Thread 514106640

Eating animals cannot be morally justified while living in a modern, developed country. We subject them to the pain and suffering in this documentary, every minute. Go vegan.

>>514106640 (OP)
Shut your trap, hippie.

>>514106640 (OP)
meat tasty
simple as

>>514106640 (OP)
>Eating animals cannot be morally justified while living in a modern, developed country.
It can actually. The feeling of empathy evolved because it offers long-term survival advantages, such as group cohesion, parental care, reciprocal altruism, predicting hehavior, etc. all of which are intraspecies interactions. It is ultimately a selfish mechanism that persisted because it benefits the species. There is no evolutionary benefit to extending this feeling outside of the species, except those that provide utility in one way or another, and said utility is more likely to persist with empathy. This is exactly why the average, well-adjusted, mentally healthy person feels empathy towards fellow humans, may feel empathy for their pets, but is absolutely indifferent to their food.

Your idea that suffering and death and inherently morally wrong is based on nothing objective, it's an entirely arbitary notion. I'd hazard it's a mere misapplication of empathy caused by either over or undersocialization.

>>514106640 (OP)
anybody else just forget what even happened in this one? i have forgetting most things though

>>514106644
https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko?si=49Kyq8f1HWCxmjCJ
Nevar forget. Worst part was that guy who beat a bunch of chicks to death then admitted he knew it was wrong

I like hamburgers though.

>>514106643
Everything you said can be refuted by simply saying
>Evolution is descriptive not prescriptive
Evolution describes what, why, how, not “should”

There are various things in modern society that we use that our bodies have not evolved quickly enough to adapt to. Such as the abundant existence of food and carbohydrates, the internet, modern medicine and so on. You cannot apply the logic of what benefits our evolutionary ancestors because 1. Evolution is not morality and 2. The environment that our ancestors evolved in is different from our modern environment

When you examine many different schools of thought, you will find that there are only a handful of them that advocate for equal treatment of out-groups in comparison to the in-group. And the ones that do are either philosophies with a big emphasis on personal and inward agency, therefore not applicable to the law-making of an entire nation, or religious in nature, in which animals are not seen as beings equal to humans. So it's up to you to explain to my why killing animals for food is wrong.

>>514106647
>Evolution is descriptive not prescriptive
That's not true though. Every single decision and thought you have in your head has been predermined by it. You cannot go against evolution even if you wanted to.
>Evolution describes what, why, how, not “should”
There is no objective "should", but following the processes that created you and proven their value over millions of years seems like as good of an idea as any.
>There are various things in modern society that we use that our bodies have not evolved quickly enough to adapt to.
And we are worse off for it in so many ways.
>Such as the abundant existence of food and carbohydrates
Which are one of the main sources of civilization diseases, that were virtually unheard of before agriculture, but now are leading causes of death worldwife.
>the internet
Which has caused uprecedented damage to group cohesion.
>modern medicine
Which also, despite its best efforts, has caused a lot of damage. Pain for example is a great diagnostic and motivational tool that has served us very well for injury prevention, but now the average person would rather ignore their back problems, signalled by back pain, through reckless use of painkillers rather than a lifestyle adjustment. Worse, medicine lessened selection pressures, which will result in worse quality of life for the coming generations.
>You cannot apply the logic of what benefits our evolutionary ancestors because 1. Evolution is not morality
Morality is a direct result of evolution. What you base your morality on has evolved because it's beneficial, not moral. I already covered this.
>The environment that our ancestors evolved in is different from our modern environment
True, but there is still no evolutionary benefit to extending empathy to food. Quite the opposite, in fact. Pretty much all nutritional studies and metanalyses point to well formulated omnivore diets, such as pescetarian, to have better health outcomes than vegan diets.

i watched this and all it did was make me hungry
>but the sad looking animals
you are a soft cityslicker or a jeet

>>514106640 (OP)
Of course it can; I don't give a fuck about the suffering of animals.

>>514106640 (OP)
It's sad and we should make their deaths as painless as possible and their lives as good as we can. But things do have to die for us to live. It's just an unfortunate aspect we have to live with. Until we can just grow brainless meat or whatever we have to kill so that we can live. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. It's just how our bodies sustain themselves. It's not much of a choice. So we should be mindful of that. Both in how much/what we consume and in how we treat the creatures we do intend to harvest. We can be more ethical about it than we are.

>lock animals in minuscule cages for their entire short lifes
>fill them up with growth hormones
>force them to eat
>kill them in the most painful way possible
An ethical treatment of animals isn't only more humane, it produces tastier and healthier food too

>>514106640 (OP)
I do not value animals as much as I value humans.

>>514106647
Not him, but I do not agree with your system of morality, therefore I don't have to justify shit.

>>514106640 (OP)
>We subject them to the pain and suffering in this documentary

that's horrible, why don't they get prosecuted

Why have been getting so many Dominion threads lately?

>jews
>niggers
>women
>vegans
Reminder that these groups of people are categorically evil and wrong and hating them is as natural as breathing

>>514106658
>Why have we been getting so many Superman threads lately?
>Why have we been getting so many Korean threads lately?
>Why have we been getting so many South Park threads lately?
Answers those questions first.

>>514106659
add animals too, dumb fucking things. Oh and all plants except those cacti with mescaline in them

>>514106640 (OP)
we should eat vegetarians instead.

>>514106660
you mean stop killing them?

>>514106640 (OP)
i can morally justify it because i'm a carnivore. all humans with neanderthal DNA are carnivores.

>>514106643
>There is no evolutionary benefit to extending this feeling outside of the species,
can someone please explain this to my fellow whites?

>>514106640 (OP)
I'm going to eat you

kek, why did you faggot ass tranny jannies move this to /pol/
is this /tv/? /tv/ jannies fucked up now

>>514106647
He described how they evolved and then what we should do with them.
He did not argue what evolution should do.
Ridiculous strawman.
Imagine applying your argument to someone having their appendix removed.

>>514110466
Jannies have been having meltdowns lately and reporting people to the feds for disagreeing with them.

>>514106640 (OP)
Another childish Vegan snuff film? You need to grow up and face the hard facts of life - LIFE EATS LIFE. Vegans are pathetic weak minded scum who have to gross themselves out with horror films of animals being killed in order to stay on their miserable diet. By the way, you aren't changing anything. You aren't "saving" any animals. Billlions of animals are bred and slaughtered every year and it will all continue whether you eat meat or not. If the meat industry collapsed today people would hunt and kill the Wildlife so you are really just choosing to "save" farm animals over Wildlife. Your Veganism is nothing more than a manifestation of your own sense of self importance and your childish "change the world" syndrome.

>>514106640 (OP)
who else is eating veal after seeing that baby cow??

>>514106640 (OP)
>Eating animals cannot be morally justified
There are no morals in nature. Death sustains life. We are part of nature and we eat dead animals, in order to thrive.

As a species, we are carrion eaters, with a gastric juice pH of 1.5 - more acidic than that of wolves and vultures, because we can eat older carrion, with a higher bacterial load.

>Go vegan.
Go fuck yourself, with your elective malnutrition, and remember to do a flip.

>>514106640 (OP)
Rules of Nature

>>514106640 (OP)
Quick question veggielover
Is there a hierarchy to living animals? say is life of a cow = to a chicken?
Lets say you HAD to feed someone meat
Would be it morally better to kill 1 cow or 100 chikens?