's your world view lmao.
No where did I ever say or elude to it.

Instead you have gotten so angry that you LARP a strawman

Again, cracking open Matthew and read what Jesus said about your enemies

>>514118962
Lmao you lost faggot get over it

>>514118965
>womanly hissy fit feelings
This anon speaks from personal experience lol

>>514119018
Again, just demonstrate one objective moral

>>514119056
Then demonstrate that it is wrong for anyone to rape you.

Demonstrate it.

>>514118926
Sure thing buddy. Just like you want to chant with ants about philosophies .
>oh ants don't talk
>and if make ants talk they won't be able to understand Pythagoras or Socrates

>>514119128
Already did.
Demonstrate that rape is wrong.

>>514119054
>Do you need to talk to God yes or no?
Does God need my praise and adoration?

>>514119128
>she can't answer the question
Such a scared jewess

Concession accepted :^)

>>514118545
> Morality is subjective

They aren’t discussing cultural norms that dictate morality here kek, thanks for the laugh

>>514119090
Yet you've been reduced to homosexual fantasies

>>514119132
>Demonstrate it.
Do you want to be raped?

>>514119150
>Sure thing buddy.
Cool, the I await his arrival

>>514119176
>she still can't answer a simple question
The jewess is very scared of simple questions haha
Concession accepted :^)
>Does God need my praise and adoration?
No.

>>514119175
>Already did.
Nope. You've made claims which you didn't back

So again, demonstrate one objective moral please

>>514119263
>Morality is what I want. Morality is my preference.
Yes, I want to rape you and rape is okay.
Is it then wrong to rape?

>>514119206
>Such a scared jewess
You are?

>>514119355
>The jewess
You are?

>>514119394
>and rape is okay
So it's ok to rape you?

>>514119407
>she's so scared she can't even answer a simple question
lol, I win again :^)
I always do.

Cry about feelings again

>>514119475
Yes. Is it the wrong to rape?

>>514119483
I know you are but what am I?

>>514119515
>Yes
Then it's no longer rape if you're willing kek

>>514119314
Since you have 10 emmisaries here that constantly guide you ,
yet you likely don't hear them or see the signs ,
it is very unlikely.
First stop running and start hearing and seeing the signs of the lower entity emissaries that actually CAN talk to you.
>but your brain and your ego pretend to not hear.

>>514119613
Why should I care if it's wrong? Why should I care about your preference to not be raped?